When republicans Can't Win Honestly, Just Change The Census

[miketx]

The ACLU has found new evidence that the addition of if a person is a citizen on the 2020 census was nothing but a republican ploy to disenfranchise everyone who isn't republican or white. That the government lied in court about it too.

It's disgusting. The republicans can't win in an honest election so they cheat. They've been cheating for years by keeping people from voting and gerrymandering states.

This has added to the horrible divide in our nation and has to stop.

If you can't win on your platform, the answer isn't to cheat. The answer is to change your views so that people will vote for you or get more politicians in your party that have different views that will attract voters. As it is now, your platform and policies are nothing but a nightmare and sending people running from the republican party in horror.

For those too cheap to pay for a subscription to the Washington Post, I've copied and pasted the article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...501070ee669_story.html?utm_term=.5a46a9d27f09

By Tara Bahrampour and Robert Barnes
May 30 at 1:23 PM
Just weeks before the Supreme Court is expected to rule on whether the Trump administration can add a citizenship question to the 2020 Census, new evidence emerged Thursday suggesting the question was crafted specifically to give an electoral advantage to white Republicans.

The evidence was found in the files of the prominent Republican redistricting strategist Thomas Hofeller after his death in August. It reveals that Hofeller “played a significant role in orchestrating the addition of the citizenship question to the 2020 Decennial Census in order to create a structural electoral advantage for, in his own words, ‘Republicans and Non-Hispanic Whites,’ ” and that Trump administration officials purposely obscured Hofeller’s role in court proceedings, lawyers for plaintiffs challenging the question wrote in a letter to U.S. District Judge Jesse M. Furman. Furman was one of three federal judges who ruled against the question this year.


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Dana7360

It's always the same with you liars isn't it?

 

[Lesh]

And here you did just that.

In fact Trump does it constantly

 

[Dana7360]

When republicans Can't Win Honestly, Just Change The Census

When Democrats can't win honestly, just change the Electoral College

You mean like Nebraska did when Obama won one district in 2008? Nebraska used to allocate their electoral votes by district. Not the state. In 2008 one electoral vote went to Obama. So the republicans in that state changed the way their votes are allocated so that the next election Obama didn't get that one electoral vote from Nebraska

The difference between what is happening now and what states have done with their electoral votes, is that the republicans are lying about what they're doing and they 're doing it to give more power to the republicans. Which will make the divide even worse in our nation.

I don't think it's the same thing.

However if it was, how does two wrongs make a right?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

When republicans Can't Win Honestly, Just Change The Census

When Democrats can't win honestly, just change the Electoral College

You mean like Nebraska did when Obama won one district in 2008? Nebraska used to allocate their electoral votes by district. Not the state. In 2008 on electoral vote went to Obama. So the republicans in that state changed the way their votes are allocated so that the next election Obama didn't get that one electoral vote from Nebraska

The difference between what is happening now and what states have done with their electoral votes, is that the republicans are lying about what they're doing and they 're doing it to give more power to the republicans. Which will make the divide even worse in our nation.

I don't think it's the same thing.

However if it was, how does two wrongs make a right?

So the republicans in that state changed the way their votes are allocated so that the next election Obama didn't get that one electoral vote from Nebraska

Liar.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Deceased G.O.P. Strategist’s Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question

By Michael Wines - May 30, 2019

WASHINGTON — Thomas B. Hofeller achieved near-mythic status in the Republican Party as the Michelangelo of gerrymandering, the architect of partisan political maps that cemented the party’s dominance across the country.

But after he died last summer, his estranged daughter discovered hard drives in her father’s home that revealed something else: Mr. Hofeller had played a crucial role in the Trump administration’s decision to add a citizenship question to the 2020 census.

Files on those drives showed that he wrote a study in 2015 concluding that adding a citizenship question to the census would allow Republicans to draft even more extreme gerrymandered maps to stymie Democrats. And months after urging President Trump’s transition team to tack the question onto the census, he wrote the key portion of a draft Justice Department letter claiming the question was needed to enforce the 1965 Voting Rights Act — the rationale the administration later used to justify its decision. [...]

