What would America be like if the anti-Abortion types win?

[JoeB131]

So you reject science.

We already knew you were stupid.

Tell us again how "Negroes WELCOMED efforts to have them sterilized?"

You fucking Nazi pig.

Contraception isn't sterilization.

Fact Check: Was Planned Parenthood Started To 'Control' The Black Population?

Sanger's birth control movement did have support in black neighborhoods, beginning in the '20s when there were leagues in Harlem started by African-Americans. Sanger also worked closely with NAACP founder W.E.B. DuBois on a "Negro Project," which she viewed as a way to get safe contraception to African-Americans.

In 1946, Sanger wrote about the importance of giving "Negro" parents a choice in how many children they would have.

"The Negro race has reached a place in its history when every possible effort should be made to have every Negro child count as a valuable contribution to the future of America," she wrote. "Negro parents, like all parents, must create the next generation from strength, not from weakness; from health, not from despair."

Her attitude toward African-Americans can certainly be viewed as paternalistic, but there is no evidence she subscribed to the more racist ideas of the time or that she coerced black women into using birth control. In fact, for her time, as the Washington Post noted, "she would likely be considered to have advanced views on race relations."

 

[Uncensored2008]

Just like the Jews WELCOMED Hitler's efforts to eradicate them.

You are one sick motherfucker, even as Nazis go.

Sorry, guy, if you see contraception as the same as eradication, I think you are a bit confused.

Are you telling me that every time you have sex, you take no effort to avoid pregnancy? Nonewhatsoever?

You can't lie your way out of this, Nazi Joe. Sanger promoted STERILIZATION of the "Negro Race," which you claim they welcomed.

You are one sick, SICK fuck, Nazi Joe.

 

[Uncensored2008]

So you reject science.

We already knew you were stupid.

Tell us again how "Negroes WELCOMED efforts to have them sterilized?"

You fucking Nazi pig.

Contraception isn't sterilization.

Fact Check: Was Planned Parenthood Started To 'Control' The Black Population?

Sanger's birth control movement did have support in black neighborhoods, beginning in the '20s when there were leagues in Harlem started by African-Americans. Sanger also worked closely with NAACP founder W.E.B. DuBois on a "Negro Project," which she viewed as a way to get safe contraception to African-Americans.

In 1946, Sanger wrote about the importance of giving "Negro" parents a choice in how many children they would have.

"The Negro race has reached a place in its history when every possible effort should be made to have every Negro child count as a valuable contribution to the future of America," she wrote. "Negro parents, like all parents, must create the next generation from strength, not from weakness; from health, not from despair."

Her attitude toward African-Americans can certainly be viewed as paternalistic, but there is no evidence she subscribed to the more racist ideas of the time or that she coerced black women into using birth control. In fact, for her time, as the Washington Post noted, "she would likely be considered to have advanced views on race relations."

Lie some more Nazi Joe;

{
In 1933, Sanger’s magazine Birth Control Review published an article on “Eugenic Sterilization” by Ernst Rudin, chief architect of the Nazi sterilization program and mentor of Josef Mengele, the notorious Nazi doctor at Auschwitz. Sanger’s magazine also reprinted a pamphlet that Rudin had prepared for British eugenicists.

Writing in 1938, when the Nazi program was in full swing, Sanger urged America to follow Hitler’s example. Using the language of Social Darwinism—the same language that Hitler uses in Mein Kampf—Sanger wrote, “In animal industry, the poor stock is not allowed to breed. In gardens, the weeds are kept down.” America, Sanger concluded, must learn from the Nazis and carry out nature’s own mandate of getting rid of “human weeds.”6}

Exclusive – D'Souza: The Hitler-Sanger Connection | Breitbart

 

[Hale]

If nothing else, this thread serves as a shining example that Nazism is alive and well in America. This is the benefit of free speech; it exposes the bigotry and hatred of the few, and prevents many thinking individuals from falling into the same trap.

So many thanks to the actual Nazis on this thread who openly advocate genocide. America will let you speak, but much to your own embarrassment and frustration, we will refuse to let you implement your evil agenda.

 

[Ambivalent1]

So you reject science.

We already knew you were stupid.

