Which candidate will put more money into the Middle Class?

[Onyx]

REALLY?
Marx influenced Ricardo?
Are you retardo?

Bad comprehension on your part.

Ricardo influenced Karl Marx.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Middle Class taxpayers have seen their take home pay decline. The bottom 47 percent pay no income tax, the top 10 percent income earners pay 71 percent of the income tax while middle class income earners pay the highest percent of their paycheck to income taxes.

Who is going to deliver relief for the Middle Class and how? For starters, demonizing the wealthy and making the poor pay income taxes are not viable solutions as they do not directly address the Middle Class getting more take home pay.

Trump's tax plan will add to the 47% that pay no taxes.

link

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Middle Class taxpayers have seen their take home pay decline. The bottom 47 percent pay no income tax, the top 10 percent income earners pay 71 percent of the income tax while middle class income earners pay the highest percent of their paycheck to income taxes.

Who is going to deliver relief for the Middle Class and how? For starters, demonizing the wealthy and making the poor pay income taxes are not viable solutions as they do not directly address the Middle Class getting more take home pay.

Trump's tax plan will add to the 47% that pay no taxes.

link

How can it not?

 

[Indeependent]

REALLY?
Marx influenced Ricardo?
Are you retardo?

Bad comprehension on your part.

Ricardo influenced Karl Marx.

That's better.
I know lots of people who became multi-millionaires prior to Reagan.
Unfettered Free Trade works...for less than 2% of the world's population.

 

[Onyx]

I know lots of people who became multi-millionaires prior to Reagan.
Unfettered Free Trade works...for less than 2% of the world's population.

On the contrary, it works for 98% of the world's population.

Protectionism exists now because inner state corporations benefit from it.

The lack of free trade means higher material costs for small business and less accountability from corporations , which in turn grow to be quite lazy and abusive. This negatively impacts the common man.

 

[Indeependent]

I know lots of people who became multi-millionaires prior to Reagan.
Unfettered Free Trade works...for less than 2% of the world's population.

On the contrary, it works for 98% of the world's population.

Protectionism exists now because inner state corporations benefit from it.

The lack of free trade means higher material costs for small business and less accountability from corporations , which negatively impacts the common man.

Fair Trade is not Protectionism.
No one practices Free Trade like America.
If Middle Class taxes didn't feed the 98.2% of Americans screwed by Free Trade there would be violence in the streets.

 

[Onyx]

Fair Trade is not Protectionism.
No one practices Free Trade like America.
If Middle Class didn't feed the 98.2% of Americans screwed by Free Trade there would be violence in the streets.

You can call it fair trade or protectionism. Either way, you are discriminating on whose profit margins gets safeguarded.

A good business stands on its own, without needing government assistance. Protectionism, which is what you are advocating, is an ineffective socialist policy.

We do not have free trade in America. Tons of limiting policies exist, and they are all reinforced by corporations.

If your claim is that things were better before Reagan, and that we also have more free trade now, then you have to acknowledge how much the economy has grown since the time in reference.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Middle Class taxpayers have seen their take home pay decline. The bottom 47 percent pay no income tax, the top 10 percent income earners pay 71 percent of the income tax while middle class income earners pay the highest percent of their paycheck to income taxes.

Who is going to deliver relief for the Middle Class and how? For starters, demonizing the wealthy and making the poor pay income taxes are not viable solutions as they do not directly address the Middle Class getting more take home pay.

Trump's tax plan will add to the 47% that pay no taxes.

link

You have no idea what's in his tax plan, I take it.

 

[Indeependent]

Fair Trade is not Protectionism.
No one practices Free Trade like America.
If Middle Class didn't feed the 98.2% of Americans screwed by Free Trade there would be violence in the streets.

You can call it fair trade or protectionism. Either way, you are discriminating on whose profit margins gets safeguarded.

A good business stands on its own, without needing government assistance. Protectionism, which is what you are advocating, is an ineffective socialist policy.

We do not have free trade in America. Tons of limiting policies exist, and they are all reinforced by corporations.

Also, if your claim is that things were better for Reagan, and that we have more free trade now, then you have to acknowledge how much the economy has grown since the time in reference.

Copyright laws, Naval protection of shipments, airport and air tarffic security, police enforcement...
Yep, MNCs don't get ANY infrastructure support.

Those poor MNCs are SO limited by legislation.
Please detail 5 laws that hamper commerce.

