What Makes Poor People Poor? - Special Segment

[Tommy Tainant]

Yes, that is correct. The only deductions will be 25k for individual filings and 50k for joint filings. No exceptions.

But see, when I look at Europe, and the most recently France, this system of attacking the rich, under the theory it helps the poor..... doesn't play out.

This entire time you are chatting back and fourth on how much money can we soak the rich for.... but when has that ever worked throughout all the world, and all history? Never.

France has spent decades now, trying to soak the rich. It hasn't made things better for the poor. That's why the poor have been burning down France.

France Rang In The New Year Under A Cloud Of Heavy Security

You can't tax your country into prosperity. You can only tax your country into poverty. No matter how much you talk about how you'll make the wealthy pay this tax, or that tax, or some other tax, it will never work. It never has. It never will.

I am not suggesting we should. I am suggesting that we should be fiscally responsible. The best way to accomplish that is to set the tax rate to the rate necessary to balance the budget and make all people share the burden proportionately. Overnight there would be a change.

I agree with what you wrote.

Impossible. There is no tax level high enough to fix socialism.

As long as we have a socialized system of health care and pensions in place, taxes will have to increase continually until the country implodes. It is impossible to find the magic tax rate that will balance the budget.

If you doubt that... again just look at Europe. All of Europe. Most of Europe has been protected by the US. Norway, like all European countries, has drastically higher taxes. Most people, even lower-middle class, lose 50% of their income in taxes.

And yet they are running a deficit. France is running a deficit. Japan is running a deficit.

They have nearly double our average tax rate, and are all running a deficit.

So this idea that we just need to increase taxes until we can afford socialism... is never going to work. Soon we'll be paying $8/gallon for gas, like France does. All to pay for the free stuff everyone wants. Then when it destroys the middle class, like in France, people will be burning down the country.

If you want to balance the budget, the solution is to reform entitlements. We need to privatize social security, and eliminate socialized health care. If we do that, the budget will balance without us doing anything with taxes.

Petrol in France is $5.50 a gallon not $8.

Gas prices change by the minute. And I do see sites saying what you posted. Gas prices have gone down around the world, since I posted that.

Gas Prices in Paris

Petrol price in Paris is €1.57 per liter. X 3.8, equals €5.96 per US gallon. €5.96 = $6.79.

So almost $7 per gallon. I just filled up for $1.87 per gallon.

So even now, it's not that far off from what I said. More importantly, the difference in cost is what I was getting at. If we had the same socialized systems in place that France does, I guarantee our gas prices would be like theirs.

There is a bit of a difference between your lying $8 a gallon and any reality. When was it $8 a gallon you lying twat ?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

The issue is that we live in a post industrial society and we havent figured out how to look after people who dont fit in.

I can't think of a single society in all human history, that did look after people who didn't fit in. It's part of the human experience to find a way to fit into society. Not societies job to fit you.

Why do you look backwards for examples ? Why not look forwards ?

 

[Papageorgio]

Then why did you say you lied?

it takes morals to bear the truest witness.

Then why do you lie? You admitted to it, lying is not moral, so are you now saying you are immoral?

who lies the most.

Apparently you, at least that is your claim.

the biggest liars claim that the most.

You are the one claiming to cure all poverty.

 

[Papageorgio]

Again, you can't answer simple questions? Why does the rich as you claim, benefit most from the tax cuts?

because it is being financed on the Peoples' dime. U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

That doesn't answer the question, how does growing the debt help the rich?

How does the rich benefit most by the tax cuts? It should be an easy answer from a guy that claims to know economics so well.

Government is being financed not being paid for. Tax cuts means we need to finance more more government while the rich get richer financing less of it.

Why won't you answer my question? It is pretty easy for a man that claims to know simple economics.

How does the rich benefit the most from tax cuts?

we are not cutting spending; all of that cost is being added to the Debt of the People. The rich were paying more for their government services.