Tell us again how "Negroes WELCOMED efforts to have them sterilized?"

You fucking Nazi pig.

Contraception isn't sterilization.

Fact Check: Was Planned Parenthood Started To 'Control' The Black Population?

Sanger's birth control movement did have support in black neighborhoods, beginning in the '20s when there were leagues in Harlem started by African-Americans. Sanger also worked closely with NAACP founder W.E.B. DuBois on a "Negro Project," which she viewed as a way to get safe contraception to African-Americans.

In 1946, Sanger wrote about the importance of giving "Negro" parents a choice in how many children they would have.

"The Negro race has reached a place in its history when every possible effort should be made to have every Negro child count as a valuable contribution to the future of America," she wrote. "Negro parents, like all parents, must create the next generation from strength, not from weakness; from health, not from despair."

Her attitude toward African-Americans can certainly be viewed as paternalistic, but there is no evidence she subscribed to the more racist ideas of the time or that she coerced black women into using birth control. In fact, for her time, as the Washington Post noted, "she would likely be considered to have advanced views on race relations."

Your gal Margaret proposed "weeding out" the undesirables, the feeble, the vagrants, prostitutes, alcoholics. She was a real gem.

 

[Ambivalent1]

So you reject science.

We already knew you were stupid.

Tell us again how "Negroes WELCOMED efforts to have them sterilized?"

You fucking Nazi pig.

Contraception isn't sterilization.

Fact Check: Was Planned Parenthood Started To 'Control' The Black Population?

Sanger's birth control movement did have support in black neighborhoods, beginning in the '20s when there were leagues in Harlem started by African-Americans. Sanger also worked closely with NAACP founder W.E.B. DuBois on a "Negro Project," which she viewed as a way to get safe contraception to African-Americans.

In 1946, Sanger wrote about the importance of giving "Negro" parents a choice in how many children they would have.

"The Negro race has reached a place in its history when every possible effort should be made to have every Negro child count as a valuable contribution to the future of America," she wrote. "Negro parents, like all parents, must create the next generation from strength, not from weakness; from health, not from despair."

Her attitude toward African-Americans can certainly be viewed as paternalistic, but there is no evidence she subscribed to the more racist ideas of the time or that she coerced black women into using birth control. In fact, for her time, as the Washington Post noted, "she would likely be considered to have advanced views on race relations."

Lie some more Nazi Joe;

{
In 1933, Sanger’s magazine Birth Control Review published an article on “Eugenic Sterilization” by Ernst Rudin, chief architect of the Nazi sterilization program and mentor of Josef Mengele, the notorious Nazi doctor at Auschwitz. Sanger’s magazine also reprinted a pamphlet that Rudin had prepared for British eugenicists.

Writing in 1938, when the Nazi program was in full swing, Sanger urged America to follow Hitler’s example. Using the language of Social Darwinism—the same language that Hitler uses in Mein Kampf—Sanger wrote, “In animal industry, the poor stock is not allowed to breed. In gardens, the weeds are kept down.” America, Sanger concluded, must learn from the Nazis and carry out nature’s own mandate of getting rid of “human weeds.”6}

Exclusive – D'Souza: The Hitler-Sanger Connection | Breitbart

Joe

Let's ole Margaret say it Her words...…

"
We should breed out the feebleminded families who have done and still are doing much social and racial damage. In mental defectiveness they may be classed into four groups-- 1.) complete idiots who merely exist, 2.) incomplete idiots with few and rudimentary ideas, 3.) imbeciles with limited and often perverted ideas but capable to being taught to read and write 4.) Weak or feebleminded who can be educated to a varying extent by special methods.

It is the 3rd & 4th class which present the most difficult problems. We must remember that even if the feebleminded do learn to read and write this does not enable them to produce any fitter offspring than if they had been untaught and untrained. They should be sterilized harmlessly and rendered incapable of passing on to future generations their defects. It can be a voluntary measure requiring no legislation. It should not be forced but ↑should↓ be encouraged. It must not be considered a punishment but rather a measure of safeguarding the community, just as an epidemic or any contagious disease is regarded. If those requesting charity, either state or private, were fused aid until they consented to undergo the preventive treatment of sterilization, we should be effectively working for the abolition of pauperism, criminality and dysgenic breeding. Why allow license to the feebleminded and unfit types and make freedom impossible for the normal?"

