What NO one mentions regarding HC.....

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There are 5 factors that NO politicians wants to talk about regarding the ridiculous cost of health care in this country, and why costs of premiums and co-pays keep on going skyward while millions of people go without insurance...bearing in mind that our health care system is NOT the best (the propaganda tries to make us think it is THE best) and that we lag far behind other countries in longevity and morbidity rates.

The first factor is the ridiculous cost of HC premiums, while CEOs of insurance companies' salaries hover at more than $1 MILLION per week, and throw money at politicians to keep Medicare for all a "fantasy".

The second factor is the equally ridiculous cost of a hospital stay for any individual who is also at risk on contracting diseases during that hospital stay. Some for profit hospitals import Italian marble for their lobbies, while ripping off both the insurance companies and clients.

The third factor is the robbery that most of us have to endure for medication. Big pharma has become the equivalent of legalized drug pushers, charging outrageous payments for needed medicines. In some cases, the return of profit on a single pill is beyond 5,000%. Bear in mind that R & D for some of these drugs is performed by the National Institute of Health that is already funded by taxpayers' dollars. A huge amount of money spent by big pharma is not for R & D...but for marketing (which also benefit TV stations and printed advertisement.)

The fourth boils down to (not for all) the amazing salaries that some doctors demand for their service, regardless of the oath they've taken to perform their services. If a doctor wants to become really wealthy, then the U.S. is their venue.....and we will never see any physician on food stamps like the millions of patients.

Finally the fifth factor (and I must admit that SOME politicians have addressed this point) is the high cost for doctors of liability insurance, which rain-making law firms want to keep from being outlawed because of the amazing profits realized by these law firms. We waste billions on these un-capped law suits that jack-up costs which eventually become the burden of the patients.

If we want to join the rest of the civilized world when it comes to HC, the above factors and issues must be addressed by brave politicians who should dedicate their lives to serve constituents and NOT just worrying about their re-election chances.
 
Many of the people who will lose coverage under a revised plan will lose it due to high costs of premiums. Doctors have huge educational debt these days. That along with malpractice insurance makes it not as profitable as it was. I suppose you could limit drug companies on advertising. I really think it is wrong to approach patients who don't have medical knowledge telling their doctors what medication to provide. Compared to what money flows through an insurance company. CEO salaries are not a big factor. We pay baseball players even more than that.
 
Health care is the one industry where you go to get service and NO ONE can tell you what the cost will be !? What's up with that ?
 
There are 5 factors that NO politicians wants to talk about regarding the ridiculous cost of health care in this country, and why costs of premiums and co-pays keep on going skyward while millions of people go without insurance...bearing in mind that our health care system is NOT the best (the propaganda tries to make us think it is THE best) and that we lag far behind other countries in longevity and morbidity rates.

The first factor is the ridiculous cost of HC premiums, while CEOs of insurance companies' salaries hover at more than $1 MILLION per week, and throw money at politicians to keep Medicare for all a "fantasy".

The second factor is the equally ridiculous cost of a hospital stay for any individual who is also at risk on contracting diseases during that hospital stay. Some for profit hospitals import Italian marble for their lobbies, while ripping off both the insurance companies and clients.

The third factor is the robbery that most of us have to endure for medication. Big pharma has become the equivalent of legalized drug pushers, charging outrageous payments for needed medicines. In some cases, the return of profit on a single pill is beyond 5,000%. Bear in mind that R & D for some of these drugs is performed by the National Institute of Health that is already funded by taxpayers' dollars. A huge amount of money spent by big pharma is not for R & D...but for marketing (which also benefit TV stations and printed advertisement.)

The fourth boils down to (not for all) the amazing salaries that some doctors demand for their service, regardless of the oath they've taken to perform their services. If a doctor wants to become really wealthy, then the U.S. is their venue.....and we will never see any physician on food stamps like the millions of patients.

