What was a reason for God to sacrifice His Son?

[Taz]

So god isn’t all powerful? Some shit he can’t stop?

We are never to think of God's power in terms of what he could conceivably do by the exercise of what we may call sheer omnipotence which crushes all obstacles in its path. We are always to think of God's power in terms of his purpose. If what he did by sheer omnipotence defeated his purpose, then, however startling and impressive, it would be an expression of weakness, not of power. Indeed, a good definition of power is "ability to achieve purpose. Does it fulfill its purpose? God's purpose is to achieve a specific outcome under specific conditions.

What purpose do deformed babies have? Cancer? Mental retardation?

And god could have any outcome he wanted without all the threats. If he's actually omnipotent.

So in your universe, unless everything is perfect - a utopia - there can be no God? Am I understanding you correctly, Taz?

That if there are babies that are born with birth defect, there can be no God?

You said god wants a certain outcome, so why the cancer and deformed babies? Why is god wanting that outcome? For what purpose?

If everything in the universe isn't perfect, it doesn't mean there's no god, but that god wanted it that way. Either that, or He's not perfect either. Which is it?

God had 2 choices at the events of Eden--kill the 3 rebels on the spot--no one ever born would have been granted life)-- or let the issues raised against him be proved once and for all time. And weed out all goats--1/3 of the angels fell later--it would have happened over and over--this way it occurs once and never again. Adam and Eve chose to bring bad into this world.

C'mon man, enough with the nonsense. God could have made the universe perfect, so why didn't he? Like, if he didn't want Adam & Eve to eat the apple, why did he put it there? It makes no sense. You're going to say something like to temp them, but what for? Still makes no sense. If I don't want my kids to eat from an apple tree in our yard I simply won't put one there. I won't say "see those delicious apples? If you eat one you're screwed forever, and all of mankind is screwed with you forever". IT MAKES NO SENSE!!! Am I smarter than god or what?

 

[ding]

Peter lived over 125 years before the religion that came out of Rome popped up. No similarities whatsoever to the religion Jesus began.

Peter? You mean the first Pope of the Catholic Church. That Peter?

Saint Peter (Syriac/Aramaic: ܫܸܡܥܘܿܢ ܟܹ݁ܐܦ݂ܵܐ, Shemayon Keppa, Hebrew: שמעון בר יונה‎ Shim'on bar Yona, Greek: Πέτρος Petros, Coptic: ⲡⲉⲧⲣⲟⲥ, translit. Petros, Latin: Petrus; r. AD 30;[1] d. between AD 64 and 68[2]), also known as Simon Peter, Simeon, or Simon ( pronunciation (help·info)), according to the New Testament, was one of the Twelve Apostles of Jesus Christ, leaders of the early Christian Great Church. Pope Gregory I called him repeatedly the "Prince of the Apostles".[3] According to Catholic teaching, Jesus promised Peter in the "Rock of My Church" dialogue in Matthew 16:18 a special position in the Church. He is traditionally counted as the first Bishop of Rome‍—‌or pope‍—‌and also by Eastern Christian tradition as the first Patriarch of Antioch. The ancient Christian churches all venerate Peter as a major saint and as the founder of the Church of Antioch and the Roman Church,[2] but differ in their attitudes regarding the authority of his present-day successors (the primacy of the Bishop of Rome).

Saint Peter - Wikipedia

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: St. Peter, Prince of the Apostles

That is strange--Peter clearly taught--Jesus has a God-his Father( 1Peter 1:3)-- so the teachers that followed his line--teach that truth as well.

"The New Testament is very clear that Jesus was a full human being. He had to grow in wisdom (Lk 2:52) and learn obedience by going through trials, just like every other human being (Heb. 5:8). He grew hungry and tired, like the rest of us. He experienced the same range of emotions as the rest of us and was tempted in all the ways we are (Heb 4:15). He was, in other words, made like us “in every way” (Heb 2:17). Jesus was a full human being. In fact, all indications are that Jesus still is a full human being, albeit in a resurrected and transformed state.

At the same time, the New Testament also clearly teaches us that Jesus is God. John tells us that, while no one has ever seen God as he is in himself, the Word (Jesus), who is himself God, has made him known (Jn. 1:18). Similarly, in his epistle he refers to the Son of God as “the true God” (I Jn 5:20). Along the same lines, Paul refers to Jesus as “God over all” (Rom. 9:5) and “our great God and Savior” (Titus 2:13) while Thomas calls Jesus “Lord” and “God,” and Jesus commends him for his faith (Jn. 20:28)...."

Was Jesus Fully Human and Fully God? - Greg Boyd - ReKnew

You believe lies out of error filled translations.

