What should happen when a president openly DEFIES the law?

[DBA]

Well, Trump ass kissers.......we will see if Trump assumes the role of a despot or this country still believes in democracy.

If America still believes in Democracy, they sure as heck won't vote for a Democrat.

Yeah they'll vote for a pussy grabbing thief again

Yep, and laugh all the way to the bank while the economy sores. Poor Democrats just hate it when America is successful.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Uh, and what did you have to say when Obama and Holder "openly defied" Congressional subpoenas? I don't recall seeing a single liberal here posting a thread to express concern about Obama and his Attorney General "openly defying the law."

 

[DBA]

Uh, and what did you have to say when Obama and Holder "openly defied" Congressional subpoenas? I don't recall seeing a single liberal here posting a thread to express concern about Obama and his Attorney General "openly defying the law."

That would have been racist.

 

[basquebromance]

when your hands are stuffed with money and your balls are dipped in gold, you want more and more, of course you will commit crimes!

 

[miketx]

Yes, we all know that Trump can say moronic crap about shooting someone on 5th avenue and his ass kissers would still back him....

And most of us shrugged such statements by Trump pff since we long knew he was a spinless wanna-be bully and insecure.

BUT, when Trump openly defies laws, how can his cult members still tolerate his lawlessness (without the usual bullshit like "Obama did it too",,,,and "Hillary should be locked up")

Trump ordering hius stooge Mnuchin to NOT hand over tax returns is BREAKING THE LAW......the statute is crystal clear........when a House committee requests such returns, the IRS "SHALL COMPLY".....not maybe, but SHALL.

Trump is also ordering the WH counsel to NOT testify and defy a House committee subpoena....That is also BREAKING THE LAW.......First, McGahb has already testified under oath to Mueller....therefore NO executive privilege applies.......Second, Nixon already tried that with John Dean and LOST......and Third, there are several statutes that prevent any individual (and the orange clown is also an individual who is not above the law) from threatening a witness from testifying before Congress.

With the above in mind, Trump cultists are at a cross road.......ass kiss their cult leader or finally grow a spine and state that Trump CANNOT keep defying existing laws.

4 more years oughta be a good punishment.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Yes, we all know that Trump can say moronic crap about shooting someone on 5th avenue and his ass kissers would still back him....

And most of us shrugged such statements by Trump pff since we long knew he was a spinless wanna-be bully and insecure.

BUT, when Trump openly defies laws, how can his cult members still tolerate his lawlessness (without the usual bullshit like "Obama did it too",,,,and "Hillary should be locked up")

Trump ordering hius stooge Mnuchin to NOT hand over tax returns is BREAKING THE LAW......the statute is crystal clear........when a House committee requests such returns, the IRS "SHALL COMPLY".....not maybe, but SHALL.

Trump is also ordering the WH counsel to NOT testify and defy a House committee subpoena....That is also BREAKING THE LAW.......First, McGahb has already testified under oath to Mueller....therefore NO executive privilege applies.......Second, Nixon already tried that with John Dean and LOST......and Third, there are several statutes that prevent any individual (and the orange clown is also an individual who is not above the law) from threatening a witness from testifying before Congress.

With the above in mind, Trump cultists are at a cross road.......ass kiss their cult leader or finally grow a spine and state that Trump CANNOT keep defying existing laws.

"The statute is clear, no I won't tell you which statute or quote it, JUST BELIEVE ME!"

Understandably, I didn't bother to read the rest of your overheated blather.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Tax returns? After a two year 6 million dollar investigation involving over 3,000 subpoenas, 500 witnesses and several midnight raids the democrats came up with zip. Now the strategy is to accuse the President of being a capitalist. Somebody needs to open some PTSD clinics. Disappointed and angry democrats ain't getting any better.

Seriously, what is the point of Congress demanding his tax returns? Are they saying they don't trust the IRS to do their job well? Are they saying THEY can do it better?

 

[Cecilie1200]

Here we go again.

You lost....Get the fuck over it.....Get a life.

HONK HONK!

This has nothing to do with winning an election.
This is about the president following the law.

Still waiting on the law you think gives Congress the right to invade people's privacy whenever they choose.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Telling assholes who have no business demanding what they're demanding isn't breaking the law, loser.

I think that was ALSO Al Capone's argument......how did it work out for that scumbag?

