What "rights" does nature give us?

[SniperFire]

Doomed libtards.... Allow me to assist. Afterall, I am here to help!

The unalienable rights we enjoy are of course the most important tenet of the founding of our Nation.

Our foundational document specifically details the source of these rights:

'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.'

See, it isn't hard. It isn't a mystery. It is right there in our founding document.

If gubmint gave out rights, they wouldn't be unalienable. duh.

We are a defacto theocracy when you think about it!

See ya in church!

LOL

The Declaration of Independence is not the founding document of the USA

It takes quite a godless freak 'progressive' to pretend the Declaration of Independence is not the founding document which marks the birth of this great Nation.

LOL @ you sick, sick fucks.

 

[SniperFire]

Locke and his abstract thoughts.

Locke the bible thumper? LOL

' for men being all the workmanship of one omnipotent, and infinitely wise maker; all the servants of one sovereign master, sent into the world by his order, and about his business; they are his property, whose workmanship they are, made to last during his, not one another's pleasure: and being furnished with like faculties, sharing all in one community of nature, there cannot be supposed any such subordination among us, that may authorize us to destroy one another, as if we were made for one another's uses, as the inferior ranks of creatures are for our's. Every one, as he is bound to preserve himself, and not to quit his station wilfully, so by the like reason, when his own preservation comes not in competition, ought he, as much as he can, to preserve the rest of mankind, and may not, unless it be to do justice on an offender, take away, or impair the life, or what tends to the preservation of the life, the liberty, health, limb, or goods of another.'

John Locke: Second Treatise of Civil Government: Chapter 2

are you on drugs?

Your best is 'OUCH!'

LOL

 

[SniperFire]

Face it, godless Leftist scum.

You hate America.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Doomed libtards.... Allow me to assist. Afterall, I am here to help!

The unalienable rights we enjoy are of course the most important tenet of the founding of our Nation.

Our foundational document specifically details the source of these rights:

'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.'

See, it isn't hard. It isn't a mystery. It is right there in our founding document.

If gubmint gave out rights, they wouldn't be unalienable. duh.

We are a defacto theocracy when you think about it!

See ya in church!

LOL

The Declaration of Independence is not the founding document of the USA

It takes quite a godless freak 'progressive' to pretend the Declaration of Independence is not the founding document which marks the birth of this great Nation.

LOL @ you sick, sick fucks.

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moron...

Our Most Important Founding Documents

Recognizing the difficulty in defining a single list of Founding Documents, the U.S. National Archives addressed the issue in a unique way. First, it recognized that there were actually hundreds of Founding Documents. Second, it recognized that the real issue at hand was not one of determining the size of the list but one of ranking the documents in order to determine those of greatest importance.

FOUNDING DOCUMENTS: US Historical Documents

Now go down to the Post Office and salute the flag willya wilma?

 

[SniperFire]

The Declaration of Independence is not the founding document of the USA

It takes quite a godless freak 'progressive' to pretend the Declaration of Independence is not the founding document which marks the birth of this great Nation.

LOL @ you sick, sick fucks.

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moron...

Our Most Important Founding Documents

Recognizing the difficulty in defining a single list of Founding Documents, the U.S. National Archives addressed the issue in a unique way. First, it recognized that there were actually hundreds of Founding Documents. Second, it recognized that the real issue at hand was not one of determining the size of the list but one of ranking the documents in order to determine those of greatest importance.

FOUNDING DOCUMENTS: US Historical Documents

Now go down to the Post Office and salute the flag willya wilma?

You are flaling pathetically, oh doomed one!

LOL

Ask any person in America the date of America's FOUNDING, and what that founding DOCUMENT was!

And while you will now embark on a weak semantic game to tell us the Declaration of Independence was not our only founding document, you have no choice but to admit it as the one which SPECIFIES the EXACT source of the unalienable rights enjoyed by man .

Shit, even John Locke knew what that source is.