The Public Papers of Margaret Sanger: Web Edition

 

[Ambivalent1]

Good ole Marg.....

"In case of refusal such persons should have a choice of sterilization or isolation. Under no circumstances should the state allow such parents to cast their diseased and demented progeny upon society for the normal and fit to provide for."

 

[Uncensored2008]

Good ole Marg.....

"In case of refusal such persons should have a choice of sterilization or isolation. Under no circumstances should the state allow such parents to cast their diseased and demented progeny upon society for the normal and fit to provide for."

But Nazi Joe said that "Negroes WELCOMED such efforts."

 

[Ambivalent1]

Good ole Marg.....

"In case of refusal such persons should have a choice of sterilization or isolation. Under no circumstances should the state allow such parents to cast their diseased and demented progeny upon society for the normal and fit to provide for."

But Nazi Joe said that "Negroes WELCOMED such efforts."

Ole Joe will be here to defend her any minute now....

 

[Blues Man]

So you're we're going to be overpopulated with poor kids who grow up to be criminals argument is utter bullshit.

Not at all. I'm sorry you didn't understand the argument. It's not just poor kids, it's UNWANTED kids. Kids who grow up with the burden that "you ruined my life you little bastard" because they were raised by people who didn't want them and had no capablity to raise them.

Every child a wanted child.

You seem to forget that my mother was 1/2 Black
This is the 7th or 8th time I've told you that. Are you sure you don't have a brain tumor or dementia

Um, no, I Just don't really believe a fucking thing you say...

But even if I did, the worst kind of racist is the self-loathing kind. This buys you nothing with me. The fact you are willing to throw in with the racists on every issue, whether it be gun control ("it's just the darkies shooting each other, so no problem') or abortion (Oh, my god, we aren't making enough babies to keep up with the darkies) says it all.

And what issues are those?

The ones you disagree with?

You're such a mental midget that you really think everyone who disagrees with you is a racist.

And FYI I am not antiabortion I just don't make up bullshit reasons why abortion should be legal.

The number of abortions performed in the US has been dropping steadily
The birth rate is dropping steadily and in fact the fertility rate isn't high enough to even keep our population constant

So every part of your argument fails

 

[Blues Man]

So you're we're going to be overpopulated with poor kids who grow up to be criminals argument is utter bullshit.

Not at all. I'm sorry you didn't understand the argument. It's not just poor kids, it's UNWANTED kids. Kids who grow up with the burden that "you ruined my life you little bastard" because they were raised by people who didn't want them and had no capablity to raise them.

Every child a wanted child.

You seem to forget that my mother was 1/2 Black
This is the 7th or 8th time I've told you that. Are you sure you don't have a brain tumor or dementia

Um, no, I Just don't really believe a fucking thing you say...

But even if I did, the worst kind of racist is the self-loathing kind. This buys you nothing with me. The fact you are willing to throw in with the racists on every issue, whether it be gun control ("it's just the darkies shooting each other, so no problem') or abortion (Oh, my god, we aren't making enough babies to keep up with the darkies) says it all.

Every child a wanted child.

Hear hear!

That's not true now if it was we would have no need for child protective services

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

All their screaming about "infanticide" aside, do you ever wonder what our country would look like if the Anti-Choice fanatics got their way.

Well, thanks to the modern miracles of actually understanding there is a rest of the world out there, we have a real life example.

The Philippines, former American Colony, has exactly the kind of anti-choice laws you guys want.

How's that working out.. Well, let's review.

Unintended Pregnancy and Unsafe Abortion in the Philippines

• The Philippines abortion law is among the strictest in the world. Abortion is illegal under all circumstances and there are no explicit exceptions. Nonetheless, because of high levels of unintended pregnancy, abortion is common in the country. Projections that were based on the national abortion rate in 2000 (the most recent available) and that took into account population increase estimated that 560,000 abortions occurred in 2008 and 610,000 abortions took place in 2012.[2,8,9]

• About 1,000 Filipino women die each year from abortion complications, which contributes to the nation’s high maternal mortality rate. Projections that were based on data from 2000 indicate that 100,000 women were hospitalized for abortion complications in 2012; countless others suffered complications that went untreated.[4,9]

• The stigma surrounding abortion makes it difficult for women to seek postabortion care. Some women report feeling shamed and intimidated by health care workers and in some cases, women are not given pain relievers or anesthetics or are denied treatment all together. Others report being threatened that they would be turned over to the police.[5,8]

What would America be like if the left started advocating responsibility instead of victimhood ?

