When republicans Can't Win Honestly, Just Change The Census

[pinqy]

The ACLU has found new evidence that the addition of if a person is a citizen on the 2020 census was nothing but a republican ploy to disenfranchise everyone who isn't republican or white. That the government lied in court about it too.

It's disgusting. The republicans can't win in an honest election so they cheat. They've been cheating for years by keeping people from voting and gerrymandering states.

This has added to the horrible divide in our nation and has to stop.

If you can't win on your platform, the answer isn't to cheat. The answer is to change your views so that people will vote for you or get more politicians in your party that have different views that will attract voters. As it is now, your platform and policies are nothing but a nightmare and sending people running from the republican party in horror.

For those too cheap to pay for a subscription to the Washington Post, I've copied and pasted the article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...501070ee669_story.html?utm_term=.5a46a9d27f09

By Tara Bahrampour and Robert Barnes
May 30 at 1:23 PM
Just weeks before the Supreme Court is expected to rule on whether the Trump administration can add a citizenship question to the 2020 Census, new evidence emerged Thursday suggesting the question was crafted specifically to give an electoral advantage to white Republicans.

The evidence was found in the files of the prominent Republican redistricting strategist Thomas Hofeller after his death in August. It reveals that Hofeller “played a significant role in orchestrating the addition of the citizenship question to the 2020 Decennial Census in order to create a structural electoral advantage for, in his own words, ‘Republicans and Non-Hispanic Whites,’ ” and that Trump administration officials purposely obscured Hofeller’s role in court proceedings, lawyers for plaintiffs challenging the question wrote in a letter to U.S. District Judge Jesse M. Furman. Furman was one of three federal judges who ruled against the question this year.


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Dana7360

So you think the census should be what? Everyone on the planet?

Of course it should only be for citizens.

The Constitution disagrees with you.

 

[Clementine]

The ACLU has found new evidence that the addition of if a person is a citizen on the 2020 census was nothing but a republican ploy to disenfranchise everyone who isn't republican or white. That the government lied in court about it too.

It's disgusting. The republicans can't win in an honest election so they cheat. They've been cheating for years by keeping people from voting and gerrymandering states.

This has added to the horrible divide in our nation and has to stop.

If you can't win on your platform, the answer isn't to cheat. The answer is to change your views so that people will vote for you or get more politicians in your party that have different views that will attract voters. As it is now, your platform and policies are nothing but a nightmare and sending people running from the republican party in horror.

For those too cheap to pay for a subscription to the Washington Post, I've copied and pasted the article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...501070ee669_story.html?utm_term=.5a46a9d27f09

By Tara Bahrampour and Robert Barnes
May 30 at 1:23 PM
Just weeks before the Supreme Court is expected to rule on whether the Trump administration can add a citizenship question to the 2020 Census, new evidence emerged Thursday suggesting the question was crafted specifically to give an electoral advantage to white Republicans.

The evidence was found in the files of the prominent Republican redistricting strategist Thomas Hofeller after his death in August. It reveals that Hofeller “played a significant role in orchestrating the addition of the citizenship question to the 2020 Decennial Census in order to create a structural electoral advantage for, in his own words, ‘Republicans and Non-Hispanic Whites,’ ” and that Trump administration officials purposely obscured Hofeller’s role in court proceedings, lawyers for plaintiffs challenging the question wrote in a letter to U.S. District Judge Jesse M. Furman. Furman was one of three federal judges who ruled against the question this year.


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Dana7360

The ACLU is full of shit and are all about a radical leftist agenda. It's the left that allows millions of non-citizens to vote. They also count them in the Census to ensure that sanctuary states get more electoral votes. Even that wasn't enough so now they are trying to disobey the law and not respect the electoral voting system. They are the whiny babies who randomly change rules when they aren't getting their way.

 

[Papageorgio]

The ACLU has found new evidence that the addition of if a person is a citizen on the 2020 census was nothing but a republican ploy to disenfranchise everyone who isn't republican or white. That the government lied in court about it too.

It's disgusting. The republicans can't win in an honest election so they cheat. They've been cheating for years by keeping people from voting and gerrymandering states.

This has added to the horrible divide in our nation and has to stop.

If you can't win on your platform, the answer isn't to cheat. The answer is to change your views so that people will vote for you or get more politicians in your party that have different views that will attract voters. As it is now, your platform and policies are nothing but a nightmare and sending people running from the republican party in horror.

For those too cheap to pay for a subscription to the Washington Post, I've copied and pasted the article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...501070ee669_story.html?utm_term=.5a46a9d27f09

By Tara Bahrampour and Robert Barnes
May 30 at 1:23 PM
Just weeks before the Supreme Court is expected to rule on whether the Trump administration can add a citizenship question to the 2020 Census, new evidence emerged Thursday suggesting the question was crafted specifically to give an electoral advantage to white Republicans.