No, he doesn't believe the lies. He pretends to believe because he is under the delusion that if he lies his ass off and calls it faith until his dying day, even when he gets caught lying red handed, he will receive presents from God.

He probably invested his entire life savings on beenie babies.

Judging others as you judge yourself, brother?

Or just grinding your ax on beliefs that offend you?

 

[ding]

You should tell Jesus that.

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Peter lived over 125 years before the religion that came out of Rome popped up. No similarities whatsoever to the religion Jesus began.

Peter? You mean the first Pope of the Catholic Church. That Peter?

Saint Peter (Syriac/Aramaic: ܫܸܡܥܘܿܢ ܟܹ݁ܐܦ݂ܵܐ, Shemayon Keppa, Hebrew: שמעון בר יונה‎ Shim'on bar Yona, Greek: Πέτρος Petros, Coptic: ⲡⲉⲧⲣⲟⲥ, translit. Petros, Latin: Petrus; r. AD 30;[1] d. between AD 64 and 68[2]), also known as Simon Peter, Simeon, or Simon ( pronunciation (help·info)), according to the New Testament, was one of the Twelve Apostles of Jesus Christ, leaders of the early Christian Great Church. Pope Gregory I called him repeatedly the "Prince of the Apostles".[3] According to Catholic teaching, Jesus promised Peter in the "Rock of My Church" dialogue in Matthew 16:18 a special position in the Church. He is traditionally counted as the first Bishop of Rome‍—‌or pope‍—‌and also by Eastern Christian tradition as the first Patriarch of Antioch. The ancient Christian churches all venerate Peter as a major saint and as the founder of the Church of Antioch and the Roman Church,[2] but differ in their attitudes regarding the authority of his present-day successors (the primacy of the Bishop of Rome).

Saint Peter - Wikipedia

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: St. Peter, Prince of the Apostles

That is strange--Peter clearly taught--Jesus has a God-his Father( 1Peter 1:3)-- so the teachers that followed his line--teach that truth as well.

"The New Testament is very clear that Jesus was a full human being. He had to grow in wisdom (Lk 2:52) and learn obedience by going through trials, just like every other human being (Heb. 5:8). He grew hungry and tired, like the rest of us. He experienced the same range of emotions as the rest of us and was tempted in all the ways we are (Heb 4:15). He was, in other words, made like us “in every way” (Heb 2:17). Jesus was a full human being. In fact, all indications are that Jesus still is a full human being, albeit in a resurrected and transformed state.

At the same time, the New Testament also clearly teaches us that Jesus is God. John tells us that, while no one has ever seen God as he is in himself, the Word (Jesus), who is himself God, has made him known (Jn. 1:18). Similarly, in his epistle he refers to the Son of God as “the true God” (I Jn 5:20). Along the same lines, Paul refers to Jesus as “God over all” (Rom. 9:5) and “our great God and Savior” (Titus 2:13) while Thomas calls Jesus “Lord” and “God,” and Jesus commends him for his faith (Jn. 20:28)...."

Was Jesus Fully Human and Fully God? - Greg Boyd - ReKnew

You believe lies out of error filled translations.

The strongest support for our beliefs come from Tradition.

 

[ding]

Evil is not extant.

Not sure I know what you mean by that, are you saying that evil wasn't created at Creation and someone else brought it into god's creation?

I am saying that like darkness or cold, evil does not exist. Darkness, cold and evil are are the absence of something else.

Darkness and cold don't exist? Of course they do, they are called nightime and winter. Both are provable. As for evil, I guess Hitler never existed. The Jews are going to be SOOOO happy.

Sorry, you need to take a science class.

Cold is the absence of heat.

Darkness is the absence of light.

Neither exists on their own, they exist as the absence of something else.

Now do you understand?

Darkness doesn’t need anything to exist.

Cold is the natural state of the universe. It’s the things in it that give off heat.

Do you have any proof for that? Lol.

 

[ding]

And yet, John leaped in his mother's womb before the presence of the Word of God, just as David leaped and danced before the Ark of the Covenant which housed the Word of God.

Do you know if the Jews believed that the Covenant of the Ark housed God himself?

I doubt the Jews thought God lived in the Ark.
Since you believe they did--They have been telling your teachers for centuries--NO TRINITY GOD EXISTS--you wont believe them about that.

So you think you know what I believe because I asked a question? Interesting.

One of my favorite passages is when David - after building a palace for himself - laments that the Ark of the Covenant is still under a tent. Are you familiar with this passage and God's response?

The Ark of the Covenant is nothing more than a myth.

Kind of like your belief that God can't exist unless there are no deformed babies or cancer or anything bad?

Never said that.

But you are arguing that. So is that what you believe?