Finally the fifth factor (and I must admit that SOME politicians have addressed this point) is the high cost for doctors of liability insurance, which rain-making law firms want to keep from being outlawed because of the amazing profits realized by these law firms. We waste billions on these un-capped law suits that jack-up costs which eventually become the burden of the patients.

If we want to join the rest of the civilized world when it comes to HC, the above factors and issues must be addressed by brave politicians who should dedicate their lives to serve constituents and NOT just worrying about their re-election chances.
Good thing we have the government to make sure you don't have a choice in what insurance you want to buy.
 
Singapore has a good model.

Each state should consider it.

The federal government should stay out of it.
 
Health care is the one industry where you go to get service and NO ONE can tell you what the cost will be !? What's up with that ?

Probably because in many instances they don't really know what's wrong with you. Go to a mechanic and tell them your car keeps stalling.. you'll get a cost for diagnostics, but not for repairs until they know what is wrong.
 
Many of the people who will lose coverage under a revised plan will lose it due to high costs of premiums. Doctors have huge educational debt these days. That along with malpractice insurance makes it not as profitable as it was. I suppose you could limit drug companies on advertising. I really think it is wrong to approach patients who don't have medical knowledge telling their doctors what medication to provide. Compared to what money flows through an insurance company. CEO salaries are not a big factor. We pay baseball players even more than that.
Compared to what money flows through an insurance company. CEO salaries are not a big factor. We pay baseball players even more than that.


This is so idiotic it beggars the imagination...

There is no meaningful link between HC CEO pay and "performance". Given the inelastic nature of demand for the underlying product, and the absence of "value add" in the process, paying CEOs on the basis of the top line is absolutely ridiculous.....
 
Health care is the one industry where you go to get service and NO ONE can tell you what the cost will be !? What's up with that ?

Probably because in many instances they don't really know what's wrong with you. Go to a mechanic and tell them your car keeps stalling.. you'll get a cost for diagnostics, but not for repairs until they know what is wrong.
But they can give you pretty accurate estimates of the cost of each likely repair......try to get a number out of a medical provider....80% of the ones I called a few years ago couldn't quote me a price on Ear Irrigation....
 
Many of the people who will lose coverage under a revised plan will lose it due to high costs of premiums. Doctors have huge educational debt these days. That along with malpractice insurance makes it not as profitable as it was. I suppose you could limit drug companies on advertising. I really think it is wrong to approach patients who don't have medical knowledge telling their doctors what medication to provide. Compared to what money flows through an insurance company. CEO salaries are not a big factor. We pay baseball players even more than that.
Compared to what money flows through an insurance company. CEO salaries are not a big factor. We pay baseball players even more than that.


This is so idiotic it beggars the imagination...

There is no meaningful link between HC CEO pay and "performance". Given the inelastic nature of demand for the underlying product, and the absence of "value add" in the process, paying CEOs on the basis of the top line is absolutely ridiculous.....
Like paying $63M for someone to write a book only a few will read.
 
Many of the people who will lose coverage under a revised plan will lose it due to high costs of premiums. Doctors have huge educational debt these days. That along with malpractice insurance makes it not as profitable as it was. I suppose you could limit drug companies on advertising. I really think it is wrong to approach patients who don't have medical knowledge telling their doctors what medication to provide. Compared to what money flows through an insurance company. CEO salaries are not a big factor. We pay baseball players even more than that.
Compared to what money flows through an insurance company. CEO salaries are not a big factor. We pay baseball players even more than that.


This is so idiotic it beggars the imagination...

There is no meaningful link between HC CEO pay and "performance". Given the inelastic nature of demand for the underlying product, and the absence of "value add" in the process, paying CEOs on the basis of the top line is absolutely ridiculous.....

You think baseball player perform up to their salaries?
 
The federal government should stay out of it.


Was that you holding up that sign?

Medicare-keep-your-hands-off-my-medicare.jpg
 
Writing a book or playing baseball or another sport is NOT the equivalent of health care access and delivery.
 
