What was a reason for God to sacrifice His Son?

[hobelim]

God had 2 choices at the events of Eden--kill the 3 rebels on the spot--no one ever born would have been granted life)-- or let the issues raised against him be proved once and for all time. And weed out all goats--1/3 of the angels fell later--it would have happened over and over--this way it occurs once and never again. Adam and Eve chose to bring bad into this world.

C'mon man, enough with the nonsense. God could have made the universe perfect, so why didn't he? Like, if he didn't want Adam & Eve to eat the apple, why did he put it there? It makes no sense. You're going to say something like to temp them, but what for? Still makes no sense. If I don't want my kids to eat from an apple tree in our yard I simply won't put one there. Am I smarter than god or what?

The universe is perfect. The forbidden tree was always here on earth like a criminal banished to a maximum security prison planet. People were just given the awareness to avoid it and the way to subdue it, courtesy of an otherworldly source, around 6000 years ago. Before that the earth was without form and void, and darkness covered the face of the deep.


Obviously you have been munching on the forbidden fruit, otherwise you wouldn't be so confused about everything, and obsessed with innocent babies, homos, and kangaroos, and, apparently, you don't even know it.

How smart is that?

Fuck man, you want confused, read your first paragraph again. ^^^^^

You have confused the story of genesis, the creation of heaven and earth, with the beginning of the universe.

The story of genesis has absolutely nothing whatever to do with whatever may have caused the beginning of the universe or solar system..

Look, everyone of you biblers has a different interpretation of it, I've seen you guys arguing about different meanings... Like seriously, how do you know that your interpretation is the right one? Where's the beef?

Someone who plants a zillion seeds only tends to the ones that grow.,

 

[Taz]

C'mon man, enough with the nonsense. God could have made the universe perfect, so why didn't he? Like, if he didn't want Adam & Eve to eat the apple, why did he put it there? It makes no sense. You're going to say something like to temp them, but what for? Still makes no sense. If I don't want my kids to eat from an apple tree in our yard I simply won't put one there. Am I smarter than god or what?

The universe is perfect. The forbidden tree was always here on earth like a criminal banished to a maximum security prison planet. People were just given the awareness to avoid it and the way to subdue it, courtesy of an otherworldly source, around 6000 years ago. Before that the earth was without form and void, and darkness covered the face of the deep.


Obviously you have been munching on the forbidden fruit, otherwise you wouldn't be so confused about everything, and obsessed with innocent babies, homos, and kangaroos, and, apparently, you don't even know it.

How smart is that?

So you believe that about 6000 years ago GOD showed up and plunked Adam and Eve down into a beautiful garden. You are in serious need of mental help pal.

No, Moses made contact with an other worldly intelligence, learned a better way to understand and live a fruitful peaceful and fulfilled life on earth (as it is in heaven) instead of being impulse driven unthinking violent and self destructive animals, and wrote a fairy tale and a book of detailed instructions so that anyone who wanted to could do it too and by doing so become a new more highly evolved and refined creature.

So Moses was in contact with aliens? NOW, you’re starting to make some sense.

Thats exactly what the story openly says..... in modern english.


Knowing that the Law came into this world which was already in chaos from a realm of higher intelligences should be enough reason to search for deeper meanings that actually reflect the wisdom of a superior intelligence...

Would a superior intelligence, what people call God, teach people about three hairs on the back of the neck removed from baboons to avoid the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate because it was concerned about our diet or our mental health?

"Would a superior intelligence, what people call God, teach people about three hairs on the back of the neck removed from baboons to avoid the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate because they were concerned about our diet or our mental health?" This makes no sense at all, totally made up.

And I AM searching for deeper meaning and higher intelligence of a god, but you ain't got it, brah.

 

[Taz]

C'mon man, enough with the nonsense. God could have made the universe perfect, so why didn't he? Like, if he didn't want Adam & Eve to eat the apple, why did he put it there? It makes no sense. You're going to say something like to temp them, but what for? Still makes no sense. If I don't want my kids to eat from an apple tree in our yard I simply won't put one there. Am I smarter than god or what?

The universe is perfect. The forbidden tree was always here on earth like a criminal banished to a maximum security prison planet. People were just given the awareness to avoid it and the way to subdue it, courtesy of an otherworldly source, around 6000 years ago. Before that the earth was without form and void, and darkness covered the face of the deep.


Obviously you have been munching on the forbidden fruit, otherwise you wouldn't be so confused about everything, and obsessed with innocent babies, homos, and kangaroos, and, apparently, you don't even know it.