 

[ding]

We are never to think of God's power in terms of what he could conceivably do by the exercise of what we may call sheer omnipotence which crushes all obstacles in its path. We are always to think of God's power in terms of his purpose. If what he did by sheer omnipotence defeated his purpose, then, however startling and impressive, it would be an expression of weakness, not of power. Indeed, a good definition of power is "ability to achieve purpose. Does it fulfill its purpose? God's purpose is to achieve a specific outcome under specific conditions.

What purpose do deformed babies have? Cancer? Mental retardation?

And god could have any outcome he wanted without all the threats. If he's actually omnipotent.

So in your universe, unless everything is perfect - a utopia - there can be no God? Am I understanding you correctly, Taz?

That if there are babies that are born with birth defect, there can be no God?

You said god wants a certain outcome, so why the cancer and deformed babies? Why is god wanting that outcome? For what purpose?

If everything in the universe isn't perfect, it doesn't mean there's no god, but that god wanted it that way. Either that, or He's not perfect either. Which is it?

Sorry, but if you don't believe that God cannot exist unless there are no deformed babies, you are literally making an argument you don't believe.

So which is it? Can God exist if deformed babies exist? Or is it impossible for God to exist unless there are no deformed babies?

I just said that god can exist if deformed babies exist but that god either wants it like that(why?), or he’s not perfect either.

Also failed logic.

 

[hobelim]

We are never to think of God's power in terms of what he could conceivably do by the exercise of what we may call sheer omnipotence which crushes all obstacles in its path. We are always to think of God's power in terms of his purpose. If what he did by sheer omnipotence defeated his purpose, then, however startling and impressive, it would be an expression of weakness, not of power. Indeed, a good definition of power is "ability to achieve purpose. Does it fulfill its purpose? God's purpose is to achieve a specific outcome under specific conditions.

What purpose do deformed babies have? Cancer? Mental retardation?

And god could have any outcome he wanted without all the threats. If he's actually omnipotent.

So in your universe, unless everything is perfect - a utopia - there can be no God? Am I understanding you correctly, Taz?

That if there are babies that are born with birth defect, there can be no God?

You said god wants a certain outcome, so why the cancer and deformed babies? Why is god wanting that outcome? For what purpose?

If everything in the universe isn't perfect, it doesn't mean there's no god, but that god wanted it that way. Either that, or He's not perfect either. Which is it?

God had 2 choices at the events of Eden--kill the 3 rebels on the spot--no one ever born would have been granted life)-- or let the issues raised against him be proved once and for all time. And weed out all goats--1/3 of the angels fell later--it would have happened over and over--this way it occurs once and never again. Adam and Eve chose to bring bad into this world.

C'mon man, enough with the nonsense. God could have made the universe perfect, so why didn't he? Like, if he didn't want Adam & Eve to eat the apple, why did he put it there? It makes no sense. You're going to say something like to temp them, but what for? Still makes no sense. If I don't want my kids to eat from an apple tree in our yard I simply won't put one there. Am I smarter than god or what?

The universe is perfect. The forbidden tree was always here on earth like a criminal banished to a maximum security prison planet. People were just given the awareness to avoid it and the way to subdue it, courtesy of an otherworldly source, around 6000 years ago. Before that the earth was without form and void, and darkness covered the face of the deep.


Obviously you have been munching on the forbidden fruit, otherwise you wouldn't be so confused about everything, and obsessed with innocent babies, homos, and kangaroos, and, apparently, you don't even know it.

How smart is that?

 

[ding]

We are never to think of God's power in terms of what he could conceivably do by the exercise of what we may call sheer omnipotence which crushes all obstacles in its path. We are always to think of God's power in terms of his purpose. If what he did by sheer omnipotence defeated his purpose, then, however startling and impressive, it would be an expression of weakness, not of power. Indeed, a good definition of power is "ability to achieve purpose. Does it fulfill its purpose? God's purpose is to achieve a specific outcome under specific conditions.

What purpose do deformed babies have? Cancer? Mental retardation?

And god could have any outcome he wanted without all the threats. If he's actually omnipotent.

So in your universe, unless everything is perfect - a utopia - there can be no God? Am I understanding you correctly, Taz?

That if there are babies that are born with birth defect, there can be no God?

You said god wants a certain outcome, so why the cancer and deformed babies? Why is god wanting that outcome? For what purpose?

If everything in the universe isn't perfect, it doesn't mean there's no god, but that god wanted it that way. Either that, or He's not perfect either. Which is it?

Sorry, but if you don't believe that God cannot exist unless there are no deformed babies, you are literally making an argument you don't believe.

So which is it? Can God exist if deformed babies exist? Or is it impossible for God to exist unless there are no deformed babies?

I just said that god can exist if deformed babies exist but that god either wants it like that(why?), or he’s not perfect either.

And, no. You never said that.

