What Would You Do? (Education)

[Unkotare]

... What good does it do to give a 5th grader a geography book on the 5th grade level when they are reading at a 3rd grade level.....

Why would you assume they are?

It is a fact.
Test results: 7 in 10 kids below grade level

Not because students are studying other subjects. Withholding other subjects will not address whatever is causing some students to fall behind.

In your opinion, what IS causing other students to fall behind?

A combination of factors, and the combination is different for different students in different places and circumstances.

 

[Jackson]

... What good does it do to give a 5th grader a geography book on the 5th grade level when they are reading at a 3rd grade level.....

Why would you assume they are?

It is a fact.
Test results: 7 in 10 kids below grade level

Not because students are studying other subjects. Withholding other subjects will not address whatever is causing some students to fall behind.

You know nothing that is going on in our schools.

I'm pretty sure I know much, much better than you. I'm in "our schools" every day. Are you?

I was for 32 years as well as being a teacher, a specialist and a consultant to mentor teachers and recommend firing or hiring after the first year of mentorship. One of ten individuals in a staff for a major city in the US.

 

[Jackson]

... What good does it do to give a 5th grader a geography book on the 5th grade level when they are reading at a 3rd grade level.....

Why would you assume they are?

It is a fact.
Test results: 7 in 10 kids below grade level

Not because students are studying other subjects. Withholding other subjects will not address whatever is causing some students to fall behind.

In your opinion, what IS causing other students to fall behind?

A combination of factors, and the combination is different for different students in different places and circumstances.

So what do you blame the failure of 70-% of our 6th graders to meet grade level? You don't think we are doing something wrong?

 

[Spare_change]

... What good does it do to give a 5th grader a geography book on the 5th grade level when they are reading at a 3rd grade level.....

Why would you assume they are?

It is a fact.
Test results: 7 in 10 kids below grade level

Not because students are studying other subjects. Withholding other subjects will not address whatever is causing some students to fall behind.

In your opinion, what IS causing other students to fall behind?

A combination of factors, and the combination is different for different students in different places and circumstances.

Don't dance ... tell us. We want to know. What are the factors?

 

[Unkotare]

Why would you assume they are?

It is a fact.
Test results: 7 in 10 kids below grade level

Not because students are studying other subjects. Withholding other subjects will not address whatever is causing some students to fall behind.

In your opinion, what IS causing other students to fall behind?

A combination of factors, and the combination is different for different students in different places and circumstances.

Don't dance ... tell us. We want to know. What are the factors?

How much time you got? There is the native intelligence of the individual students involved, cultural attitudes towards education, nutrition, sleep, environment, Affective issues of every sort, quality of instruction, curriculum, facilities, etc.

 

[Jackson]

It is a fact.
Test results: 7 in 10 kids below grade level

Not because students are studying other subjects. Withholding other subjects will not address whatever is causing some students to fall behind.

In your opinion, what IS causing other students to fall behind?

A combination of factors, and the combination is different for different students in different places and circumstances.

Don't dance ... tell us. We want to know. What are the factors?

How much time you got? There is the native intelligence of the individual students involved, cultural attitudes towards education, nutrition, sleep, environment, Affective issues of every sort, quality of instruction, curriculum, facilities, etc.

Placing blame on the families does not help. We have the authority to create a curriculum that fosters excellence in the students. I taught in the inner city as well. You are placing the effectiveness squarely on the shoulders of the families when we should be supporting them and working with them.

 

[Unkotare]

It is a fact.
Test results: 7 in 10 kids below grade level

Not because students are studying other subjects. Withholding other subjects will not address whatever is causing some students to fall behind.

In your opinion, what IS causing other students to fall behind?

A combination of factors, and the combination is different for different students in different places and circumstances.

Don't dance ... tell us. We want to know. What are the factors?

How much time you got? There is the native intelligence of the individual students involved, cultural attitudes towards education, nutrition, sleep, environment, Affective issues of every sort, quality of instruction, curriculum, facilities, etc.

And of course I should mention the student's security, state of mind, and support structure, among many other possible factors in many possible combinations.

 

[Unkotare]

Not because students are studying other subjects. Withholding other subjects will not address whatever is causing some students to fall behind.

In your opinion, what IS causing other students to fall behind?

A combination of factors, and the combination is different for different students in different places and circumstances.

Don't dance ... tell us. We want to know. What are the factors?

How much time you got? There is the native intelligence of the individual students involved, cultural attitudes towards education, nutrition, sleep, environment, Affective issues of every sort, quality of instruction, curriculum, facilities, etc.

Placing blame on the families does not help. We have the authority to create a curriculum that fosters excellence in the students. I taught in the inner city as well. You are placing the effectiveness squarely on the shoulders of the families ....

How do you read that from my post? Did you really read it?

 

[Jackson]

Not because students are studying other subjects. Withholding other subjects will not address whatever is causing some students to fall behind.

In your opinion, what IS causing other students to fall behind?

A combination of factors, and the combination is different for different students in different places and circumstances.

Don't dance ... tell us. We want to know. What are the factors?

How much time you got? There is the native intelligence of the individual students involved, cultural attitudes towards education, nutrition, sleep, environment, Affective issues of every sort, quality of instruction, curriculum, facilities, etc.

And of course I should mention the student's security, state of mind, and support structure, among many other possible factors in many possible combinations.

Anything taking the blame off of us and put on the families. We have to change the the curriculum from social engineering to purely academics. Also, the families have to finally understand that they, too have the power of making sure their child is prepared for school and supporting the teachers in making sure they are doing homework and understanding that retention is indeed an option at the end of the year if they cannot master the basics of the program.

