What Makes Poor People Poor? - Special Segment

[Papageorgio]

You still have no answers?

how fast do we want to grow our economy?

let the economy and the people decide that by using the free market

any government involvement stops that from happening and as history tells us makes things worse

we have a command economy; Congress commands fiscal policy and the Fed commands monetary policy.

thats separate from the economy

no, it isn't.

Yes it is.

 

[danielpalos]

how fast do we want to grow our economy?

let the economy and the people decide that by using the free market

any government involvement stops that from happening and as history tells us makes things worse

we have a command economy; Congress commands fiscal policy and the Fed commands monetary policy.

thats separate from the economy

no, it isn't.

yes it is

it can't be separate from the economy.

 

[danielpalos]

how fast do we want to grow our economy?

let the economy and the people decide that by using the free market

any government involvement stops that from happening and as history tells us makes things worse

we have a command economy; Congress commands fiscal policy and the Fed commands monetary policy.

thats separate from the economy

no, it isn't.

Yes it is.

nobody takes the right wing seriously about economics.

 

[progressive hunter]

let the economy and the people decide that by using the free market

any government involvement stops that from happening and as history tells us makes things worse

we have a command economy; Congress commands fiscal policy and the Fed commands monetary policy.

thats separate from the economy

no, it isn't.

yes it is

it can't be separate from the economy.

the economy is people working together,,government policy is what stopss or restricts them

 

[Papageorgio]

let the economy and the people decide that by using the free market

any government involvement stops that from happening and as history tells us makes things worse

we have a command economy; Congress commands fiscal policy and the Fed commands monetary policy.

thats separate from the economy

no, it isn't.

Yes it is.

nobody takes the right wing seriously about economics.

Wrong again, no one takes you seriously about economics, the more you post the less respect everyone has about your knowledge of economics.

 

[Ame®icano]

You think those loopholes won’t be there at 25 percent?

Yes, that is correct. The only deductions will be 25k for individual filings and 50k for joint filings. No exceptions.

But see, when I look at Europe, and the most recently France, this system of attacking the rich, under the theory it helps the poor..... doesn't play out.

This entire time you are chatting back and fourth on how much money can we soak the rich for.... but when has that ever worked throughout all the world, and all history? Never.

France has spent decades now, trying to soak the rich. It hasn't made things better for the poor. That's why the poor have been burning down France.

France Rang In The New Year Under A Cloud Of Heavy Security

You can't tax your country into prosperity. You can only tax your country into poverty. No matter how much you talk about how you'll make the wealthy pay this tax, or that tax, or some other tax, it will never work. It never has. It never will.

I am not suggesting we should. I am suggesting that we should be fiscally responsible. The best way to accomplish that is to set the tax rate to the rate necessary to balance the budget and make all people share the burden proportionately. Overnight there would be a change.

I agree with what you wrote.

Impossible. There is no tax level high enough to fix socialism.

As long as we have a socialized system of health care and pensions in place, taxes will have to increase continually until the country implodes. It is impossible to find the magic tax rate that will balance the budget.

If you doubt that... again just look at Europe. All of Europe. Most of Europe has been protected by the US. Norway, like all European countries, has drastically higher taxes. Most people, even lower-middle class, lose 50% of their income in taxes.

And yet they are running a deficit. France is running a deficit. Japan is running a deficit.

They have nearly double our average tax rate, and are all running a deficit.

So this idea that we just need to increase taxes until we can afford socialism... is never going to work. Soon we'll be paying $8/gallon for gas, like France does. All to pay for the free stuff everyone wants. Then when it destroys the middle class, like in France, people will be burning down the country.

If you want to balance the budget, the solution is to reform entitlements. We need to privatize social security, and eliminate socialized health care. If we do that, the budget will balance without us doing anything with taxes.

Petrol in France is $5.50 a gallon not $8.

Nope.

France Gasoline prices, US Gallon

 

[Ame®icano]

how does that work???

and whats wrong with people getting richer??? rich people create jobs for the poor dont they??

thought you wanted to end poverty??

Our Latino commie danielpalos is preaching what every successful Latino dictator is practicing.

Oh, sorry, have I said successful?

 

[Ame®icano]

Apparently you, at least that is your claim.

the biggest liars claim that the most.

You are the one claiming to cure all poverty.

simple poverty; we will still need means tested welfare for the rest.

Changing the subject? The proof of your lives too much?

I have a consistent argument; unlike the right wing.

Consistently flawed.

 

[Ame®icano]

You are the one claiming to cure all poverty.

simple poverty; we will still need means tested welfare for the rest.

Changing the subject? The proof of your lives too much?

I have a consistent argument; unlike the right wing.

