Which candidate will put more money into the Middle Class?

[Indeependent]

The math has been done, trumps tax plan will put more money into everyone pockets, and a fairly significant amount.

possibly enough to jump the economy.

hillary is promising some pocket change.

Tax cuts won't jump start anything. We've seen that. The variable in the formula for long term growth that's been flat for some time is wage growth. Giving people a couple of grand once a year isn't going to do anything. Consumers having a grand a month more in wages will go much further.

The last time I looked, presidents don't sign paychecks.

Last time I checked, Presidents influence outcomes via their policies. What candidate do you believe based on policies will yield more take home pay on a long term basis for the middle class?

What policies are currently inhibiting the growth of wages over the last 25 years?

I'm a Democrat and believe the Democratic candidate not only has a better idea of what the problems actually are but has a grasp on solutions as well. Simply raising the MW as a start would put much needed upward pressure on wages.I hear nothing from Republicans about wages at all and the only solution they ever offer for the economy is tax cuts. Look at this thread as an example.
When you look at the growth business has had over the last 25 years and compare it with the growth in wages, what explains the incongruity? Incentives need to be built into corporate taxes that allow for credits in exchange for keeping wages competitive to the cost of living. Simply giving a tax cut without requiring something in return does nothing for wages or workers.

Minimum Wage is a band-aid.

 

[Windship]

The math has been done, trumps tax plan will put more money into everyone pockets, and a fairly significant amount.

possibly enough to jump the economy.

hillary is promising some pocket change.

So, trump, part of the ruling elite...is gonna do something for the working class? You think that?...ur fired.

 

[Indeependent]

The math has been done, trumps tax plan will put more money into everyone pockets, and a fairly significant amount.

possibly enough to jump the economy.

hillary is promising some pocket change.

So, trump, part of the ruling elite...is gonna do something for the working class? You think that?...ur fired.

Hillary is NOT part of the ruling elite?

 

[Windship]

I've always found it best to fend for myself.

Lol. What a total crock of shit....did it all by yourself....with no help...
"A fully independent man"...lol, ok hot shot.

 

[dblack]

Government shouldn't be promoting any particular 'class'.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Depends on how big a picture you look at. If you cut taxes in a fiscally responsible manner, you have to cut spending somewhere else. If you cut spending somewhere else, that's a drag on jobs and the economy.

If you cut taxes but don't cut spending, you add to the deficit, which adds to the cost of the interest on the debt, which is effectively a tax increase.

I think you're omitting bringing jobs back.

That's a wish not a fact.

It's a fact; and not so hard to do.

What's a fact?

Drink some coffee.
Bringing business back is as difficult as it was for them to leave; not difficult at all.

You cannot create a tax cut large enough to bring back 1.00 an hour jobs overseas.

 

[Windship]

The math has been done, trumps tax plan will put more money into everyone pockets, and a fairly significant amount.

possibly enough to jump the economy.

hillary is promising some pocket change.

So, trump, part of the ruling elite...is gonna do something for the working class? You think that?...ur fired.

Hillary is NOT part of the ruling elite?

Youve been so indoctrinated that people like me boggle some ppl. I see what has happened in the last 50 years and know where the world is headed and its friggin scary. I know NEITHER of them is going to do ANYTHING for the working class but continue the fucking of them. You think your vote counts? Look at the choices.
Dem, rep...dem, rep, dem rep....screw that! They both have done nothing but trash our rights, our ability to support our families and pursue life, liberty and happiness, steel our democracy and set up an oligarchy. What is so pitiful are the ppl who think the mainstream candidates will do ANYTHING for the middle class or poor. They have their eyes, ears and their ability to logically reason, closed.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

The math has been done, trumps tax plan will put more money into everyone pockets, and a fairly significant amount.

possibly enough to jump the economy.

hillary is promising some pocket change.

