What Makes Poor People Poor? - Special Segment

[danielpalos]

no, you don't.

The Socialist Phenomenon by Igor Shafarevich

We can correct for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States. The right wing doesn't like it, Because the Poor may benefit.

Why don't you go try that in Beanerland? And I don't mean L.A.

Only the right wing prefers to lose money on public policies and whine about taxes.

maybe thats because hey arent socialist dupes

socialism on a national basis is all they know.

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

 

[progressive hunter]

The Socialist Phenomenon by Igor Shafarevich

We can correct for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States. The right wing doesn't like it, Because the Poor may benefit.

Why don't you go try that in Beanerland? And I don't mean L.A.

Only the right wing prefers to lose money on public policies and whine about taxes.

maybe thats because hey arent socialist dupes

socialism on a national basis is all they know.

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

both parties are socialist and neither cares about the constitution

 

[Taz]

I know enough to know bullshit when I see it.

no, you don't.

The Socialist Phenomenon by Igor Shafarevich

We can correct for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States. The right wing doesn't like it, Because the Poor may benefit.

Why don't you go try that in Beanerland? And I don't mean L.A.

Only the right wing prefers to lose money on public policies and whine about taxes.

You don’t pay taxes. amirite or AMIRITE?

 

[sparky]

I believe i give the feds, state & local municipality enough blood $$$, it's what 'we' get in return for it that is important.

For ex., if you're in biz ,and i've been in biz a long time, one wants a level playing field

THAT is a debate worthy of those objective/subjective enough

~S~

 

[danielpalos]

We can correct for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States. The right wing doesn't like it, Because the Poor may benefit.

Why don't you go try that in Beanerland? And I don't mean L.A.

Only the right wing prefers to lose money on public policies and whine about taxes.

maybe thats because hey arent socialist dupes

socialism on a national basis is all they know.

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

both parties are socialist and neither cares about the constitution

the right wing doesn't understand our Constitution.

 

[progressive hunter]

Why don't you go try that in Beanerland? And I don't mean L.A.

Only the right wing prefers to lose money on public policies and whine about taxes.

maybe thats because hey arent socialist dupes

socialism on a national basis is all they know.

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

both parties are socialist and neither cares about the constitution

the right wing doesn't understand our Constitution.

no more than the left does,,both twist it to their advantage

 

[danielpalos]

no, you don't.

The Socialist Phenomenon by Igor Shafarevich

We can correct for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States. The right wing doesn't like it, Because the Poor may benefit.

Why don't you go try that in Beanerland? And I don't mean L.A.

Only the right wing prefers to lose money on public policies and whine about taxes.

You don’t pay taxes. amirite or AMIRITE?

I only pay the taxes i am legally obligated to pay.

 

[Taz]

Why don't you go try that in Beanerland? And I don't mean L.A.

Only the right wing prefers to lose money on public policies and whine about taxes.

maybe thats because hey arent socialist dupes

socialism on a national basis is all they know.

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

both parties are socialist and neither cares about the constitution

the right wing doesn't understand our Constitution.

Because they don't care about Guatemala's Constitution.

 

[Taz]

The Socialist Phenomenon by Igor Shafarevich

We can correct for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States. The right wing doesn't like it, Because the Poor may benefit.

Why don't you go try that in Beanerland? And I don't mean L.A.

Only the right wing prefers to lose money on public policies and whine about taxes.

You don’t pay taxes. amirite or AMIRITE?

I only pay the taxes i am legally obligated to pay.

So since you're illegal, that's none.

 

[progressive hunter]

Only the right wing prefers to lose money on public policies and whine about taxes.

maybe thats because hey arent socialist dupes

socialism on a national basis is all they know.

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

both parties are socialist and neither cares about the constitution

the right wing doesn't understand our Constitution.

Because they don't care about Guatemala's Constitution.

wasnt talking about them

 

[progressive hunter]

We can correct for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States. The right wing doesn't like it, Because the Poor may benefit.

Why don't you go try that in Beanerland? And I don't mean L.A.

Only the right wing prefers to lose money on public policies and whine about taxes.

You don’t pay taxes. amirite or AMIRITE?

I only pay the taxes i am legally obligated to pay.

So since you're illegal, that's none.

even illegals are required to pay taxs

 

[danielpalos]

Only the right wing prefers to lose money on public policies and whine about taxes.

maybe thats because hey arent socialist dupes

socialism on a national basis is all they know.

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

both parties are socialist and neither cares about the constitution

the right wing doesn't understand our Constitution.

no more than the left does,,both twist it to their advantage

they literally don't understand the language of our Constitution.

 

[Andylusion]

You think those loopholes won’t be there at 25 percent?

Yes, that is correct. The only deductions will be 25k for individual filings and 50k for joint filings. No exceptions.

But see, when I look at Europe, and the most recently France, this system of attacking the rich, under the theory it helps the poor..... doesn't play out.

This entire time you are chatting back and fourth on how much money can we soak the rich for.... but when has that ever worked throughout all the world, and all history? Never.

France has spent decades now, trying to soak the rich. It hasn't made things better for the poor. That's why the poor have been burning down France.