How smart is that?

Fuck man, you want confused, read your first paragraph again. ^^^^^

You have confused the story of genesis, the creation of heaven and earth, with the beginning of the universe.

The story of genesis has absolutely nothing whatever to do with whatever may have caused the beginning of the universe or solar system..

Look, everyone of you biblers has a different interpretation of it, I've seen you guys arguing about different meanings... Like seriously, how do you know that your interpretation is the right one? Where's the beef?

Someone who plants a zillion seeds only tends to the ones that grow.,

So no beef, just more gobbledygook. Got it. Shows your uncertainty though not being able to respond properly, I must say.

 

[hobelim]

The universe is perfect. The forbidden tree was always here on earth like a criminal banished to a maximum security prison planet. People were just given the awareness to avoid it and the way to subdue it, courtesy of an otherworldly source, around 6000 years ago. Before that the earth was without form and void, and darkness covered the face of the deep.


Obviously you have been munching on the forbidden fruit, otherwise you wouldn't be so confused about everything, and obsessed with innocent babies, homos, and kangaroos, and, apparently, you don't even know it.

How smart is that?

So you believe that about 6000 years ago GOD showed up and plunked Adam and Eve down into a beautiful garden. You are in serious need of mental help pal.

No, Moses made contact with an other worldly intelligence, learned a better way to understand and live a fruitful peaceful and fulfilled life on earth (as it is in heaven) instead of being impulse driven unthinking violent and self destructive animals, and wrote a fairy tale and a book of detailed instructions so that anyone who wanted to could do it too and by doing so become a new more highly evolved and refined creature.

So Moses was in contact with aliens? NOW, you’re starting to make some sense.

Thats exactly what the story openly says..... in modern english.


Knowing that the Law came into this world which was already in chaos from a realm of higher intelligences should be enough reason to search for deeper meanings that actually reflect the wisdom of a superior intelligence...

Would a superior intelligence, what people call God, teach people about three hairs on the back of the neck removed from baboons to avoid the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate because it was concerned about our diet or our mental health?

"Would a superior intelligence, what people call God, teach people about three hairs on the back of the neck removed from baboons to avoid the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate because they were concerned about our diet or our mental health?" This makes no sense at all, totally made up.

And I AM searching for deeper meaning and higher intelligence of a god, but you ain't got it, brah.

Whats so hard about finding deeper meaning in this law when ruminating has obvious human implications unless you are an unclean creature that does not ruminate?

You can't find it even after I showed it to you?

lol....Thats the best your intelligence can do?


Okey dokey.....

 

[Taz]

So you believe that about 6000 years ago GOD showed up and plunked Adam and Eve down into a beautiful garden. You are in serious need of mental help pal.

No, Moses made contact with an other worldly intelligence, learned a better way to understand and live a fruitful peaceful and fulfilled life on earth (as it is in heaven) instead of being impulse driven unthinking violent and self destructive animals, and wrote a fairy tale and a book of detailed instructions so that anyone who wanted to could do it too and by doing so become a new more highly evolved and refined creature.

So Moses was in contact with aliens? NOW, you’re starting to make some sense.

Thats exactly what the story openly says..... in modern english.


Knowing that the Law came into this world which was already in chaos from a realm of higher intelligences should be enough reason to search for deeper meanings that actually reflect the wisdom of a superior intelligence...

Would a superior intelligence, what people call God, teach people about three hairs on the back of the neck removed from baboons to avoid the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate because it was concerned about our diet or our mental health?

"Would a superior intelligence, what people call God, teach people about three hairs on the back of the neck removed from baboons to avoid the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate because they were concerned about our diet or our mental health?" This makes no sense at all, totally made up.

And I AM searching for deeper meaning and higher intelligence of a god, but you ain't got it, brah.

Whats so hard about finding deeper meaning in this law when ruminating has obvious human implications unless you are an unclean creature that does not ruminate?

You can't find it even after I showed it to you?

lol....Thats the best your intelligence can do?


Okey dokey.....

That law makes no sense and is irrelevant to god.

 

[kjw47]

You believe lies out of error filled translations.

No, he doesn't believe the lies. He pretends to believe because he is under the delusion that if he lies his ass off and calls it faith until his dying day he will receive presents from God.

Actually satan is ruling this system--every govt on earth is ruled by him, 99% of every religion on earth is ruled by him. It is satan who is blinding 99% on earth-2Cor 4:4-- so yes they do believe.

No. They do not believe. not one of them. they are being held in captivity out of ignorance or conformity or pure cowardice.