The evidence was found in the files of the prominent Republican redistricting strategist Thomas Hofeller after his death in August. It reveals that Hofeller “played a significant role in orchestrating the addition of the citizenship question to the 2020 Decennial Census in order to create a structural electoral advantage for, in his own words, ‘Republicans and Non-Hispanic Whites,’ ” and that Trump administration officials purposely obscured Hofeller’s role in court proceedings, lawyers for plaintiffs challenging the question wrote in a letter to U.S. District Judge Jesse M. Furman. Furman was one of three federal judges who ruled against the question this year.


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Dana7360

Again, the word "allegations" is there, I will wait to see what a court decides. Not trusting where lawyers claim to have evidence and then make allegations, it is just double speak to me.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The ACLU has found new evidence that the addition of if a person is a citizen on the 2020 census was nothing but a republican ploy to disenfranchise everyone who isn't republican or white. That the government lied in court about it too.

It's disgusting. The republicans can't win in an honest election so they cheat. They've been cheating for years by keeping people from voting and gerrymandering states.

This has added to the horrible divide in our nation and has to stop.

If you can't win on your platform, the answer isn't to cheat. The answer is to change your views so that people will vote for you or get more politicians in your party that have different views that will attract voters. As it is now, your platform and policies are nothing but a nightmare and sending people running from the republican party in horror.

For those too cheap to pay for a subscription to the Washington Post, I've copied and pasted the article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...501070ee669_story.html?utm_term=.5a46a9d27f09

By Tara Bahrampour and Robert Barnes
May 30 at 1:23 PM
Just weeks before the Supreme Court is expected to rule on whether the Trump administration can add a citizenship question to the 2020 Census, new evidence emerged Thursday suggesting the question was crafted specifically to give an electoral advantage to white Republicans.

The evidence was found in the files of the prominent Republican redistricting strategist Thomas Hofeller after his death in August. It reveals that Hofeller “played a significant role in orchestrating the addition of the citizenship question to the 2020 Decennial Census in order to create a structural electoral advantage for, in his own words, ‘Republicans and Non-Hispanic Whites,’ ” and that Trump administration officials purposely obscured Hofeller’s role in court proceedings, lawyers for plaintiffs challenging the question wrote in a letter to U.S. District Judge Jesse M. Furman. Furman was one of three federal judges who ruled against the question this year.


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Dana7360

The ACLU has found new evidence that the addition of if a person is a citizen on the 2020 census was nothing but a republican ploy to disenfranchise everyone who isn't republican or white.

How will the Census stop you from voting?

Be as specific as you can.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

The ACLU has found new evidence that the addition of if a person is a citizen on the 2020 census was nothing but a republican ploy to disenfranchise everyone who isn't republican or white. That the government lied in court about it too.

It's disgusting. The republicans can't win in an honest election so they cheat. They've been cheating for years by keeping people from voting and gerrymandering states.

This has added to the horrible divide in our nation and has to stop.

If you can't win on your platform, the answer isn't to cheat. The answer is to change your views so that people will vote for you or get more politicians in your party that have different views that will attract voters. As it is now, your platform and policies are nothing but a nightmare and sending people running from the republican party in horror.

For those too cheap to pay for a subscription to the Washington Post, I've copied and pasted the article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...501070ee669_story.html?utm_term=.5a46a9d27f09

By Tara Bahrampour and Robert Barnes
May 30 at 1:23 PM
Just weeks before the Supreme Court is expected to rule on whether the Trump administration can add a citizenship question to the 2020 Census, new evidence emerged Thursday suggesting the question was crafted specifically to give an electoral advantage to white Republicans.

The evidence was found in the files of the prominent Republican redistricting strategist Thomas Hofeller after his death in August. It reveals that Hofeller “played a significant role in orchestrating the addition of the citizenship question to the 2020 Decennial Census in order to create a structural electoral advantage for, in his own words, ‘Republicans and Non-Hispanic Whites,’ ” and that Trump administration officials purposely obscured Hofeller’s role in court proceedings, lawyers for plaintiffs challenging the question wrote in a letter to U.S. District Judge Jesse M. Furman. Furman was one of three federal judges who ruled against the question this year.


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Dana7360

So you think the census should be what? Everyone on the planet?

Of course it should only be for citizens.

The Constitution disagrees with you.

How? Point out where our census is anything other than citizens.

 

[pinqy]

So you think the census should be what? Everyone on the planet?

Of course it should only be for citizens.

The Constitution disagrees with you.

How? Point out where our census is anything other than citizens.

Article I, Section 2, as amended by amendment XIV
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.


Nothing in there about citizens.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

So you think the census should be what? Everyone on the planet?

Of course it should only be for citizens.

The Constitution disagrees with you.

How? Point out where our census is anything other than citizens.

Article I, Section 2, as amended by amendment XIV
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.


Nothing in there about citizens.

There is nothing in half of our guiding documents about "citizens" ya tard.

 

[Wyatt earp]

So you think the census should be what? Everyone on the planet?

Of course it should only be for citizens.

The Constitution disagrees with you.

