What time is it, from a biblical perspective?

[Care4all]

No man will know the time...

no man shall know the DAY or the HOUR....

BUT we will know the times, in the sense of the general vicinity.... by certain things that were prophesied would happen....

They did know the day and the hour. Not only did John and his contemporaries know, but Paul and his readers in Thessalonica, just a few years earlier, had an idea of it.

Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need to have anything written to you. For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. But you are not in darkness, brothers, for that day to surprise you like a thief. (1 Thes 5:1-4)

Believers may not have known exactly when tribulation and judgment would occur after Jesus warned them, but they certainly had a sense of their imminence as Roman armies surrounded the capital. The Christians were not in darkness; the day did not surprise them. Paul reminded the Thessalonians of this, but he didn’t have to, for they obviously knew in short order that the day and the hour had come. God preserved the church in Jerusalem when the saints fled to the wilderness by the thousands, largely to the village of Pella. Because they expected the coming judgment they managed to escape it.

So you believe these prophesies have already taken place??

 

[norwegen]

No man will know the time...

no man shall know the DAY or the HOUR....

BUT we will know the times, in the sense of the general vicinity.... by certain things that were prophesied would happen....

They did know the day and the hour. Not only did John and his contemporaries know, but Paul and his readers in Thessalonica, just a few years earlier, had an idea of it.

Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need to have anything written to you. For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. But you are not in darkness, brothers, for that day to surprise you like a thief. (1 Thes 5:1-4)

Believers may not have known exactly when tribulation and judgment would occur after Jesus warned them, but they certainly had a sense of their imminence as Roman armies surrounded the capital. The Christians were not in darkness; the day did not surprise them. Paul reminded the Thessalonians of this, but he didn’t have to, for they obviously knew in short order that the day and the hour had come. God preserved the church in Jerusalem when the saints fled to the wilderness by the thousands, largely to the village of Pella. Because they expected the coming judgment they managed to escape it.

So you believe these prophesies have already taken place??

I don't deny or ignore the Scriptures.

 

[HaShev]

No man will know the time...

no man shall know the DAY or the HOUR....

BUT we will know the times, in the sense of the general vicinity.... by certain things that were prophesied would happen....

They did know the day and the hour. Not only did John and his contemporaries know, but Paul and his readers in Thessalonica, just a few years earlier, had an idea of it.

Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need to have anything written to you. For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. But you are not in darkness, brothers, for that day to surprise you like a thief. (1 Thes 5:1-4)

Believers may not have known exactly when tribulation and judgment would occur after Jesus warned them, but they certainly had a sense of their imminence as Roman armies surrounded the capital. The Christians were not in darkness; the day did not surprise them. Paul reminded the Thessalonians of this, but he didn’t have to, for they obviously knew in short order that the day and the hour had come. God preserved the church in Jerusalem when the saints fled to the wilderness by the thousands, largely to the village of Pella. Because they expected the coming judgment they managed to escape it.

Isn't the previous chapter just as relevant to context of today:
1 Thessalonians 4:16
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with "the voice of the archangel", and the Trump of God.

 

[BreezeWood]

Sorry to point out to the fundies that the "end times" arrived in 1968, after which, nothing happened.

Obviously there are plenty of people who have made false claims and false predictions. As was stated, we're not supposed to set a date, the scriptures clearly say no one will know the exact date.

Not surprising at all that an atheist would bring that up, but just because people have made false predictions (when they weren't supposed to date-set in the first place) does not mean that there is no end of this age, or that we can't have a general idea on the time we're living in.

As I mentioned to someone else, there are certain specific events that must take place first. Certain specific events that have not happened yet, so obviously they hadn't happened in 1968. To conclude or imply that because people made false claims none of it is true is a non sequitur.

Obviously there are plenty of people who have made false claims and false predictions. As was stated, we're not supposed to set a date, the scriptures clearly say no one will know the exact date.

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no there is not a date, the moment is well known by the adherents - the religion of antiquity.

nor the desert religions that have abandoned the prescribed religion of antiquity that states clearly in its message the time for the final judgement - the triumph of good vs evil - when concluded will be one or the other where no difference will be made or the extinction of humanity will ensue.

for all or no one - there will be no saving anyone.