Do you think suicide bombers really believe they are going to get 72 virgins after they blow themselves to bits? Or have they been deceived and abused since birth until they don't give a shit?

What do you think Satan as an archetype represents?

Satan is a powerful fallen angel

Why do you think Jesus called Peter Satan if Satan was a powerful fallen angel?

Do you think world governments are under the control of an invisible disembodied entity or just despicable people who fit the detailed description of the talking serpent, the lowest lowlife of them all, a metaphor for a human archetype in what amounts to a fairy tale??

Don't you think that the truth is more powerful than whatever ideological or religious deception holds the people around the world silent, paralyzed and captive? Powerful enough to unseat them all, every devil, and liberate all the people from every subjugation with the even the smallest invocation of truth from God?

Why aren't the people tossing mountains into the sea? Where is faith? Those being held in captivity far outnumber the ones using deception to control them...What are you waiting for? Jesus to do it for you?

Jesus didn't call Peter satan. He was referring to satan, because satan is behind all that is not good.

 

[kjw47]

We are never to think of God's power in terms of what he could conceivably do by the exercise of what we may call sheer omnipotence which crushes all obstacles in its path. We are always to think of God's power in terms of his purpose. If what he did by sheer omnipotence defeated his purpose, then, however startling and impressive, it would be an expression of weakness, not of power. Indeed, a good definition of power is "ability to achieve purpose. Does it fulfill its purpose? God's purpose is to achieve a specific outcome under specific conditions.

What purpose do deformed babies have? Cancer? Mental retardation?

And god could have any outcome he wanted without all the threats. If he's actually omnipotent.

So in your universe, unless everything is perfect - a utopia - there can be no God? Am I understanding you correctly, Taz?

That if there are babies that are born with birth defect, there can be no God?

You said god wants a certain outcome, so why the cancer and deformed babies? Why is god wanting that outcome? For what purpose?

If everything in the universe isn't perfect, it doesn't mean there's no god, but that god wanted it that way. Either that, or He's not perfect either. Which is it?

God had 2 choices at the events of Eden--kill the 3 rebels on the spot--no one ever born would have been granted life)-- or let the issues raised against him be proved once and for all time. And weed out all goats--1/3 of the angels fell later--it would have happened over and over--this way it occurs once and never again. Adam and Eve chose to bring bad into this world.

C'mon man, enough with the nonsense. God could have made the universe perfect, so why didn't he? Like, if he didn't want Adam & Eve to eat the apple, why did he put it there? It makes no sense. You're going to say something like to temp them, but what for? Still makes no sense. If I don't want my kids to eat from an apple tree in our yard I simply won't put one there. I won't say "see those delicious apples? If you eat one you're screwed forever, and all of mankind is screwed with you forever". IT MAKES NO SENSE!!! Am I smarter than god or what?

Maybe its just physics law that if there is good there is an opposite as well.

 

[kjw47]

Peter lived over 125 years before the religion that came out of Rome popped up. No similarities whatsoever to the religion Jesus began.

Peter? You mean the first Pope of the Catholic Church. That Peter?

Saint Peter (Syriac/Aramaic: ܫܸܡܥܘܿܢ ܟܹ݁ܐܦ݂ܵܐ, Shemayon Keppa, Hebrew: שמעון בר יונה‎ Shim'on bar Yona, Greek: Πέτρος Petros, Coptic: ⲡⲉⲧⲣⲟⲥ, translit. Petros, Latin: Petrus; r. AD 30;[1] d. between AD 64 and 68[2]), also known as Simon Peter, Simeon, or Simon ( pronunciation (help·info)), according to the New Testament, was one of the Twelve Apostles of Jesus Christ, leaders of the early Christian Great Church. Pope Gregory I called him repeatedly the "Prince of the Apostles".[3] According to Catholic teaching, Jesus promised Peter in the "Rock of My Church" dialogue in Matthew 16:18 a special position in the Church. He is traditionally counted as the first Bishop of Rome‍—‌or pope‍—‌and also by Eastern Christian tradition as the first Patriarch of Antioch. The ancient Christian churches all venerate Peter as a major saint and as the founder of the Church of Antioch and the Roman Church,[2] but differ in their attitudes regarding the authority of his present-day successors (the primacy of the Bishop of Rome).

Saint Peter - Wikipedia

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: St. Peter, Prince of the Apostles

That is strange--Peter clearly taught--Jesus has a God-his Father( 1Peter 1:3)-- so the teachers that followed his line--teach that truth as well.