France Rang In The New Year Under A Cloud Of Heavy Security

You can't tax your country into prosperity. You can only tax your country into poverty. No matter how much you talk about how you'll make the wealthy pay this tax, or that tax, or some other tax, it will never work. It never has. It never will.

I am not suggesting we should. I am suggesting that we should be fiscally responsible. The best way to accomplish that is to set the tax rate to the rate necessary to balance the budget and make all people share the burden proportionately. Overnight there would be a change.

I agree with what you wrote.

Impossible. There is no tax level high enough to fix socialism.

As long as we have a socialized system of health care and pensions in place, taxes will have to increase continually until the country implodes. It is impossible to find the magic tax rate that will balance the budget.

If you doubt that... again just look at Europe. All of Europe. Most of Europe has been protected by the US. Norway, like all European countries, has drastically higher taxes. Most people, even lower-middle class, lose 50% of their income in taxes.

And yet they are running a deficit. France is running a deficit. Japan is running a deficit.

They have nearly double our average tax rate, and are all running a deficit.

So this idea that we just need to increase taxes until we can afford socialism... is never going to work. Soon we'll be paying $8/gallon for gas, like France does. All to pay for the free stuff everyone wants. Then when it destroys the middle class, like in France, people will be burning down the country.

If you want to balance the budget, the solution is to reform entitlements. We need to privatize social security, and eliminate socialized health care. If we do that, the budget will balance without us doing anything with taxes.

County governments set their tax rates equal to the budget. That’s what I propose the federal government do.

I'd have a hard time naming one that succeeding in doing that. Which OECD country would you point to that has a tax rate that matches their budget.
Be sure to provide proof of a balanced budget.

 

[danielpalos]

Only the right wing prefers to lose money on public policies and whine about taxes.

maybe thats because hey arent socialist dupes

socialism on a national basis is all they know.

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

both parties are socialist and neither cares about the constitution

the right wing doesn't understand our Constitution.

Because they don't care about Guatemala's Constitution.

appealing to ignorance is what the right wing is best at.

 

[danielpalos]

We can correct for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States. The right wing doesn't like it, Because the Poor may benefit.

Why don't you go try that in Beanerland? And I don't mean L.A.

Only the right wing prefers to lose money on public policies and whine about taxes.

You don’t pay taxes. amirite or AMIRITE?

I only pay the taxes i am legally obligated to pay.

So since you're illegal, that's none.

i must be more legal than you, I am American and have a better argument at lower cost.

 

[progressive hunter]

maybe thats because hey arent socialist dupes

socialism on a national basis is all they know.

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

both parties are socialist and neither cares about the constitution

the right wing doesn't understand our Constitution.

Because they don't care about Guatemala's Constitution.

appealing to ignorance is what the right wing is best at.

ignorance of what???

 

[Andylusion]

Are you willing to pay a 25% flat tax without deductions. I am. But you aren’t and neither are the ultra wealthy.

Of course not. That is one of the stupidest tax plans ever envisioned

Drop a billionaire from 37 percent to 25 percent and call it even?
Raise the rate to 25 percent for someone making $20,000 a year and call it fair?

First of all it’s a sliding scale secondly with all of the loopholes and deductions he probably pays a lower effective rate than a couple earning 300k jointly.

You think those loopholes won’t be there at 25 percent?

Yes, that is correct. The only deductions will be 25k for individual filings and 50k for joint filings. No exceptions.

Yea....like that is going to happen

The Golden Rule.......He who has the gold makes the rules

As soon as the wealthy get their 25 percent tax rate, they will demand legislation that starts........If you give us this deduction, it will create jobs

Then why didn't they demand those deductions prior to FDR? Because FDR is who raised taxes so high, that deductions were required to avoid a total destruction of the economy.

By the way, do you know who was first to lobby government, and get deductions?

 

[Andylusion]

People are poor because they don't have enough money.

THREAD CLOSED.

But how much money is enough, is entirely dependent on how you live.

I had a year where I earned $12,000 in taxable income. I not only survived, but I had enough money.

 

[progressive hunter]

maybe thats because hey arent socialist dupes

socialism on a national basis is all they know.

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

both parties are socialist and neither cares about the constitution

the right wing doesn't understand our Constitution.

no more than the left does,,both twist it to their advantage

they literally don't understand the language of our Constitution.

correct, neither party understands it,,,or more correctly they just dont care

 

[Andylusion]

First of all it’s a sliding scale secondly with all of the loopholes and deductions he probably pays a lower effective rate than a couple earning 300k jointly.

You think those loopholes won’t be there at 25 percent?

Yes, that is correct. The only deductions will be 25k for individual filings and 50k for joint filings. No exceptions.

Yea....like that is going to happen

The Golden Rule.......He who has the gold makes the rules

As soon as the wealthy get their 25 percent tax rate, they will demand legislation that starts........If you give us this deduction, it will create jobs

It’s the only solution that will make a material difference.

Makes sense to billionaires

Simple math. Give billionaires a significant tax cut, who makes up the difference?

You cut government spending. No one makes up any difference.