Who are the Israelis?

[P F Tinmore]

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who are the Israelis?
SUBTOPIC: The Imagination
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

"Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen."​

..................................................................................................................................~ Winston Churchill​

ob•fus•cate /'abfa.skat/ v. (fr.| render obscure, unclear, or unintelligible: the spelling changes will deform some familiar words and obfuscate their etymological origins. bewilder (someone): it is more likely to obfuscate people than enlighten them. —ob*fus*ca*tion /.abfa'skasHan/ n. —ob•fus•ca•to-ry /ab'faska.tore/ adj.
Concise Oxford American Dictionary, Copyright © 2006 by Oxford University Press, Inc. 198 Madison Avenue, New York, New York, 10016 pg 609

You are obfuscating.

(COMMENT)

There is nothing obscure, unclear, or unintelligible about the answer I gave. There is no attempt to mislead the reader. The response was, apparently, not the answer you wanted. Each element of the response was self-explanatory. But where I thought the element might need a further explanation, a short parenthetical description was provided.

Your attempt to derail the line of thought is pitiful (neither sound nor valid). I recommend you go back and reread it. If you want to challenge the response, please don't hesitate which part of the answer needs further amplification.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who are the Israelis?
SUBTOPIC: The Imagination
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

"Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen."​

..................................................................................................................................~ Winston Churchill​

ob•fus•cate /'abfa.skat/ v. (fr.| render obscure, unclear, or unintelligible: the spelling changes will deform some familiar words and obfuscate their etymological origins. bewilder (someone): it is more likely to obfuscate people than enlighten them. —ob*fus*ca*tion /.abfa'skasHan/ n. —ob•fus•ca•to-ry /ab'faska.tore/ adj.
Concise Oxford American Dictionary, Copyright © 2006 by Oxford University Press, Inc. 198 Madison Avenue, New York, New York, 10016 pg 609


(COMMENT)

There is nothing obscure, unclear, or unintelligible about the answer I gave. There is no attempt to mislead the reader. The response was, apparently, not the answer you wanted. Each element of the response was self-explanatory. But where I thought the element might need a further explanation, a short parenthetical description was provided.

Your attempt to derail the line of thought is pitiful (neither sound nor valid). I recommend you go back and reread it. If you want to challenge the response, please don't hesitate which part of the answer needs further amplification.

Most Respectfully,
R

However, most commentators have identified five methods by which territory can be acquired under international law: cession; conquest; subjugation; accretion; occupation; and prescription, acquisitive.

So, which method did Israel use?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who are the Israelis?
SUBTOPIC: The Imagination
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

As I said, you need to reread the comment. And don't be so parochial.

However, most commentators have identified five methods by which territory can be acquired under international law: cession; conquest; subjugation; accretion; occupation; and prescription, acquisitive.

So, which method did Israel use?

(COMMENT)

Israel grew in stages. It used a number of different methods; not unlike the Hashemite Kingdom when it first occupied --- and then annexed.

The acquisition of territory is a political issue and not strictly a legal issue. The stronger the regional influence a political entity has, the more options they have.

You have to look at the reality within any given theater or region. In the case of Israel, the Arab Palestinians can shout "illegal" and "theft" all they want and as loud as they want. And you can look back over the last century and observe what successes the Palestinians have had.

One of the parables for which Albert Einstein is accredited can be the mantra for the Arab Palestinians:

“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over
and
expecting different results.”​

The Arab Palestinians rejected the offer the British made to participate in the governance of the territory under the Mandate. And then Palestinians accepted the sovereignty being taken by the Egyptians (Gaza Strip) and the Jordanians (West Bank). Since the inception of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), approximately 57 years ago, the potential for territorial sovereignty over any part of the regional area from about nearly half - down to Area "A." Anyone with the least bit of common sense can see that the political deterioration is due largely to the poor Arab Palestinian leadership.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who are the Israelis?
SUBTOPIC: The Imagination
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

As I said, you need to reread the comment. And don't be so parochial.

(COMMENT)

Israel grew in stages. It used a number of different methods; not unlike the Hashemite Kingdom when it first occupied --- and then annexed.

The acquisition of territory is a political issue and not strictly a legal issue. The stronger the regional influence a political entity has, the more options they have.

You have to look at the reality within any given theater or region. In the case of Israel, the Arab Palestinians can shout "illegal" and "theft" all they want and as loud as they want. And you can look back over the last century and observe what successes the Palestinians have had.

One of the parables for which Albert Einstein is accredited can be the mantra for the Arab Palestinians:

“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over
and
expecting different results.”​

The Arab Palestinians rejected the offer the British made to participate in the governance of the territory under the Mandate. And then Palestinians accepted the sovereignty being taken by the Egyptians (Gaza Strip) and the Jordanians (West Bank). Since the inception of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), approximately 57 years ago, the potential for territorial sovereignty over any part of the regional area from about nearly half - down to Area "A." Anyone with the least bit of common sense can see that the political deterioration is due largely to the poor Arab Palestinian leadership.

Most Respectfully,
R

Article 4​

States are juridically equal, enjoy the same rights, and have equal capacity in their exercise. The rights of each one does not depend upon the power which it possesses to assure its exercise, but upon the simple fact of its existence as a person under international law.