Tax cuts won't jump start anything. We've seen that. The variable in the formula for long term growth that's been flat for some time is wage growth. Giving people a couple of grand once a year isn't going to do anything. Consumers having a grand a month more in wages will go much further.

The last time I looked, presidents don't sign paychecks.

Last time I checked, Presidents influence outcomes via their policies. What candidate do you believe based on policies will yield more take home pay on a long term basis for the middle class?

What policies are currently inhibiting the growth of wages over the last 25 years?

I'm a Democrat and believe the Democratic candidate not only has a better idea of what the problems actually are but has a grasp on solutions as well. Simply raising the MW as a start would put much needed upward pressure on wages.I hear nothing from Republicans about wages at all and the only solution they ever offer for the economy is tax cuts. Look at this thread as an example.
When you look at the growth business has had over the last 25 years and compare it with the growth in wages, what explains the incongruity? Incentives need to be built into corporate taxes that allow for credits in exchange for keeping wages competitive to the cost of living. Simply giving a tax cut without requiring something in return does nothing for wages or workers.

Minimum Wage is a band-aid.

It's a start. It immediately bumps up wages through all tiers. It can then be built on with other incentives for employers to better compensate employees going forward.
Wages have been losing ground for decades. There's a lot of ground to make up.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Middle Class taxpayers have seen their take home pay decline. The bottom 47 percent pay no income tax, the top 10 percent income earners pay 71 percent of the income tax while middle class income earners pay the highest percent of their paycheck to income taxes.

Who is going to deliver relief for the Middle Class and how? For starters, demonizing the wealthy and making the poor pay income taxes are not viable solutions as they do not directly address the Middle Class getting more take home pay.

Trump's tax plan will add to the 47% that pay no taxes.

I stated that taxing the 47 percent paying no taxes would not be a viable part of the plan to put more money into the middle class. You've stated what Trump will do, what will Clinton do?

Trump's plan will lower the taxable income of millions of Americans by lowering the marginal rates and increasing the personal exemptions.

Now pay attention. That's taxable income before tax credits are applied. We have huge tax credits especially for people with children.
The lower your taxable income is before you apply the credits, the more cases will occur where the credits wipe out the tax liability,

thus resulting in more people paying no income tax.

 

[BluesLegend]

TTP illegal Wall Street China Mexico loving Hillary spread her legs and sold herself to the highest bidder, it wasn't the middle class.

 

[Windship]

The disappearing middle class did not all slide down, a significant number moved up but no one replaced them. Presidential candidates like to talk about creating jobs but the best they can actually do is create enough stability that consumers feel confident enough to buy durable goods. Trump's talk of trade wars, mass deportations, war and generally chaotic attitude does not seem like it would make for a stable country.

a significant number moved up? Id really like to see a link...

 

[Windship]

TTP illegal Wall Street China Mexico loving Hillary spread her legs and sold herself to the highest bidder, it wasn't the middle class.

bush's most visited country? MEXICO and clintons was china.
President Bush By The Numbers

President Bush waves as he exits Air Force One after arriving at Tel Aviv's Ben Gurion International Airport in Israel, Jan. 9, 2008.
CBS/APTV

• Email

This story was written by CBS News White House correspondent Mark Knoller.

There are many ways to assess President Bush's eight years in office. Countless hours of broadcast time and tons of newsprint are being consumed in that pursuit these days.

And you can agree or not with what's being said and written.

It's difficult for any of us to convey an objective assessment of the Bush presidency - but numbers come close to offering a bit of unbiased insight.

So here - in no particular order - are some of the numbers that mark the record of the 43rd President of the United States. When no source is cited, the numbers are from the tallies I maintained during day-to-day coverage of President Bush.

• National Debt Increase: $4.9 trillion.
  
  National Debt as of Jan. 15, 2009: $10.6 trillion
  Debt when Mr. Bush took office: $5.7 trillion
  (Source: U.S. Treasury Dept.)