"The New Testament is very clear that Jesus was a full human being. He had to grow in wisdom (Lk 2:52) and learn obedience by going through trials, just like every other human being (Heb. 5:8). He grew hungry and tired, like the rest of us. He experienced the same range of emotions as the rest of us and was tempted in all the ways we are (Heb 4:15). He was, in other words, made like us “in every way” (Heb 2:17). Jesus was a full human being. In fact, all indications are that Jesus still is a full human being, albeit in a resurrected and transformed state.

At the same time, the New Testament also clearly teaches us that Jesus is God. John tells us that, while no one has ever seen God as he is in himself, the Word (Jesus), who is himself God, has made him known (Jn. 1:18). Similarly, in his epistle he refers to the Son of God as “the true God” (I Jn 5:20). Along the same lines, Paul refers to Jesus as “God over all” (Rom. 9:5) and “our great God and Savior” (Titus 2:13) while Thomas calls Jesus “Lord” and “God,” and Jesus commends him for his faith (Jn. 20:28)...."

Was Jesus Fully Human and Fully God? - Greg Boyd - ReKnew

You believe lies out of error filled translations.

The strongest support for our beliefs come from Tradition.

Yes tradition, not of God--In fact his word clearly teaches---By the TRADITIONS of men, you make the word of God invalid. Mark 7:13-- read it.

 

[kjw47]

So in your universe, unless everything is perfect - a utopia - there can be no God? Am I understanding you correctly, Taz?

That if there are babies that are born with birth defect, there can be no God?

You said god wants a certain outcome, so why the cancer and deformed babies? Why is god wanting that outcome? For what purpose?

If everything in the universe isn't perfect, it doesn't mean there's no god, but that god wanted it that way. Either that, or He's not perfect either. Which is it?

God had 2 choices at the events of Eden--kill the 3 rebels on the spot--no one ever born would have been granted life)-- or let the issues raised against him be proved once and for all time. And weed out all goats--1/3 of the angels fell later--it would have happened over and over--this way it occurs once and never again. Adam and Eve chose to bring bad into this world.

C'mon man, enough with the nonsense. God could have made the universe perfect, so why didn't he? Like, if he didn't want Adam & Eve to eat the apple, why did he put it there? It makes no sense. You're going to say something like to temp them, but what for? Still makes no sense. If I don't want my kids to eat from an apple tree in our yard I simply won't put one there. Am I smarter than god or what?

The universe is perfect. The forbidden tree was always here on earth like a criminal banished to a maximum security prison planet. People were just given the awareness to avoid it and the way to subdue it, courtesy of an otherworldly source, around 6000 years ago. Before that the earth was without form and void, and darkness covered the face of the deep.


Obviously you have been munching on the forbidden fruit, otherwise you wouldn't be so confused about everything, and obsessed with innocent babies, homos, and kangaroos, and, apparently, you don't even know it.

How smart is that?

So you believe that about 6000 years ago GOD showed up and plunked Adam and Eve down into a beautiful garden. You are in serious need of mental help pal.

The only other alternative offered is that a big bang occurred--Where trillions x trillions x trillions, etc of atoms shot out in utter confusion yet all landed perfectly to make all of creation= not in a gazillion years.

 

[hobelim]

No, he doesn't believe the lies. He pretends to believe because he is under the delusion that if he lies his ass off and calls it faith until his dying day he will receive presents from God.

Actually satan is ruling this system--every govt on earth is ruled by him, 99% of every religion on earth is ruled by him. It is satan who is blinding 99% on earth-2Cor 4:4-- so yes they do believe.

No. They do not believe. not one of them. they are being held in captivity out of ignorance or conformity or pure cowardice.

Do you think suicide bombers really believe they are going to get 72 virgins after they blow themselves to bits? Or have they been deceived and abused since birth until they don't give a shit?

What do you think Satan as an archetype represents?

Satan is a powerful fallen angel

Why do you think Jesus called Peter Satan if Satan was a powerful fallen angel?

Do you think world governments are under the control of an invisible disembodied entity or just despicable people who fit the detailed description of the talking serpent, the lowest lowlife of them all, a metaphor for a human archetype in what amounts to a fairy tale??

Don't you think that the truth is more powerful than whatever ideological or religious deception holds the people around the world silent, paralyzed and captive? Powerful enough to unseat them all, every devil, and liberate all the people from every subjugation with the even the smallest invocation of truth from God?

Why aren't the people tossing mountains into the sea? Where is faith? Those being held in captivity far outnumber the ones using deception to control them...What are you waiting for? Jesus to do it for you?