 

[JoeB131]

You can't lie your way out of this, Nazi Joe. Sanger promoted STERILIZATION of the "Negro Race," which you claim they welcomed.

You are one sick, SICK fuck, Nazi Joe.

Um, no, she didn't. I'm sorry you know so little about sex that you don't understand the difference between sterilization and contraception.

Then again, with you, your personality is probably enough to provide birth control.

"Give me some pussy, you commie bitch!"

 

[JoeB131]

Good ole Marg.....

"In case of refusal such persons should have a choice of sterilization or isolation. Under no circumstances should the state allow such parents to cast their diseased and demented progeny upon society for the normal and fit to provide for."

You do realize she was specifically talking about people with serious genetic conditions, right? People who were so retarded that they couldn't take care of a baby to start with.

Ole Joe will be here to defend her any minute now....

Well, kind of easy when you guys lie so openly.

Here's the quote in context..

The Public Papers of Margaret Sanger: Web Edition

As an aside, this was an unpublished paper at a time when the mentally ill were regularly sterilized for their own good.

 

[Jitss617]

All their screaming about "infanticide" aside, do you ever wonder what our country would look like if the Anti-Choice fanatics got their way.

Well, thanks to the modern miracles of actually understanding there is a rest of the world out there, we have a real life example.

The Philippines, former American Colony, has exactly the kind of anti-choice laws you guys want.

How's that working out.. Well, let's review.

Unintended Pregnancy and Unsafe Abortion in the Philippines

• The Philippines abortion law is among the strictest in the world. Abortion is illegal under all circumstances and there are no explicit exceptions. Nonetheless, because of high levels of unintended pregnancy, abortion is common in the country. Projections that were based on the national abortion rate in 2000 (the most recent available) and that took into account population increase estimated that 560,000 abortions occurred in 2008 and 610,000 abortions took place in 2012.[2,8,9]

• About 1,000 Filipino women die each year from abortion complications, which contributes to the nation’s high maternal mortality rate. Projections that were based on data from 2000 indicate that 100,000 women were hospitalized for abortion complications in 2012; countless others suffered complications that went untreated.[4,9]

• The stigma surrounding abortion makes it difficult for women to seek postabortion care. Some women report feeling shamed and intimidated by health care workers and in some cases, women are not given pain relievers or anesthetics or are denied treatment all together. Others report being threatened that they would be turned over to the police.[5,8]

More responsible people

 

[JoeB131]

What would America be like if the left started advocating responsibility instead of victimhood ?

Not bringing an unwanted baby into the world sounds pretty responsible to me.

The funny thing is, if you guys cared as much for poor kids as you do fetuses, we'd have some outright fucking socialism in this country.

 

[JoeB131]

More responsible people

Another one who never had sex, obviously.

 

[Jitss617]

More responsible people

Another one who never had sex, obviously.

More then you ever had

 

[JoeB131]

And what issues are those?

The ones you disagree with?

You're such a mental midget that you really think everyone who disagrees with you is a racist.

Um, no, just the ones who minimize gun violence by treating the deaths of minorities as no big deal. Or the ones are horrified white folks aren't having enough unwanted babies.

And FYI I am not antiabortion I just don't make up bullshit reasons why abortion should be legal.

The number of abortions performed in the US has been dropping steadily

Again, a misleading number. The number of SURGICAL abortions has been dropping. This is largely because chemical abortions like the morning after pill are more readily available. again, this is a good thing.

The birth rate is dropping steadily and in fact the fertility rate isn't high enough to even keep our population constant

So every part of your argument fails

Again, we can bring in immigrants, and we're fine. Not an issue.

 

[JoeB131]

More then you ever had

Fairly unlikely... My guess, you don't get the level of hostility towards women you have with a healthy sex life.