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The fact that people supporting voter ID's admit here that there are new hoops to jump throught is a problem in itself! You're asking homeless and poor people to jump through hoops. And RIGHT before the biggest election we've seen in a long time!
How is that not a voter purge?
The fact that people supporting voter ID's admit here that there are new hoops to jump throught is a problem in itself! You're asking homeless and poor people to jump through hoops. And RIGHT before the biggest election we've seen in a long time!
How is that not a voter purge?
Sadly, the truth is that our Constitution requires intelligent voters in order that our democracy have a chance to work. Therefore, there should be a huge purge of the unintelligent; that would include all those who cant figure out how to get ID's and those who can't pass a political IQ test.
I think the problem is not enough people vote.
I also think our system is so messed up that you're right in a sense about the Political IQ test. People don't know how to vote because there's too much BS to sort out the truth and how voting in one way truly affects them.
I'm sure it's true in most places but the voting precinct people have your information and signature and often even know you. Personally it is not the person I would be concerned with, but the method and counting process as Florida demonstrated in 2000. Not once in all this presumed republican concern with voting have I heard a concern over machinery and other factors. That must tell you something.
I think the problem is not enough people vote.
millions voted for Hitler. Democracy only works if the people who vote are intelligent. Would you everyone to do brain surgery? Would you want kids to vote too?
I also think our system is so messed up that you're right in a sense about the Political IQ test. People don't know how to vote because there's too much BS to sort out the truth and how voting in one way truly affects them.
if you had voter IQ tests it might spur political education to an unbelievable degree and make 30 second TV ads seems worthless, but liberals oppose so it won't happen no matter what the Constutition says
The fact that people supporting voter ID's admit here that there are new hoops to jump throught is a problem in itself! You're asking homeless and poor people to jump through hoops. And RIGHT before the biggest election we've seen in a long time!
How is that not a voter purge?
Ignoring my suggestion of making it for the NEXT election I see. Gives them plenty of time, doesn't it?
Granted, there are special considerations, especially when dealing with the Elderly, still, that is a matter of logistics, something that should be worked out, with the State Government Agencies, along with the Fed's. Should even be able to do it in home.
The logistics don't matter. The whole goal is to remove enough poor people from the rolls to enable a Romney victory.
Not from where I sit. Further, I think the bigger problem, more on your side, is people so fed up with the bullshit and lies, that they just say fuck it, and stay home. I personally came very close to that, last round, with McCain.
The fact that no one can find illegals voting just proves that the illegals are extra sneaky when they vote! The lack of any evidence proves the conspiracy has to be correct!
Common sense, people. Why would an illegal willingly risk deportation just to cast 1 vote? Why would a felon willingly risk jail time to cast 1 vote? The payoff-to-risk ratio is so small, no one would take the gamble. The few cases that pop up tend to be honest mistakes.
- Chicago Sun-TimesMaria Azada, 53, of Grayslake, faces 17 felony counts of perjury, mutilation of election materials and tampering with voting machines in connection with illegal voting by a non-U.S. citizen, according to the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
Azada is accused of voting nine times in primary, general and consolidated elections between 2003 and 2009, officials said.
ESCONDIDO: Mexican man admits to voter fraud : EscondidoA Mexican who was deported decades ago for drug trafficking pleaded guilty this week to living illegally in Escondido under a false identity and fraudulently voting in the 2008 U.S. presidential election, federal authorities said Friday.
NBC2 Investigates: Voter fraud - NBC-2.com WBBH News for Fort Myers, Cape Coral & Naples, FloridaTwo elections supervisors are taking action after an NBC2 investigation uncovers flawed record keeping and human error allowing people who are not citizens of the United States to vote.
No one knows how widespread this problem is, because county election supervisors have no way to track non-citizens who live here.
Its especially harder if you live in one state but were born in another.
Not to mention even if you applied for a copy of your birth certificate right now there's a good chance it won't come in on time.
Granted, there are special considerations, especially when dealing with the Elderly, still, that is a matter of logistics, something that should be worked out, with the State Government Agencies, along with the Fed's. Should even be able to do it in home.
The logistics don't matter. The whole goal is to remove enough poor people from the rolls to enable a Romney victory.
Granted, there are special considerations, especially when dealing with the Elderly, still, that is a matter of logistics, something that should be worked out, with the State Government Agencies, along with the Fed's. Should even be able to do it in home.
The logistics don't matter. The whole goal is to remove enough poor people from the rolls to enable a Romney victory.
And can you back up this inflammatory and accusatory post with any actual facts or data? I highly doubt it.