Jesus didn't call Peter satan. He was referring to satan, because satan is behind all that is not good.

Satan, the talking serpent, is a figurative depiction of a human archetype.

There is no such thing as an invisible disembodied entity that tries to live in peoples heads to make them do bad things to piss off God..

If you or anyone has evil thoughts they were either put there by another person or all your own. If they were put there by another person it was probably to take advantage of you in some way without a single thought about pissing off God in their mind.

 

[toobfreak]

As far as I am aware, according to Christian beliefs after Adam's fall all humanity became sinful and doomed to perdition. Then Son of God was sent by Father to save mankind and give eternal live for those believing in Him.

‌Why was all this needed? Why didnt God simply send a prophet with instructions how people can save themselves? Why did God have a need to make sacrifice for himself?

It amazes me how many people not only want to take a literal interpretation from the Bible, but want to ascribe ordinary human values and motivations to a Supreme Being that is behind the Cause to all causes!

 

[kjw47]

God had 2 choices at the events of Eden--kill the 3 rebels on the spot--no one ever born would have been granted life)-- or let the issues raised against him be proved once and for all time. And weed out all goats--1/3 of the angels fell later--it would have happened over and over--this way it occurs once and never again. Adam and Eve chose to bring bad into this world.

C'mon man, enough with the nonsense. God could have made the universe perfect, so why didn't he? Like, if he didn't want Adam & Eve to eat the apple, why did he put it there? It makes no sense. You're going to say something like to temp them, but what for? Still makes no sense. If I don't want my kids to eat from an apple tree in our yard I simply won't put one there. Am I smarter than god or what?

The universe is perfect. The forbidden tree was always here on earth like a criminal banished to a maximum security prison planet. People were just given the awareness to avoid it and the way to subdue it, courtesy of an otherworldly source, around 6000 years ago. Before that the earth was without form and void, and darkness covered the face of the deep.


Obviously you have been munching on the forbidden fruit, otherwise you wouldn't be so confused about everything, and obsessed with innocent babies, homos, and kangaroos, and, apparently, you don't even know it.

How smart is that?

Fuck man, you want confused, read your first paragraph again. ^^^^^

You have confused the story of genesis, the creation of heaven and earth, with the beginning of the universe.

The story of genesis has absolutely nothing whatever to do with whatever may have caused the beginning of the universe or solar system..

Look, everyone of you biblers has a different interpretation of it, I've seen you guys arguing about different meanings... Like seriously, how do you know that your interpretation is the right one? Where's the beef?

yes 34,000 religions claiming to be Christian--one is-1Cor 1:10)-- The teachings of Jesus prove who is who.

 

[kjw47]

Actually satan is ruling this system--every govt on earth is ruled by him, 99% of every religion on earth is ruled by him. It is satan who is blinding 99% on earth-2Cor 4:4-- so yes they do believe.

No. They do not believe. not one of them. they are being held in captivity out of ignorance or conformity or pure cowardice.

Do you think suicide bombers really believe they are going to get 72 virgins after they blow themselves to bits? Or have they been deceived and abused since birth until they don't give a shit?

What do you think Satan as an archetype represents?

Satan is a powerful fallen angel

Why do you think Jesus called Peter Satan if Satan was a powerful fallen angel?

Do you think world governments are under the control of an invisible disembodied entity or just despicable people who fit the detailed description of the talking serpent, the lowest lowlife of them all, a metaphor for a human archetype in what amounts to a fairy tale??

Don't you think that the truth is more powerful than whatever ideological or religious deception holds the people around the world silent, paralyzed and captive? Powerful enough to unseat them all, every devil, and liberate all the people from every subjugation with the even the smallest invocation of truth from God?

Why aren't the people tossing mountains into the sea? Where is faith? Those being held in captivity far outnumber the ones using deception to control them...What are you waiting for? Jesus to do it for you?

Jesus didn't call Peter satan. He was referring to satan, because satan is behind all that is not good.

Satan, the talking serpent, is a figurative depiction of a human archetype.

There is no such thing as an invisible disembodied entity that tries to live in peoples heads to make them do bad things to piss off God..

If you or anyone has evil thoughts they were either put there by another person or all your own. If they were put there by another person it was probably to take advantage of you in some way without a single thought about pissing off God in their mind.

Then he has you, lock, stock and barrel.

 

[hobelim]

No. They do not believe. not one of them. they are being held in captivity out of ignorance or conformity or pure cowardice.