How? Point out where our census is anything other than citizens.

Article I, Section 2, as amended by amendment XIV
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.


Nothing in there about citizens.

Translation~ with the citizen question we can't get more government hand outs.


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[Remodeling Maidiac]

Isn't it funny how the jackasses on the left consider the constitution a living and breathing document that "evolves" or whatever the fuck they're calling it these days, UNTIL... A firm and literal reading of it suits their agenda. Then, and only then, is it to be taken at face value.

 

[Third Party]

The ACLU has found new evidence that the addition of if a person is a citizen on the 2020 census was nothing but a republican ploy to disenfranchise everyone who isn't republican or white. That the government lied in court about it too.

It's disgusting. The republicans can't win in an honest election so they cheat. They've been cheating for years by keeping people from voting and gerrymandering states.

This has added to the horrible divide in our nation and has to stop.

If you can't win on your platform, the answer isn't to cheat. The answer is to change your views so that people will vote for you or get more politicians in your party that have different views that will attract voters. As it is now, your platform and policies are nothing but a nightmare and sending people running from the republican party in horror.

For those too cheap to pay for a subscription to the Washington Post, I've copied and pasted the article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...501070ee669_story.html?utm_term=.5a46a9d27f09

By Tara Bahrampour and Robert Barnes
May 30 at 1:23 PM
Just weeks before the Supreme Court is expected to rule on whether the Trump administration can add a citizenship question to the 2020 Census, new evidence emerged Thursday suggesting the question was crafted specifically to give an electoral advantage to white Republicans.

The evidence was found in the files of the prominent Republican redistricting strategist Thomas Hofeller after his death in August. It reveals that Hofeller “played a significant role in orchestrating the addition of the citizenship question to the 2020 Decennial Census in order to create a structural electoral advantage for, in his own words, ‘Republicans and Non-Hispanic Whites,’ ” and that Trump administration officials purposely obscured Hofeller’s role in court proceedings, lawyers for plaintiffs challenging the question wrote in a letter to U.S. District Judge Jesse M. Furman. Furman was one of three federal judges who ruled against the question this year.

The letter drew on new information discovered on hard drives belonging to Hofeller, which were found accidentally by Hofeller’s estranged daughter. Stephanie Hofeller Lizon then shared them with the organization Common Cause for a gerrymandering lawsuit it is pursuing in North Carolina.

The files show that Hofeller concluded in a 2015 study that adding a citizenship question to the 2020 Census “would clearly be a disadvantage to the Democrats” and “advantageous to Republicans and Non-Hispanic Whites” in redistricting, and then pushed the idea with the Trump administration in 2017, according to the letter to Furman.

The evidence, which was first reported by The New York Times, contradicts sworn testimony by Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross’s expert adviser A. Mark Neuman and senior Justice Department official John Gore, as well as other testimony by defendants, the letter said.

The Commerce and Justice departments did not respond to questions about the new information.

The American Civil Liberties Union filed a motion in district court Thursday morning for “sanctions and any other relief the court deems appropriate, because of apparently untruthful testimony” by Trump administration officials in the earlier trials, said Dale Ho, who argued the case at the Supreme Court on behalf of the ACLU.

It is unclear how the information might affect deliberations at the Supreme Court. The ACLU Thursday afternoon filed a letter with the court to “respectfully inform” it of the motion filed in the New York district court and that a hearing was scheduled for next week.

The letter repeated the charge contained in the earlier letter to Furman that Hofeller played a significant role in adding the citizenship question to the 2020 Census “to create an electoral advantage for, in his own words, ‘Republicans and Non-Hispanic Whites,’ and that Petitioners (the government) obscured his role through affirmative misrepresentations.”

The lette from Ho did not ask the court to take action, but drew its attention to the new motion and that the hearing would be Wednesday.

“Witnesses misrepresented the origin and purpose of their effort to add a citizenship question to the census,” Ho said in a statement accompanying release of the letter. “Their goal was not to protect voting rights, but to dilute the voting power of minority communities. We look forward to Wednesday’s hearing and will keep the Supreme Court aware of any further developments.”

The Supreme Court heard the case on April 23. Evidence in the case concluded with oral arguments that day, and it appeared the conservative majority seemed inclined to agree with the government that the decision to add the question was within the authority of the commerce secretary.

If the court followed normal procedure, it voted that week on the outcome of the case, and the justices are now writing the opinion.

The ACLU also asked the district court to allow previously redacted testimony from Neuman to be made public. On Thursday, Furman ordered that the government must provide a response by 10 a.m. Friday and called a hearing on the matter for Wednesday.

The new information indicates that blueprints for adding a citizenship question to the 2020 Census predated the Trump administration, but Donald Trump’s election allowed them to become a reality, Ho said.

“It just shows that there was a long-standing plan to weaponize the census to dilute minority voting power to try to forestall the electoral effects of the demographic changes that this country is undergoing,” he said.