Your entire post is fraught with intellectual flaws.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Middle Class taxpayers have seen their take home pay decline. The bottom 47 percent pay no income tax, the top 10 percent income earners pay 71 percent of the income tax while middle class income earners pay the highest percent of their paycheck to income taxes.

Who is going to deliver relief for the Middle Class and how? For starters, demonizing the wealthy and making the poor pay income taxes are not viable solutions as they do not directly address the Middle Class getting more take home pay.

Trump's tax plan will add to the 47% that pay no taxes.

I stated that taxing the 47 percent paying no taxes would not be a viable part of the plan to put more money into the middle class. You've stated what Trump will do, what will Clinton do?

 

[LeftofLeft]

The math has been done, trumps tax plan will put more money into everyone pockets, and a fairly significant amount.

possibly enough to jump the economy.

hillary is promising some pocket change.

Tax cuts won't jump start anything. We've seen that. The variable in the formula for long term growth that's been flat for some time is wage growth. Giving people a couple of grand once a year isn't going to do anything. Consumers having a grand a month more in wages will go much further.

The last time I looked, presidents don't sign paychecks.

Last time I checked, Presidents influence outcomes via their policies. What candidate do you believe based on policies will yield more take home pay on a long term basis for the middle class?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Middle Class taxpayers have seen their take home pay decline. The bottom 47 percent pay no income tax, the top 10 percent income earners pay 71 percent of the income tax while middle class income earners pay the highest percent of their paycheck to income taxes.

Who is going to deliver relief for the Middle Class and how? For starters, demonizing the wealthy and making the poor pay income taxes are not viable solutions as they do not directly address the Middle Class getting more take home pay.

Trump's tax plan will add to the 47% that pay no taxes.

I stated that taxing the 47 percent paying no taxes would not be a viable part of the plan to put more money into the middle class. You've stated what Trump will do, what will Clinton do?

Look it up. I've taken the time to look up the Trump plan. It's your turn.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The math has been done, trumps tax plan will put more money into everyone pockets, and a fairly significant amount.

possibly enough to jump the economy.

hillary is promising some pocket change.

Tax cuts won't jump start anything. We've seen that. The variable in the formula for long term growth that's been flat for some time is wage growth. Giving people a couple of grand once a year isn't going to do anything. Consumers having a grand a month more in wages will go much further.

The last time I looked, presidents don't sign paychecks.

Last time I checked, Presidents influence outcomes via their policies. What candidate do you believe based on policies will yield more take home pay on a long term basis for the middle class?

Depends on how big a picture you look at. If you cut taxes in a fiscally responsible manner, you have to cut spending somewhere else. If you cut spending somewhere else, that's a drag on jobs and the economy.

If you cut taxes but don't cut spending, you add to the deficit, which adds to the cost of the interest on the debt, which is effectively a tax increase.

 

[Indeependent]

The math has been done, trumps tax plan will put more money into everyone pockets, and a fairly significant amount.

possibly enough to jump the economy.

hillary is promising some pocket change.

Tax cuts won't jump start anything. We've seen that. The variable in the formula for long term growth that's been flat for some time is wage growth. Giving people a couple of grand once a year isn't going to do anything. Consumers having a grand a month more in wages will go much further.

The last time I looked, presidents don't sign paychecks.

Last time I checked, Presidents influence outcomes via their policies. What candidate do you believe based on policies will yield more take home pay on a long term basis for the middle class?

Depends on how big a picture you look at. If you cut taxes in a fiscally responsible manner, you have to cut spending somewhere else. If you cut spending somewhere else, that's a drag on jobs and the economy.

If you cut taxes but don't cut spending, you add to the deficit, which adds to the cost of the interest on the debt, which is effectively a tax increase.

I think you're omitting bringing jobs back.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The math has been done, trumps tax plan will put more money into everyone pockets, and a fairly significant amount.

possibly enough to jump the economy.

hillary is promising some pocket change.

Tax cuts won't jump start anything. We've seen that. The variable in the formula for long term growth that's been flat for some time is wage growth. Giving people a couple of grand once a year isn't going to do anything. Consumers having a grand a month more in wages will go much further.

The last time I looked, presidents don't sign paychecks.

Last time I checked, Presidents influence outcomes via their policies. What candidate do you believe based on policies will yield more take home pay on a long term basis for the middle class?