'from Locke’s treatise, there exists a clearly identifiable conception of the rights of life, liberty, and property. Locke openly maintained that these rights were basic and fundamental rights of man, given by God the Creator. They are inalienable because they are established as part of the God–given law of nature, and thus are bound up in very existence itself. '

http://www.avantrex.com/essay/freetalk.html

Loser.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Does Dante offer suffer delusions about what he said and who he is?

Dainty is confident and strong, Dainty speaks of himself in the turd person...

 

[Uncensored2008]

Because we are a nation of laws and not men ..

At least until Dear Leader Obama decrees it otherwise.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Does it never occur to you people that without the U.S. Constitution, the federal government has no authority over any of us? Doesn't even exist. We go back to being 50 separate States. Kind of puts a crimp in the whole top-down socialist thingie, doesn't it?

Obama does not wage war against the constitution to create 50 autonomous states, but to dissolve the limitations and protections of the document. We will never be separate states again, regardless of whether Obama can dissolve the United States Constitution, or not.

 

[Uncensored2008]

It's outdated imo and I resent the fact that only white males constructed it, I suspect bias.

Constitutionalists are like bible thumpers in the way they treat this document, it's as if people in the modern age are not allowed to question it.

I've yet to hear anything rational from those who do question it. Take you, for instance. You're entire basis is that you're a racist. Is that a legitimate criticism? Hardly. Hatred of whites will get you a position in the democratic party, but is not a sign of intellect, quite the opposite.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Would you be happier with a Soviet style constitution if everyone got to vote on it?

That's what Drifter yearns for, whether people vote or not.

 

[Michelle420]

Treatise of Civil Government - Locke

CHAP. IV.

Of Slavery.

Sec. 22. THE natural liberty of man is to be free from any superior power on earth, and not to be under the will or legislative authority of man, but to have only the law of nature for his rule. The liberty of man, in society, is to be under no other legislative power, but that established, by consent, in the commonwealth; nor under the dominion of any will, or restraint of any law, but what that legislative shall enact, according to the trust put in it. Freedom then is not what Sir Robert Filmer tells us, Observations, A. 55. a liberty for every one to do what he lists, to live as he pleases, and not to be tied by any laws: but freedom of men under government is, to have a standing rule to live by, common to every one of that society, and made by the legislative power erected in it; a liberty to follow my own will in all things, where the rule prescribes not; and not to be subject to the inconstant, uncertain, unknown, arbitrary will of another man: as freedom of nature is, to be under no other restraint but the law of nature.

Sec. 23. This freedom from absolute, arbitrary power, is so necessary to, and closely joined with a man's preservation, that he cannot part with it, but by what forfeits his preservation and life together: for a man, not having the power of his own life, cannot, by compact, or his own consent, enslave himself to any one, nor put himself under the absolute, arbitrary power of another, to take away his life, when he pleases. No body can give more power than he has himself; and he that cannot take away his own life, cannot give another power over it. Indeed, having by his fault forfeited his own life, by some act that deserves death; he, to whom he has forfeited it, may (when he has him in his power) delay to take it, and make use of him to his own service, and he does him no injury by it: for, whenever he finds the hardship of his slavery outweigh the value of his life, it is in his power, by resisting the will of his master, to draw on himself the death he desires.

Sec. 24. This is the perfect condition of slavery, which is nothing else, but the state of war continued, between a lawful conqueror and a captive: for, if once compact enter between them, and make an agreement for a limited power on the one side, and obedience on the other, the state of war and slavery ceases, as long as the compact endures: for, as has been said, no man can, by agreement, pass over to another that which he hath not in himself, a power over his own life.

I confess, we find among the Jews, as well as other nations, that men did sell themselves; but, it is plain, this was only to drudgery, not to slavery: for, it is evident, the person sold was not under an absolute, arbitrary, despotical power: for the master could not have power to kill him, at any time, whom, at a certain time, he was obliged to let go free out of his service; and the master of such a servant was so far from having an arbitrary power over his life, that he could not, at pleasure, so much as maim him, but the loss of an eye, or tooth, set him free, Exod. xxi.

