Where The Money Scott Walker Is Cutting From Universities Is Going

[ABikerSailor]

The only reason for these stadiums is for the inflation of the egos of those who bring them forth.

Of course governors and corporations like to have stadiums named after them.

Especially if they are places where a lot of teams (and advertisers) like to play.

More money for them.

 

[S.J.]

Sounds like Walker is doing the right thing.

I'm not sure if you're trying to make a joke, or you're being serious. How the hell is cutting education for a new stadium the right thing to do?

Well, if you want to call being brainwashed by socialist "teachers" (who have no idea what it's like to live in the real world) education, then yes, it's the right thing to do. Makes me want to vote for him even more. Go Scott!

What the fuck are you talking about?

I don't expect you to understand. You think socialism is a viable system of economic governance.

 

[Borillar]

Sounds like Walker is doing the right thing.

yeah... buying a stadium for a billionaire sports team owner. The right thing to do.

No, cutting funding for brainwashing disguised as education is the right thing to do.

yeah, them Wisconsonians don't need none of that fancy edgemakashun. There's no need for scientists, engineers, architects, doctors and healthcare professionals, musicians, artists, writers, or any of the countless other things people go to college for. I suppose the students can always go to a blue state where education is valued.

Maybe if they could actually get an education in a cesspool of leftist indoctrination you would have a point.

Sounds like the person with the "indoctrination" problem is you. As Franco would say, change the channel pub dupe.

 

[S.J.]

Sounds like Walker is doing the right thing.

yeah... buying a stadium for a billionaire sports team owner. The right thing to do.

No, cutting funding for brainwashing disguised as education is the right thing to do.

yeah, them Wisconsonians don't need none of that fancy edgemakashun. There's no need for scientists, engineers, architects, doctors and healthcare professionals, musicians, artists, writers, or any of the countless other things people go to college for. I suppose the students can always go to a blue state where education is valued.

Maybe if they could actually get an education in a cesspool of leftist indoctrination you would have a point.

Sounds like the person with the "indoctrination" problem is you. As Franco would say, change the channel pub dupe.

You know I'm right.

 

[Claudette]

Milwaukee is an overwhelmingly Democratic party stronghold, OP why don't you let us know when they refuse the stadium project because until then this is just more liberal hypocrisy.

I'm not in support of democrats honey, but this is related to scott walker, if you actually had the capacity to read..

Ahahaha I guess its just not your day...

I think you forgot to mention that the $220 million in state bonding debt payments would be repaid from growth in the so-called jock tax, income tax revenue from Milwaukee Bucks players, employees and visiting teams.”

Meanwhile Milwaukee public schools broke ground on a new stadium (AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA) Milwaukee Public Schools student athletes joined MPS Superintendent Gregory Thornton, Common Council President Michael Murphy, School Board Director Tatiana Joseph, School Board Director Terrance Falk and Ald. Jose Perez on Thursday to celebrate a groundbreaking. The price tag...$9 million.

OH SNAP!!

They always say it will be regained, it's always the excuse when building new sports stadiums or the like. Also, he's cutting from universities, idiot.

And just to rub salt in your wounds...If they don't build this stadium then the NBA has the right to buy the team back for 1/3 of what its worth, move the team to Seattle and sell it to investors for $1.6 billion and that nearly $1 billion in profit would be divided up among the 29 NBA owners leaving Milwaukee and WI shit out of luck altogether. It seems like you really did a shit job of researching this before opening your big stupid flapping lips about it on the forum.

Yup and if people want a college education LET THEM PAY FOR IT. Let em get a job and pay their own way.

Oh wait. I forgot. The op's probably a Dem and thinks the taxpayers should be forced to provide a college education to everyone.

Op's a fucking idiot. An idiot who didn't research before posting.

 

[Seawytch]

Milwaukee is an overwhelmingly Democratic party stronghold, OP why don't you let us know when they refuse the stadium project because until then this is just more liberal hypocrisy.

I'm not in support of democrats honey, but this is related to scott walker, if you actually had the capacity to read..

Ahahaha I guess its just not your day...

I think you forgot to mention that the $220 million in state bonding debt payments would be repaid from growth in the so-called jock tax, income tax revenue from Milwaukee Bucks players, employees and visiting teams.”

Meanwhile Milwaukee public schools broke ground on a new stadium (AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA) Milwaukee Public Schools student athletes joined MPS Superintendent Gregory Thornton, Common Council President Michael Murphy, School Board Director Tatiana Joseph, School Board Director Terrance Falk and Ald. Jose Perez on Thursday to celebrate a groundbreaking. The price tag...$9 million.

OH SNAP!!

They always say it will be regained, it's always the excuse when building new sports stadiums or the like. Also, he's cutting from universities, idiot.