Depends on how big a picture you look at. If you cut taxes in a fiscally responsible manner, you have to cut spending somewhere else. If you cut spending somewhere else, that's a drag on jobs and the economy.

If you cut taxes but don't cut spending, you add to the deficit, which adds to the cost of the interest on the debt, which is effectively a tax increase.

I think you're omitting bringing jobs back.

That's a wish not a fact.

 

[Indeependent]

The math has been done, trumps tax plan will put more money into everyone pockets, and a fairly significant amount.

possibly enough to jump the economy.

hillary is promising some pocket change.

Tax cuts won't jump start anything. We've seen that. The variable in the formula for long term growth that's been flat for some time is wage growth. Giving people a couple of grand once a year isn't going to do anything. Consumers having a grand a month more in wages will go much further.

The last time I looked, presidents don't sign paychecks.

Last time I checked, Presidents influence outcomes via their policies. What candidate do you believe based on policies will yield more take home pay on a long term basis for the middle class?

Depends on how big a picture you look at. If you cut taxes in a fiscally responsible manner, you have to cut spending somewhere else. If you cut spending somewhere else, that's a drag on jobs and the economy.

If you cut taxes but don't cut spending, you add to the deficit, which adds to the cost of the interest on the debt, which is effectively a tax increase.

I think you're omitting bringing jobs back.

That's a wish not a fact.

It's a fact; and not so hard to do.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Tax cuts won't jump start anything. We've seen that. The variable in the formula for long term growth that's been flat for some time is wage growth. Giving people a couple of grand once a year isn't going to do anything. Consumers having a grand a month more in wages will go much further.

The last time I looked, presidents don't sign paychecks.

Last time I checked, Presidents influence outcomes via their policies. What candidate do you believe based on policies will yield more take home pay on a long term basis for the middle class?

Depends on how big a picture you look at. If you cut taxes in a fiscally responsible manner, you have to cut spending somewhere else. If you cut spending somewhere else, that's a drag on jobs and the economy.

If you cut taxes but don't cut spending, you add to the deficit, which adds to the cost of the interest on the debt, which is effectively a tax increase.

I think you're omitting bringing jobs back.

That's a wish not a fact.

It's a fact; and not so hard to do.

What's a fact?

 

[Indeependent]

Last time I checked, Presidents influence outcomes via their policies. What candidate do you believe based on policies will yield more take home pay on a long term basis for the middle class?

Depends on how big a picture you look at. If you cut taxes in a fiscally responsible manner, you have to cut spending somewhere else. If you cut spending somewhere else, that's a drag on jobs and the economy.

If you cut taxes but don't cut spending, you add to the deficit, which adds to the cost of the interest on the debt, which is effectively a tax increase.

I think you're omitting bringing jobs back.

That's a wish not a fact.

It's a fact; and not so hard to do.

What's a fact?

Drink some coffee.
Bringing business back is as difficult as it was for them to leave; not difficult at all.

 

[Windship]

The only people who can put more money into any class is the people. Buy made in America, support a raise in wages, raise taxes on those who benefit most from our nation and put that money into infrastructure. Recognize the free market only helps corporations and tax them when they move off shore. As an example look on the roads today and see all the cars that supports unions, healthcare, and in the case of Germany free college. They call it the rust belt for a reason. But Americans today are too partisan hypnotized to see they are being played as suckers.

See here how much high end cars contribute to work in America. 2015
Kogod School of Business Made in America Auto Index

'In 2014, Chevrolet sold 597 cars in Japan. No, we are not forgetting any zeroes at the end of that figure.'
Donald Trump: Chevrolet in Tokyo, Japan, 'doesn't exist'

"While it may come as no shock that luxury-car maker Mercedes-Benz came out atop the list of least-recalled brands, with an average 0.41 units recalled per vehicle sold, General Motors, with nearly 100 million vehicles recalled since 1985, actually placed third-best, with 0.65 cars and trucks recalled per unit sold.