You answer no questions, you are a fraud and liar.

i already answered your questions. or your questions are irrelevant. you simply don't understand the concepts.

No, you haven't. You ignored every single one he asked.

You did reply to his post with some random gibberish completely unrelated to his questions.

 

[rightwinger]

If your parents were poor, there is a better than average chance you will be poor

If your parents were wealthy, there is very little chance you will end up poor

 

[EverCurious]

If your parents were poor, there is a better than average chance you will be poor

If your parents were wealthy, there is very little chance you will end up poor

True, because of the life and spending lessons that those wealthy parents teach their kids.

My children will have money because I've taught them the "values" that are necessary for them to make money. In fact, I've taught them to make money for their great grand children. My kids will work their balls off because that is their /responsibility/ to their family, and to our family legacy.

Millions of poor folks get out of the welfare/socialist mentality and learn to earn for their futures. You lefties are enablists, and of the worst kind too, because you don't only fuck over the wealth prospects of the individual, but their entire bloodline, their kids, their grand kids. Generations of families fucked out of getting out because you'd rather throw money down the pit hole of greed and "easy living" than teach folks to earn, save, and be responsible, for themselves, and their families.

 

[ding]

If your parents were poor, there is a better than average chance you will be poor

If your parents were wealthy, there is very little chance you will end up poor

You ARE a fatalist.

 

[EverCurious]

If your parents were poor, there is a better than average chance you will be poor

If your parents were wealthy, there is very little chance you will end up poor

You ARE a fatalist.

Pessimist, yes.

The Neural Basis of Optimism and Pessimism

"A general belief about one's ability or inability to control important aspects of life is a crucial element that determines a person's attitude. Those who believe that events in their lives are controlled by outside forces (i.e. external locus-of-control) see themselves as relatively passive agents. Success and achievements occur, in their view, mainly due to luck, chance, affiliation with powerful people or institutions etc. The probability of a person succeeding by his own actions and efforts is very low, in their opinion. This fatalistic view is at the core of pessimism. In contrast, the optimists view themselves as active agents, feel that they are the masters of their destinies (i.e. internal locus-of-control), and trust their ability to influence their environment as well as social relationships."

 

[danielpalos]

we have a command economy; Congress commands fiscal policy and the Fed commands monetary policy.

thats separate from the economy

no, it isn't.

yes it is

it can't be separate from the economy.

the economy is people working together,,government policy is what stopss or restricts them

We have a Command Economy. Congress commands fiscal policy and the Fed commands monetary policy.

 

[danielpalos]

we have a command economy; Congress commands fiscal policy and the Fed commands monetary policy.

thats separate from the economy

no, it isn't.

Yes it is.

nobody takes the right wing seriously about economics.

Wrong again, no one takes you seriously about economics, the more you post the less respect everyone has about your knowledge of economics.

i resort to the fewest fallacies; only the liars say that.

 

[danielpalos]

how does that work???

and whats wrong with people getting richer??? rich people create jobs for the poor dont they??

thought you wanted to end poverty??

Our Latino commie danielpalos is preaching what every successful Latino dictator is practicing.

Oh, sorry, have I said successful?

lol. the right wing preaching fiscal responsibility with Tax Cut economics. how droll.

 

[progressive hunter]

how does that work???

and whats wrong with people getting richer??? rich people create jobs for the poor dont they??

thought you wanted to end poverty??

Our Latino commie danielpalos is preaching what every successful Latino dictator is practicing.

Oh, sorry, have I said successful?

lol. the right wing preaching fiscal responsibility with Tax Cut economics. how droll.

taxs and the economy are two different things,,,and neither has anything to do with poverty

 

[progressive hunter]

thats separate from the economy

no, it isn't.

yes it is

it can't be separate from the economy.

the economy is people working together,,government policy is what stopss or restricts them

We have a Command Economy. Congress commands fiscal policy and the Fed commands monetary policy.

youre repeating yourself

 

[danielpalos]

the biggest liars claim that the most.

You are the one claiming to cure all poverty.

simple poverty; we will still need means tested welfare for the rest.

Changing the subject? The proof of your lives too much?

I have a consistent argument; unlike the right wing.

Consistently flawed.

anybody can talk. you have yet to prove your claim with Any valid argument.

 

[danielpalos]

simple poverty; we will still need means tested welfare for the rest.

Changing the subject? The proof of your lives too much?

I have a consistent argument; unlike the right wing.

You answer no questions, you are a fraud and liar.

i already answered your questions. or your questions are irrelevant. you simply don't understand the concepts.

No, you haven't. You ignored every single one he asked.

You did reply to his post with some random gibberish completely unrelated to his questions.

you have to understand economics not make excuses. There is no provision for Excuses in our federal doctrine.