There are 5 factors that NO politicians wants to talk about regarding the ridiculous cost of health care in this country, and why costs of premiums and co-pays keep on going skyward while millions of people go without insurance...bearing in mind that our health care system is NOT the best (the propaganda tries to make us think it is THE best) and that we lag far behind other countries in longevity and morbidity rates.
ROFLMAO! How can this be? We have federal and state governments DEEPLY embedded throughout the health care system in the U.S. , we have 10's of thousands of regulations, a plethora of tax and redistribute mechanisms and 2 gigantic federal entitlement bureaucracies dedicated to providing health care, government spends 100's of billions of other peoples dollars every year and we have legions of bureaucrats and politicians overseeing it all, should be a PERFECT system by now, you got exactly what you wanted, so what's the problem gub'mint worshipers ? buyers remorse? Or you just haven't fucked it up enough to satisfy your perverse sense of "justice" yet?
 
Many of the people who will lose coverage under a revised plan will lose it due to high costs of premiums. Doctors have huge educational debt these days. That along with malpractice insurance makes it not as profitable as it was. I suppose you could limit drug companies on advertising. I really think it is wrong to approach patients who don't have medical knowledge telling their doctors what medication to provide. Compared to what money flows through an insurance company. CEO salaries are not a big factor. We pay baseball players even more than that.
Compared to what money flows through an insurance company. CEO salaries are not a big factor. We pay baseball players even more than that.


This is so idiotic it beggars the imagination...

There is no meaningful link between HC CEO pay and "performance". Given the inelastic nature of demand for the underlying product, and the absence of "value add" in the process, paying CEOs on the basis of the top line is absolutely ridiculous.....

You think baseball player perform up to their salaries?
How do you know?
 
Good thing we have the government to make sure you don't have a choice in what insurance you want to buy.

Sure like EVERYONE can adequately make a choice on health insurance....Yours is the typical moronic line that Tom Price is feeding you.
 
There are 5 factors that NO politicians wants to talk about regarding the ridiculous cost of health care in this country, and why costs of premiums and co-pays keep on going skyward while millions of people go without insurance...bearing in mind that our health care system is NOT the best (the propaganda tries to make us think it is THE best) and that we lag far behind other countries in longevity and morbidity rates.

The first factor is the ridiculous cost of HC premiums, while CEOs of insurance companies' salaries hover at more than $1 MILLION per week, and throw money at politicians to keep Medicare for all a "fantasy".

The second factor is the equally ridiculous cost of a hospital stay for any individual who is also at risk on contracting diseases during that hospital stay. Some for profit hospitals import Italian marble for their lobbies, while ripping off both the insurance companies and clients.

The third factor is the robbery that most of us have to endure for medication. Big pharma has become the equivalent of legalized drug pushers, charging outrageous payments for needed medicines. In some cases, the return of profit on a single pill is beyond 5,000%. Bear in mind that R & D for some of these drugs is performed by the National Institute of Health that is already funded by taxpayers' dollars. A huge amount of money spent by big pharma is not for R & D...but for marketing (which also benefit TV stations and printed advertisement.)

The fourth boils down to (not for all) the amazing salaries that some doctors demand for their service, regardless of the oath they've taken to perform their services. If a doctor wants to become really wealthy, then the U.S. is their venue.....and we will never see any physician on food stamps like the millions of patients.

Finally the fifth factor (and I must admit that SOME politicians have addressed this point) is the high cost for doctors of liability insurance, which rain-making law firms want to keep from being outlawed because of the amazing profits realized by these law firms. We waste billions on these un-capped law suits that jack-up costs which eventually become the burden of the patients.

If we want to join the rest of the civilized world when it comes to HC, the above factors and issues must be addressed by brave politicians who should dedicate their lives to serve constituents and NOT just worrying about their re-election chances.
There is no choice on healthcare, because of the fucking mandate. And by the way insurance is not healthcare… Fact
 

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