Of the 15 major automakers surveyed, Hyundai Motor Company can lay claim to having the worst ratio, with 1.15 vehicles recalled for every model sold since it introduced the Excel to U.S. buyers in 1986. Other brands found to have recalled more cars than they sold in the U.S. over the last 30 years (needless to say this represents a number of cars for which multiple campaigns were initiated) include Mitsubishi, Volkswagen and Volvo; Chrysler broke even, so to speak, with a one-to-one sales-to-recall ratio. (Scroll down for the full results.)" Automakers With The Lowest (And Highest) Recall Rates


'Toyota leads in recalls again in 2013, with tally topping 5 million vehicles'
http://www.autonews.com/article/201...ls-again-in-2013-with-tally-topping-5-million


'Toyota's Out-of-Control Gas Pedals, 2009 & 2010, Size of Recall: 9 million vehicles Models Affected: 2004-2010 Toyota Avalon, Camry, Corolla, Matrix, Highlander, Prius, RAV4, Tundra, Tacoma and various Lexus models.'....Company officials have estimated the cost of the blunder will top $5 billion after all is said and done, making it the costliest recall ever recorded.' 5 Of The Largest Car Recalls In History | Investopedia

896,600 Reasons to Care About the Trans-Pacific Partnership
Press Releases
Alabama Steelworkers Fight for Their Jobs, Angered By Korea Trade Deal


"If any single number captures the state of the American economy over the last decade, it is zero. That was the net gain in jobs between 1999 and 2009—nada, nil, zip. By painful contrast, from the 1940s through the 1990s, recessions came and went, but no decade ended without at least a 20 percent increase in the number of jobs." http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2010/1003.lynn-longman.html

"The recent job actions and “Black Friday” protests at Walmart underscored the dismal wages and working conditions of many of the nation’s retail workers. Walmart hasn’t staked out some low-wage, no-benefit margin of the labor market: its labor and compensation practices are now the mainstream. For most of the last century, the worst employers in the United States—the tenement sweatshop, the company-town mine—were remnants of our past. Today, they are glimpses into our future." http://www.dissentmagazine.org/blog/the-good-jobs-deficit

"At the top of this list is a trade policy that was designed to put manufacturing workers in direct competition with low-paid workers in the developing world. This had the predicted and actual effect of lowering the wages of U.S. manufacturing workers. Since manufacturing jobs are comparatively well-paying jobs for the 70 percent of the workforce without a college degree, this policy had the effect of lowering wages for this larger group of workers as well." How to Create Middle Class Jobs

Why is it Americans do not call out media sources that criticize American companies for government support while they ignore other nations where government suppliers and manufacturers cooperate and collaborate. Consider imports to Japan (Keiretsu). Why no mention of Japan's embargoes? Fox constantly mentions GM in a negative tone, as do most American conservative media sources. Why not call them out for bias? Rush Limbaugh supports Germany with his auto purchases, while he criticizes America's workers, does anyone notice? Glenn Beck and most of the others never touch the hard topics of fair wages, outsourcing, monetary manipulation, or work in sweat shops that amount to slavery conditions. Now all of a sudden the conservatives are noticing inequality as if it materialized this past year.

"Japan ships 1.5 million cars to America each year, but allows only 20,000 American cars into its own market. Since 2012, Japan’s yen has devalued by 50 percent against the dollar. Now Japan wants tariff-free access to the U.S. market through the TPP while it continues to cheat on currency." see American Manufacturing.org and TPP

Excellent post and a lot of good, truthful and accurate info. ..not even one like or agree...wow.

Good to see someone else who gets it. Youll appreciate this:

 

[Hutch Starskey]

The math has been done, trumps tax plan will put more money into everyone pockets, and a fairly significant amount.

possibly enough to jump the economy.

hillary is promising some pocket change.

Tax cuts won't jump start anything. We've seen that. The variable in the formula for long term growth that's been flat for some time is wage growth. Giving people a couple of grand once a year isn't going to do anything. Consumers having a grand a month more in wages will go much further.

The last time I looked, presidents don't sign paychecks.

Last time I checked, Presidents influence outcomes via their policies. What candidate do you believe based on policies will yield more take home pay on a long term basis for the middle class?

What policies are currently inhibiting the growth of wages over the last 25 years?

I'm a Democrat and believe the Democratic candidate not only has a better idea of what the problems actually are but has a grasp on solutions as well. Simply raising the MW as a start would put much needed upward pressure on wages.I hear nothing from Republicans about wages at all and the only solution they ever offer for the economy is tax cuts. Look at this thread as an example.
When you look at the growth business has had over the last 25 years and compare it with the growth in wages, what explains the incongruity? Incentives need to be built into corporate taxes that allow for credits in exchange for keeping wages competitive to the cost of living. Simply giving a tax cut without requiring something in return does nothing for wages or workers.