Do you think suicide bombers really believe they are going to get 72 virgins after they blow themselves to bits? Or have they been deceived and abused since birth until they don't give a shit?

What do you think Satan as an archetype represents?

Satan is a powerful fallen angel

Why do you think Jesus called Peter Satan if Satan was a powerful fallen angel?

Do you think world governments are under the control of an invisible disembodied entity or just despicable people who fit the detailed description of the talking serpent, the lowest lowlife of them all, a metaphor for a human archetype in what amounts to a fairy tale??

Don't you think that the truth is more powerful than whatever ideological or religious deception holds the people around the world silent, paralyzed and captive? Powerful enough to unseat them all, every devil, and liberate all the people from every subjugation with the even the smallest invocation of truth from God?

Why aren't the people tossing mountains into the sea? Where is faith? Those being held in captivity far outnumber the ones using deception to control them...What are you waiting for? Jesus to do it for you?

Jesus didn't call Peter satan. He was referring to satan, because satan is behind all that is not good.

Satan, the talking serpent, is a figurative depiction of a human archetype.

There is no such thing as an invisible disembodied entity that tries to live in peoples heads to make them do bad things to piss off God..

If you or anyone has evil thoughts they were either put there by another person or all your own. If they were put there by another person it was probably to take advantage of you in some way without a single thought about pissing off God in their mind.

Then he has you, lock, stock and barrel.

No, there is no trace of Satan in me...

If there was I would be freaking out about the end of the world like you.

 

[kjw47]

Satan is a powerful fallen angel

Why do you think Jesus called Peter Satan if Satan was a powerful fallen angel?

Do you think world governments are under the control of an invisible disembodied entity or just despicable people who fit the detailed description of the talking serpent, the lowest lowlife of them all, a metaphor for a human archetype in what amounts to a fairy tale??

Don't you think that the truth is more powerful than whatever ideological or religious deception holds the people around the world silent, paralyzed and captive? Powerful enough to unseat them all, every devil, and liberate all the people from every subjugation with the even the smallest invocation of truth from God?

Why aren't the people tossing mountains into the sea? Where is faith? Those being held in captivity far outnumber the ones using deception to control them...What are you waiting for? Jesus to do it for you?

Jesus didn't call Peter satan. He was referring to satan, because satan is behind all that is not good.

Satan, the talking serpent, is a figurative depiction of a human archetype.

There is no such thing as an invisible disembodied entity that tries to live in peoples heads to make them do bad things to piss off God..

If you or anyone has evil thoughts they were either put there by another person or all your own. If they were put there by another person it was probably to take advantage of you in some way without a single thought about pissing off God in their mind.

Then he has you, lock, stock and barrel.

No, there is no trace of Satan in me...

If there was I would be freaking out about the end of the world like you.

All that know the true God and his son, knows100%--the teachings of Jesus prove the JW teachers are correct, It is a very sad reality= Few know what Jesus taught
In EVERY church on earth the teachers are paid to teach that religions brand of dogmas, very little of what Jesus taught.

I am not freaking out about it, The bible says the coming of Gods kingdom is good news. Those living in fear are the ones who do not think so.

 

[hobelim]

Why do you think Jesus called Peter Satan if Satan was a powerful fallen angel?

Do you think world governments are under the control of an invisible disembodied entity or just despicable people who fit the detailed description of the talking serpent, the lowest lowlife of them all, a metaphor for a human archetype in what amounts to a fairy tale??

Don't you think that the truth is more powerful than whatever ideological or religious deception holds the people around the world silent, paralyzed and captive? Powerful enough to unseat them all, every devil, and liberate all the people from every subjugation with the even the smallest invocation of truth from God?

Why aren't the people tossing mountains into the sea? Where is faith? Those being held in captivity far outnumber the ones using deception to control them...What are you waiting for? Jesus to do it for you?

Jesus didn't call Peter satan. He was referring to satan, because satan is behind all that is not good.

Satan, the talking serpent, is a figurative depiction of a human archetype.

There is no such thing as an invisible disembodied entity that tries to live in peoples heads to make them do bad things to piss off God..

If you or anyone has evil thoughts they were either put there by another person or all your own. If they were put there by another person it was probably to take advantage of you in some way without a single thought about pissing off God in their mind.

Then he has you, lock, stock and barrel.

No, there is no trace of Satan in me...

If there was I would be freaking out about the end of the world like you.

All that know the true God and his son, knows100%--the teachings of Jesus prove the JW teachers are correct, It is a very sad reality= Few know what Jesus taught
In EVERY church on earth the teachers are paid to teach that religions brand of dogmas, very little of what Jesus taught.

