What should happen when a president openly DEFIES the law?

[bullwinkle]

Nat, I believe Hitler also won his first election by default, some German version of losing the popular vote but winning by a technicality.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it........George Santayana,.

Actually, Nat, I am a bit off. Hitler DID lose the election, but thru pressure was appointed Chancellor. When the winner Hindenburg, who hated Hitler, died..Hitler stepped up and took over. So as far as I can tell, he did lose the election and was never elected to the leadership. See this:

1932 German presidential election - Wikipedia

You're probably correct......But I don't want this thread to divert to the history of Hitler's dictatorship

You are right, nat. Mea Culpa. My effort is to highlight some historic similarities, but if it takes us off track, it belongs elsewhere.

 

[nat4900]

It's not on Mueller as special prosecutor to exonerate anyone, you dumb fuck.

Mr. Fuckhead......Tell THAT to your orange moron-in-chief......It is HE who claims that Mueller "exonerated" him.
Go back to bed.......LMAO

Trump says Mueller investigation report exonerates him

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Yes, we all know that Trump can say moronic crap about shooting someone on 5th avenue and his ass kissers would still back him....

And most of us shrugged such statements by Trump pff since we long knew he was a spinless wanna-be bully and insecure.

BUT, when Trump openly defies laws, how can his cult members still tolerate his lawlessness (without the usual bullshit like "Obama did it too",,,,and "Hillary should be locked up")

Trump ordering hius stooge Mnuchin to NOT hand over tax returns is BREAKING THE LAW......the statute is crystal clear........when a House committee requests such returns, the IRS "SHALL COMPLY".....not maybe, but SHALL.

Trump is also ordering the WH counsel to NOT testify and defy a House committee subpoena....That is also BREAKING THE LAW.......First, McGahb has already testified under oath to Mueller....therefore NO executive privilege applies.......Second, Nixon already tried that with John Dean and LOST......and Third, there are several statutes that prevent any individual (and the orange clown is also an individual who is not above the law) from threatening a witness from testifying before Congress.

With the above in mind, Trump cultists are at a cross road.......ass kiss their cult leader or finally grow a spine and state that Trump CANNOT keep defying existing laws.

Hopefully Barry the Magnificent will be put on trial and then go to prison for a long time.

Don't know about that....
They'll blame the color of his skin,
for even charging him with anything

Trumps campaign was wide open for Russian interference
John Sipher, who served in Moscow and once helped run CIA spying operations against Russia, said, "It's clear that the Russians had a pretty extensive full court press on this administration." The full extent of how successful it was may never be known, he said.

"Being able to lock it down and prove in court? That only comes when you catch somebody red-handed, or when you have a source on the inside of your adversary who hands you documents."

The Mueller report says the special counsel investigated whether Russia's wooing of Trump officials "constituted a third avenue of attempted Russian interference with or influence on the 2016 presidential election," in addition to Russian hacking of Democratic emails and social media manipulation through false personas.

Without explicitly answering that question, the Mueller report explains how Russia sought to secretly influence the incoming Trump administration after helping it get elected, and how Kushner and other senior members of the Trump team embraced those entreaties. The report describes meetings with questionable individuals and a ready use of backchannel communications, despite warnings from U.S. intelligence officials.j

If that is true then Obama should have warned Trump that the Russians were trying to spy on him.
But, instead Obammy tried to FRAME Trump.
Obammy broke the law, not Trump.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Yes, we all know that Trump can say moronic crap about shooting someone on 5th avenue and his ass kissers would still back him....

And most of us shrugged such statements by Trump pff since we long knew he was a spinless wanna-be bully and insecure.

BUT, when Trump openly defies laws, how can his cult members still tolerate his lawlessness (without the usual bullshit like "Obama did it too",,,,and "Hillary should be locked up")

Trump ordering hius stooge Mnuchin to NOT hand over tax returns is BREAKING THE LAW......the statute is crystal clear........when a House committee requests such returns, the IRS "SHALL COMPLY".....not maybe, but SHALL.

Trump is also ordering the WH counsel to NOT testify and defy a House committee subpoena....That is also BREAKING THE LAW.......First, McGahb has already testified under oath to Mueller....therefore NO executive privilege applies.......Second, Nixon already tried that with John Dean and LOST......and Third, there are several statutes that prevent any individual (and the orange clown is also an individual who is not above the law) from threatening a witness from testifying before Congress.