I think no one's going to take what you "think" as fact. Please show us evidence that Capone's argument was "none of your business". I mean, the man had a trial, it's a matter of record, so it should be easy to source, right?

 

[Cecilie1200]

the pos is going to obstruct congressional inquires??

Actually......the spineless orange turd is probably telling Mnuchin......"don't worry if you wind up in prison, by defying a subpoena, I'll pardon you later.." LOL

Actually, it's even less interesting what you ASSume he's "probably" doing and your faux-rage about it.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Yes, we all know that Trump can say moronic crap about shooting someone on 5th avenue and his ass kissers would still back him....

And most of us shrugged such statements by Trump pff since we long knew he was a spinless wanna-be bully and insecure.

BUT, when Trump openly defies laws, how can his cult members still tolerate his lawlessness (without the usual bullshit like "Obama did it too",,,,and "Hillary should be locked up")

Trump ordering hius stooge Mnuchin to NOT hand over tax returns is BREAKING THE LAW......the statute is crystal clear........when a House committee requests such returns, the IRS "SHALL COMPLY".....not maybe, but SHALL.

Trump is also ordering the WH counsel to NOT testify and defy a House committee subpoena....That is also BREAKING THE LAW.......First, McGahb has already testified under oath to Mueller....therefore NO executive privilege applies.......Second, Nixon already tried that with John Dean and LOST......and Third, there are several statutes that prevent any individual (and the orange clown is also an individual who is not above the law) from threatening a witness from testifying before Congress.

With the above in mind, Trump cultists are at a cross road.......ass kiss their cult leader or finally grow a spine and state that Trump CANNOT keep defying existing laws.

Are the committees of ways and means, committe on finance, or the committee on joint taxation making these requests in closed executive session? If they are not, then it is illegal for them to request any taxpayer information until they are.

Derp....

Trump’s Tax Returns Requested by House Panel Chair

The article is behind a pay wall, however, the law states they can only request tax documents that identify a particular taxpayer while in closed executive session.

My question is, are any of those 3 committes in closed executive session when making the request?

Any committee has to first vote as a majority to request the tax returns.....If the request's term is then ignored, a subpoena is issued.......If the subpoena is also ignored, then the DOJ is contacted to prosecure....AND if the DOJ refuses (Barr) then the committee brings the case into a court of jurisdiction who can hold in contempt the head of DOJ for not following the law.

Bottom line is this.....Yes, tax returns will be reviewed within a closed session, BUT, the committee is not prevented from stating whether Trump's tax returns were under audit or NOT........possibly making Trump

Ok, well, as long as the request is being made in closed executive session, then it is legal.

Question though, if you get his taxes, and it comes up with nothing, will the left be satisfied? I mean, they said the Mueller investigation was the key to taking down trump, and when that didn't play out in their favor, they are back to his taxes.

So, if his taxes reveal nothing, will the left let it go?

 

[Cecilie1200]

Don't you ever get tired of continuously spewing partisan anti-Trump BS...for self gratification or to impress your Anti-Trump fellow snowflake board membwrs?

When Trump ass kissers CANNOT defend their cult leader......what's the very "best"
thing to do?????

Simple.................Bring up Hillary and Obama.................
Same shit by the poorly educated morons who walk around with vivid orange lips.

One can never go wrong with the premise that Democrats are shameless, amoral hypocrites.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Again, why were you folks silent when Obama ignored Congressional subpoenas for information about several subjects, such as Fast & Furious, Benghazi, etc., etc.? Why did you express no concern about brazen defiance of the law?

 

[Cecilie1200]

Democrats are shoveling out subpoenas without even bothering to allege a crime. That they hate Trump isn't a reason. In this case Trump is doing the right thing by refusing to comply with the subpoena and making them get a court order.

And if they do get a valid court order and he still refuses, what then?

In 1857, Congress enacted a law that made "contempt of Congress" a criminal offense against the United States.
Yes, Congress can arrest and detain a witness and force that witness to testify.

The real TEST here is whether Barr refuses to uphold the will of congress.

Perhaps, but that does not mean Congress gets to ask anyone anything they want, without any valid pretext for doing so.

Again, please cite the law, rather than expecting people to take your word for it.

 

[nat4900]

"The statute is clear, no I won't tell you which statute or quote it, JUST BELIEVE ME!"

Understandably, I didn't bother to read the rest of your overheated blather.

