Who are the Israelis?

[Toddsterpatriot]

Your ducking my original post.

Your point is that losers have nothing to lose.
Over the last 75 years, that belief cost them a state and lost them even more.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Your point is that losers have nothing to lose.
Over the last 75 years, that belief cost them a state and lost them even more.

Peace with Israel

It is said, constantly, that the Palestinians reject peace with Israel. What does that mean?

What about those who owned orange groves in Jaffa? Or factories in Haifa? Or farms in Najd? Or homes and commercial properties in Jerusalem?

What does peace with Israel mean for them?

I await your response.
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I knew you were going to dance around my post.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Peace with Israel

It is said, constantly, that the Palestinians reject peace with Israel. What does that mean?

What about those who owned orange groves in Jaffa? Or factories in Haifa? Or farms in Najd? Or homes and commercial properties in Jerusalem?

What does peace with Israel mean for them?

I await your response.
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I knew you were going to dance around my post.

It is said, constantly, that the Palestinians reject peace with Israel. What does that mean?

It means that rather than having a state and peace with Israel, they decided no state and war was better.

What about those who owned orange groves in Jaffa? Or factories in Haifa? Or farms in Najd? Or homes and commercial properties in Jerusalem?

What about them? Do they have those things now while fighting Israel?

 

[P F Tinmore]

It is said, constantly, that the Palestinians reject peace with Israel. What does that mean?

It means that rather than having a state and peace with Israel, they decided no state and war was better.

What about those who owned orange groves in Jaffa? Or factories in Haifa? Or farms in Najd? Or homes and commercial properties in Jerusalem?

What about them? Do they have those things now while fighting Israel?

What about them? Do they have those things now while fighting Israel?

They don't have those things because Israel stole their stuff.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

They don't have those things because Israel stole their stuff.

Boo hoo. They also don't have a state.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Boo hoo. They also don't have a state.

Israeli bullshit, of course.

The U.S. State Department Digest of International Law says that the terms of the Treaty of Lausanne provided for the application of the principles of state succession to the "A" Mandates. The Treaty of Versailles (1920) provisionally recognized the former Ottoman communities as independent nations. It also required Germany to recognize the disposition of the former Ottoman territories and to recognize the new states laid down within their boundaries. The Treaty of Lausanne required the newly created states that acquired the territory to pay annuities on the Ottoman public debt, and to assume responsibility for the administration of concessions that had been granted by the Ottomans. A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties. In its Judgment No. 5, The Mavrommatis Palestine Concessions, the Permanent Court of International Justice also decided that Palestine was responsible as the successor state for concessions granted by Ottoman authorities. The Courts of Palestine and Great Britain decided that title to the properties shown on the Ottoman Civil list had been ceded to the government of Palestine as an allied successor state.[25]​

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For John Quigley, Palestine's existence as a state predates the 1988 declaration. Tracing Palestine's status as an international entity back to the collapse of the Ottoman Empire after World War I, he recalls that the Palestine Mandate (1918–1948), an arrangement made under Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, held as its "ultimate objective", the "self-determination and independence of the people concerned." He says that in explicitly referring to the Covenant, the 1988 declaration was reaffirming an existing Palestinian statehood.[137]​

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The Treaty of Lausanne, to which the World War I allies were party, more than once refers to Turkey's Arab territories (Iraq, Syria, and Palestine), all of which became Class A mandates as "states" that were "detached" from Turkey. 40 The Treaty of Lausanne thus reflected an assumption that the Class A mandate territories, including Palestine, were "states." Under the League Covenant, the independence of these states was "provisionally recognized," and they were to be made independent in due course. 4 1 The Class A mandates were states temporarily under the administration of an outside state.​

 

[USAF 2023]

Peace with Israel

It is said, constantly, that the Palestinians reject peace with Israel. What does that mean?

What about those who owned orange groves in Jaffa? Or factories in Haifa? Or farms in Najd? Or homes and commercial properties in Jerusalem?

What does peace with Israel mean for them?

I await your response.

Israeli bullshit, of course.