 

[BreezeWood]

No man will know the time...

no man shall know the DAY or the HOUR....

BUT we will know the times, in the sense of the general vicinity.... by certain things that were prophesied would happen....

BUT we will know the times, in the sense of the general vicinity.... by certain things that were prophesied would happen....

.
really the 4th century christian bible has where there is a peaceful, desired ending .... certainly not for the crucifiers. they wrote the book, take a clue.

 

[Care4all]

No man will know the time...

no man shall know the DAY or the HOUR....

BUT we will know the times, in the sense of the general vicinity.... by certain things that were prophesied would happen....

BUT we will know the times, in the sense of the general vicinity.... by certain things that were prophesied would happen....

.
really the 4th century christian bible has where there is a peaceful, desired ending .... certainly not for the crucifiers. they wrote the book, take a clue.

You're going to have a hard time convincing me, of anything other than what I already believe.... I've got that alleged God gene.... I believe in God, the father, the almighty, and in heaven and earth....

No matter how illogical, how crazy, it all may seem, even to me sometimes.... God has me, hook, line and sinker, till the day I die.... it's unexplainable, I just know, what I know... I believe in God, and all that goes with it.... as said, as loony tune as that may seem, to any unbelievers... it is my destiny.

 

[Newtonian]

Time to convert...
from materialism.

To?

See Isaiah 2:2-4

Yes, to see that!

Isaiah 2:2-4
2 In the final part of the days,*
The mountain of the house of Jehovah
Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains,+
And it will be raised up above the hills,
And to it all the nations will stream.+
3 And many peoples will go and say:
“Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah,
To the house of the God of Jacob.+
He will instruct us about his ways,
And we will walk in his paths.”+
For law* will go out of Zion,
And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem.+
4 He will render judgment among the nations
And set matters straight* respecting many peoples.
They will beat their swords into plowshares
And their spears into pruning shears.+
Nation will not lift up sword against nation,
Nor will they learn war anymore.+

A key point is that God's people obey that law out of heavenly Mt. Zion (Hebrews 12;22ff) and learn war no more.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Almost AntiChrist time, I'd say.

 

[BreezeWood]

No man will know the time...

no man shall know the DAY or the HOUR....

BUT we will know the times, in the sense of the general vicinity.... by certain things that were prophesied would happen....

BUT we will know the times, in the sense of the general vicinity.... by certain things that were prophesied would happen....

.
really the 4th century christian bible has where there is a peaceful, desired ending .... certainly not for the crucifiers. they wrote the book, take a clue.

You're going to have a hard time convincing me, of anything other than what I already believe.... I've got that alleged God gene.... I believe in God, the father, the almighty, and in heaven and earth....

No matter how illogical, how crazy, it all may seem, even to me sometimes.... God has me, hook, line and sinker, till the day I die.... it's unexplainable, I just know, what I know... I believe in God, and all that goes with it.... as said, as loony tune as that may seem, to any unbelievers... it is my destiny.

.... as said, as loony tune as that may seem, to any unbelievers... it is my destiny.

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not yours alone, innocence if it is the desert religions you are referring too.

 

[fncceo]

Time to convert...
from materialism.

To?

See Isaiah 2:2-4

Yes, to see that!

Isaiah 2:2-4
2 In the final part of the days,*
The mountain of the house of Jehovah
Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains,+
And it will be raised up above the hills,
And to it all the nations will stream.+
3 And many peoples will go and say:
“Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah,
To the house of the God of Jacob.+
He will instruct us about his ways,
And we will walk in his paths.”+
For law* will go out of Zion,
And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem.+
4 He will render judgment among the nations
And set matters straight* respecting many peoples.
They will beat their swords into plowshares
And their spears into pruning shears.+
Nation will not lift up sword against nation,
Nor will they learn war anymore.+

A key point is that God's people obey that law out of heavenly Mt. Zion (Hebrews 12;22ff) and learn war no more.

Nations who fail to learn war, will soon learn all about war.

 

[buttercup]

No man will know the time...

no man shall know the DAY or the HOUR....

BUT we will know the times, in the sense of the general vicinity.... by certain things that were prophesied would happen....

BUT we will know the times, in the sense of the general vicinity.... by certain things that were prophesied would happen....