And just to rub salt in your wounds...If they don't build this stadium then the NBA has the right to buy the team back for 1/3 of what its worth, move the team to Seattle and sell it to investors for $1.6 billion and that nearly $1 billion in profit would be divided up among the 29 NBA owners leaving Milwaukee and WI shit out of luck altogether. It seems like you really did a shit job of researching this before opening your big stupid flapping lips about it on the forum.

Yup and if people want a college education LET THEM PAY FOR IT. Let em get a job and pay their own way.

Oh wait. I forgot. The op's probably a Dem and thinks the taxpayers should be forced to provide a college education to everyone.

Op's a fucking idiot. An idiot who didn't research before posting.

Taxpayers shouldn't be funding state colleges but should be funding private sports stadiums? Really?

If You Build It, They Might Not Come: The Risky Economics of Sports Stadiums

 

[Stephanie]

Freak out because a Responsible PERSON who has A BUDGET has to cut something out

OMG OMG OMG

unless you live there it's none of your business

Stinkprogress-too bad their budget doesn't run out

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The stadium will create jobs, the Universities graduate Liberal morons unable to think or read; about all they can do is fill out application for unemployment and food stamps, which are the two biggest drivers of the Democrat economy

 

[Stephanie]

The stadium will create jobs, the Universities graduate Liberal morons unable to think or read; about all they can do is fill out application for unemployment and food stamps, which are the two biggest drivers of the Democrat economy

all they are putting out anymore is a bunch of angry little Fascist so called: activist for Social justice. like I said, fascism

 

[Brain357]

Sounds like Walker is doing the right thing.

yeah... buying a stadium for a billionaire sports team owner. The right thing to do.

No, cutting funding for brainwashing disguised as education is the right thing to do.

yeah, them Wisconsonians don't need none of that fancy edgemakashun. There's no need for scientists, engineers, architects, doctors and healthcare professionals, musicians, artists, writers, or any of the countless other things people go to college for. I suppose the students can always go to a blue state where education is valued.

Maybe if they could actually get an education in a cesspool of leftist indoctrination you would have a point.

You can get a great educatuon in public schools. I did and am clearly smarter than you.

 

[Borillar]

Freak out because a Responsible PERSON who has A BUDGET has to cut something out

OMG OMG OMG

unless you live there it's none of your business

Stinkprogress-too bad their budget doesn't run out

OMG OMG OMG
It's the attack of the know-nothings! Run for your lives!

 

[Andylusion]

Stadium projects have never performed as an economic engine anywhere. Mayors and governors have sold this same line over-and-over again and people just buy it. On the other hand, a well funded education system is a sure bet, you just don't see immediate political donations from team owners, the construction industry and real estate speculators.

I agreed with you, until you hit the "education sure bet" crap. Absolute trash. We have the most well funded education system on the face of the planet.

The shear number of idiots, being issued degrees by universities, only to discover they don't qualify for a job the requires an education, is staggering.

You don't get a job, just because you have a degree. You get a job, because you are a good workers, and can do the job.

More than half the people who come out of college, end up working jobs that don't require a degree, because that's what they are able to do.

It's not a sure thing. Not by a long shot.

 

[Andylusion]

Freak out because a Responsible PERSON who has A BUDGET has to cut something out

OMG OMG OMG

unless you live there it's none of your business

Stinkprogress-too bad their budget doesn't run out

OMG OMG OMG
It's the attack of the know-nothings! Run for your lives!

Being fiscally responsible, means having to cut the budget, if you don't have enough money for everything you want.

The public wants a stadium. Therefore, they are getting a stadium. It's a bad move. But it's also what the public wants.

The left screams about how politicians should do what the public wants, and then when they do, they get screamed at for not doing what is best for the public.

Make up your mind lefties.

 

[Brain357]

Freak out because a Responsible PERSON who has A BUDGET has to cut something out

OMG OMG OMG

unless you live there it's none of your business

Stinkprogress-too bad their budget doesn't run out

OMG OMG OMG
It's the attack of the know-nothings! Run for your lives!

Being fiscally responsible, means having to cut the budget, if you don't have enough money for everything you want.

The public wants a stadium. Therefore, they are getting a stadium. It's a bad move. But it's also what the public wants.

The left screams about how politicians should do what the public wants, and then when they do, they get screamed at for not doing what is best for the public.

Make up your mind lefties.

I don't believe there was a vote on the subject. How do you know they want it?

 

[Andylusion]

Freak out because a Responsible PERSON who has A BUDGET has to cut something out

OMG OMG OMG

unless you live there it's none of your business

Stinkprogress-too bad their budget doesn't run out

OMG OMG OMG
It's the attack of the know-nothings! Run for your lives!