 

[Jackson]

In your opinion, what IS causing other students to fall behind?

A combination of factors, and the combination is different for different students in different places and circumstances.

Don't dance ... tell us. We want to know. What are the factors?

How much time you got? There is the native intelligence of the individual students involved, cultural attitudes towards education, nutrition, sleep, environment, Affective issues of every sort, quality of instruction, curriculum, facilities, etc.

Placing blame on the families does not help. We have the authority to create a curriculum that fosters excellence in the students. I taught in the inner city as well. You are placing the effectiveness squarely on the shoulders of the families ....

How do you read that from my post? Did you really read it?

Yes I did. Nutrition? We feed them breakfast and lunch. Sleep and environment is where you place the blame on the families. A good teacher can affect the out come by motivating students and families, proper teaching and reteaching and creating a good rapport with the parents.

 

[Unkotare]

A combination of factors, and the combination is different for different students in different places and circumstances.

Don't dance ... tell us. We want to know. What are the factors?

How much time you got? There is the native intelligence of the individual students involved, cultural attitudes towards education, nutrition, sleep, environment, Affective issues of every sort, quality of instruction, curriculum, facilities, etc.

Placing blame on the families does not help. We have the authority to create a curriculum that fosters excellence in the students. I taught in the inner city as well. You are placing the effectiveness squarely on the shoulders of the families ....

How do you read that from my post? Did you really read it?

Yes I did. Nutrition? We feed them breakfast and lunch. ....

That does not encompass the whole of even that one factor.

 

[Unkotare]

.... Sleep and environment is where you place the blame on the families.......

Did I say as much? Stop making assumptions. You seem desperate to imagine an 'attack' on families while apparently assuming schools can take their place.

 

[Unkotare]

.....A good teacher can affect the out come by motivating students and families, proper teaching and reteaching and creating a good rapport with the parents.

A teacher, good or bad, cannot create the home environment for a student.

 

[Unkotare]

...
Anything taking the blame off of us and put on the families. ....

You didn't read my post.

 

[Unkotare]

....We have to change the the curriculum from social engineering to purely academics. .....

Other posts of yours suggest the opposite position. Which is it?

 

[Jackson]

.... Sleep and environment is where you place the blame on the families.......

Did I say as much? Stop making assumptions. You seem desperate to imagine an 'attack' on families while apparently assuming schools can take their place.

I've had students that were abandoned, raped (often!) and their home life is in crisis mode. School is a haven for them. They look forward to coming and try to please the teacher. They work very hard for their progress despite their home life.

 

[Unkotare]

.... Sleep and environment is where you place the blame on the families.......

Did I say as much? Stop making assumptions. You seem desperate to imagine an 'attack' on families while apparently assuming schools can take their place.

I've had students that were abandoned, raped (often!) and their home life is in crisis mode. School is a haven for them. They look forward to coming and try to please the teacher. They work very hard for their progress despite their home life.

And some kids respond differently to that sort of thing. Sooner or later it affects everyone's performance at school to have that kind of crisis at home.

 

[Spare_change]

It is a fact.
Test results: 7 in 10 kids below grade level

Not because students are studying other subjects. Withholding other subjects will not address whatever is causing some students to fall behind.

In your opinion, what IS causing other students to fall behind?

A combination of factors, and the combination is different for different students in different places and circumstances.

Don't dance ... tell us. We want to know. What are the factors?

How much time you got? There is the native intelligence of the individual students involved, cultural attitudes towards education, nutrition, sleep, environment, Affective issues of every sort, quality of instruction, curriculum, facilities, etc.

Then, let's just narrow it down to the factors that the education system can affect. Nobody seriously questions the liability of parents for poor student performance, but we can only deal with what we can deal with.

What are the factors, influenced by the school system, that we can work on?

 

[Unkotare]

Not because students are studying other subjects. Withholding other subjects will not address whatever is causing some students to fall behind.

In your opinion, what IS causing other students to fall behind?

A combination of factors, and the combination is different for different students in different places and circumstances.

Don't dance ... tell us. We want to know. What are the factors?

How much time you got? There is the native intelligence of the individual students involved, cultural attitudes towards education, nutrition, sleep, environment, Affective issues of every sort, quality of instruction, curriculum, facilities, etc.

Then, let's just narrow it down to the factors that the education system can affect. Nobody seriously questions the liability of parents for poor student performance, but we can only deal with what we can deal with.

What are the factors, influenced by the school system, that we can work on?

The problem is, if those other factors are not addressed the ones the schools tackle will never be enough to overcome the obstacles to student success. This is basically where we are now.

 

[Spare_change]

In your opinion, what IS causing other students to fall behind?

A combination of factors, and the combination is different for different students in different places and circumstances.

Don't dance ... tell us. We want to know. What are the factors?

How much time you got? There is the native intelligence of the individual students involved, cultural attitudes towards education, nutrition, sleep, environment, Affective issues of every sort, quality of instruction, curriculum, facilities, etc.

Then, let's just narrow it down to the factors that the education system can affect. Nobody seriously questions the liability of parents for poor student performance, but we can only deal with what we can deal with.

What are the factors, influenced by the school system, that we can work on?

The problem is, if those other factors are not addressed the ones the schools tackle will never be enough to overcome the obstacles to student success. This is basically where we are now.

I recognize that ---- but you must recognize that the ability of the people to influence change is limited to certain areas. Tell me what I can influence. Tell me what my school board can do.

Surely, we're not supposed to just throw our hands in the air and surrender.