Ho said sanctions could include fines imposed on witnesses or the government, a reopening of the case or an amendment of the final judgment to account for new evidence.

The population count from the decennial census is used to allocate $800 billion a year in federal funding and determine congressional representation and redistricting. Opponents of the citizenship question have argued that it will suppress response to the survey among immigrant communities, resulting in an undercount in the areas where they live.

Hofeller’s files also reveal that in August 2017, he helped ghostwrite a draft Department of Justice letter to the Commerce Department requesting a citizenship question and coming up with a rationale — to help enforce the Voting Rights Act, the plaintiffs’ lawyers said. He then gave this letter to Gore, the principal deputy assistant attorney general, in October 2017, they said.

The genesis of that request and the rationale behind it were key questions in trials challenging the question. Ross initially had told Congress that the request was initiated by the Justice Department in a December 2017 letter, but administration documents released in the case later indicated that it came at Ross’s urging, starting months earlier. Census and voting rights experts have said the question is not needed to enforce the Voting Rights Act.

The Justice Department letter “bears striking similarities to Dr. Hofeller’s 2015 study, stating that a citizenship question on the Census was essential to advantaging Republicans and white voters,” the letter to Furman said. It added: “Based on this new evidence, it appears that both Neuman and Gore falsely testified about the genesis of DOJ’s request to Commerce in ways that obscured the pretextual character of the request.”

Critics of the question blasted the administration after the news broke.

“Republican political operatives plainly want to deny communities of color the health care, education and other services they need in order to consolidate GOP power and a whiter electorate,” said Vanita Gupta, president and CEO of the Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights. “We call on Congress to hold Trump administration officials — including Secretary Ross — accountable now and not to wait until after the Supreme Court ruling to do so.”

Terri Ann Lowenthal, a former staff director of the House census oversight subcommittee, said the new information undercut bureau’s years of work to plan a nonpartisan count.

“Revelations that this administration threw a grenade into that process in order to achieve partisan goals must be a gut-punch to every career Census employee whose goal is to earn the public’s trust and confidence in the 2020 Census,” she said.

In April the high court’s five conservatives seemed to lean toward allowing the question, citing the Voting Rights Act rationale and focusing not on Ross’s motivations, but rather on whether he was simply using the power he was authorized to exercise.

The court’s liberal justices were skeptical. Justice Elana Kagan said Ross seemed to be “shopping for a need,” trying unsuccessfully to get Justice and Homeland Security officials to request the question before finally getting the Justice Department to agree.

“You can’t read this record without sensing that this — this need is a contrived one,” she said. “There have been lots of assistant attorneys general in the [Justice Department’s] Civil Rights Division that have never made a plea for this kind of data.”

Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh wondered if courts should be making the decision. “The statute that Congress has passed gives huge discretion to the secretary how to fill out the form, what to put on the form,” he said.

If Congress is unhappy with the secretary’s decision, “why doesn’t Congress prohibit the asking of a citizenship question in the same way that Congress has explicitly provided that no one can be compelled to provide religious information?” Kavanaugh asked.

Since taking the majority in January, some House Democrats have sought to do exactly that, but they have accused the administration of stymying their efforts.

I hope you don't trust the ACLU?

I trust the factual documents they have and have formally submitted to the court.

Why wouldn't you?

Years ago, yes. The past 10, I have noticed a definite bias.

 

[easyt65]

The ACLU has found new evidence that the addition of if a person is a citizen on the 2020 census was nothing but a republican ploy to disenfranchise everyone who isn't republican or white. That the government lied in court about it too.

It's disgusting. The republicans can't win in an honest election so they cheat. They've been cheating for years by keeping people from voting and gerrymandering states.

This has added to the horrible divide in our nation and has to stop.

If you can't win on your platform, the answer isn't to cheat. The answer is to change your views so that people will vote for you or get more politicians in your party that have different views that will attract voters. As it is now, your platform and policies are nothing but a nightmare and sending people running from the republican party in horror.

For those too cheap to pay for a subscription to the Washington Post, I've copied and pasted the article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...501070ee669_story.html?utm_term=.5a46a9d27f09

By Tara Bahrampour and Robert Barnes
May 30 at 1:23 PM
Just weeks before the Supreme Court is expected to rule on whether the Trump administration can add a citizenship question to the 2020 Census, new evidence emerged Thursday suggesting the question was crafted specifically to give an electoral advantage to white Republicans.

The evidence was found in the files of the prominent Republican redistricting strategist Thomas Hofeller after his death in August. It reveals that Hofeller “played a significant role in orchestrating the addition of the citizenship question to the 2020 Decennial Census in order to create a structural electoral advantage for, in his own words, ‘Republicans and Non-Hispanic Whites,’ ” and that Trump administration officials purposely obscured Hofeller’s role in court proceedings, lawyers for plaintiffs challenging the question wrote in a letter to U.S. District Judge Jesse M. Furman. Furman was one of three federal judges who ruled against the question this year.