If the rich are paying more for government services how are the rich benefiting the most from tax cuts?

 

[Papageorgio]

The issue is that we live in a post industrial society and we havent figured out how to look after people who dont fit in.

I can't think of a single society in all human history, that did look after people who didn't fit in. It's part of the human experience to find a way to fit into society. Not societies job to fit you.

Why do you look backwards for examples ? Why not look forwards ?

What society in the future has solved the problem?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

The issue is that we live in a post industrial society and we havent figured out how to look after people who dont fit in.

I can't think of a single society in all human history, that did look after people who didn't fit in. It's part of the human experience to find a way to fit into society. Not societies job to fit you.

Why do you look backwards for examples ? Why not look forwards ?

What society in the future has solved the problem?

It wont be a conservative society I guess.

 

[Papageorgio]

The issue is that we live in a post industrial society and we havent figured out how to look after people who dont fit in.

I can't think of a single society in all human history, that did look after people who didn't fit in. It's part of the human experience to find a way to fit into society. Not societies job to fit you.

Why do you look backwards for examples ? Why not look forwards ?

What society in the future has solved the problem?

It wont be a conservative society I guess.

So far it hasn't been a liberal society either.

 

[danielpalos]

You are the so called genius and you made the claim, so you explain why giving $100-$400 an hour would be good. You would get a lot more tax revenue and it would create more demand, according to you. Why not $1000 an hour?

we don't need that much tax money and we should focus what we grow our economy on.

Look at the demand, it will increase so much that we will be flourishing in wealth and we could end poverty, isn't that your goal?

sorry but there is no way to end poverty

lol. only the right wing has no solutions. the left already knows we can end simple poverty on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States.

whats simple poverty???

that which we can solve with mere money.

 

[danielpalos]

it takes morals to bear the truest witness.

Then why do you lie? You admitted to it, lying is not moral, so are you now saying you are immoral?

who lies the most.

Apparently you, at least that is your claim.

the biggest liars claim that the most.

You are the one claiming to cure all poverty.

simple poverty; we will still need means tested welfare for the rest.

 

[danielpalos]

because it is being financed on the Peoples' dime. U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

That doesn't answer the question, how does growing the debt help the rich?

How does the rich benefit most by the tax cuts? It should be an easy answer from a guy that claims to know economics so well.

Government is being financed not being paid for. Tax cuts means we need to finance more more government while the rich get richer financing less of it.

Why won't you answer my question? It is pretty easy for a man that claims to know simple economics.

How does the rich benefit the most from tax cuts?

we are not cutting spending; all of that cost is being added to the Debt of the People. The rich were paying more for their government services.

If the rich are paying more for government services how are the rich benefiting the most from tax cuts?

Government is being financed more, now; so the rich can get richer faster.

 

[progressive hunter]

we don't need that much tax money and we should focus what we grow our economy on.

Look at the demand, it will increase so much that we will be flourishing in wealth and we could end poverty, isn't that your goal?

sorry but there is no way to end poverty

lol. only the right wing has no solutions. the left already knows we can end simple poverty on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States.

whats simple poverty???

that which we can solve with mere money.

most times money causes more problems than it solves,,,more so if the money is stolen

 

[progressive hunter]

That doesn't answer the question, how does growing the debt help the rich?

How does the rich benefit most by the tax cuts? It should be an easy answer from a guy that claims to know economics so well.

Government is being financed not being paid for. Tax cuts means we need to finance more more government while the rich get richer financing less of it.

Why won't you answer my question? It is pretty easy for a man that claims to know simple economics.

How does the rich benefit the most from tax cuts?

we are not cutting spending; all of that cost is being added to the Debt of the People. The rich were paying more for their government services.

If the rich are paying more for government services how are the rich benefiting the most from tax cuts?

Government is being financed more, now; so the rich can get richer faster.

how does that work???

and whats wrong with people getting richer??? rich people create jobs for the poor dont they??

thought you wanted to end poverty??