With the above in mind, Trump cultists are at a cross road.......ass kiss their cult leader or finally grow a spine and state that Trump CANNOT keep defying existing laws.

What law exactly Trump is defying?

Derp.....

Exactly.

Derp....

26 U.S. Code § 6103 - Confidentiality and disclosure of returns and return information

 

[nat4900]

If that is true then Obama should have warned Trump that the Russians were trying to spy on him.

After you get your face out of Trump's ass.......read these links you fucking moron.......LOL

FBI warned Trump in 2016 Russians would try to infiltrate his campaign
.
The FBI warned Trump that Russia would try to infiltrate his campaign ...

 

[Ame®icano]

Yes, we all know that Trump can say moronic crap about shooting someone on 5th avenue and his ass kissers would still back him....

And most of us shrugged such statements by Trump pff since we long knew he was a spinless wanna-be bully and insecure.

BUT, when Trump openly defies laws, how can his cult members still tolerate his lawlessness (without the usual bullshit like "Obama did it too",,,,and "Hillary should be locked up")

Trump ordering hius stooge Mnuchin to NOT hand over tax returns is BREAKING THE LAW......the statute is crystal clear........when a House committee requests such returns, the IRS "SHALL COMPLY".....not maybe, but SHALL.

Trump is also ordering the WH counsel to NOT testify and defy a House committee subpoena....That is also BREAKING THE LAW.......First, McGahb has already testified under oath to Mueller....therefore NO executive privilege applies.......Second, Nixon already tried that with John Dean and LOST......and Third, there are several statutes that prevent any individual (and the orange clown is also an individual who is not above the law) from threatening a witness from testifying before Congress.

With the above in mind, Trump cultists are at a cross road.......ass kiss their cult leader or finally grow a spine and state that Trump CANNOT keep defying existing laws.

What law exactly Trump is defying?

The pinnacle of leftist argument...

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Yes, we all know that Trump can say moronic crap about shooting someone on 5th avenue and his ass kissers would still back him....

And most of us shrugged such statements by Trump pff since we long knew he was a spinless wanna-be bully and insecure.

BUT, when Trump openly defies laws, how can his cult members still tolerate his lawlessness (without the usual bullshit like "Obama did it too",,,,and "Hillary should be locked up")

Trump ordering hius stooge Mnuchin to NOT hand over tax returns is BREAKING THE LAW......the statute is crystal clear........when a House committee requests such returns, the IRS "SHALL COMPLY".....not maybe, but SHALL.

Trump is also ordering the WH counsel to NOT testify and defy a House committee subpoena....That is also BREAKING THE LAW.......First, McGahb has already testified under oath to Mueller....therefore NO executive privilege applies.......Second, Nixon already tried that with John Dean and LOST......and Third, there are several statutes that prevent any individual (and the orange clown is also an individual who is not above the law) from threatening a witness from testifying before Congress.

With the above in mind, Trump cultists are at a cross road.......ass kiss their cult leader or finally grow a spine and state that Trump CANNOT keep defying existing laws.

What law exactly Trump is defying?

The pinnacle of leftist argument...

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Derp.....

It's easily searched and cited in this thread.
Yet you still ask dopey questions.

Let me know when your argument begins.

 

[Ame®icano]

Can you explain how any of that is related to what you implying, Trump "defying the law"?

What law is he defying anyways?

Probably the fucking THIRD time that this idiot asks the above question....So, the dimwit is certainly beyond hope...

But for others........First of all, the term "sub poena " is Latin for "Under Penalty"

Trump places his staff and former staff members in jeopardy when asking them to defy....

U.S. Code 2 Chapter 19....
....and IRS Code 6003 (f)

What part of "executive privilege" you do not understand?

Eh, shitstain?

 

[Oddball]

 

[Ame®icano]

It's not on Mueller as special prosecutor to exonerate anyone, you dumb fuck.

Mr. Fuckhead......Tell THAT to your orange moron-in-chief......It is HE who claims that Mueller "exonerated" him.
Go back to bed.......LMAO

Trump says Mueller investigation report exonerates him

And that is correct. Mueller did not exonerate him, since that was not his job. Mueller job was to investigate if Trump campaign was colluding with Russia, which he expanded into investigation into "obstruction of justice".