 

[DOTR]

The strongest support for our beliefs come from Tradition.

Yes indeed. Without Tradition there is no truth.

"... the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth."

 

[BS Filter]

Peter lived over 125 years before the religion that came out of Rome popped up. No similarities whatsoever to the religion Jesus began.

Peter? You mean the first Pope of the Catholic Church. That Peter?

Saint Peter (Syriac/Aramaic: ܫܸܡܥܘܿܢ ܟܹ݁ܐܦ݂ܵܐ, Shemayon Keppa, Hebrew: שמעון בר יונה‎ Shim'on bar Yona, Greek: Πέτρος Petros, Coptic: ⲡⲉⲧⲣⲟⲥ, translit. Petros, Latin: Petrus; r. AD 30;[1] d. between AD 64 and 68[2]), also known as Simon Peter, Simeon, or Simon ( pronunciation (help·info)), according to the New Testament, was one of the Twelve Apostles of Jesus Christ, leaders of the early Christian Great Church. Pope Gregory I called him repeatedly the "Prince of the Apostles".[3] According to Catholic teaching, Jesus promised Peter in the "Rock of My Church" dialogue in Matthew 16:18 a special position in the Church. He is traditionally counted as the first Bishop of Rome‍—‌or pope‍—‌and also by Eastern Christian tradition as the first Patriarch of Antioch. The ancient Christian churches all venerate Peter as a major saint and as the founder of the Church of Antioch and the Roman Church,[2] but differ in their attitudes regarding the authority of his present-day successors (the primacy of the Bishop of Rome).

Saint Peter - Wikipedia

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: St. Peter, Prince of the Apostles

That is strange--Peter clearly taught--Jesus has a God-his Father( 1Peter 1:3)-- so the teachers that followed his line--teach that truth as well.

"The New Testament is very clear that Jesus was a full human being. He had to grow in wisdom (Lk 2:52) and learn obedience by going through trials, just like every other human being (Heb. 5:8). He grew hungry and tired, like the rest of us. He experienced the same range of emotions as the rest of us and was tempted in all the ways we are (Heb 4:15). He was, in other words, made like us “in every way” (Heb 2:17). Jesus was a full human being. In fact, all indications are that Jesus still is a full human being, albeit in a resurrected and transformed state.

At the same time, the New Testament also clearly teaches us that Jesus is God. John tells us that, while no one has ever seen God as he is in himself, the Word (Jesus), who is himself God, has made him known (Jn. 1:18). Similarly, in his epistle he refers to the Son of God as “the true God” (I Jn 5:20). Along the same lines, Paul refers to Jesus as “God over all” (Rom. 9:5) and “our great God and Savior” (Titus 2:13) while Thomas calls Jesus “Lord” and “God,” and Jesus commends him for his faith (Jn. 20:28)...."

Was Jesus Fully Human and Fully God? - Greg Boyd - ReKnew

You believe lies out of error filled translations.

The strongest support for our beliefs come from Tradition.

Peter lived over 125 years before the religion that came out of Rome popped up. No similarities whatsoever to the religion Jesus began.

Peter? You mean the first Pope of the Catholic Church. That Peter?

Saint Peter (Syriac/Aramaic: ܫܸܡܥܘܿܢ ܟܹ݁ܐܦ݂ܵܐ, Shemayon Keppa, Hebrew: שמעון בר יונה‎ Shim'on bar Yona, Greek: Πέτρος Petros, Coptic: ⲡⲉⲧⲣⲟⲥ, translit. Petros, Latin: Petrus; r. AD 30;[1] d. between AD 64 and 68[2]), also known as Simon Peter, Simeon, or Simon ( pronunciation (help·info)), according to the New Testament, was one of the Twelve Apostles of Jesus Christ, leaders of the early Christian Great Church. Pope Gregory I called him repeatedly the "Prince of the Apostles".[3] According to Catholic teaching, Jesus promised Peter in the "Rock of My Church" dialogue in Matthew 16:18 a special position in the Church. He is traditionally counted as the first Bishop of Rome‍—‌or pope‍—‌and also by Eastern Christian tradition as the first Patriarch of Antioch. The ancient Christian churches all venerate Peter as a major saint and as the founder of the Church of Antioch and the Roman Church,[2] but differ in their attitudes regarding the authority of his present-day successors (the primacy of the Bishop of Rome).

Saint Peter - Wikipedia

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: St. Peter, Prince of the Apostles

That is strange--Peter clearly taught--Jesus has a God-his Father( 1Peter 1:3)-- so the teachers that followed his line--teach that truth as well.