• Number Of Political Fund-Raisers Attended By President Bush: 338

• Amount Or Money Raised At These Fund-Raisers: $802,586,070
  (Some campaigns refused to disclose the amounts)

• Number Of Baseball Games Attended: 12
  (Including Game 3 of the World Series in Yankee Stadium on Oct. 30, 2001)

• Number Of All Sporting Events Attended: 98
  (Counting the Beijing Olympics as one)

• Number of Cabinet Meetings: 49

• Number Of Times President Bush Had Dinner Out At A Restaurant: 21

• U.S. Military Deaths In Iraq: 4,228
  (Source: Dept of Defense as of Jan. 16, 2009)

• U.S. Military Deaths In Afghanistan: 634
  (Source: Dept. of Defense as of Jan. 16, 2009)

• Medals Of Honor Bestowed By Pres. Bush: 12
  (Nine were awarded posthumously. Four were for service in Iraq, 1 for Afghanistan.)

• Number Of Commencement Speeches Delivered: 23
  (The last one was Dec 12, 2008, at Texas A&M)

• Number Of Visits To Camp David: 149, totaling all or part of 487 days.

• Number Of Foreign Leader Visits To Camp David: 19, including 3 by British Prime Minister Tony Blair and 2 by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed al Nahyan of Abu Dhabi, UAE.

• Number Of Visits To His Texas Ranch: 77, totaling all or part of 490 days.

• Number Of Foreign Leader Visits To His Texas Ranch: 20, including 2 by King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia (Crown Prince at the time) and 2 by President Vicente Fox of Mexico.

• Number Of Visits To His Parents' Home In Kennebunkport, Maine: 11, totaling all or part of 43 days.

• Number Of Out Of Town Domestic Trips: 609
  (That's not counting Camp David visits or bike riding outings)

• Number Of Foreign Trips: 49

• Number Of Foreign Nations Visited: 75

• Foreign Nations Visited Most: Mexico, Italy and Russia, 6 times each.

• Number Of Rounds Of Golf Played As President: 24
  (The last one on Oct. 13, 2003. President Bush has since explained that he stopped playing golf out of respect for the families of Americans killed in the war in Iraq.)

• Number Of Katrina-Related Visits To The Gulf Coast: 18

• Number Of Formal, Solo, White House News Conferences: 44

• Total Number Of News Conferences: 212
  (Including many joint sessions with foreign leaders at home and abroad)

• Number Of News Conferences At Which Shoes Were Thrown At Him: 1

• Number Of Presidential Pardons: 189
  
  By Comparison:
  
  Bill Clinton: 396
  George H.W. Bush: 74
  Ronald Reagan: 393
  Jimmy Carter: 534
  Gerald Ford: 382
  Richard Nixon: 863
  Lyndon Johnson: 960
  John Kennedy: 472
  Dwight Eisenhower: 1110
  Harry S. Truman: 1913

• Number Of Commutations Of Sentence: 11

• Number Of Recess Appointments: 165
  (Source: Senate Historian)
  
  Democrats blocked the practice in the fall of 2007 by keeping the Senate in session even during holiday periods.

• Addresses To The Nation: 23
  (The last was his Farewell Address on Jan. 15, 2009)

• Addresses To Joint Sessions Of Congress: 9
  (Of which 7 were State of the Union speeches)

• State Dinners For Foreign Leaders: 6
  
  Pres. Vicente Fox of Mexico
  Pres. Alexander Krasniewski of Poland
  Pres. Gloria Arroyo of the Philippines
  Pres. Mwai Kibaki of Kenya
  Queen Elizabeth II of UK
  Pres. John Kufuor of Ghana

• States Not Visited As President: 1, Vermont.
  (Last of the other 49 to be visited: Rhode Island, June 28, 2007.)

• Vetoes: 12, including 1 pocket veto.
  (President Bush did not cast his first veto until his sixth year in office - a measure to extend federal funding of stem cell research.)
  