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Funny....you seem to define 'winning' as successfully trying to find out EXACTLY how many illegals are in this country, a staggering number Democrats do NOT want the American people to find out (lest they finally realize how massive the problem the Democrats have facilitated truly is)...

...and you show the same snowflake / Democrat 'joy' in preventing the Americans from finding out...

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The ACLU has found new evidence that the addition of if a person is a citizen on the 2020 census was nothing but a republican ploy to disenfranchise everyone who isn't republican or white. That the government lied in court about it too.

It's disgusting. The republicans can't win in an honest election so they cheat. They've been cheating for years by keeping people from voting and gerrymandering states.

This has added to the horrible divide in our nation and has to stop.

If you can't win on your platform, the answer isn't to cheat. The answer is to change your views so that people will vote for you or get more politicians in your party that have different views that will attract voters. As it is now, your platform and policies are nothing but a nightmare and sending people running from the republican party in horror.

For those too cheap to pay for a subscription to the Washington Post, I've copied and pasted the article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...501070ee669_story.html?utm_term=.5a46a9d27f09

By Tara Bahrampour and Robert Barnes
May 30 at 1:23 PM
Just weeks before the Supreme Court is expected to rule on whether the Trump administration can add a citizenship question to the 2020 Census, new evidence emerged Thursday suggesting the question was crafted specifically to give an electoral advantage to white Republicans.

The evidence was found in the files of the prominent Republican redistricting strategist Thomas Hofeller after his death in August. It reveals that Hofeller “played a significant role in orchestrating the addition of the citizenship question to the 2020 Decennial Census in order to create a structural electoral advantage for, in his own words, ‘Republicans and Non-Hispanic Whites,’ ” and that Trump administration officials purposely obscured Hofeller’s role in court proceedings, lawyers for plaintiffs challenging the question wrote in a letter to U.S. District Judge Jesse M. Furman. Furman was one of three federal judges who ruled against the question this year.


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Dana7360

Funny....you seem to define 'winning' as successfully trying to find out EXACTLY how many illegals are in this country, a staggering number Democrats do NOT want the American people to find out (lest they finally realize how massive the problem the Democrats have facilitated truly is)...

...and you show the same snowflake / Democrat 'joy' in preventing the Americans from finding out...

If we knew the actual number, it's likely Democrats would lose a lot of their support against building the wall and various other attempts Trump is making to seal off the border.

 

[Crixus]

The ACLU has found new evidence that the addition of if a person is a citizen on the 2020 census was nothing but a republican ploy to disenfranchise everyone who isn't republican or white. That the government lied in court about it too.

It's disgusting. The republicans can't win in an honest election so they cheat. They've been cheating for years by keeping people from voting and gerrymandering states.

This has added to the horrible divide in our nation and has to stop.

If you can't win on your platform, the answer isn't to cheat. The answer is to change your views so that people will vote for you or get more politicians in your party that have different views that will attract voters. As it is now, your platform and policies are nothing but a nightmare and sending people running from the republican party in horror.

For those too cheap to pay for a subscription to the Washington Post, I've copied and pasted the article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...501070ee669_story.html?utm_term=.5a46a9d27f09

By Tara Bahrampour and Robert Barnes
May 30 at 1:23 PM
Just weeks before the Supreme Court is expected to rule on whether the Trump administration can add a citizenship question to the 2020 Census, new evidence emerged Thursday suggesting the question was crafted specifically to give an electoral advantage to white Republicans.

The evidence was found in the files of the prominent Republican redistricting strategist Thomas Hofeller after his death in August. It reveals that Hofeller “played a significant role in orchestrating the addition of the citizenship question to the 2020 Decennial Census in order to create a structural electoral advantage for, in his own words, ‘Republicans and Non-Hispanic Whites,’ ” and that Trump administration officials purposely obscured Hofeller’s role in court proceedings, lawyers for plaintiffs challenging the question wrote in a letter to U.S. District Judge Jesse M. Furman. Furman was one of three federal judges who ruled against the question this year.


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Dana7360

Yawn.

 

[pinqy]

So you think the census should be what? Everyone on the planet?

Of course it should only be for citizens.

The Constitution disagrees with you.

How? Point out where our census is anything other than citizens.

Article I, Section 2, as amended by amendment XIV
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.


Nothing in there about citizens.

There is nothing in half of our guiding documents about "citizens" ya tard.

And what’s your point? Most rights are not reserved for citizens but everyone in the U.S.

And the 14th amendment specifically does mention citizens, including the section on representation, but not for enumeration or representation.

 

[Wyatt earp]

So you think the census should be what? Everyone on the planet?

Of course it should only be for citizens.

The Constitution disagrees with you.

How? Point out where our census is anything other than citizens.

Article I, Section 2, as amended by amendment XIV
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.


Nothing in there about citizens.

There is nothing in half of our guiding documents about "citizens" ya tard.

And what’s your point? Most rights are not reserved for citizens but everyone in the U.S.