In a statement issued on Thursday evening, the Justice Department said the accusations in the filing were baseless and amounted to “a last-ditch effort to derail the Supreme Court’s consideration of this case.” It said Mr. Hofeller’s 2015 study had “played no role in the department’s December 2017 request to reinstate a citizenship question to the 2020 decennial census.”

In Supreme Court arguments in April over the legality of the decision, the Trump administration argued that the benefits of obtaining more accurate citizenship data offset any damage stemming from the likely depressed response to the census by minority groups and noncitizens. And it dismissed charges that the Commerce Department had simply invented a justification for adding the question to the census as unsupported by the evidence.

Opponents said that the Justice Department’s rationale for seeking to add a citizenship question to the census was baldly contrived, a conclusion shared by federal judges in all three lawsuits opposing the administration’s action.​

Busted. It's way, way past time these mendacious shits get their day in court for perjuring themselves.

Maybe, just maybe, this will be the final drop in the bucket that convinces Roberts it's time to put a stop to the subversion of democracy, and recognize his horrendous error in defiling the Voting Rights Act. Though, admittedly, that hope is slim indeed.

As far as I have seen, the Trumpletons on here came out unanimously in favor of lying to the courts in furtherance of partisan gains, and racist gerrymandering. Which, of course, surprised exactly no one.

Citizenship has nothing to do with gerrymandering, which is done by state legislatures. You have no clue as to what you are talking about because your source is a piece of shit!

So how are you going to try someone who is dead for something that is not a crime? That is what Democrats are trying to do to impeach Trump. They want to try him for winning an election , which is not a crime.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

When republicans Can't Win Honestly, Just Change The Census

When Democrats can't win honestly, just change the Electoral College

You mean like Nebraska did when Obama won one district in 2008? Nebraska used to allocate their electoral votes by district. Not the state. In 2008 one electoral vote went to Obama. So the republicans in that state changed the way their votes are allocated so that the next election Obama didn't get that one electoral vote from Nebraska

The difference between what is happening now and what states have done with their electoral votes, is that the republicans are lying about what they're doing and they 're doing it to give more power to the republicans. Which will make the divide even worse in our nation.

I don't think it's the same thing.



However if it was, how does two wrongs make a right?

You lying POS! There was no change in the way Nebraska calculates their electoral votes.

I hope everyone reads this response to your lies and know that you should be ignored.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

When republicans Can't Win Honestly, Just Change The Census

When Democrats can't win honestly, just change the Electoral College

You mean like Nebraska did when Obama won one district in 2008? Nebraska used to allocate their electoral votes by district. Not the state. In 2008 on electoral vote went to Obama. So the republicans in that state changed the way their votes are allocated so that the next election Obama didn't get that one electoral vote from Nebraska

The difference between what is happening now and what states have done with their electoral votes, is that the republicans are lying about what they're doing and they 're doing it to give more power to the republicans. Which will make the divide even worse in our nation.

I don't think it's the same thing.

However if it was, how does two wrongs make a right?

So the republicans in that state changed the way their votes are allocated so that the next election Obama didn't get that one electoral vote from Nebraska

Liar.

This stupid POS doesn't realize how easily it is to prove their lies to be just that!

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

You mean like Nebraska did when Obama won one district in 2008? Nebraska used to allocate their electoral votes by district. Not the state. In 2008 one electoral vote went to Obama. So the republicans in that state changed the way their votes are allocated so that the next election Obama didn't get that one electoral vote from Nebraska

That is false. They did no such thing whatsoever. Their votes are still allocated by district as they have been since 1992

 

[bripat9643]

Deceased G.O.P. Strategist’s Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question

By Michael Wines - May 30, 2019

WASHINGTON — Thomas B. Hofeller achieved near-mythic status in the Republican Party as the Michelangelo of gerrymandering, the architect of partisan political maps that cemented the party’s dominance across the country.