The investigation report shows no collusion, and no obstruction, therefore report itself is exonerating Trump of what he was investigated for. How stupid you have to be to not understand that?

Eh, shitstain?

 

[nat4900]

What part of "executive privilege" you do not understand?

Since you're getting your ass kicked all over this thread.....Read this and go back to your junior high classes.

First, "executive privilege" is NEVER mentioned in our Constitution

Second, "executive privilege" was VOIDED after McGahn already testified in front of Mueller

Third, "executive privilege" was THROWN OUT by the Supreme Court when Nixon tried it with the tapes.

Fourth, using "executive privilege" to protect your own fuck-ups is clearly another fuck-up.

As I stated......GO BACK TO BED.

 

[Ame®icano]

Yes, we all know that Trump can say moronic crap about shooting someone on 5th avenue and his ass kissers would still back him....

And most of us shrugged such statements by Trump pff since we long knew he was a spinless wanna-be bully and insecure.

BUT, when Trump openly defies laws, how can his cult members still tolerate his lawlessness (without the usual bullshit like "Obama did it too",,,,and "Hillary should be locked up")

Trump ordering hius stooge Mnuchin to NOT hand over tax returns is BREAKING THE LAW......the statute is crystal clear........when a House committee requests such returns, the IRS "SHALL COMPLY".....not maybe, but SHALL.

Trump is also ordering the WH counsel to NOT testify and defy a House committee subpoena....That is also BREAKING THE LAW.......First, McGahb has already testified under oath to Mueller....therefore NO executive privilege applies.......Second, Nixon already tried that with John Dean and LOST......and Third, there are several statutes that prevent any individual (and the orange clown is also an individual who is not above the law) from threatening a witness from testifying before Congress.

With the above in mind, Trump cultists are at a cross road.......ass kiss their cult leader or finally grow a spine and state that Trump CANNOT keep defying existing laws.

What law exactly Trump is defying?

Derp.....

Exactly.

Derp....

26 U.S. Code § 6103 - Confidentiality and disclosure of returns and return information

Okayyyyy, I'll play.

Let's pretend you know what you're talking about and that you can point to the section, or paragraph, of the law that he's defying.

Go.

 

[nat4900]

The investigation report shows no collusion, and no obstruction, therefore report itself is exonerating Trump of what he was investigated for. How stupid you have to be to not understand that?

NO, MORON..........Mueller laid out TEN serious indictable items.......But Mueller is abiding by the DOJ policy that the orange clown cannot be indicted while in office.

So, Trump is NOT exonerated.......and when he leaves office, he WOULD be indicted.

Read.....Comprehend.....LEARN

 

[edward37]

Yes, we all know that Trump can say moronic crap about shooting someone on 5th avenue and his ass kissers would still back him....

And most of us shrugged such statements by Trump pff since we long knew he was a spinless wanna-be bully and insecure.

BUT, when Trump openly defies laws, how can his cult members still tolerate his lawlessness (without the usual bullshit like "Obama did it too",,,,and "Hillary should be locked up")

Trump ordering hius stooge Mnuchin to NOT hand over tax returns is BREAKING THE LAW......the statute is crystal clear........when a House committee requests such returns, the IRS "SHALL COMPLY".....not maybe, but SHALL.

Trump is also ordering the WH counsel to NOT testify and defy a House committee subpoena....That is also BREAKING THE LAW.......First, McGahb has already testified under oath to Mueller....therefore NO executive privilege applies.......Second, Nixon already tried that with John Dean and LOST......and Third, there are several statutes that prevent any individual (and the orange clown is also an individual who is not above the law) from threatening a witness from testifying before Congress.

With the above in mind, Trump cultists are at a cross road.......ass kiss their cult leader or finally grow a spine and state that Trump CANNOT keep defying existing laws.

Hopefully Barry the Magnificent will be put on trial and then go to prison for a long time.

Don't know about that....
They'll blame the color of his skin,
for even charging him with anything

Trumps campaign was wide open for Russian interference
John Sipher, who served in Moscow and once helped run CIA spying operations against Russia, said, "It's clear that the Russians had a pretty extensive full court press on this administration." The full extent of how successful it was may never be known, he said.