.
really the 4th century christian bible has where there is a peaceful, desired ending .... certainly not for the crucifiers. they wrote the book, take a clue.

You're going to have a hard time convincing me, of anything other than what I already believe.... I've got that alleged God gene.... I believe in God, the father, the almighty, and in heaven and earth....

No matter how illogical, how crazy, it all may seem, even to me sometimes.... God has me, hook, line and sinker, till the day I die.... it's unexplainable, I just know, what I know... I believe in God, and all that goes with it.... as said, as loony tune as that may seem, to any unbelievers... it is my destiny.

Amen! When I read your post what came to mind was Psalm 34:8. We can experience and see that God is good. I wish people would realize that, they are missing out on the very thing we were created for. And it's the best thing that can ever happen to a person. (btw, we really need a raised arms emoji here. I'll have to put in a request for that, lol)

 

[norwegen]

No man will know the time...

no man shall know the DAY or the HOUR....

BUT we will know the times, in the sense of the general vicinity.... by certain things that were prophesied would happen....

They did know the day and the hour. Not only did John and his contemporaries know, but Paul and his readers in Thessalonica, just a few years earlier, had an idea of it.

Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need to have anything written to you. For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. But you are not in darkness, brothers, for that day to surprise you like a thief. (1 Thes 5:1-4)

Believers may not have known exactly when tribulation and judgment would occur after Jesus warned them, but they certainly had a sense of their imminence as Roman armies surrounded the capital. The Christians were not in darkness; the day did not surprise them. Paul reminded the Thessalonians of this, but he didn’t have to, for they obviously knew in short order that the day and the hour had come. God preserved the church in Jerusalem when the saints fled to the wilderness by the thousands, largely to the village of Pella. Because they expected the coming judgment they managed to escape it.

Isn't the previous chapter just as relevant to context of today:
1 Thessalonians 4:16
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with "the voice of the archangel", and the Trump of God.

As relevant as Chapter 5.

Just curious: when he descends, will he descend on a cloud or on a white horse?

 

[Care4all]

No man will know the time...

no man shall know the DAY or the HOUR....

BUT we will know the times, in the sense of the general vicinity.... by certain things that were prophesied would happen....

They did know the day and the hour. Not only did John and his contemporaries know, but Paul and his readers in Thessalonica, just a few years earlier, had an idea of it.

Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need to have anything written to you. For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. But you are not in darkness, brothers, for that day to surprise you like a thief. (1 Thes 5:1-4)

Believers may not have known exactly when tribulation and judgment would occur after Jesus warned them, but they certainly had a sense of their imminence as Roman armies surrounded the capital. The Christians were not in darkness; the day did not surprise them. Paul reminded the Thessalonians of this, but he didn’t have to, for they obviously knew in short order that the day and the hour had come. God preserved the church in Jerusalem when the saints fled to the wilderness by the thousands, largely to the village of Pella. Because they expected the coming judgment they managed to escape it.

Isn't the previous chapter just as relevant to context of today:
1 Thessalonians 4:16
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with "the voice of the archangel", and the Trump of God.

trumpet, not Trump?

6 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.

 

[HaShev]

No man will know the time...

no man shall know the DAY or the HOUR....

BUT we will know the times, in the sense of the general vicinity.... by certain things that were prophesied would happen....

They did know the day and the hour. Not only did John and his contemporaries know, but Paul and his readers in Thessalonica, just a few years earlier, had an idea of it.

Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need to have anything written to you. For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. But you are not in darkness, brothers, for that day to surprise you like a thief. (1 Thes 5:1-4)

Believers may not have known exactly when tribulation and judgment would occur after Jesus warned them, but they certainly had a sense of their imminence as Roman armies surrounded the capital. The Christians were not in darkness; the day did not surprise them. Paul reminded the Thessalonians of this, but he didn’t have to, for they obviously knew in short order that the day and the hour had come. God preserved the church in Jerusalem when the saints fled to the wilderness by the thousands, largely to the village of Pella. Because they expected the coming judgment they managed to escape it.

Isn't the previous chapter just as relevant to context of today:
1 Thessalonians 4:16
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with "the voice of the archangel", and the Trump of God.

As relevant as Chapter 5.