And the 14th amendment specifically does mention citizens, including the section on representation, but not for enumeration or representation.

So are Illegals who don't pay taxes not considered for enumeration or representation like the Indians were when the 14th was ratified?


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[SandSquid]

The ACLU has found new evidence that the addition of if a person is a citizen on the 2020 census was nothing but a republican ploy to disenfranchise everyone who isn't republican or white. That the government lied in court about it too.

It's disgusting. The republicans can't win in an honest election so they cheat. They've been cheating for years by keeping people from voting and gerrymandering states.

This has added to the horrible divide in our nation and has to stop.

If you can't win on your platform, the answer isn't to cheat. The answer is to change your views so that people will vote for you or get more politicians in your party that have different views that will attract voters. As it is now, your platform and policies are nothing but a nightmare and sending people running from the republican party in horror.

For those too cheap to pay for a subscription to the Washington Post, I've copied and pasted the article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...501070ee669_story.html?utm_term=.5a46a9d27f09

By Tara Bahrampour and Robert Barnes
May 30 at 1:23 PM
Just weeks before the Supreme Court is expected to rule on whether the Trump administration can add a citizenship question to the 2020 Census, new evidence emerged Thursday suggesting the question was crafted specifically to give an electoral advantage to white Republicans.

The evidence was found in the files of the prominent Republican redistricting strategist Thomas Hofeller after his death in August. It reveals that Hofeller “played a significant role in orchestrating the addition of the citizenship question to the 2020 Decennial Census in order to create a structural electoral advantage for, in his own words, ‘Republicans and Non-Hispanic Whites,’ ” and that Trump administration officials purposely obscured Hofeller’s role in court proceedings, lawyers for plaintiffs challenging the question wrote in a letter to U.S. District Judge Jesse M. Furman. Furman was one of three federal judges who ruled against the question this year.

The letter drew on new information discovered on hard drives belonging to Hofeller, which were found accidentally by Hofeller’s estranged daughter. Stephanie Hofeller Lizon then shared them with the organization Common Cause for a gerrymandering lawsuit it is pursuing in North Carolina.

The files show that Hofeller concluded in a 2015 study that adding a citizenship question to the 2020 Census “would clearly be a disadvantage to the Democrats” and “advantageous to Republicans and Non-Hispanic Whites” in redistricting, and then pushed the idea with the Trump administration in 2017, according to the letter to Furman.

The evidence, which was first reported by The New York Times, contradicts sworn testimony by Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross’s expert adviser A. Mark Neuman and senior Justice Department official John Gore, as well as other testimony by defendants, the letter said.

The Commerce and Justice departments did not respond to questions about the new information.

The American Civil Liberties Union filed a motion in district court Thursday morning for “sanctions and any other relief the court deems appropriate, because of apparently untruthful testimony” by Trump administration officials in the earlier trials, said Dale Ho, who argued the case at the Supreme Court on behalf of the ACLU.

It is unclear how the information might affect deliberations at the Supreme Court. The ACLU Thursday afternoon filed a letter with the court to “respectfully inform” it of the motion filed in the New York district court and that a hearing was scheduled for next week.

The letter repeated the charge contained in the earlier letter to Furman that Hofeller played a significant role in adding the citizenship question to the 2020 Census “to create an electoral advantage for, in his own words, ‘Republicans and Non-Hispanic Whites,’ and that Petitioners (the government) obscured his role through affirmative misrepresentations.”

The lette from Ho did not ask the court to take action, but drew its attention to the new motion and that the hearing would be Wednesday.

“Witnesses misrepresented the origin and purpose of their effort to add a citizenship question to the census,” Ho said in a statement accompanying release of the letter. “Their goal was not to protect voting rights, but to dilute the voting power of minority communities. We look forward to Wednesday’s hearing and will keep the Supreme Court aware of any further developments.”

The Supreme Court heard the case on April 23. Evidence in the case concluded with oral arguments that day, and it appeared the conservative majority seemed inclined to agree with the government that the decision to add the question was within the authority of the commerce secretary.

If the court followed normal procedure, it voted that week on the outcome of the case, and the justices are now writing the opinion.

The ACLU also asked the district court to allow previously redacted testimony from Neuman to be made public. On Thursday, Furman ordered that the government must provide a response by 10 a.m. Friday and called a hearing on the matter for Wednesday.

The new information indicates that blueprints for adding a citizenship question to the 2020 Census predated the Trump administration, but Donald Trump’s election allowed them to become a reality, Ho said.

“It just shows that there was a long-standing plan to weaponize the census to dilute minority voting power to try to forestall the electoral effects of the demographic changes that this country is undergoing,” he said.

Ho said sanctions could include fines imposed on witnesses or the government, a reopening of the case or an amendment of the final judgment to account for new evidence.

The population count from the decennial census is used to allocate $800 billion a year in federal funding and determine congressional representation and redistricting. Opponents of the citizenship question have argued that it will suppress response to the survey among immigrant communities, resulting in an undercount in the areas where they live.