The UN states: " 3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;

There is no wiggle room here. States are inviolable. Outside interference is not allowed.

 

[rosends]

Article 4​

States are juridically equal, enjoy the same rights, and have equal capacity in their exercise. The rights of each one does not depend upon the power which it possesses to assure its exercise, but upon the simple fact of its existence as a person under international law.

The UN states: " 3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;

There is no wiggle room here. States are inviolable. Outside interference is not allowed.

So the Arabs shouldn't interfering with the existence of Israel, right?

 

[P F Tinmore]

So the Arabs shouldn't interfering with the existence of Israel, right?

Palestine has never crossed a border into another country.

 

[rosends]

Palestine has never crossed a border into another country.

now that's obfuscation. I didn't mention Palestine. I said "Arabs." You should agree with that statement.

 

[P F Tinmore]

now that's obfuscation. I didn't mention Palestine. I said "Arabs." You should agree with that statement.

Which Arabs?

 

[rylah]

Which Arabs?

The Egyptian and Saudi subjects of Hamas?

Those who can't pronounce 'P - alestine',
without learning another language...

 

[rylah]

And what nation is entitled to Palestine, from its very founding?

A picture of armed civil guards means they're military targets,
or that regardless of arms, any Israeli should be fair game?

@P F Tinmore you keep evading these questions.

 

[rosends]

Which Arabs?

Um, any. Unless you are going against your quote and claiming that some are allowed to.

 

[rylah]

The Palestinian people have the right to sovereignty inside their defined territory. They have the right to defend themselves by all means necessary including armed struggle.

A state or a government is not necessary as it is the people who hold sovereignty.

The sovereignty of the people is a collective principle,
that is vested with an elected national govt.

Meaning, to exercise sovereignty,
a nation requires a state,
and a functional govt.

Now explain, what is "self-defense" about
randomly shooting rockets at all directions,
and going into restaurants to murder people?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who are the Israelis?
SUBTOPIC: Understanding the Meaning of Palestine.
※→ resend, P F Tinmore, et al,

(OPENING)

Our friend "P F Tinmore" is trying to use the Mandate Palestine as defined by the British and which the Arab Palestinians rejected all offers to participate in the governance.

Palestine Order in Council - Preamble
"WHEREAS the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them;"

now that's obfuscation. I didn't mention Palestine. I said "Arabs." You should agree with that statement.

There is no wiggle room here. States are inviolable. Outside interference is not allowed.

(COMMENT)

The British, through the Palestine Order in Council (10 Aug 1922) phrased it like this in Part I, Paragraph 1:

• The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine.

The Palestine that "Tinmore" speaks of is (loosely described as) the territory "from the river to the sea." They, including Tinmore, cannot claim today (2023) what they rejected more than once in 1923. Tinmore is trying to rewrite history. This nonsense that the Hostile Arab Palestinians never crossed into the sovereign territory of Israel is bogus.

Later in 1923, a third attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into
cooperation with the government. The mandatory Power now proposed “the establishment of an Arab Agency in Palestine which will occupy a position exactly analogous to that accorded to the Jewish Agency”. The Arab Agency would have the right to be consulted on all matters relating to immigration, on which it was recognised that “the views of the Arab community were entitled to special consideration”. The Arab leaders declined that this offer on the ground that it would not satisfy the aspirations of the Arab people. They added that, never having recognised the status of the Jewish Agency, they had no desire for the establishment of an Arab Agency on the same basis.

“The British Government desired to establish a self-government in Palestine, but to proceed in this direction by stages…. It had been announced that the nominated Advisory Council was to be the first stage. The second stage would have been a Legislative Council without an Arab majority. If this worked satisfactorily, the third stage, after a lapse of perhaps same years, would have been a constitution on more democratic lines.”​

In practice it proved impossible even to initiate this policy of gradual constitutional development. From 1922 until the present day, the High
Commissioner has governed Palestine with the aid of Councils consisting exclusively of British officials.
SOURCE: A/AC.14/8 of 2 October 1947 History of British Administration

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[rylah]

Does Afghanistan Have Secret Jews?​

Pashtuns are one of the largest ethnic groups in Afghanistan & Pakistan, and were all converted to Islam in the past 1,400 years ago. So, who were they before their identity went underground?

Although today, most Pashtuns are fully practicing Muslims, many still hold onto their roots & origins, and some even still practice Judaism in hiding. Pashtuns are believed to be descendants of the 10 "Lost Tribes" of Israel, and most of the recognized Jewish community has no idea.

This video was made to raise awareness of the origins of the Pashtuns and to spark the conversation in order to find proper ways of reuniting the separated ancient Israelite family.

 

[rylah]

Paer Tasi - Aharey HaNezah (After Eternity)

 

[rylah]

Shai Tsabari - Cochavim BaShamayim (Stars In Heavens)

 

[rylah]

Debate : should Jewish people be considered White ?​

IMO the good thing, about the attempt to frame Jews in by shades of color
is that the region of Levant, with its history of ancient civilizations,
especially shutters all these racist stereotypes.

 

[rylah]

Tel Aviv. From Jaffa Flea Market to Carmel Market​

 

[rylah]

A look at Bnei Menasheh - India's ancient Jewish community​