The U.S. State Department Digest of International Law says that the terms of the Treaty of Lausanne provided for the application of the principles of state succession to the "A" Mandates. The Treaty of Versailles (1920) provisionally recognized the former Ottoman communities as independent nations. It also required Germany to recognize the disposition of the former Ottoman territories and to recognize the new states laid down within their boundaries. The Treaty of Lausanne required the newly created states that acquired the territory to pay annuities on the Ottoman public debt, and to assume responsibility for the administration of concessions that had been granted by the Ottomans. A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties. In its Judgment No. 5, The Mavrommatis Palestine Concessions, the Permanent Court of International Justice also decided that Palestine was responsible as the successor state for concessions granted by Ottoman authorities. The Courts of Palestine and Great Britain decided that title to the properties shown on the Ottoman Civil list had been ceded to the government of Palestine as an allied successor state.[25]​

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For John Quigley, Palestine's existence as a state predates the 1988 declaration. Tracing Palestine's status as an international entity back to the collapse of the Ottoman Empire after World War I, he recalls that the Palestine Mandate (1918–1948), an arrangement made under Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, held as its "ultimate objective", the "self-determination and independence of the people concerned." He says that in explicitly referring to the Covenant, the 1988 declaration was reaffirming an existing Palestinian statehood.[137]​

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The Treaty of Lausanne, to which the World War I allies were party, more than once refers to Turkey's Arab territories (Iraq, Syria, and Palestine), all of which became Class A mandates as "states" that were "detached" from Turkey. 40 The Treaty of Lausanne thus reflected an assumption that the Class A mandate territories, including Palestine, were "states." Under the League Covenant, the independence of these states was "provisionally recognized," and they were to be made independent in due course. 4 1 The Class A mandates were states temporarily under the administration of an outside state.​

Please tell us why “ Palestine” was never recognized by the UN and why the W Bank and E Jerusalem were considered part of Jordan and Gaza part of Egypt

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Israeli bullshit, of course.

The U.S. State Department Digest of International Law says that the terms of the Treaty of Lausanne provided for the application of the principles of state succession to the "A" Mandates. The Treaty of Versailles (1920) provisionally recognized the former Ottoman communities as independent nations. It also required Germany to recognize the disposition of the former Ottoman territories and to recognize the new states laid down within their boundaries. The Treaty of Lausanne required the newly created states that acquired the territory to pay annuities on the Ottoman public debt, and to assume responsibility for the administration of concessions that had been granted by the Ottomans. A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties. In its Judgment No. 5, The Mavrommatis Palestine Concessions, the Permanent Court of International Justice also decided that Palestine was responsible as the successor state for concessions granted by Ottoman authorities. The Courts of Palestine and Great Britain decided that title to the properties shown on the Ottoman Civil list had been ceded to the government of Palestine as an allied successor state.[25]​

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For John Quigley, Palestine's existence as a state predates the 1988 declaration. Tracing Palestine's status as an international entity back to the collapse of the Ottoman Empire after World War I, he recalls that the Palestine Mandate (1918–1948), an arrangement made under Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, held as its "ultimate objective", the "self-determination and independence of the people concerned." He says that in explicitly referring to the Covenant, the 1988 declaration was reaffirming an existing Palestinian statehood.[137]​

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The Treaty of Lausanne, to which the World War I allies were party, more than once refers to Turkey's Arab territories (Iraq, Syria, and Palestine), all of which became Class A mandates as "states" that were "detached" from Turkey. 40 The Treaty of Lausanne thus reflected an assumption that the Class A mandate territories, including Palestine, were "states." Under the League Covenant, the independence of these states was "provisionally recognized," and they were to be made independent in due course. 4 1 The Class A mandates were states temporarily under the administration of an outside state.​

Of course, the Palestinian state from the Mandate is Jordan.

 

[Ropey]

BQ: Why wasn't Jordan, which represents over 80% of the area of 'Mandatory Palestine', called Palestine?

 

[rosends]

Israeli bullshit, of course.

The U.S. State Department Digest of International Law says that the terms of the Treaty of Lausanne provided for the application of the principles of state succession to the "A" Mandates. The Treaty of Versailles (1920) provisionally recognized the former Ottoman communities as independent nations. It also required Germany to recognize the disposition of the former Ottoman territories and to recognize the new states laid down within their boundaries. The Treaty of Lausanne required the newly created states that acquired the territory to pay annuities on the Ottoman public debt, and to assume responsibility for the administration of concessions that had been granted by the Ottomans. A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties. In its Judgment No. 5, The Mavrommatis Palestine Concessions, the Permanent Court of International Justice also decided that Palestine was responsible as the successor state for concessions granted by Ottoman authorities. The Courts of Palestine and Great Britain decided that title to the properties shown on the Ottoman Civil list had been ceded to the government of Palestine as an allied successor state.[25]​