But after he died last summer, his estranged daughter discovered hard drives in her father’s home that revealed something else: Mr. Hofeller had played a crucial role in the Trump administration’s decision to add a citizenship question to the 2020 census.

Files on those drives showed that he wrote a study in 2015 concluding that adding a citizenship question to the census would allow Republicans to draft even more extreme gerrymandered maps to stymie Democrats. And months after urging President Trump’s transition team to tack the question onto the census, he wrote the key portion of a draft Justice Department letter claiming the question was needed to enforce the 1965 Voting Rights Act — the rationale the administration later used to justify its decision. [...]

In a statement issued on Thursday evening, the Justice Department said the accusations in the filing were baseless and amounted to “a last-ditch effort to derail the Supreme Court’s consideration of this case.” It said Mr. Hofeller’s 2015 study had “played no role in the department’s December 2017 request to reinstate a citizenship question to the 2020 decennial census.”

In Supreme Court arguments in April over the legality of the decision, the Trump administration argued that the benefits of obtaining more accurate citizenship data offset any damage stemming from the likely depressed response to the census by minority groups and noncitizens. And it dismissed charges that the Commerce Department had simply invented a justification for adding the question to the census as unsupported by the evidence.

Opponents said that the Justice Department’s rationale for seeking to add a citizenship question to the census was baldly contrived, a conclusion shared by federal judges in all three lawsuits opposing the administration’s action.​

Busted. It's way, way past time these mendacious shits get their day in court for perjuring themselves.

Maybe, just maybe, this will be the final drop in the bucket that convinces Roberts it's time to put a stop to the subversion of democracy, and recognize his horrendous error in defiling the Voting Rights Act. Though, admittedly, that hope is slim indeed.

As far as I have seen, the Trumpletons on here came out unanimously in favor of lying to the courts in furtherance of partisan gains, and racist gerrymandering. Which, of course, surprised exactly no one.

Ignoring illegal aliens in the census is gerrymandering?

You serious?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I would never pay a dime to the Washington Post. Funny how all these anti-capitalist lefty news outlets always want money to read their shit.

In any case, larger populations gets more congressional representation, and it's more than likely that illegals live in Democrat areas; particularly sanctuary cities. So it's really Democrats that want to cheat the system by hiding non-citizens identity so they will be counted for representation.

While you may believe that, the republican advisor here with his work and information gathered believed it would cause US citizens in Democratic leaning areas to be underrepresented and provide an inauthentic extra representation for Republicans. Which of course the commerce secretary and his advisor under oath said his beliefs were the opposite of his actual results.

So it's information that apparently the census was known to suppress non white votes and "dilute the power of Hispanics" and help Republicans by Hofeller, but the leaders of the commerce Dept under oath said Hofeller said exactly the opposite of that, which looks like he lied. Under oath. To suppress voters of color.

I guess To some people, government leaders committing felonies to try and disenfranchise people of color because of how they may vote is a bad thing.

Can you explain to me how it's suppressing minority voters if we know how many Americans (regardless what race or party) are actual citizens that deserve representation?

Illegals don't deserve representation no matter what race or color they are. They are not citizens. Of course just counting citizens would hurt the Democrat party. That's why they're fighting against it.

I agree that illegal aliens don't deserve representation.

unfortunately what you're saying there is the opposite of the effect that Republican administration officials said under oath.

It's obvious they were lying like you say and now we have proof that they were committing perjury.

We don't know what the actual results would be. I'm just going by what I'm sure would happen. However it really doesn't matter. Illegals should be counted as illegals. I mean, isn't it bad enough they invade our country, take our jobs, change our language, lower pay for Americans, and now we should continue to count them as Americans as well?

In most cases, these people do nothing for this country but bring problems with them that we end up having to deal with to the tune of over 100 billion dollars. I'm sick of it. Build the wall, and solve the dozens of problems they bring here.