Just curious: when he descends, will he descend on a cloud or on a white horse?

Cloud was a poetical biblical expression that meant "Gathering", usually refering to the Gathering of Hosts who's flowing robes looked like puffy white clouds when gathered. Now reread Dan's description in his NIGHT VISION- UNDERSTANDING coming out of or coming with the clouds (gathering of Kohanim) to the Mikdash (up to the gathering in Mt Zion during the procession).

 

[HaShev]

No man will know the time...

no man shall know the DAY or the HOUR....

BUT we will know the times, in the sense of the general vicinity.... by certain things that were prophesied would happen....

They did know the day and the hour. Not only did John and his contemporaries know, but Paul and his readers in Thessalonica, just a few years earlier, had an idea of it.

Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need to have anything written to you. For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. But you are not in darkness, brothers, for that day to surprise you like a thief. (1 Thes 5:1-4)

Believers may not have known exactly when tribulation and judgment would occur after Jesus warned them, but they certainly had a sense of their imminence as Roman armies surrounded the capital. The Christians were not in darkness; the day did not surprise them. Paul reminded the Thessalonians of this, but he didn’t have to, for they obviously knew in short order that the day and the hour had come. God preserved the church in Jerusalem when the saints fled to the wilderness by the thousands, largely to the village of Pella. Because they expected the coming judgment they managed to escape it.

Isn't the previous chapter just as relevant to context of today:
1 Thessalonians 4:16
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with "the voice of the archangel", and the Trump of God.

trumpet, not Trump?

6 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.

Nope always said Trump of God look at all the old versions, the later inclination was to make it make sense to what they assumed was trumpet, before it's time it make sense people will always add their translation in assumption and lose the intent message. Also names get blotted out when changed from original language and transliteration. Sometimes they will translate a name to a definition, or vice versa a term for a description or role made into a figure when more then 1 figure can be deemed in that role/term used. Example: Metatron means mediator, a term given Enoch and Michael, but people make that word a new figure.

 

[norwegen]

No man will know the time...

no man shall know the DAY or the HOUR....

BUT we will know the times, in the sense of the general vicinity.... by certain things that were prophesied would happen....

They did know the day and the hour. Not only did John and his contemporaries know, but Paul and his readers in Thessalonica, just a few years earlier, had an idea of it.

Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need to have anything written to you. For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. But you are not in darkness, brothers, for that day to surprise you like a thief. (1 Thes 5:1-4)

Believers may not have known exactly when tribulation and judgment would occur after Jesus warned them, but they certainly had a sense of their imminence as Roman armies surrounded the capital. The Christians were not in darkness; the day did not surprise them. Paul reminded the Thessalonians of this, but he didn’t have to, for they obviously knew in short order that the day and the hour had come. God preserved the church in Jerusalem when the saints fled to the wilderness by the thousands, largely to the village of Pella. Because they expected the coming judgment they managed to escape it.

Isn't the previous chapter just as relevant to context of today:
1 Thessalonians 4:16
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with "the voice of the archangel", and the Trump of God.

As relevant as Chapter 5.

Just curious: when he descends, will he descend on a cloud or on a white horse?

Cloud was a poetical biblical expression that meant "Gathering", usually refering to the Gathering of Hosts who's flowing robes looked like puffy white clouds when gathered. Now reread Dan's description in his NIGHT VISION- UNDERSTANDING coming out of or coming with the clouds (gathering of Kohanim) to the Mikdash (up to the gathering in Mt Zion during the procession).

At least you don't say that a cloud is a puff of condensation in the troposphere. Imagining Jesus riding in on such a cloud like a comic book superhero is just nonsense. Comical, even. And heretical.

Jesus came in power and spirit, the way Elijah came.

Clouds of witnesses are clearly identified in the New Testament, and I know the Lord also appeared in clouds of heaven before that, such as when he sent the Medes to drive out the Babylonians (Is 13:17-19). He accompanied Israel in a cloud to judge Egypt (Is 19:1). Nahum referred to clouds as the dust of God’s feet when He judged Nineveh (1:3).

Jesus never said he would come a second time (the letter to the Hebrew Christians refers to him coming a second time in a strictly New Testament context). If Christ was the Rock who followed the faithful in Israel (1 Cor 10:4-5), and if he came at least three times in the New Testament (as a baby in a manger, in his kingdom, and in judgment), then in the grand scheme, there is no "second" coming.