"The New Testament is very clear that Jesus was a full human being. He had to grow in wisdom (Lk 2:52) and learn obedience by going through trials, just like every other human being (Heb. 5:8). He grew hungry and tired, like the rest of us. He experienced the same range of emotions as the rest of us and was tempted in all the ways we are (Heb 4:15). He was, in other words, made like us “in every way” (Heb 2:17). Jesus was a full human being. In fact, all indications are that Jesus still is a full human being, albeit in a resurrected and transformed state.

At the same time, the New Testament also clearly teaches us that Jesus is God. John tells us that, while no one has ever seen God as he is in himself, the Word (Jesus), who is himself God, has made him known (Jn. 1:18). Similarly, in his epistle he refers to the Son of God as “the true God” (I Jn 5:20). Along the same lines, Paul refers to Jesus as “God over all” (Rom. 9:5) and “our great God and Savior” (Titus 2:13) while Thomas calls Jesus “Lord” and “God,” and Jesus commends him for his faith (Jn. 20:28)...."

Was Jesus Fully Human and Fully God? - Greg Boyd - ReKnew

You believe lies out of error filled translations.

The strongest support for our beliefs come from Tradition.

That's the problem with the Catholic church. A Christian church should follow Scripture.

Mark 7:13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that."

Matthew 15:1-9 1Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2"Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash their hands before they eat!" 3Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.' 5But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is 'devoted to God,' 6they are not to 'honor their father or mother' with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 8"'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 9They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.'"

 

[dannyboys]

"I think I'll create mankind knowing full well they will be 'sinners' who will have to ask for my forgiveness so they can get into my Heaven. If they don't I send them to Hell". To me that sounds a lot like someone who needs mental help. Watch out butterflies!

 

[dannyboys]

What purpose do deformed babies have? Cancer? Mental retardation?

And god could have any outcome he wanted without all the threats. If he's actually omnipotent.

So in your universe, unless everything is perfect - a utopia - there can be no God? Am I understanding you correctly, Taz?

That if there are babies that are born with birth defect, there can be no God?

You said god wants a certain outcome, so why the cancer and deformed babies? Why is god wanting that outcome? For what purpose?

If everything in the universe isn't perfect, it doesn't mean there's no god, but that god wanted it that way. Either that, or He's not perfect either. Which is it?

God had 2 choices at the events of Eden--kill the 3 rebels on the spot--no one ever born would have been granted life)-- or let the issues raised against him be proved once and for all time. And weed out all goats--1/3 of the angels fell later--it would have happened over and over--this way it occurs once and never again. Adam and Eve chose to bring bad into this world.

C'mon man, enough with the nonsense. God could have made the universe perfect, so why didn't he? Like, if he didn't want Adam & Eve to eat the apple, why did he put it there? It makes no sense. You're going to say something like to temp them, but what for? Still makes no sense. If I don't want my kids to eat from an apple tree in our yard I simply won't put one there. Am I smarter than god or what?

The universe is perfect. The forbidden tree was always here on earth like a criminal banished to a maximum security prison planet. People were just given the awareness to avoid it and the way to subdue it, courtesy of an otherworldly source, around 6000 years ago. Before that the earth was without form and void, and darkness covered the face of the deep.


Obviously you have been munching on the forbidden fruit, otherwise you wouldn't be so confused about everything, and obsessed with innocent babies, homos, and kangaroos, and, apparently, you don't even know it.

How smart is that?

So you believe that about 6000 years ago GOD showed up and plunked Adam and Eve down into a beautiful garden. You are in serious need of mental help pal.

 

[hobelim]

Peter? You mean the first Pope of the Catholic Church. That Peter?

Saint Peter (Syriac/Aramaic: ܫܸܡܥܘܿܢ ܟܹ݁ܐܦ݂ܵܐ, Shemayon Keppa, Hebrew: שמעון בר יונה‎ Shim'on bar Yona, Greek: Πέτρος Petros, Coptic: ⲡⲉⲧⲣⲟⲥ, translit. Petros, Latin: Petrus; r. AD 30;[1] d. between AD 64 and 68[2]), also known as Simon Peter, Simeon, or Simon ( pronunciation (help·info)), according to the New Testament, was one of the Twelve Apostles of Jesus Christ, leaders of the early Christian Great Church. Pope Gregory I called him repeatedly the "Prince of the Apostles".[3] According to Catholic teaching, Jesus promised Peter in the "Rock of My Church" dialogue in Matthew 16:18 a special position in the Church. He is traditionally counted as the first Bishop of Rome‍—‌or pope‍—‌and also by Eastern Christian tradition as the first Patriarch of Antioch. The ancient Christian churches all venerate Peter as a major saint and as the founder of the Church of Antioch and the Roman Church,[2] but differ in their attitudes regarding the authority of his present-day successors (the primacy of the Bishop of Rome).