Being fiscally responsible, means having to cut the budget, if you don't have enough money for everything you want.

The public wants a stadium. Therefore, they are getting a stadium. It's a bad move. But it's also what the public wants.

The left screams about how politicians should do what the public wants, and then when they do, they get screamed at for not doing what is best for the public.

Make up your mind lefties.

I don't believe there was a vote on the subject. How do you know they want it?

There have been numerous polls in Wisconsin showing a large body of support. It varies from poll to poll, but they all show general support.

Therein lies the problem. If the polls showed mass dis-interest, we wouldn't be talking about this at all.

Walker is a politician. That's what he is. He wouldn't be doing this if he didn't believe there were political points to be scored.

All politicians do what is in the public best interest, when they can do while scoring political points. But if there are no political points to be scored, they do whatever the public wants, even if it's not in the publics best interest. This is a perfect example.

This is what happens in a democracy, and that's why we were never supposed to be a democracy.

Hope you like the outcome.

 

[Brain357]

Freak out because a Responsible PERSON who has A BUDGET has to cut something out

OMG OMG OMG

unless you live there it's none of your business

Stinkprogress-too bad their budget doesn't run out

OMG OMG OMG
It's the attack of the know-nothings! Run for your lives!

Being fiscally responsible, means having to cut the budget, if you don't have enough money for everything you want.

The public wants a stadium. Therefore, they are getting a stadium. It's a bad move. But it's also what the public wants.

The left screams about how politicians should do what the public wants, and then when they do, they get screamed at for not doing what is best for the public.

Make up your mind lefties.

I don't believe there was a vote on the subject. How do you know they want it?

There have been numerous polls in Wisconsin showing a large body of support. It varies from poll to poll, but they all show general support.

Therein lies the problem. If the polls showed mass dis-interest, we wouldn't be talking about this at all.

Walker is a politician. That's what he is. He wouldn't be doing this if he didn't believe there were political points to be scored.

All politicians do what is in the public best interest, when they can do while scoring political points. But if there are no political points to be scored, they do whatever the public wants, even if it's not in the publics best interest. This is a perfect example.

This is what happens in a democracy, and that's why we were never supposed to be a democracy.

Hope you like the outcome.

Link one of these polls they seem to be elusive. This should really be voted on.

 

[Anathema]

I have no issue with cutting g the education spending. My problem is that the savings should be returned to the taxpayers not given to a private business.

 

[OKTexas]

I don't see how anyone could defend nut jobs like Scott Walker..
Where The Money Scott Walker Is Cutting From Universities Is Going ThinkProgress

MILWAUKEE, WISCONSIN — On Thursday, Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker unveiled the latest plan for building a new $500 million basketball stadium for the Milwaukee Bucks, half of which would be paid for with taxpayer money, and half by the team’s current and former owners. Because stadium projects — including Milwaukee’s own Miller Park — have been known to run significantly over budget, the public contribution would be capped at $250 million.

This is exactly the amount that Governor Walker and his allies in the legislature plan to cut from the University of Wisconsin system.

Flanked by posters reading “Cheaper To Keep Them,” Governor Walker argued that building a new stadium is more responsible than repairing the old one, or potentially losing the NBA team to another city.

“The price of ‘no’ has a cost, and we believe it’s at least $419 million dollars over the next 20 years,” said Walker, as he explained that under his new plan, $80 million dollars in stadium funding would come from all Wisconsin taxpayers, and the remaining $170 million from “a variety of sources at the local level.”

“For every dollar the state invests, it’s three dollars in return,” claimed Walker. “By every measure, it truly protects the taxpayers. It’s not only important to Milwaukee, but it’s also something I can say is a good for lawmakers anywhere in the state.”

But many Wisconsinites, including economics professor Michael Rosen at Milwaukee Area Technical College, vehemently disagree.

“You could do more for the local economy by taking a plane over the city of Milwaukee and dropping $500 million dollars down. That would generate more economic activity than building a stadium,” he told ThinkProgress. “People have a fixed entertainment budget. So if they go see the Bucks and spend $60 or $80 on a ticket, that’s money they’re not using to go to the theater or movies or out to eat. It’s not new money, it’s just redistributed. That’s why stadiums have no positive impact on economic growth.” He also noted that most Bucks player don’t live year-round in Milwaukee, so “millions of dollars in their salaries will leak out of the community.”

Milwaukee workers say they’ll oppose any Bucks stadium deal that doesn’t guarantee good wages and local hiring.

CREDIT: ALICE OLLSTEIN

All week, as rumors of the plan negotiated behind closed doors leaked to the public, residents voiced their frustrations.