What time is it now from a biblical perspective? It's time for the eternal church to keep her vows to the Lamb in the eternal kingdom. It's time to reap the blessings of the new creation.

 

[HaShev]

No man will know the time...

no man shall know the DAY or the HOUR....

BUT we will know the times, in the sense of the general vicinity.... by certain things that were prophesied would happen....

They did know the day and the hour. Not only did John and his contemporaries know, but Paul and his readers in Thessalonica, just a few years earlier, had an idea of it.

Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need to have anything written to you. For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. But you are not in darkness, brothers, for that day to surprise you like a thief. (1 Thes 5:1-4)

Believers may not have known exactly when tribulation and judgment would occur after Jesus warned them, but they certainly had a sense of their imminence as Roman armies surrounded the capital. The Christians were not in darkness; the day did not surprise them. Paul reminded the Thessalonians of this, but he didn’t have to, for they obviously knew in short order that the day and the hour had come. God preserved the church in Jerusalem when the saints fled to the wilderness by the thousands, largely to the village of Pella. Because they expected the coming judgment they managed to escape it.

Isn't the previous chapter just as relevant to context of today:
1 Thessalonians 4:16
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with "the voice of the archangel", and the Trump of God.

trumpet, not Trump?

6 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.

Nope always said Trump of God look at all the old versions, the later inclination was to make it make sense to what they assumed was trumpet, before it's time it make sense people will always add their translation in assumption and lose the intent message. Also names get blotted out when changed from original language and transliteration. Sometimes they will translate a name to a definition, or vice versa a term for a description or role made into a figure when more then 1 figure can be deemed in that role/term used. Example: Metatron means mediator, a term given Enoch and Michael, but people make that word a new figure.

KJ version uses Trump of God not Trumpet.
Did they have trumpets in the Biblical age whereby blowing of the shofar would have been the wording?

 

[buttercup]

No man will know the time...

no man shall know the DAY or the HOUR....

BUT we will know the times, in the sense of the general vicinity.... by certain things that were prophesied would happen....

They did know the day and the hour. Not only did John and his contemporaries know, but Paul and his readers in Thessalonica, just a few years earlier, had an idea of it.

Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need to have anything written to you. For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. But you are not in darkness, brothers, for that day to surprise you like a thief. (1 Thes 5:1-4)

Believers may not have known exactly when tribulation and judgment would occur after Jesus warned them, but they certainly had a sense of their imminence as Roman armies surrounded the capital. The Christians were not in darkness; the day did not surprise them. Paul reminded the Thessalonians of this, but he didn’t have to, for they obviously knew in short order that the day and the hour had come. God preserved the church in Jerusalem when the saints fled to the wilderness by the thousands, largely to the village of Pella. Because they expected the coming judgment they managed to escape it.

Isn't the previous chapter just as relevant to context of today:
1 Thessalonians 4:16
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with "the voice of the archangel", and the Trump of God.

As relevant as Chapter 5.

Just curious: when he descends, will he descend on a cloud or on a white horse?

Cloud was a poetical biblical expression that meant "Gathering", usually refering to the Gathering of Hosts who's flowing robes looked like puffy white clouds when gathered. Now reread Dan's description in his NIGHT VISION- UNDERSTANDING coming out of or coming with the clouds (gathering of Kohanim) to the Mikdash (up to the gathering in Mt Zion during the procession).

At least you don't say that a cloud is a puff of condensation in the troposphere. Imagining Jesus riding in on such a cloud like a comic book superhero is just nonsense. Comical, even. And heretical.

Jesus came in power and spirit, the way Elijah came.

Clouds of witnesses are clearly identified in the New Testament, and I know the Lord also appeared in clouds of heaven before that, such as when he sent the Medes to drive out the Babylonians (Is 13:17-19). He accompanied Israel in a cloud to judge Egypt (Is 19:1). Nahum referred to clouds as the dust of God’s feet when He judged Nineveh (1:3).