Saint Peter - Wikipedia

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: St. Peter, Prince of the Apostles

That is strange--Peter clearly taught--Jesus has a God-his Father( 1Peter 1:3)-- so the teachers that followed his line--teach that truth as well.

"The New Testament is very clear that Jesus was a full human being. He had to grow in wisdom (Lk 2:52) and learn obedience by going through trials, just like every other human being (Heb. 5:8). He grew hungry and tired, like the rest of us. He experienced the same range of emotions as the rest of us and was tempted in all the ways we are (Heb 4:15). He was, in other words, made like us “in every way” (Heb 2:17). Jesus was a full human being. In fact, all indications are that Jesus still is a full human being, albeit in a resurrected and transformed state.

At the same time, the New Testament also clearly teaches us that Jesus is God. John tells us that, while no one has ever seen God as he is in himself, the Word (Jesus), who is himself God, has made him known (Jn. 1:18). Similarly, in his epistle he refers to the Son of God as “the true God” (I Jn 5:20). Along the same lines, Paul refers to Jesus as “God over all” (Rom. 9:5) and “our great God and Savior” (Titus 2:13) while Thomas calls Jesus “Lord” and “God,” and Jesus commends him for his faith (Jn. 20:28)...."

Was Jesus Fully Human and Fully God? - Greg Boyd - ReKnew

You believe lies out of error filled translations.

No, he doesn't believe the lies. He pretends to believe because he is under the delusion that if he lies his ass off and calls it faith until his dying day, even when he gets caught lying red handed, he will receive presents from God.

He probably invested his entire life savings on beenie babies.

Judging others as you judge yourself, brother?

Or just grinding your ax on beliefs that offend you?

Well, I was walking along minding my own business and notice you shrieking and flailing about with your head on fire one day... I figured it was the right thing to do to alert you to the cause of your torment and distress..

I am just being neighborly.

You have a problem with that?

Would you rather I just stood here and did nothing but laugh at you while you slowly disintegrated into nothingness?

 

[hobelim]

So in your universe, unless everything is perfect - a utopia - there can be no God? Am I understanding you correctly, Taz?

That if there are babies that are born with birth defect, there can be no God?

You said god wants a certain outcome, so why the cancer and deformed babies? Why is god wanting that outcome? For what purpose?

If everything in the universe isn't perfect, it doesn't mean there's no god, but that god wanted it that way. Either that, or He's not perfect either. Which is it?

God had 2 choices at the events of Eden--kill the 3 rebels on the spot--no one ever born would have been granted life)-- or let the issues raised against him be proved once and for all time. And weed out all goats--1/3 of the angels fell later--it would have happened over and over--this way it occurs once and never again. Adam and Eve chose to bring bad into this world.

C'mon man, enough with the nonsense. God could have made the universe perfect, so why didn't he? Like, if he didn't want Adam & Eve to eat the apple, why did he put it there? It makes no sense. You're going to say something like to temp them, but what for? Still makes no sense. If I don't want my kids to eat from an apple tree in our yard I simply won't put one there. Am I smarter than god or what?

The universe is perfect. The forbidden tree was always here on earth like a criminal banished to a maximum security prison planet. People were just given the awareness to avoid it and the way to subdue it, courtesy of an otherworldly source, around 6000 years ago. Before that the earth was without form and void, and darkness covered the face of the deep.


Obviously you have been munching on the forbidden fruit, otherwise you wouldn't be so confused about everything, and obsessed with innocent babies, homos, and kangaroos, and, apparently, you don't even know it.

How smart is that?

So you believe that about 6000 years ago GOD showed up and plunked Adam and Eve down into a beautiful garden. You are in serious need of mental help pal.

No, Moses made contact with an other worldly intelligence, learned a better way to understand and live a fruitful peaceful and fulfilled life on earth (as it is in heaven) instead of being impulse driven unthinking violent and self destructive animals, and wrote a fairy tale and a book of detailed instructions so that anyone who wanted to could do it too and by doing so become a new more highly evolved and refined creature.

 

[Taz]

What purpose do deformed babies have? Cancer? Mental retardation?

And god could have any outcome he wanted without all the threats. If he's actually omnipotent.

So in your universe, unless everything is perfect - a utopia - there can be no God? Am I understanding you correctly, Taz?

That if there are babies that are born with birth defect, there can be no God?

You said god wants a certain outcome, so why the cancer and deformed babies? Why is god wanting that outcome? For what purpose?

If everything in the universe isn't perfect, it doesn't mean there's no god, but that god wanted it that way. Either that, or He's not perfect either. Which is it?

Sorry, but if you don't believe that God cannot exist unless there are no deformed babies, you are literally making an argument you don't believe.

So which is it? Can God exist if deformed babies exist? Or is it impossible for God to exist unless there are no deformed babies?