  By comparison:
  
  Bill Clinton cast 37 (not counting line item vetoes)
  George H.W. Bush: 44
  Reagan: 78
  Carter: 31
  Ford: 66
  FDR: 635

• Vetoes Overridden By Congress: 4
  
  H.R. 1495 - the Water Resources Development Act of 2007
  H.R. 2419 - the $289-billion "Food, Conservation, and Energy Act of 2008"
  H.R. 6124 - The "Food, Conservation and Energy Act of 2008."
  H.R. 6331 - the "Medicare Improvements for Patients and Providers Act of 2008."

• Number Of Flights On Air Force One: 1,674
  (Source: Presidential Airlift Group)

• Number Of Miles Flown On Air Force One: 1,490,698
  (Presidential Airlift Group)

• Number Of Chiefs Of Staff: 2, Andrew Card and Josh Bolten.

• Number Of Press Secretaries: 4, Ari Fleischer, Scott McClellan, Tony Snow and

 

[Hutch Starskey]

TTP illegal Wall Street China Mexico loving Hillary spread her legs and sold herself to the highest bidder, it wasn't the middle class.

Global trade is going to happen whether we are involved or not. We can either be a major player in negotiating our stake in it or we can bury our heads and work with what's left.

This isn't 1950 anymore when the bulk of industrialized nations were decimated, developing nations weren't a factor and America was the big boy on the block calling the shots throughout the world. There are more players now than ever which means our share in that market will naturally decrease.

 

[BluesLegend]

TTP illegal Wall Street China Mexico loving Hillary spread her legs and sold herself to the highest bidder, it wasn't the middle class.

Global trade is going to happen whether we are involved or not. We can either be a major player in negotiating our stake in it or we can bury our heads and work with what's left.

This isn't 1950 anymore when the bulk of industrialized nations were decimated and America was the big boy on the block calling the shots throughout the world. There are more players now than ever which means our share in that market will naturally decrease.

Jeb Bush is that you? There you have it ladies and gentlemen ^^^ just bend over and take it up the ass.

 

[Windship]

TTP illegal Wall Street China Mexico loving Hillary spread her legs and sold herself to the highest bidder, it wasn't the middle class.

bush's most visited country? MEXICO and clintons was china.
President Bush By The Numbers

President Bush waves as he exits Air Force One after arriving at Tel Aviv's Ben Gurion International Airport in Israel, Jan. 9, 2008.
CBS/APTV

• Email

This story was written by CBS News White House correspondent Mark Knoller.

There are many ways to assess President Bush's eight years in office. Countless hours of broadcast time and tons of newsprint are being consumed in that pursuit these days.

And you can agree or not with what's being said and written.

It's difficult for any of us to convey an objective assessment of the Bush presidency - but numbers come close to offering a bit of unbiased insight.

So here - in no particular order - are some of the numbers that mark the record of the 43rd President of the United States. When no source is cited, the numbers are from the tallies I maintained during day-to-day coverage of President Bush.

• National Debt Increase: $4.9 trillion.
  
  National Debt as of Jan. 15, 2009: $10.6 trillion
  Debt when Mr. Bush took office: $5.7 trillion
  (Source: U.S. Treasury Dept.)

• Number Of Political Fund-Raisers Attended By President Bush: 338

• Amount Or Money Raised At These Fund-Raisers: $802,586,070
  (Some campaigns refused to disclose the amounts)

• Number Of Baseball Games Attended: 12
  (Including Game 3 of the World Series in Yankee Stadium on Oct. 30, 2001)

• Number Of All Sporting Events Attended: 98
  (Counting the Beijing Olympics as one)

• Number of Cabinet Meetings: 49

• Number Of Times President Bush Had Dinner Out At A Restaurant: 21

• U.S. Military Deaths In Iraq: 4,228
  (Source: Dept of Defense as of Jan. 16, 2009)

• U.S. Military Deaths In Afghanistan: 634
  (Source: Dept. of Defense as of Jan. 16, 2009)

• Medals Of Honor Bestowed By Pres. Bush: 12
  (Nine were awarded posthumously. Four were for service in Iraq, 1 for Afghanistan.)