Jesus never said he would come a second time (the letter to the Hebrew Christians refers to him coming a second time in a strictly New Testament context). If Christ was the Rock who followed the faithful in Israel (1 Cor 10:4-5), and if he came at least three times in the New Testament (as a baby in a manger, in his kingdom, and in judgment), then in the grand scheme, there is no "second" coming.

What time is it now from a biblical perspective? It's time for the eternal church to keep her vows to the Lamb in the eternal kingdom. It's time to reap the blessings of the new creation.

We had this discussion before on another thread, and I am not going to get into it with you again. It was like pulling teeth last time, because you refused to answer simple questions, and you refused to acknowledge things that are obvious and plain as day, that I pointed out the last time we had this discussion. In addition to that, you come across as prideful, elitist and condescending. "You shall know them by their fruit."

I've known tons of Christians, and I've never met a single Christian who believes the things you believe. I'd still like to know what denomination you belong to, but you refused to tell me that last time.

I did want to hear people's thoughts on where we're at in the grand scheme of things, but honestly I did not post this thread to get into debates or give people a platform to spout blatantly unbiblical doctrines and mislead others.

So feel free to start a new thread if you want to promote your views. Thanks.

 

[BreezeWood]

No man will know the time...

no man shall know the DAY or the HOUR....

BUT we will know the times, in the sense of the general vicinity.... by certain things that were prophesied would happen....

They did know the day and the hour. Not only did John and his contemporaries know, but Paul and his readers in Thessalonica, just a few years earlier, had an idea of it.

Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need to have anything written to you. For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. But you are not in darkness, brothers, for that day to surprise you like a thief. (1 Thes 5:1-4)

Believers may not have known exactly when tribulation and judgment would occur after Jesus warned them, but they certainly had a sense of their imminence as Roman armies surrounded the capital. The Christians were not in darkness; the day did not surprise them. Paul reminded the Thessalonians of this, but he didn’t have to, for they obviously knew in short order that the day and the hour had come. God preserved the church in Jerusalem when the saints fled to the wilderness by the thousands, largely to the village of Pella. Because they expected the coming judgment they managed to escape it.

Isn't the previous chapter just as relevant to context of today:
1 Thessalonians 4:16
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with "the voice of the archangel", and the Trump of God.

As relevant as Chapter 5.

Just curious: when he descends, will he descend on a cloud or on a white horse?

Cloud was a poetical biblical expression that meant "Gathering", usually refering to the Gathering of Hosts who's flowing robes looked like puffy white clouds when gathered. Now reread Dan's description in his NIGHT VISION- UNDERSTANDING coming out of or coming with the clouds (gathering of Kohanim) to the Mikdash (up to the gathering in Mt Zion during the procession).

At least you don't say that a cloud is a puff of condensation in the troposphere. Imagining Jesus riding in on such a cloud like a comic book superhero is just nonsense. Comical, even. And heretical.

Jesus came in power and spirit, the way Elijah came.

Clouds of witnesses are clearly identified in the New Testament, and I know the Lord also appeared in clouds of heaven before that, such as when he sent the Medes to drive out the Babylonians (Is 13:17-19). He accompanied Israel in a cloud to judge Egypt (Is 19:1). Nahum referred to clouds as the dust of God’s feet when He judged Nineveh (1:3).

Jesus never said he would come a second time (the letter to the Hebrew Christians refers to him coming a second time in a strictly New Testament context). If Christ was the Rock who followed the faithful in Israel (1 Cor 10:4-5), and if he came at least three times in the New Testament (as a baby in a manger, in his kingdom, and in judgment), then in the grand scheme, there is no "second" coming.

What time is it now from a biblical perspective? It's time for the eternal church to keep her vows to the Lamb in the eternal kingdom. It's time to reap the blessings of the new creation.

We had this discussion before on another thread, and I am not going to get into it with you again. It was like pulling teeth last time, because you refused to answer simple questions, and you refused to acknowledge things that are obvious and plain as day, that I pointed out the last time we had this discussion. In addition to that, you come across as prideful, elitist and condescending. "You shall know them by their fruit."

I've known tons of Christians, and I've never met a single Christian who believes the things you believe. I'd still like to know what denomination you belong to, but you refused to tell me that last time.

I did want to hear people's thoughts on where we're at in the grand scheme of things, but honestly I did not post this thread to get into debates or give people a platform to spout blatantly unbiblical doctrines and mislead others.