Hofeller’s files also reveal that in August 2017, he helped ghostwrite a draft Department of Justice letter to the Commerce Department requesting a citizenship question and coming up with a rationale — to help enforce the Voting Rights Act, the plaintiffs’ lawyers said. He then gave this letter to Gore, the principal deputy assistant attorney general, in October 2017, they said.

The genesis of that request and the rationale behind it were key questions in trials challenging the question. Ross initially had told Congress that the request was initiated by the Justice Department in a December 2017 letter, but administration documents released in the case later indicated that it came at Ross’s urging, starting months earlier. Census and voting rights experts have said the question is not needed to enforce the Voting Rights Act.

The Justice Department letter “bears striking similarities to Dr. Hofeller’s 2015 study, stating that a citizenship question on the Census was essential to advantaging Republicans and white voters,” the letter to Furman said. It added: “Based on this new evidence, it appears that both Neuman and Gore falsely testified about the genesis of DOJ’s request to Commerce in ways that obscured the pretextual character of the request.”

Critics of the question blasted the administration after the news broke.

“Republican political operatives plainly want to deny communities of color the health care, education and other services they need in order to consolidate GOP power and a whiter electorate,” said Vanita Gupta, president and CEO of the Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights. “We call on Congress to hold Trump administration officials — including Secretary Ross — accountable now and not to wait until after the Supreme Court ruling to do so.”

Terri Ann Lowenthal, a former staff director of the House census oversight subcommittee, said the new information undercut bureau’s years of work to plan a nonpartisan count.

“Revelations that this administration threw a grenade into that process in order to achieve partisan goals must be a gut-punch to every career Census employee whose goal is to earn the public’s trust and confidence in the 2020 Census,” she said.

In April the high court’s five conservatives seemed to lean toward allowing the question, citing the Voting Rights Act rationale and focusing not on Ross’s motivations, but rather on whether he was simply using the power he was authorized to exercise.

The court’s liberal justices were skeptical. Justice Elana Kagan said Ross seemed to be “shopping for a need,” trying unsuccessfully to get Justice and Homeland Security officials to request the question before finally getting the Justice Department to agree.

“You can’t read this record without sensing that this — this need is a contrived one,” she said. “There have been lots of assistant attorneys general in the [Justice Department’s] Civil Rights Division that have never made a plea for this kind of data.”

Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh wondered if courts should be making the decision. “The statute that Congress has passed gives huge discretion to the secretary how to fill out the form, what to put on the form,” he said.

If Congress is unhappy with the secretary’s decision, “why doesn’t Congress prohibit the asking of a citizenship question in the same way that Congress has explicitly provided that no one can be compelled to provide religious information?” Kavanaugh asked.

Since taking the majority in January, some House Democrats have sought to do exactly that, but they have accused the administration of stymying their efforts.

I hope you don't trust the ACLU?

Could care less about them. But we are talking about a chief republican strategists hard drive which has data that word for word match administration official documents, except that while his information clearly shows it would depress voting and favor Republicans, under oath those admin officials said he believed the opposite would be true if they asked that question. Interesting bit of info there that allegedly shows quite a bit of lying under oath going on at the current administrations census Dept.

 

[pinqy]

The Constitution disagrees with you.

How? Point out where our census is anything other than citizens.

Article I, Section 2, as amended by amendment XIV
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.


Nothing in there about citizens.

There is nothing in half of our guiding documents about "citizens" ya tard.

And what’s your point? Most rights are not reserved for citizens but everyone in the U.S.

And the 14th amendment specifically does mention citizens, including the section on representation, but not for enumeration or representation.

So are Illegals who don't pay taxes not considered for enumeration or representation like the Indians were when the 14th was ratified?


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Of course not: the Indians weren’t taxed and weren’t enumerated because they did not technically live in the U.S and were not subject to U.S. law, but tribal law. How on earth could you think that would be the case for illegals?
And there were zero illegal immigrants at the time of the 14th amendment.

So either you didn’t know why some Indians weren’t taxed and that there were no illegals, or you were being deliberately disingenuous.

You won’t admit to either, of course, so you’ll just insult me or make a general remark about “liberals” or “the left” without knowing or caring that characterization actually applied to me.

 

[SandSquid]

The ACLU has found new evidence that the addition of if a person is a citizen on the 2020 census was nothing but a republican ploy to disenfranchise everyone who isn't republican or white. That the government lied in court about it too.

It's disgusting. The republicans can't win in an honest election so they cheat. They've been cheating for years by keeping people from voting and gerrymandering states.

This has added to the horrible divide in our nation and has to stop.

If you can't win on your platform, the answer isn't to cheat. The answer is to change your views so that people will vote for you or get more politicians in your party that have different views that will attract voters. As it is now, your platform and policies are nothing but a nightmare and sending people running from the republican party in horror.