• Number Of Commencement Speeches Delivered: 23
  (The last one was Dec 12, 2008, at Texas A&M)

• Number Of Visits To Camp David: 149, totaling all or part of 487 days.

• Number Of Foreign Leader Visits To Camp David: 19, including 3 by British Prime Minister Tony Blair and 2 by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed al Nahyan of Abu Dhabi, UAE.

• Number Of Visits To His Texas Ranch: 77, totaling all or part of 490 days.

• Number Of Foreign Leader Visits To His Texas Ranch: 20, including 2 by King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia (Crown Prince at the time) and 2 by President Vicente Fox of Mexico.

• Number Of Visits To His Parents' Home In Kennebunkport, Maine: 11, totaling all or part of 43 days.

• Number Of Out Of Town Domestic Trips: 609
  (That's not counting Camp David visits or bike riding outings)

• Number Of Foreign Trips: 49

• Number Of Foreign Nations Visited: 75

• Foreign Nations Visited Most: Mexico, Italy and Russia, 6 times each.

• Number Of Rounds Of Golf Played As President: 24
  (The last one on Oct. 13, 2003. President Bush has since explained that he stopped playing golf out of respect for the families of Americans killed in the war in Iraq.)

• Number Of Katrina-Related Visits To The Gulf Coast: 18

• Number Of Formal, Solo, White House News Conferences: 44

• Total Number Of News Conferences: 212
  (Including many joint sessions with foreign leaders at home and abroad)

• Number Of News Conferences At Which Shoes Were Thrown At Him: 1

• Number Of Presidential Pardons: 189
  
  By Comparison:
  
  Bill Clinton: 396
  George H.W. Bush: 74
  Ronald Reagan: 393
  Jimmy Carter: 534
  Gerald Ford: 382
  Richard Nixon: 863
  Lyndon Johnson: 960
  John Kennedy: 472
  Dwight Eisenhower: 1110
  Harry S. Truman: 1913

• Number Of Commutations Of Sentence: 11

• Number Of Recess Appointments: 165
  (Source: Senate Historian)
  
  Democrats blocked the practice in the fall of 2007 by keeping the Senate in session even during holiday periods.

• Addresses To The Nation: 23
  (The last was his Farewell Address on Jan. 15, 2009)

• Addresses To Joint Sessions Of Congress: 9
  (Of which 7 were State of the Union speeches)

• State Dinners For Foreign Leaders: 6
  
  Pres. Vicente Fox of Mexico
  Pres. Alexander Krasniewski of Poland
  Pres. Gloria Arroyo of the Philippines
  Pres. Mwai Kibaki of Kenya
  Queen Elizabeth II of UK
  Pres. John Kufuor of Ghana

• States Not Visited As President: 1, Vermont.
  (Last of the other 49 to be visited: Rhode Island, June 28, 2007.)

• Vetoes: 12, including 1 pocket veto.
  (President Bush did not cast his first veto until his sixth year in office - a measure to extend federal funding of stem cell research.)
  
  By comparison:
  
  Bill Clinton cast 37 (not counting line item vetoes)
  George H.W. Bush: 44
  Reagan: 78
  Carter: 31
  Ford: 66
  FDR: 635

• Vetoes Overridden By Congress: 4
  
  H.R. 1495 - the Water Resources Development Act of 2007
  H.R. 2419 - the $289-billion "Food, Conservation, and Energy Act of 2008"
  H.R. 6124 - The "Food, Conservation and Energy Act of 2008."
  H.R. 6331 - the "Medicare Improvements for Patients and Providers Act of 2008."

• Number Of Flights On Air Force One: 1,674
  (Source: Presidential Airlift Group)

• Number Of Miles Flown On Air Force One: 1,490,698
  (Presidential Airlift Group)

• Number Of Chiefs Of Staff: 2, Andrew Card and Josh Bolten.