I agree I don't know what the results would be. I'm not a strategist who's job is to attempt to discern from existing laws and situations what the effects of that new addition to the census would be. But those guys do exist. The one heavily utilized in this case was Thomas B. Hofeller. And when he said that this new question would take away the power of hispanics, Administration officials under oath when talking about his study, said the exact opposite, a felony.

As for the problem with illegal immigrants, I agree. Like the border patrol union has said for years, a wall doesn't solve the issue, and they will go over/under etc and get in. To solve the issue we need to go after those who reward illegal immigrants with jobs in the US. It may cost the farmer vote. It may cost the vote of those wealthy hotel and golf course owners.

But when you see that a massive company like Trump properties STILL has dozens of properties NOT on the E-verify list, despite having been found to have a practice of hiring illegal immigrants recently and even having been sued by labor unions for hiring illegals in the past to get cheap labor, what do you think should be done about them causing this national emergency?

I swear, people go full idiot when it comes to this. It's like saying we have a drug problem, but leave the drug dealers alone.

Border Control labor union says we need to stop the problem (people breaking law hiring illegals). Data says most of them don't come across open area's of the border where walls would be, but rather through overstaying Visa's and through ports of entry. President comes in who has more illegals working for him and more suits over hiring illegals over American citizens than any other President in history and says not to worry about the facts and data, but instead look at the spot the data says is least likely to help. While continuing to employ illegals himself.

First off, I suggest you find some new data on Visa overstays. Yes, a good percentage of illegals are overstays, however they are not the majority of illegals in this country. Two, the Visa people were checked out by the government--something that's not done with people sneaking in with diseases we defeated decades ago. They may be wanted criminals, people who were convicted or deported for crimes in the US, who knows?

Now what rumor are you referring to about Trump hiring illegals?

It's very hard to place the onus on our employers when it's very difficult for a standard employer to determine positive citizenship or legality. Especially when you have dozens of sanctuary cities who welcome these people here at the same time. So before we go locking up American businessmen instead of the illegals, perhaps the very first thing we should do is get rid of sanctuary cities and make it illegal for an illegal alien to drive a car in this country.

 

[Ambivalent1]

The ACLU has found new evidence that the addition of if a person is a citizen on the 2020 census was nothing but a republican ploy to disenfranchise everyone who isn't republican or white. That the government lied in court about it too.

It's disgusting. The republicans can't win in an honest election so they cheat. They've been cheating for years by keeping people from voting and gerrymandering states.

This has added to the horrible divide in our nation and has to stop.

If you can't win on your platform, the answer isn't to cheat. The answer is to change your views so that people will vote for you or get more politicians in your party that have different views that will attract voters. As it is now, your platform and policies are nothing but a nightmare and sending people running from the republican party in horror.

For those too cheap to pay for a subscription to the Washington Post, I've copied and pasted the article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...501070ee669_story.html?utm_term=.5a46a9d27f09

By Tara Bahrampour and Robert Barnes
May 30 at 1:23 PM
Just weeks before the Supreme Court is expected to rule on whether the Trump administration can add a citizenship question to the 2020 Census, new evidence emerged Thursday suggesting the question was crafted specifically to give an electoral advantage to white Republicans.

The evidence was found in the files of the prominent Republican redistricting strategist Thomas Hofeller after his death in August. It reveals that Hofeller “played a significant role in orchestrating the addition of the citizenship question to the 2020 Decennial Census in order to create a structural electoral advantage for, in his own words, ‘Republicans and Non-Hispanic Whites,’ ” and that Trump administration officials purposely obscured Hofeller’s role in court proceedings, lawyers for plaintiffs challenging the question wrote in a letter to U.S. District Judge Jesse M. Furman. Furman was one of three federal judges who ruled against the question this year.


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Dana7360

LOL, the stupid is strong in this one. That's why you kids want to do away with the Electoral College.