“It’s just wrong,” Denise Brown, who lives in Ozaukee County just outside Milwaukee, told ThinkProgress. “They could have taken that same money and left it in the University of Wisconsin, where my son got a good education. And if they wanted to help the neighborhood, it could have benefitted a lot more from a job-producing factory than this future piece of blight.”

Many Republicans oppose the plan as well, and have called for it to be stripped out of the state budget and receive a stand-alone vote. The Koch Brothers’ group Americans for Prosperity’s Wisconsin chapter called the proposal a “bad deal for Wisconsin taxpayers,” noting: “Government shouldn’t be in the business of financing private sports stadiums.”

Milwaukee’s arch-conservative sheriff David Clarke called the plan “snake oil” and “corporate welfare.”

Others are more conflicted, citing threats from the NBA to pack up and leave if they don’t get a new stadium by 2017.

“It’s controversial but it’s going to get done,” said Milwaukee native Keith Bailey, who organized faith outreach for President Obama’s 2008 campaign. “We can’t lose the Bucks. We love our Bucks.”

County Supervisor Supreme Moore Omokunde, who represents the Milwaukee neighborhood where the stadium will be located, told ThinkProgress he and his district have had no say in the deal. “I have not been involved in any of the negotiations. My voice has not been heard,” he said. “I’m a Bucks fan. As a son of Milwaukee, I would welcome a good deal. But the current deal we have is not a good deal. We cannot build a stadium on the backs of poor people and people of color.”

On Thursday, joined by dozens of local workers and activists, Omokunde announced a set of demands aimed at making sure that if the stadium deal does pass the legislature, his community would see a benefit both during the construction process and in the years to come.

Economics teacher and Milwaukee resident Luz Sosa laid out the coalition’s priorities. “We need a legal, binding document for the Bucks owners to pledge to hire local people from our communities and pay them a living wage — $15 dollars an hour minimum — and give them the right to unionize,” she said.

Many present at the event, including Rosen, argued that though an area deal may be inevitable, there are much better uses of public dollars.

“This deal was cut by people who were born with silver spoons in their mouths,” he said. “They don’t know what it means to live in inner city districts. They don’t have contact with people like the students I teach every day from Milwaukee’s poorest neighborhoods, who are working two jobs and can’t get their heads above water. Our elected officials need to better look out for the people of this community, who need parks, who need social services and health care. But all of those things have had no priority. The only priority seems to be making this deal.”

The state legislature has to pass a budget, with or without the stadium funding, by the end of June.

From your link:

“The price of ‘no’ has a cost, and we believe it’s at least $419 million dollars over the next 20 years,” said Walker, as he explained that under his new plan, $80 million dollars in stadium funding would come from all Wisconsin taxpayers, and the remaining $170 million from “a variety of sources at the local level.”

Leave it to you to post a link that contradicts itself, if you had bothered to actually read it, only about 80 million will come from the State, not 250 million.

 

[Andylusion]

Freak out because a Responsible PERSON who has A BUDGET has to cut something out

OMG OMG OMG

unless you live there it's none of your business

Stinkprogress-too bad their budget doesn't run out

OMG OMG OMG
It's the attack of the know-nothings! Run for your lives!

Being fiscally responsible, means having to cut the budget, if you don't have enough money for everything you want.

The public wants a stadium. Therefore, they are getting a stadium. It's a bad move. But it's also what the public wants.

The left screams about how politicians should do what the public wants, and then when they do, they get screamed at for not doing what is best for the public.

Make up your mind lefties.

I don't believe there was a vote on the subject. How do you know they want it?

There have been numerous polls in Wisconsin showing a large body of support. It varies from poll to poll, but they all show general support.

Therein lies the problem. If the polls showed mass dis-interest, we wouldn't be talking about this at all.

Walker is a politician. That's what he is. He wouldn't be doing this if he didn't believe there were political points to be scored.

All politicians do what is in the public best interest, when they can do while scoring political points. But if there are no political points to be scored, they do whatever the public wants, even if it's not in the publics best interest. This is a perfect example.

This is what happens in a democracy, and that's why we were never supposed to be a democracy.

Hope you like the outcome.

Link one of these polls they seem to be elusive. This should really be voted on.

They seem to be elusive? Are you a joke? All I did was punch into google "Wisconsin stadium poll" and I got a half dozen different polls.

Beside, I'm not even in support. I wish the public was completely against stadiums. Stadiums are a massive waste of money. They produce nothing, consume tons, and are of no real benefit to the public.

 

[Andylusion]

I have no issue with cutting g the education spending. My problem is that the savings should be returned to the taxpayers not given to a private business.

Then there is no stadium, and they lose their profession sports team. The public would go bonkers. If it wasn't for that, I'd agree with you.