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For John Quigley, Palestine's existence as a state predates the 1988 declaration. Tracing Palestine's status as an international entity back to the collapse of the Ottoman Empire after World War I, he recalls that the Palestine Mandate (1918–1948), an arrangement made under Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, held as its "ultimate objective", the "self-determination and independence of the people concerned." He says that in explicitly referring to the Covenant, the 1988 declaration was reaffirming an existing Palestinian statehood.[137]​

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The Treaty of Lausanne, to which the World War I allies were party, more than once refers to Turkey's Arab territories (Iraq, Syria, and Palestine), all of which became Class A mandates as "states" that were "detached" from Turkey. 40 The Treaty of Lausanne thus reflected an assumption that the Class A mandate territories, including Palestine, were "states." Under the League Covenant, the independence of these states was "provisionally recognized," and they were to be made independent in due course. 4 1 The Class A mandates were states temporarily under the administration of an outside state.​

If you are going to copy and paste from wikipedia, it would be a bit more honest if you cut and pasted all the relevant stuff. The paragraph after what you pasted gives contrary arguments and ends with "The Court says that a conclusive determination on Palestine's declaration will have to be made by the judges at an appropriate moment." Other parts of the entry before and after what you posted call into question the absolute rectitude of the snippet you presented.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Please tell us why “ Palestine” was never recognized by the UN and why the W Bank and E Jerusalem were considered part of Jordan and Gaza part of Egypt

Nice duck but good questions nonetheless.

The Zionists have had an international propaganda machine for over 100 years. Their main goal was to convince the world that there is no Palestine even though there is much documentation proving that assertion to be false.

Only recently have the Palestinians had the knowledge and means to start debunking this BS.

 

[USAF 2023]

Nice duck but good questions nonetheless.

The Zionists have had an international propaganda machine for over 100 years. Their main goal was to convince the world that there is no Palestine even though there is much documentation proving that assertion to be false.

Only recently have the Palestinians had the knowledge and means to start debunking this BS.

Deflection. Why can’t you answer my question?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Deflection. Why can’t you answer my question?

Please tell us why “ Palestine” was never recognized by the UN

The Palestinians informed the UN about its declaration of independence in 1948. I have no idea as to why nothing happened with it.

why the W Bank and E Jerusalem were considered part of Jordan and Gaza part of Egypt

They weren't.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The Palestinians informed the UN about its declaration of independence in 1948. I have no idea as to why nothing happened with it.

They weren't.

The Palestinians informed the UN about its declaration of independence in 1948.

Which Palestinians did that? Were they elected Palestinian officials? Link?

 

[USAF 2023]

The Palestinians informed the UN about its declaration of independence in 1948. I have no idea as to why nothing happened with it.

They weren't.

Another lie. The W Bank was formally considered part of Jordan in either 1950 or 1951. They didn’t have control of E Jerusalem and Egypt didn’t have control of Gaza? The frightening thing is ; you really believe it

 

[USAF 2023]

The Palestinians informed the UN about its declaration of independence in 1948. I have no idea as to why nothing happened with it.

Link, please.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Palestinians informed the UN about its declaration of independence in 1948.

Which Palestinians did that? Were they elected Palestinian officials? Link?

PALESTINE PROGRESS REPORT OF THE UNITED NATIONS
MEDIATOR ON PALESTINE
CABLEGRAM DATED 28 SEPTEMBER 1948 FROM THE PREMIER AND
ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT
TO THE SECRETARY-GENERAL CONCERNING
CONSTITUTION OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT
28 September 1948
I HAVE THE HONOR TO INFORM YOUR EXCELLENCY THAT IN VIRTUE OF THE NATURAL RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE FOR SELF-DETERMINATION WHICH PRINCIPLE IS SUPPORTED BY THE CHARTERS OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS, THE UNITED NATIONS AND OTHERS AND IN VIEW OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER PALESTINE WHICH HAD PREVENTED THE ARABS FROM EXERCISING THEIR INDEPENDENCE, THE ARABS OF PALESTINE WHO ARE THE OWNERS OF THE COUNTRY AND ITS INDIGENOUS INHABITANTS AND WHO CONSTITUTE THE GREAT MAJORITY OF ITS LEGAL POPULATION HAVE SOLEMNLY RESOLVED TO DECLARE PALESTINE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES AS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE AN INDEPENDENT STATE AND CONSTITUTED A GOVERNMENT UNDER THE NAME OF THE ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT DERIVING ITS AUTHORITY FROM A REPRESENTATIVE COUNCIL BASED ON DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLES AND AIMING TO SAFEGUARD THE RIGHTS OF MINORITIES AND FOREIGNERS PROTECT THE HOLY PLACES AND GUARANTEE FREEDOM OF WORSHIP TO ALL COMMUNITIES
AHMED HILMI PASHA
PREMIER AND ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY

 

[USAF 2023]

PALESTINE PROGRESS REPORT OF THE UNITED NATIONS
MEDIATOR ON PALESTINE
CABLEGRAM DATED 28 SEPTEMBER 1948 FROM THE PREMIER AND
ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT
TO THE SECRETARY-GENERAL CONCERNING
CONSTITUTION OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT
28 September 1948
I HAVE THE HONOR TO INFORM YOUR EXCELLENCY THAT IN VIRTUE OF THE NATURAL RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE FOR SELF-DETERMINATION WHICH PRINCIPLE IS SUPPORTED BY THE CHARTERS OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS, THE UNITED NATIONS AND OTHERS AND IN VIEW OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER PALESTINE WHICH HAD PREVENTED THE ARABS FROM EXERCISING THEIR INDEPENDENCE, THE ARABS OF PALESTINE WHO ARE THE OWNERS OF THE COUNTRY AND ITS INDIGENOUS INHABITANTS AND WHO CONSTITUTE THE GREAT MAJORITY OF ITS LEGAL POPULATION HAVE SOLEMNLY RESOLVED TO DECLARE PALESTINE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES AS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE AN INDEPENDENT STATE AND CONSTITUTED A GOVERNMENT UNDER THE NAME OF THE ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT DERIVING ITS AUTHORITY FROM A REPRESENTATIVE COUNCIL BASED ON DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLES AND AIMING TO SAFEGUARD THE RIGHTS OF MINORITIES AND FOREIGNERS PROTECT THE HOLY PLACES AND GUARANTEE FREEDOM OF WORSHIP TO ALL COMMUNITIES
AHMED HILMI PASHA
PREMIER AND ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY

You are actually funny! Please tell us why it was FORMALLY RECOGNIZED that the W Bank and E Jerusalem became part of Jordan and why INTERNATIONAL LAW accepted that Egypt had control of Gaza
You ought to be VERY careful what you post;
Safeguarding the rights of foreigners and minorities, protect the Holy Places and guarantee freedom of worship to ALL communities “ yet the PLO has FORMALLY stated that Jews would not be allowed at the Western Wall , yet you can’t “ understand “ why Israel would give up any rights to worship where they want? Are you THAT delusional or THAT desperate??

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

PALESTINE PROGRESS REPORT OF THE UNITED NATIONS
MEDIATOR ON PALESTINE
CABLEGRAM DATED 28 SEPTEMBER 1948 FROM THE PREMIER AND
ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT
TO THE SECRETARY-GENERAL CONCERNING
CONSTITUTION OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT
28 September 1948
I HAVE THE HONOR TO INFORM YOUR EXCELLENCY THAT IN VIRTUE OF THE NATURAL RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE FOR SELF-DETERMINATION WHICH PRINCIPLE IS SUPPORTED BY THE CHARTERS OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS, THE UNITED NATIONS AND OTHERS AND IN VIEW OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER PALESTINE WHICH HAD PREVENTED THE ARABS FROM EXERCISING THEIR INDEPENDENCE, THE ARABS OF PALESTINE WHO ARE THE OWNERS OF THE COUNTRY AND ITS INDIGENOUS INHABITANTS AND WHO CONSTITUTE THE GREAT MAJORITY OF ITS LEGAL POPULATION HAVE SOLEMNLY RESOLVED TO DECLARE PALESTINE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES AS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE AN INDEPENDENT STATE AND CONSTITUTED A GOVERNMENT UNDER THE NAME OF THE ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT DERIVING ITS AUTHORITY FROM A REPRESENTATIVE COUNCIL BASED ON DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLES AND AIMING TO SAFEGUARD THE RIGHTS OF MINORITIES AND FOREIGNERS PROTECT THE HOLY PLACES AND GUARANTEE FREEDOM OF WORSHIP TO ALL COMMUNITIES
AHMED HILMI PASHA
PREMIER AND ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY

Hilarious!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The Palestinians informed the UN about its declaration of independence in 1948. I have no idea as to why nothing happened with it.

They weren't.

The Palestinians informed the UN about its declaration of independence in 1948. I have no idea as to why nothing happened with it.

Because there was a war happening.