I just said that god can exist if deformed babies exist but that god either wants it like that(why?), or he’s not perfect either.

Also failed logic.

Why?

 

[Taz]

What purpose do deformed babies have? Cancer? Mental retardation?

And god could have any outcome he wanted without all the threats. If he's actually omnipotent.

So in your universe, unless everything is perfect - a utopia - there can be no God? Am I understanding you correctly, Taz?

That if there are babies that are born with birth defect, there can be no God?

You said god wants a certain outcome, so why the cancer and deformed babies? Why is god wanting that outcome? For what purpose?

If everything in the universe isn't perfect, it doesn't mean there's no god, but that god wanted it that way. Either that, or He's not perfect either. Which is it?

God had 2 choices at the events of Eden--kill the 3 rebels on the spot--no one ever born would have been granted life)-- or let the issues raised against him be proved once and for all time. And weed out all goats--1/3 of the angels fell later--it would have happened over and over--this way it occurs once and never again. Adam and Eve chose to bring bad into this world.

C'mon man, enough with the nonsense. God could have made the universe perfect, so why didn't he? Like, if he didn't want Adam & Eve to eat the apple, why did he put it there? It makes no sense. You're going to say something like to temp them, but what for? Still makes no sense. If I don't want my kids to eat from an apple tree in our yard I simply won't put one there. Am I smarter than god or what?

The universe is perfect. The forbidden tree was always here on earth like a criminal banished to a maximum security prison planet. People were just given the awareness to avoid it and the way to subdue it, courtesy of an otherworldly source, around 6000 years ago. Before that the earth was without form and void, and darkness covered the face of the deep.


Obviously you have been munching on the forbidden fruit, otherwise you wouldn't be so confused about everything, and obsessed with innocent babies, homos, and kangaroos, and, apparently, you don't even know it.

How smart is that?

Fuck man, you want confused, read your first paragraph again. ^^^^^

 

[Taz]

You said god wants a certain outcome, so why the cancer and deformed babies? Why is god wanting that outcome? For what purpose?

If everything in the universe isn't perfect, it doesn't mean there's no god, but that god wanted it that way. Either that, or He's not perfect either. Which is it?

God had 2 choices at the events of Eden--kill the 3 rebels on the spot--no one ever born would have been granted life)-- or let the issues raised against him be proved once and for all time. And weed out all goats--1/3 of the angels fell later--it would have happened over and over--this way it occurs once and never again. Adam and Eve chose to bring bad into this world.

C'mon man, enough with the nonsense. God could have made the universe perfect, so why didn't he? Like, if he didn't want Adam & Eve to eat the apple, why did he put it there? It makes no sense. You're going to say something like to temp them, but what for? Still makes no sense. If I don't want my kids to eat from an apple tree in our yard I simply won't put one there. Am I smarter than god or what?

The universe is perfect. The forbidden tree was always here on earth like a criminal banished to a maximum security prison planet. People were just given the awareness to avoid it and the way to subdue it, courtesy of an otherworldly source, around 6000 years ago. Before that the earth was without form and void, and darkness covered the face of the deep.


Obviously you have been munching on the forbidden fruit, otherwise you wouldn't be so confused about everything, and obsessed with innocent babies, homos, and kangaroos, and, apparently, you don't even know it.

How smart is that?

So you believe that about 6000 years ago GOD showed up and plunked Adam and Eve down into a beautiful garden. You are in serious need of mental help pal.

No, Moses made contact with an other worldly intelligence, learned a better way to understand and live a fruitful peaceful and fulfilled life on earth (as it is in heaven) instead of being impulse driven unthinking violent and self destructive animals, and wrote a fairy tale and a book of detailed instructions so that anyone who wanted to could do it too and by doing so become a new more highly evolved and refined creature.

So Moses was in contact with aliens? NOW, you’re starting to make some sense.

 

[hobelim]

So in your universe, unless everything is perfect - a utopia - there can be no God? Am I understanding you correctly, Taz?

That if there are babies that are born with birth defect, there can be no God?

You said god wants a certain outcome, so why the cancer and deformed babies? Why is god wanting that outcome? For what purpose?

If everything in the universe isn't perfect, it doesn't mean there's no god, but that god wanted it that way. Either that, or He's not perfect either. Which is it?

God had 2 choices at the events of Eden--kill the 3 rebels on the spot--no one ever born would have been granted life)-- or let the issues raised against him be proved once and for all time. And weed out all goats--1/3 of the angels fell later--it would have happened over and over--this way it occurs once and never again. Adam and Eve chose to bring bad into this world.

C'mon man, enough with the nonsense. God could have made the universe perfect, so why didn't he? Like, if he didn't want Adam & Eve to eat the apple, why did he put it there? It makes no sense. You're going to say something like to temp them, but what for? Still makes no sense. If I don't want my kids to eat from an apple tree in our yard I simply won't put one there. Am I smarter than god or what?