So feel free to start a new thread if you want to promote your views. Thanks.

So feel free to start a new thread if you want to promote your views. Thanks.

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what else is there for christians than their own forgeries and fallacies ... as recorded throughout history, uninterrupted from the 4th century to the present day.

the 1st century religious itinerant no where claimed to be a messiah that would save anyone. ever, much less 2000 years latter.

 

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No man will know the time...

no man shall know the DAY or the HOUR....

BUT we will know the times, in the sense of the general vicinity.... by certain things that were prophesied would happen....

They did know the day and the hour. Not only did John and his contemporaries know, but Paul and his readers in Thessalonica, just a few years earlier, had an idea of it.

Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need to have anything written to you. For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. But you are not in darkness, brothers, for that day to surprise you like a thief. (1 Thes 5:1-4)

Believers may not have known exactly when tribulation and judgment would occur after Jesus warned them, but they certainly had a sense of their imminence as Roman armies surrounded the capital. The Christians were not in darkness; the day did not surprise them. Paul reminded the Thessalonians of this, but he didn’t have to, for they obviously knew in short order that the day and the hour had come. God preserved the church in Jerusalem when the saints fled to the wilderness by the thousands, largely to the village of Pella. Because they expected the coming judgment they managed to escape it.

Isn't the previous chapter just as relevant to context of today:
1 Thessalonians 4:16
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with "the voice of the archangel", and the Trump of God.

As relevant as Chapter 5.

Just curious: when he descends, will he descend on a cloud or on a white horse?

Cloud was a poetical biblical expression that meant "Gathering", usually refering to the Gathering of Hosts who's flowing robes looked like puffy white clouds when gathered. Now reread Dan's description in his NIGHT VISION- UNDERSTANDING coming out of or coming with the clouds (gathering of Kohanim) to the Mikdash (up to the gathering in Mt Zion during the procession).

At least you don't say that a cloud is a puff of condensation in the troposphere. Imagining Jesus riding in on such a cloud like a comic book superhero is just nonsense. Comical, even. And heretical.

Jesus came in power and spirit, the way Elijah came.

Clouds of witnesses are clearly identified in the New Testament, and I know the Lord also appeared in clouds of heaven before that, such as when he sent the Medes to drive out the Babylonians (Is 13:17-19). He accompanied Israel in a cloud to judge Egypt (Is 19:1). Nahum referred to clouds as the dust of God’s feet when He judged Nineveh (1:3).

Jesus never said he would come a second time (the letter to the Hebrew Christians refers to him coming a second time in a strictly New Testament context). If Christ was the Rock who followed the faithful in Israel (1 Cor 10:4-5), and if he came at least three times in the New Testament (as a baby in a manger, in his kingdom, and in judgment), then in the grand scheme, there is no "second" coming.

What time is it now from a biblical perspective? It's time for the eternal church to keep her vows to the Lamb in the eternal kingdom. It's time to reap the blessings of the new creation.

We had this discussion before on another thread, and I am not going to get into it with you again. It was like pulling teeth last time, because you refused to answer simple questions, and you refused to acknowledge things that are obvious and plain as day, that I pointed out the last time we had this discussion. In addition to that, you come across as prideful, elitist and condescending. "You shall know them by their fruit."

I've known tons of Christians, and I've never met a single Christian who believes the things you believe. I'd still like to know what denomination you belong to, but you refused to tell me that last time.

I did want to hear people's thoughts on where we're at in the grand scheme of things, but honestly I did not post this thread to get into debates or give people a platform to spout blatantly unbiblical doctrines and mislead others.

So feel free to start a new thread if you want to promote your views. Thanks.

So feel free to start a new thread if you want to promote your views. Thanks.

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what else is there for christians than their own forgeries and fallacies ... as recorded throughout history, uninterrupted from the 4th century to the present day.

the 1st century religious itinerant no where claimed to be a messiah that would save anyone. ever, much less 2000 years latter.

Yeah, we already know that's what you believe, you say that about 1000 times on every single religion thread. I stated in the original post that this is for believers or people who are interested in eschatology. If you're just here to repeat the same thing you say on every religion thread, which is completely off topic here, please exit this thread. Thank you.