• Number Of Press Secretaries: 4, Ari Fleischer, Scott McClellan, Tony Snow and

In fact... the very FIRST country wasnt in europe...it was mexico on feb 16, 2001. Ya cant fig this out?...comn...just like when cheney had his supersecret meetings with the 5 oil co execs and a week later gas prices went through the roof and ppl cant fig what they talked about. Lol.bush took 6 trips in all to mex. His most visited country. 6 trips in all...want the dates?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

TTP illegal Wall Street China Mexico loving Hillary spread her legs and sold herself to the highest bidder, it wasn't the middle class.

Global trade is going to happen whether we are involved or not. We can either be a major player in negotiating our stake in it or we can bury our heads and work with what's left.

This isn't 1950 anymore when the bulk of industrialized nations were decimated and America was the big boy on the block calling the shots throughout the world. There are more players now than ever which means our share in that market will naturally decrease.

Jeb Bush is that you? There you have it ladies and gentlemen ^^^ just bend over and take it up the ass.

What do you propose junior?
Bomb the industrialized world back to where we are once again dominant?

 

[Windship]

TTP illegal Wall Street China Mexico loving Hillary spread her legs and sold herself to the highest bidder, it wasn't the middle class.

Global trade is going to happen whether we are involved or not. We can either be a major player in negotiating our stake in it or we can bury our heads and work with what's left.

This isn't 1950 anymore when the bulk of industrialized nations were decimated and developing nations weren't a factor and America was the big boy on the block calling the shots throughout the world. There are more players now than ever which means our share in that market will naturally decrease.

Civil disobedience and protests not ruling out violent protest. Thats how. The gov is not afraid of us anymore so we dont matter. What keeps a gov in line is fear. Just like they do to us. Go to youtube and watch Chris Hedges.

 

[Windship]

TTP illegal Wall Street China Mexico loving Hillary spread her legs and sold herself to the highest bidder, it wasn't the middle class.

Global trade is going to happen whether we are involved or not. We can either be a major player in negotiating our stake in it or we can bury our heads and work with what's left.

This isn't 1950 anymore when the bulk of industrialized nations were decimated, developing nations weren't a factor and America was the big boy on the block calling the shots throughout the world. There are more players now than ever which means our share in that market will naturally decrease.

Ill bet you my life that your not a blue collar worker on hourly wage....Ill bet everything...

 

[BluesLegend]

TTP illegal Wall Street China Mexico loving Hillary spread her legs and sold herself to the highest bidder, it wasn't the middle class.

Global trade is going to happen whether we are involved or not. We can either be a major player in negotiating our stake in it or we can bury our heads and work with what's left.

This isn't 1950 anymore when the bulk of industrialized nations were decimated and America was the big boy on the block calling the shots throughout the world. There are more players now than ever which means our share in that market will naturally decrease.

Jeb Bush is that you? There you have it ladies and gentlemen ^^^ just bend over and take it up the ass.

What do you propose junior?
Bomb the industrialized world back to where we are once again dominant?

You people allowed globalism to destroy General Motors...oh wait you didn't

 

[Hutch Starskey]

TTP illegal Wall Street China Mexico loving Hillary spread her legs and sold herself to the highest bidder, it wasn't the middle class.

Global trade is going to happen whether we are involved or not. We can either be a major player in negotiating our stake in it or we can bury our heads and work with what's left.

This isn't 1950 anymore when the bulk of industrialized nations were decimated and developing nations weren't a factor and America was the big boy on the block calling the shots throughout the world. There are more players now than ever which means our share in that market will naturally decrease.

Civil disobedience and protests not ruling out violent protest. Thats how. The gov is not afraid of us anymore so we dont matter. What keeps a gov in line is fear. Just like they do to us. Go to youtube and watch Chris Hedges.

Protests aren't going to change the reality that we are no longer the only place to source key materials in the world at decidedly lower price then before.