Well, THAT is because you're a fucking idiot.....but I'm sure you gear that a loot already....

Had you read this long thread before spewing your poorly educated bullshit, you'd know that the statute were mentioned SEVERAL times......

Stick with Hannity's GED classes to other morons like you................LMAO

 

[Oddball]

Again, why were you folks silent when Obama ignored Congressional subpoenas for information about several subjects, such as Fast & Furious, Benghazi, etc., etc.? Why did you express no concern about brazen defiance of the law?

Because, like I said, they only GAF about the Constitution when it favors their argument....Otherwise, it's something to be circumvented if not outright ignored.

In either case, it still has been a dead letter for several decades.

 

[xyz]

Yes, we all know that Trump can say moronic crap about shooting someone on 5th avenue and his ass kissers would still back him....

And most of us shrugged such statements by Trump pff since we long knew he was a spinless wanna-be bully and insecure.

BUT, when Trump openly defies laws, how can his cult members still tolerate his lawlessness (without the usual bullshit like "Obama did it too",,,,and "Hillary should be locked up")

Trump ordering hius stooge Mnuchin to NOT hand over tax returns is BREAKING THE LAW......the statute is crystal clear........when a House committee requests such returns, the IRS "SHALL COMPLY".....not maybe, but SHALL.

Trump is also ordering the WH counsel to NOT testify and defy a House committee subpoena....That is also BREAKING THE LAW.......First, McGahb has already testified under oath to Mueller....therefore NO executive privilege applies.......Second, Nixon already tried that with John Dean and LOST......and Third, there are several statutes that prevent any individual (and the orange clown is also an individual who is not above the law) from threatening a witness from testifying before Congress.

With the above in mind, Trump cultists are at a cross road.......ass kiss their cult leader or finally grow a spine and state that Trump CANNOT keep defying existing laws.

It would be easier if it was just one guy, not a bunch of crooks. By which I'm not saying just some of his cabinet members like Barr and Mnuchin, but also people like McConnell, Gaetz and Nunez.

It's a whole conspiracy to commit crimes, a crime syndicate which is above the law.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Yes, we all know that Trump can say moronic crap about shooting someone on 5th avenue and his ass kissers would still back him....

And most of us shrugged such statements by Trump pff since we long knew he was a spinless wanna-be bully and insecure.

BUT, when Trump openly defies laws, how can his cult members still tolerate his lawlessness (without the usual bullshit like "Obama did it too",,,,and "Hillary should be locked up")

Trump ordering hius stooge Mnuchin to NOT hand over tax returns is BREAKING THE LAW......the statute is crystal clear........when a House committee requests such returns, the IRS "SHALL COMPLY".....not maybe, but SHALL.

Trump is also ordering the WH counsel to NOT testify and defy a House committee subpoena....That is also BREAKING THE LAW.......First, McGahb has already testified under oath to Mueller....therefore NO executive privilege applies.......Second, Nixon already tried that with John Dean and LOST......and Third, there are several statutes that prevent any individual (and the orange clown is also an individual who is not above the law) from threatening a witness from testifying before Congress.

With the above in mind, Trump cultists are at a cross road.......ass kiss their cult leader or finally grow a spine and state that Trump CANNOT keep defying existing laws.

This is what Mnuchin's legal team is mulling over.....(and maybe even McGahn' s lawyers)

2 U.S.C. 192 - Refusal of witness to testify or produce papers - Content ...

Try Watkins v United States, 1957:

Watkins v. United States, Supreme Court of the United States, No. 261, October Term-1956, slip opinion, June 17, 1957

“Broad as is this power of inquiry, it is not unlimited. There is no general authority to expose the private affairs of individuals without justification in terms of the functions of the Congress.”

 

[Cecilie1200]

What law has been defied? Be specific.

You're too fucking gone up Trump's ass.......

But, I already cited one statute (above) and you can ask your mommy to look up IRS Code 6003 (f)

You're too fucking gone up your own ass, loving the idea of pushing the nation toward Constitutional crisis after crisis just to get what you want.

 

[Cecilie1200]

What law exactly Trump is defying?

Another moron chimes in.....

See posts #47 and #50..........

This is WHY Trump once stated that he loves the poorly educated....and they love him.

"You don't get the morning Democrat talking point memo! That makes you uneducated! Everything there is to know or think is in there!"