I am not freaking out about it, The bible says the coming of Gods kingdom is good news. Those living in fear are the ones who do not think so.

You do not even know what Jesus taught if you believe that the world is about to be destroyed literally and then recreated according to your anal delusions while professing to believe that he already returned last century and only 144000 JW's noticed as if wars instead of peace and your aberrant behavior instead of sanity were proof of it.

Looks like Satan, I mean, whoever filled your head with all of that trash, has you lock stock and barrel.

 

[RWNJ]

As far as I am aware, according to Christian beliefs after Adam's fall all humanity became sinful and doomed to perdition. Then Son of God was sent by Father to save mankind and give eternal live for those believing in Him.

‌Why was all this needed? Why didnt God simply send a prophet with instructions how people can save themselves? Why did God have a need to make sacrifice for himself?

It amazes me how many people not only want to take a literal interpretation from the Bible, but want to ascribe ordinary human values and motivations to a Supreme Being that is behind the Cause to all causes!

Actually, the Bible should be taken literally, unless it is clear that it should not be taken literally. Revelation, and Daniel for instance, which use a lot of symbolism.

 

[hobelim]

As far as I am aware, according to Christian beliefs after Adam's fall all humanity became sinful and doomed to perdition. Then Son of God was sent by Father to save mankind and give eternal live for those believing in Him.

‌Why was all this needed? Why didnt God simply send a prophet with instructions how people can save themselves? Why did God have a need to make sacrifice for himself?

It amazes me how many people not only want to take a literal interpretation from the Bible, but want to ascribe ordinary human values and motivations to a Supreme Being that is behind the Cause to all causes!

Actually, the Bible should be taken literally, unless it is clear that it should not be taken literally. Revelation, and Daniel for instance, which use a lot of symbolism.

If you read genesis and didn't immediately realize that it should not be taken literally as soon as a talking serpent was introduced, you should have been left back in the fist grade.

 

[toobfreak]

As far as I am aware, according to Christian beliefs after Adam's fall all humanity became sinful and doomed to perdition. Then Son of God was sent by Father to save mankind and give eternal live for those believing in Him.

‌Why was all this needed? Why didnt God simply send a prophet with instructions how people can save themselves? Why did God have a need to make sacrifice for himself?

It amazes me how many people not only want to take a literal interpretation from the Bible, but want to ascribe ordinary human values and motivations to a Supreme Being that is behind the Cause to all causes!

Actually, the Bible should be taken literally, unless it is clear that it should not be taken literally. Revelation, and Daniel for instance, which use a lot of symbolism.

Who decides? Am I to really believe that the world was created in six days and God rested on the seventh, and that thousands of years later we just happened to come up with the week as a time unit? Or that the world is 6000 years old? Recorded HISTORY begins about 6000 years ago, so it was only natural at some point to consider that the "beginning" at a time long before paleoanthropology or archeology were known. The Bible was written long after many of the events described within actually happened. Its been translated. I believe some of it was intended literally, this person was born, that person begat this person, while other parts are either metaphorical or were descriptions of things the writer was trying to describe to the best of his ability that he did not fully understand and could only put into words as best as was available to him at the time. The Bible is more than a biography of people and history, it was meant to be a parable on which for men to model moral lives.

 

[ding]

Peter? You mean the first Pope of the Catholic Church. That Peter?

Saint Peter (Syriac/Aramaic: ܫܸܡܥܘܿܢ ܟܹ݁ܐܦ݂ܵܐ, Shemayon Keppa, Hebrew: שמעון בר יונה‎ Shim'on bar Yona, Greek: Πέτρος Petros, Coptic: ⲡⲉⲧⲣⲟⲥ, translit. Petros, Latin: Petrus; r. AD 30;[1] d. between AD 64 and 68[2]), also known as Simon Peter, Simeon, or Simon ( pronunciation (help·info)), according to the New Testament, was one of the Twelve Apostles of Jesus Christ, leaders of the early Christian Great Church. Pope Gregory I called him repeatedly the "Prince of the Apostles".[3] According to Catholic teaching, Jesus promised Peter in the "Rock of My Church" dialogue in Matthew 16:18 a special position in the Church. He is traditionally counted as the first Bishop of Rome‍—‌or pope‍—‌and also by Eastern Christian tradition as the first Patriarch of Antioch. The ancient Christian churches all venerate Peter as a major saint and as the founder of the Church of Antioch and the Roman Church,[2] but differ in their attitudes regarding the authority of his present-day successors (the primacy of the Bishop of Rome).