John Locke: Second Treatise of Civil Government: Chapter 4


Talk about denial and rationalizing your own wrong doing

 

[Koios]

1. Not at all. Merely differentiating concepts and material objects, since that was getting confused by you and others.

2. Glad they're working out for you, and fingers crossed you don't change your mind, and with it, their existence, for you. (noodle on that, and you'll see how they're both conceptual.)

The people that are confused are the idiots that think intangible means unreal.

Magnetic fields are not tangible. Nevertheless, they are clearly real. Nuetrinoes are also not tangible. They are also very real. Evolution isn't tangle, and it's also very real.

Yes they (Mag-fields) are indeed, TANGIBLE!! That's how we know Earth has a magnetic field, but Mars, for example, does not. (we measured it and can quantify it, which cannot be done with love, freedom, happiness, etc, which are INTANGIBLES!!)

Plus, even retards (Righties) can feel its pull, since it's the strong force (electro-magnitism), which easily overcomes the weak force (gravity) in case you're baffled as to why magnets don't fall off your fridge.

Fucking astonishing.

 

[Uncensored2008]

stop being an idiot

are you watching Planet of the Apes again?

You've never had a Dingo, Dainty. This dog was born free and will be free or dead. No fence can contain her, she comes and goes as she pleases.

The yearning to be free is undeniable in her. She will do anything for me, and the rest of her pack - by choice. But I don't put a leash on her and she laughs at fences. Her (and no doubt all Dingos) natural state is to be free.

 

[Uncensored2008]

moron...

Our Most Important Founding Documents

Recognizing the difficulty in defining a single list of Founding Documents, the U.S. National Archives addressed the issue in a unique way. First, it recognized that there were actually hundreds of Founding Documents. Second, it recognized that the real issue at hand was not one of determining the size of the list but one of ranking the documents in order to determine those of greatest importance.

FOUNDING DOCUMENTS: US Historical Documents

Now go down to the Post Office and salute the flag willya wilma?

You were doing so well Dante...

Of course the DoI is the lynch-pin of founding documents. It is the declaration to England that we would be a sovereign and independent nation. It is not a GOVERNING document, it is not law, but it is the founding document of the nation - the intent to divorce from the commonwealth and become an independent nation.

 

[Koios]

moron...

Our Most Important Founding Documents

Recognizing the difficulty in defining a single list of Founding Documents, the U.S. National Archives addressed the issue in a unique way. First, it recognized that there were actually hundreds of Founding Documents. Second, it recognized that the real issue at hand was not one of determining the size of the list but one of ranking the documents in order to determine those of greatest importance.

FOUNDING DOCUMENTS: US Historical Documents

Now go down to the Post Office and salute the flag willya wilma?

You were doing so well Dante...

Of course the DoI is the lynch-pin of founding documents. It is the declaration to England that we would be a sovereign and independent nation. It is not a GOVERNING document, it is not law, but it is the founding document of the nation - the intent to divorce from the commonwealth and become an independent nation.

Not really. It was the justification for telling King George to fuck off.

The orgins of our laws (Con) come from John Adams and Tom Jefferson being keen on reading Cicero in native Latin, not to mention other historical figures who had novel ideas on self-governance.

But J Adams did most of the heavy-lifting, by drafting the first functioning constitution, ever (for the Commonwealth of MA). That was the template that most influenced the drafting of the US Con. No shit. Read a book, and you'll learn stuff, even sitting down. It's all good.

 

[Michelle420]

moron...

Our Most Important Founding Documents

Recognizing the difficulty in defining a single list of Founding Documents, the U.S. National Archives addressed the issue in a unique way. First, it recognized that there were actually hundreds of Founding Documents. Second, it recognized that the real issue at hand was not one of determining the size of the list but one of ranking the documents in order to determine those of greatest importance.