"Being able to lock it down and prove in court? That only comes when you catch somebody red-handed, or when you have a source on the inside of your adversary who hands you documents."

The Mueller report says the special counsel investigated whether Russia's wooing of Trump officials "constituted a third avenue of attempted Russian interference with or influence on the 2016 presidential election," in addition to Russian hacking of Democratic emails and social media manipulation through false personas.

Without explicitly answering that question, the Mueller report explains how Russia sought to secretly influence the incoming Trump administration after helping it get elected, and how Kushner and other senior members of the Trump team embraced those entreaties. The report describes meetings with questionable individuals and a ready use of backchannel communications, despite warnings from U.S. intelligence officials.j

If that is true then Obama should have warned Trump that the Russians were trying to spy on him.
But, instead Obammy tried to FRAME Trump.
Obammy broke the law, not Trump.

You do know that before leaving office Obama sanctioned Russia??

 

[nat4900]

Let's pretend you know what you're talking about and that you can point to the section, or paragraph, of the law that he's defying.

Getting into the pen and wrestling with a pig....like you......is a waste of time.....and only making the pig......you....happy.

So, bye-bye.........LMAO

 

[Ame®icano]

Yes, we all know that Trump can say moronic crap about shooting someone on 5th avenue and his ass kissers would still back him....

And most of us shrugged such statements by Trump pff since we long knew he was a spinless wanna-be bully and insecure.

BUT, when Trump openly defies laws, how can his cult members still tolerate his lawlessness (without the usual bullshit like "Obama did it too",,,,and "Hillary should be locked up")

Trump ordering hius stooge Mnuchin to NOT hand over tax returns is BREAKING THE LAW......the statute is crystal clear........when a House committee requests such returns, the IRS "SHALL COMPLY".....not maybe, but SHALL.

Trump is also ordering the WH counsel to NOT testify and defy a House committee subpoena....That is also BREAKING THE LAW.......First, McGahb has already testified under oath to Mueller....therefore NO executive privilege applies.......Second, Nixon already tried that with John Dean and LOST......and Third, there are several statutes that prevent any individual (and the orange clown is also an individual who is not above the law) from threatening a witness from testifying before Congress.

With the above in mind, Trump cultists are at a cross road.......ass kiss their cult leader or finally grow a spine and state that Trump CANNOT keep defying existing laws.

What law exactly Trump is defying?

The pinnacle of leftist argument...

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You two are not alone. Like mental patients, no content, just idiocy...

 

[nat4900]

You do know that before leaving office Obama sanctioned Russia??

Obama ALSO kicked out about 3 dozen Russian wanna-be spies.....and closed down 2 spy-den compounds.

Maybe not enough.....but a hell of a lot more than the orange moron has done in kissing Putin's ass.

 

[Ame®icano]

What part of "executive privilege" you do not understand?

Since you're getting your ass kicked all over this thread.....Read this and go back to your junior high classes.

First, "executive privilege" is NEVER mentioned in our Constitution

Second, "executive privilege" was VOIDED after McGahn already testified in front of Mueller

Third, "executive privilege" was THROWN OUT by the Supreme Court when Nixon tried it with the tapes.

Fourth, using "executive privilege" to protect your own fuck-ups is clearly another fuck-up.

As I stated......GO BACK TO BED.

This show how uneducated you are on the subject.

I gotta run back to work, but I'll be back on this... later on.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Can you explain how any of that is related to what you implying, Trump "defying the law"?

What law is he defying anyways?

Probably the fucking THIRD time that this idiot asks the above question....So, the dimwit is certainly beyond hope...

But for others........First of all, the term "sub poena " is Latin for "Under Penalty"

Trump places his staff and former staff members in jeopardy when asking them to defy....

U.S. Code 2 Chapter 19....
....and IRS Code 6003 (f)

What part of "executive privilege" you do not understand?

Eh, shitstain?

Umm.....the part where the request went to the IRS and not the president.

 

[edward37]

You do know that before leaving office Obama sanctioned Russia??

Obama ALSO kicked out about 3 dozen Russian wanna-be spies.....and closed down 2 spy-den compounds.

Maybe not enough.....but a hell of a lot more than the orange moron has done in kissing Putin's ass.

And They tried to warn Trump but his people shut them down Trump didn't want to hear if Russians influenced his victory