Saint Peter - Wikipedia

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: St. Peter, Prince of the Apostles

That is strange--Peter clearly taught--Jesus has a God-his Father( 1Peter 1:3)-- so the teachers that followed his line--teach that truth as well.

"The New Testament is very clear that Jesus was a full human being. He had to grow in wisdom (Lk 2:52) and learn obedience by going through trials, just like every other human being (Heb. 5:8). He grew hungry and tired, like the rest of us. He experienced the same range of emotions as the rest of us and was tempted in all the ways we are (Heb 4:15). He was, in other words, made like us “in every way” (Heb 2:17). Jesus was a full human being. In fact, all indications are that Jesus still is a full human being, albeit in a resurrected and transformed state.

At the same time, the New Testament also clearly teaches us that Jesus is God. John tells us that, while no one has ever seen God as he is in himself, the Word (Jesus), who is himself God, has made him known (Jn. 1:18). Similarly, in his epistle he refers to the Son of God as “the true God” (I Jn 5:20). Along the same lines, Paul refers to Jesus as “God over all” (Rom. 9:5) and “our great God and Savior” (Titus 2:13) while Thomas calls Jesus “Lord” and “God,” and Jesus commends him for his faith (Jn. 20:28)...."

Was Jesus Fully Human and Fully God? - Greg Boyd - ReKnew

You believe lies out of error filled translations.

The strongest support for our beliefs come from Tradition.

Peter? You mean the first Pope of the Catholic Church. That Peter?

Saint Peter (Syriac/Aramaic: ܫܸܡܥܘܿܢ ܟܹ݁ܐܦ݂ܵܐ, Shemayon Keppa, Hebrew: שמעון בר יונה‎ Shim'on bar Yona, Greek: Πέτρος Petros, Coptic: ⲡⲉⲧⲣⲟⲥ, translit. Petros, Latin: Petrus; r. AD 30;[1] d. between AD 64 and 68[2]), also known as Simon Peter, Simeon, or Simon ( pronunciation (help·info)), according to the New Testament, was one of the Twelve Apostles of Jesus Christ, leaders of the early Christian Great Church. Pope Gregory I called him repeatedly the "Prince of the Apostles".[3] According to Catholic teaching, Jesus promised Peter in the "Rock of My Church" dialogue in Matthew 16:18 a special position in the Church. He is traditionally counted as the first Bishop of Rome‍—‌or pope‍—‌and also by Eastern Christian tradition as the first Patriarch of Antioch. The ancient Christian churches all venerate Peter as a major saint and as the founder of the Church of Antioch and the Roman Church,[2] but differ in their attitudes regarding the authority of his present-day successors (the primacy of the Bishop of Rome).

Saint Peter - Wikipedia

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: St. Peter, Prince of the Apostles

That is strange--Peter clearly taught--Jesus has a God-his Father( 1Peter 1:3)-- so the teachers that followed his line--teach that truth as well.

"The New Testament is very clear that Jesus was a full human being. He had to grow in wisdom (Lk 2:52) and learn obedience by going through trials, just like every other human being (Heb. 5:8). He grew hungry and tired, like the rest of us. He experienced the same range of emotions as the rest of us and was tempted in all the ways we are (Heb 4:15). He was, in other words, made like us “in every way” (Heb 2:17). Jesus was a full human being. In fact, all indications are that Jesus still is a full human being, albeit in a resurrected and transformed state.

At the same time, the New Testament also clearly teaches us that Jesus is God. John tells us that, while no one has ever seen God as he is in himself, the Word (Jesus), who is himself God, has made him known (Jn. 1:18). Similarly, in his epistle he refers to the Son of God as “the true God” (I Jn 5:20). Along the same lines, Paul refers to Jesus as “God over all” (Rom. 9:5) and “our great God and Savior” (Titus 2:13) while Thomas calls Jesus “Lord” and “God,” and Jesus commends him for his faith (Jn. 20:28)...."

Was Jesus Fully Human and Fully God? - Greg Boyd - ReKnew

You believe lies out of error filled translations.

The strongest support for our beliefs come from Tradition.

That's the problem with the Catholic church. A Christian church should follow Scripture.

Mark 7:13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that."

Matthew 15:1-9 1Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2"Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash their hands before they eat!" 3Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.' 5But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is 'devoted to God,' 6they are not to 'honor their father or mother' with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 8"'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 9They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.'"

Without the Tradition that was passed down orally there would be no scripture.