The universe is perfect. The forbidden tree was always here on earth like a criminal banished to a maximum security prison planet. People were just given the awareness to avoid it and the way to subdue it, courtesy of an otherworldly source, around 6000 years ago. Before that the earth was without form and void, and darkness covered the face of the deep.


Obviously you have been munching on the forbidden fruit, otherwise you wouldn't be so confused about everything, and obsessed with innocent babies, homos, and kangaroos, and, apparently, you don't even know it.

How smart is that?

Fuck man, you want confused, read your first paragraph again. ^^^^^

You have confused the story of genesis, the creation of heaven and earth, with the beginning of the universe.

The story of genesis has absolutely nothing whatever to do with whatever may have caused the beginning of the universe or solar system..

 

[hobelim]

God had 2 choices at the events of Eden--kill the 3 rebels on the spot--no one ever born would have been granted life)-- or let the issues raised against him be proved once and for all time. And weed out all goats--1/3 of the angels fell later--it would have happened over and over--this way it occurs once and never again. Adam and Eve chose to bring bad into this world.

C'mon man, enough with the nonsense. God could have made the universe perfect, so why didn't he? Like, if he didn't want Adam & Eve to eat the apple, why did he put it there? It makes no sense. You're going to say something like to temp them, but what for? Still makes no sense. If I don't want my kids to eat from an apple tree in our yard I simply won't put one there. Am I smarter than god or what?

The universe is perfect. The forbidden tree was always here on earth like a criminal banished to a maximum security prison planet. People were just given the awareness to avoid it and the way to subdue it, courtesy of an otherworldly source, around 6000 years ago. Before that the earth was without form and void, and darkness covered the face of the deep.


Obviously you have been munching on the forbidden fruit, otherwise you wouldn't be so confused about everything, and obsessed with innocent babies, homos, and kangaroos, and, apparently, you don't even know it.

How smart is that?

So you believe that about 6000 years ago GOD showed up and plunked Adam and Eve down into a beautiful garden. You are in serious need of mental help pal.

No, Moses made contact with an other worldly intelligence, learned a better way to understand and live a fruitful peaceful and fulfilled life on earth (as it is in heaven) instead of being impulse driven unthinking violent and self destructive animals, and wrote a fairy tale and a book of detailed instructions so that anyone who wanted to could do it too and by doing so become a new more highly evolved and refined creature.

So Moses was in contact with aliens? NOW, you’re starting to make some sense.

Thats exactly what the story openly says..... in modern english.


Knowing that the Law came into this world which was already in chaos from a realm of higher intelligences should be enough reason to search for deeper meanings that actually reflect the wisdom of a superior intelligence...

Would a superior intelligence, what people call God, teach people about three hairs on the back of the neck removed from baboons to avoid the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate because it was concerned about our diet or our mental health?

 

[Taz]

You said god wants a certain outcome, so why the cancer and deformed babies? Why is god wanting that outcome? For what purpose?

If everything in the universe isn't perfect, it doesn't mean there's no god, but that god wanted it that way. Either that, or He's not perfect either. Which is it?

God had 2 choices at the events of Eden--kill the 3 rebels on the spot--no one ever born would have been granted life)-- or let the issues raised against him be proved once and for all time. And weed out all goats--1/3 of the angels fell later--it would have happened over and over--this way it occurs once and never again. Adam and Eve chose to bring bad into this world.

C'mon man, enough with the nonsense. God could have made the universe perfect, so why didn't he? Like, if he didn't want Adam & Eve to eat the apple, why did he put it there? It makes no sense. You're going to say something like to temp them, but what for? Still makes no sense. If I don't want my kids to eat from an apple tree in our yard I simply won't put one there. Am I smarter than god or what?

The universe is perfect. The forbidden tree was always here on earth like a criminal banished to a maximum security prison planet. People were just given the awareness to avoid it and the way to subdue it, courtesy of an otherworldly source, around 6000 years ago. Before that the earth was without form and void, and darkness covered the face of the deep.


Obviously you have been munching on the forbidden fruit, otherwise you wouldn't be so confused about everything, and obsessed with innocent babies, homos, and kangaroos, and, apparently, you don't even know it.

How smart is that?

Fuck man, you want confused, read your first paragraph again. ^^^^^

You have confused the story of genesis, the creation of heaven and earth, with the beginning of the universe.

The story of genesis has absolutely nothing whatever to do with whatever may have caused the beginning of the universe or solar system..

Look, everyone of you biblers has a different interpretation of it, I've seen you guys arguing about different meanings... Like seriously, how do you know that your interpretation is the right one? Where's the beef?