This is just another one of the random disparaging remarks that leads to nothing. There is no grand conspiracy to block legal voters from voting so that the right can steal the election. There is a group of people that believe the right to vote should be protected by showing an ID and verifying who you are before casting their vote. There is another group that thinks ID is a hurtle that is too high for the act of voting. We can discuss the merits of either side but no so long as you are hurling accusations that this is all some conspiracy to steal an election.
The logistics don't matter. The whole goal is to remove enough poor people from the rolls to enable a Romney victory.
And can you back up this inflammatory and accusatory post with any actual facts or data? I highly doubt it.
This is just another one of the random disparaging remarks that leads to nothing. There is no grand conspiracy to block legal voters from voting so that the right can steal the election. There is a group of people that believe the right to vote should be protected by showing an ID and verifying who you are before casting their vote. There is another group that thinks ID is a hurtle that is too high for the act of voting. We can discuss the merits of either side but no so long as you are hurling accusations that this is all some conspiracy to steal an election.
If you can't see that this is an attempt to purge voters I feel sorry for you. It's clear as day.
Let me help....
New laws sponsored by repubs
Put into effect and made known only by main stream media shortly before the election.
Biggest election in a long time.
Clear data on how it disenfranchises millions, and hurts only one party
No significant data on voter fraud
It'd be one thing if they did this right after an election so the public had time to prepare.
Can you imagine 400000 extra Pennsylvania voters waiting at the dmv to get voter ids. It would take way too long!
But here I don't know if you heard about this a few months ago......
Fla. Republican: We wanted to suppress black votes - Salon.com
If you can't see that this is an attempt to purge voters I feel sorry for you. It's clear as day.
These mesures or changes to things have been going on since it was found that many frauds were being perpetrated in these elections recently (dead people voting and on and on it all goes), and then when someone finally tries to start dealing with it all, it is met with the immediate response of you are just trying to supress the vote is what is said, but what should be the flag for everyone imho, should be this, where as when their are those who jump because someone is trying to do something that makes our elections for Americans more fair and honest, then we should wonder what it is exactly that they who oppose this are trying to hide actually.The logistics don't matter. The whole goal is to remove enough poor people from the rolls to enable a Romney victory.
And can you back up this inflammatory and accusatory post with any actual facts or data? I highly doubt it.
This is just another one of the random disparaging remarks that leads to nothing. There is no grand conspiracy to block legal voters from voting so that the right can steal the election. There is a group of people that believe the right to vote should be protected by showing an ID and verifying who you are before casting their vote. There is another group that thinks ID is a hurtle that is too high for the act of voting. We can discuss the merits of either side but no so long as you are hurling accusations that this is all some conspiracy to steal an election.
If you can't see that this is an attempt to purge voters I feel sorry for you. It's clear as day.
Let me help....
New laws sponsored by repubs
Put into effect and made known only by main stream media shortly before the election.
Biggest election in a long time.
Clear data on how it disenfranchises millions, and hurts only one party
No significant data on voter fraud
It'd be one thing if they did this right after an election so the public had time to prepare.
Can you imagine 400000 extra Pennsylvania voters waiting at the dmv to get voter ids. It would take way too long!
But here I don't know if you heard about this a few months ago......
Fla. Republican: We wanted to suppress black votes - Salon.com
These mesures or changes to things have been going on since it was found that many frauds were being perpetrated in these elections recently (dead people voting and on and on it all goes), and then when someone finally tries to start dealing with it all, it is met with the immediate response of you are just trying to supress the vote is what is said, but what should be the flag for everyone imho, should be this, where as when their are those who jump because someone is trying to do something that makes our elections for Americans more fair and honest, then we should wonder what it is exactly that they who oppose this are trying to hide actually.And can you back up this inflammatory and accusatory post with any actual facts or data? I highly doubt it.
This is just another one of the random disparaging remarks that leads to nothing. There is no grand conspiracy to block legal voters from voting so that the right can steal the election. There is a group of people that believe the right to vote should be protected by showing an ID and verifying who you are before casting their vote. There is another group that thinks ID is a hurtle that is too high for the act of voting. We can discuss the merits of either side but no so long as you are hurling accusations that this is all some conspiracy to steal an election.
If you can't see that this is an attempt to purge voters I feel sorry for you. It's clear as day.
Let me help....
New laws sponsored by repubs
Put into effect and made known only by main stream media shortly before the election.
Biggest election in a long time.
Clear data on how it disenfranchises millions, and hurts only one party
No significant data on voter fraud
It'd be one thing if they did this right after an election so the public had time to prepare.
Can you imagine 400000 extra Pennsylvania voters waiting at the dmv to get voter ids. It would take way too long!
But here I don't know if you heard about this a few months ago......
Fla. Republican: We wanted to suppress black votes - Salon.com
then we should wonder what it is exactly that they who oppose this are trying to hide actually.
then we should wonder what it is exactly that they who oppose this are trying to hide actually.
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