FOUNDING DOCUMENTS: US Historical Documents

Now go down to the Post Office and salute the flag willya wilma?

You were doing so well Dante...

Of course the DoI is the lynch-pin of founding documents. It is the declaration to England that we would be a sovereign and independent nation. It is not a GOVERNING document, it is not law, but it is the founding document of the nation - the intent to divorce from the commonwealth and become an independent nation.

It was riddled with problems, the 13 colonies had the right to declare war but who would pay for it?

11 yrs later the constitution is socially constructed.

 

[Koios]

stop being an idiot

are you watching Planet of the Apes again?

You've never had a Dingo, Dainty. This dog was born free and will be free or dead. No fence can contain her, she comes and goes as she pleases.

The yearning to be free is undeniable in her. She will do anything for me, and the rest of her pack - by choice. But I don't put a leash on her and she laughs at fences. Her (and no doubt all Dingos) natural state is to be free.

I have a Blue Heeler with some red accents on paws and snout, which derive from the cross with Dingos.

And mine yearns to follow me or the GF, wherever we go. Thus, we, the governing body of that and 3 other dogs, determine its rights and freedoms.

Out in the "free" animal world, they can go where they wish, but being killed and eaten is a violent / frightening way to die. I think my dogs prefer the couch, bed, raw-food diet and frequent treats and ball-throwing, compared to the freedom enjoyed by coyotes who occassionally come onto the property in search of minimal survival eating of rabbits, and such.

But I merely speculate. They don't speak English, Portuguese nor Deutsche. So I have to project my thoughts onto them and hope they're their thoughts.

It's how it works in the human-animal contract.

 

[SniperFire]

moron...



FOUNDING DOCUMENTS: US Historical Documents

Now go down to the Post Office and salute the flag willya wilma?

You were doing so well Dante...

Of course the DoI is the lynch-pin of founding documents. It is the declaration to England that we would be a sovereign and independent nation. It is not a GOVERNING document, it is not law, but it is the founding document of the nation - the intent to divorce from the commonwealth and become an independent nation.

It was riddled with problems, the 13 colonies had the right to declare war but who would pay for it?

11 yrs later the constitution is socially constructed.

The Declaration if Independence was THE founding Document, however.

It established us as a defacto theocracy since it of course acknowledges that this great Nation would be founded on the keystone principle that we shall enjoy unalienable rights as granted by GOD.


Deal with it.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Not really. It was the justification for telling King George to fuck off.

You yap, but your squeals are absent meaning.

"Telling King George to fuck off" is a declaration that the this would be an independent nation - that we were founding our own country.

The orgins of our laws (Con) come from John Adams and Tom Jefferson being keen on reading Cicero in native Latin, not to mention other historical figures who had novel ideas on self-governance.

That's nice, utterly irrelevant, but nice.

But J Adams did most of the heavy-lifting, by drafting the first functioning constitution, ever (for the Commonwealth of MA). That was the template that most influenced the drafting of the US Con. No shit. Read a book, and you'll learn stuff, even sitting down. It's all good.

Again, utterly irrelevant to the question of whether the Declaration of Independence was the founding document by declaring that this would be an independent nation.

When you build a straw man, try to use straw with less mold, sparky.

 

[Michelle420]

You were doing so well Dante...

Of course the DoI is the lynch-pin of founding documents. It is the declaration to England that we would be a sovereign and independent nation. It is not a GOVERNING document, it is not law, but it is the founding document of the nation - the intent to divorce from the commonwealth and become an independent nation.

It was riddled with problems, the 13 colonies had the right to declare war but who would pay for it?

11 yrs later the constitution is socially constructed.

The Declaration if Independence was THE founding Document, however.

It established us as a defacto theocracy since it of course acknowledges that this great Nation would be founded on the keystone principle that we shall enjoy unalienable rights as granted by GOD.


Deal with it.

What a farce clearly many groups of people were left out of those unalienable rights.