 

[Papageorgio]

Then why do you lie? You admitted to it, lying is not moral, so are you now saying you are immoral?

who lies the most.

Apparently you, at least that is your claim.

the biggest liars claim that the most.

You are the one claiming to cure all poverty.

simple poverty; we will still need means tested welfare for the rest.

Changing the subject? The proof of your lives too much?

 

[danielpalos]

Look at the demand, it will increase so much that we will be flourishing in wealth and we could end poverty, isn't that your goal?

sorry but there is no way to end poverty

lol. only the right wing has no solutions. the left already knows we can end simple poverty on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States.

whats simple poverty???

that which we can solve with mere money.

most times money causes more problems than it solves,,,more so if the money is stolen

we subscribe to capitalism and the institution of money based markets; why distort markets and then blame the Poor.

 

[danielpalos]

Government is being financed not being paid for. Tax cuts means we need to finance more more government while the rich get richer financing less of it.

Why won't you answer my question? It is pretty easy for a man that claims to know simple economics.

How does the rich benefit the most from tax cuts?

we are not cutting spending; all of that cost is being added to the Debt of the People. The rich were paying more for their government services.

If the rich are paying more for government services how are the rich benefiting the most from tax cuts?

Government is being financed more, now; so the rich can get richer faster.

how does that work???

and whats wrong with people getting richer??? rich people create jobs for the poor dont they??

thought you wanted to end poverty??

here is what the right wing is advocating helping the rich get richer faster for:

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

 

[danielpalos]

who lies the most.

Apparently you, at least that is your claim.

the biggest liars claim that the most.

You are the one claiming to cure all poverty.

simple poverty; we will still need means tested welfare for the rest.

Changing the subject? The proof of your lives too much?

I have a consistent argument; unlike the right wing.

 

[progressive hunter]

Why won't you answer my question? It is pretty easy for a man that claims to know simple economics.

How does the rich benefit the most from tax cuts?

we are not cutting spending; all of that cost is being added to the Debt of the People. The rich were paying more for their government services.

If the rich are paying more for government services how are the rich benefiting the most from tax cuts?

Government is being financed more, now; so the rich can get richer faster.

how does that work???

and whats wrong with people getting richer??? rich people create jobs for the poor dont they??

thought you wanted to end poverty??

here is what the right wing is advocating helping the rich get richer faster for:

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

but rich people create jobs, a least I never worked for a poor guy

and its not like most are stealing it like the poor do

 

[Papageorgio]

That doesn't answer the question, how does growing the debt help the rich?

How does the rich benefit most by the tax cuts? It should be an easy answer from a guy that claims to know economics so well.

Government is being financed not being paid for. Tax cuts means we need to finance more more government while the rich get richer financing less of it.

Why won't you answer my question? It is pretty easy for a man that claims to know simple economics.

How does the rich benefit the most from tax cuts?

we are not cutting spending; all of that cost is being added to the Debt of the People. The rich were paying more for their government services.

If the rich are paying more for government services how are the rich benefiting the most from tax cuts?

Government is being financed more, now; so the rich can get richer faster.

Why won’t you answer the simple question? Are you afraid of the answer, dishonest or dumb? You made a statement and refuse to answer?

 

[progressive hunter]

Apparently you, at least that is your claim.

the biggest liars claim that the most.

You are the one claiming to cure all poverty.

simple poverty; we will still need means tested welfare for the rest.

Changing the subject? The proof of your lives too much?

I have a consistent argument; unlike the right wing.

it may be consistent but it is also incoherent and repetitive at time

 

[Papageorgio]

Apparently you, at least that is your claim.

the biggest liars claim that the most.

You are the one claiming to cure all poverty.

simple poverty; we will still need means tested welfare for the rest.

Changing the subject? The proof of your lives too much?

I have a consistent argument; unlike the right wing.

You answer no questions, you are a fraud and liar.