For those too cheap to pay for a subscription to the Washington Post, I've copied and pasted the article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...501070ee669_story.html?utm_term=.5a46a9d27f09

By Tara Bahrampour and Robert Barnes
May 30 at 1:23 PM
Just weeks before the Supreme Court is expected to rule on whether the Trump administration can add a citizenship question to the 2020 Census, new evidence emerged Thursday suggesting the question was crafted specifically to give an electoral advantage to white Republicans.

The evidence was found in the files of the prominent Republican redistricting strategist Thomas Hofeller after his death in August. It reveals that Hofeller “played a significant role in orchestrating the addition of the citizenship question to the 2020 Decennial Census in order to create a structural electoral advantage for, in his own words, ‘Republicans and Non-Hispanic Whites,’ ” and that Trump administration officials purposely obscured Hofeller’s role in court proceedings, lawyers for plaintiffs challenging the question wrote in a letter to U.S. District Judge Jesse M. Furman. Furman was one of three federal judges who ruled against the question this year.


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Dana7360

So you think the census should be what? Everyone on the planet?

Of course it should only be for citizens.

Of course not everyone on the planet. But then if you want to add a question not in the census for over 200 years because your advisor studying it shows proof it will reduce the accurate count of people in an area and increase your power by diluting the power of Hispanics Americans and their children , don't lie under oath and say the opposite is true and perjure yourself.

 

[Wyatt earp]

How? Point out where our census is anything other than citizens.

Article I, Section 2, as amended by amendment XIV
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.


Nothing in there about citizens.

There is nothing in half of our guiding documents about "citizens" ya tard.

And what’s your point? Most rights are not reserved for citizens but everyone in the U.S.

And the 14th amendment specifically does mention citizens, including the section on representation, but not for enumeration or representation.

So are Illegals who don't pay taxes not considered for enumeration or representation like the Indians were when the 14th was ratified?


.

Of course not: the Indians weren’t taxed and weren’t enumerated because they did not technically live in the U.S and were not subject to U.S. law, but tribal law. How on earth could you think that would be the case for illegals?
And there were zero illegal immigrants at the time of the 14th amendment.

So either you didn’t know why some Indians weren’t taxed and that there were no illegals, or you were being deliberately disingenuous.

You won’t admit to either, of course, so you’ll just insult me or make a general remark about “liberals” or “the left” without knowing or caring that characterization actually applied to me.

Lol more spin? You forgot all about the Indians were not included in the 14th, admit it

 

[SandSquid]

The ACLU has found new evidence that the addition of if a person is a citizen on the 2020 census was nothing but a republican ploy to disenfranchise everyone who isn't republican or white. That the government lied in court about it too.

It's disgusting. The republicans can't win in an honest election so they cheat. They've been cheating for years by keeping people from voting and gerrymandering states.

This has added to the horrible divide in our nation and has to stop.

If you can't win on your platform, the answer isn't to cheat. The answer is to change your views so that people will vote for you or get more politicians in your party that have different views that will attract voters. As it is now, your platform and policies are nothing but a nightmare and sending people running from the republican party in horror.

For those too cheap to pay for a subscription to the Washington Post, I've copied and pasted the article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...501070ee669_story.html?utm_term=.5a46a9d27f09

By Tara Bahrampour and Robert Barnes
May 30 at 1:23 PM
Just weeks before the Supreme Court is expected to rule on whether the Trump administration can add a citizenship question to the 2020 Census, new evidence emerged Thursday suggesting the question was crafted specifically to give an electoral advantage to white Republicans.

The evidence was found in the files of the prominent Republican redistricting strategist Thomas Hofeller after his death in August. It reveals that Hofeller “played a significant role in orchestrating the addition of the citizenship question to the 2020 Decennial Census in order to create a structural electoral advantage for, in his own words, ‘Republicans and Non-Hispanic Whites,’ ” and that Trump administration officials purposely obscured Hofeller’s role in court proceedings, lawyers for plaintiffs challenging the question wrote in a letter to U.S. District Judge Jesse M. Furman. Furman was one of three federal judges who ruled against the question this year.


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Dana7360

I would never pay a dime to the Washington Post. Funny how all these anti-capitalist lefty news outlets always want money to read their shit.

In any case, larger populations gets more congressional representation, and it's more than likely that illegals live in Democrat areas; particularly sanctuary cities. So it's really Democrats that want to cheat the system by hiding non-citizens identity so they will be counted for representation.

While you may believe that, the republican advisor here with his work and information gathered believed it would cause US citizens in Democratic leaning areas to be underrepresented and provide an inauthentic extra representation for Republicans. Which of course the commerce secretary and his advisor under oath said his beliefs were the opposite of his actual results.

So it's information that apparently the census was known to suppress non white votes and "dilute the power of Hispanics" and help Republicans by Hofeller, but the leaders of the commerce Dept under oath said Hofeller said exactly the opposite of that, which looks like he lied. Under oath. To suppress voters of color.

I guess To some people, government leaders committing felonies to try and disenfranchise people of color because of how they may vote is a bad thing.