Debate Now Who are the serious debaters on this forum?

[Leo123]

So much character right there

Dante is dreaming of his father.

 

[jc456]

Even when I was an Israel, Right or Wrong supporter, I never dared deny that although that type of killing was never official government policy, some Israelis and especially some Settlers engage in such behavior.

Jews are not better or worse than other human beings.

Never heard of concentration camps, right?

 

[jc456]

People like Trump hate America. Which is provable by having 4 generations on the male line that never ever saw fit to defend America from her enemies.

How does supporting global policy help Americans? Like giving billions to Ukraine?

 

[otto105]

You're certainly not serious....You post indigestible text bricks with numerous different points on them, then demand that your voluminous load of prose be parsed out on a point-by-point basis.

Then, like the haughty headmaster wannabe that you are, you demand that everyone adhere to your rules.

Well, take you tl;dr bullshit and stuff it where the sun don't shine...Your effete snobbery deserves all the ridicule heaped upon it that it gets.

Posts a troll on loan from discord.

 

[otto105]

How does supporting global policy help Americans? Like giving billions to Ukraine?

Well, how would isolationism work?

Did work for China?

Maybe we should return to being a backwards ass nation that we were in the 1890’s

 

[westwall]

People like Trump hate America. Which is provable by having 4 generations on the male line that never ever saw fit to defend America from her enemies.

Yet here you and your fellow travelers all state publicly that you don't support an America First agenda. So, that AUTOMATICALLY makes you a traitor. Go to whichever country you prefer and leave THIS country alone.

You are not wanted.

 

[otto105]

Yet here you and your fellow travelers all state publicly that you don't support an America First agenda. So, that AUTOMATICALLY makes you a traitor. Go to whichever country you prefer and leave THIS country alone.

You are not wanted.

Fuckups still hanging the love it until it doesn’t suit them banner.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

A number of persons on this forum do not understand how to frame an argument.

But, some of you do.

the non serious ones make wild claims, vacuous claims without substantiating them.

When asked to substantiate, I often get a snarky 'you do it'. No, the onus is always on the the ones making claims to substantiate their claims. You cannot ask others to do your work for you. That never has been the etiquette in any forum I've ever heard of and I've been on many going back to the 90s, the days of Usenet.

I will always substantiate my claim, if it exists. If it doesn't, I'll be happy to say 'it's just my opinion'. Opinions are okay, just make sure you make it clear that that is what they are. If you are making a claim of fact, then substantiate it to the best you can, and offer a path of reasoning for it, to the best that you can. See, to substantiate could just mean to supplement yuor claim, though proving it would be even better, but at least supplement it with something, or at the very minimum, a well reasoned path of logic and naming some well known examples, that would be okay.

But a wild claim, short sentence, 'Biden family are criminals' without evidence, that's not an argument. To say, 'it's in the news', that's not substantiation. A link would suffice. We could then debate the link, sure, but at least provide something, and the more, the merrier. It's called 'moving the debate forward'. Comments that do not move the debate forward are non arguments. Arguments and counter arguments move the debate forward. It's not complicated.

the non serious engage in ad hominems. The attack the source or the messenger and not the message. (yes, I've done this myself, but I would love to argue on a forum that doesn't allow it).

They who do not know how to debate do not engage in a real argument, they riddle their comments with rant words, weasel words, words of emotion and sentiment, engage in petty name calling, and wild claims without substance to them, and do not understand what a real argument is, and they do not understand the difference between an opinion and an argument, the difference between a non argument and a real argument.

For example:

Conservatives are morons. Liberals are idiots.

No, those are not arguments. Those are rants, they are sentiments, weasel words, ad homs, non arguments. Got it?

But, if I wrote: AOC's 'new deal' has issues, which are as follows (list them ) which is supported by (link to authoritative sources which supplement the argument [which, by the way, is not a violation of the 'appeals to authority' logical fallacy, because it's supplementation, not reliance upon] ).

That would be an argument. No snarky quips, no hate-AOC remarks, etc. Real arguments aren't supposed to be impressive by clever word use designed to get likes, they are supposed to be persuasive.

Who are the members of USMB who know how to debate?

Please tell me who you are and you will be the ones invited to future OPs by me on this forum. I don't care if you are right or left or something else. It's not about whether your are right or wrong, that is why we are here, to debate what is right and wrong, but some of you are disingenuous and are here only to get likes from your friends. Some of your I simply cannot take seriously. And, of course, those of you I can't take seriously will typically shoot that same claim back at me, which is, in fact, a cop out.

Who are the serious debaters? Let me know, please. PM me, if you prefer.

Please understand, I do not claim to be the god's gift to debate forums, it's not about how well we argue, I am probably even guilty of some of the sins I eschew, (but I strive, at least, not to, but, at times, it feels like I have to, with some of you) it's about how to at least adhere to a form that allows for constructive debate, and that is what I'm after.

And, another thing, we are anonymous here. All that matters is the argument, not who we are. Some are from foreign countries, it doesn't matter, all that matters is the text in the argument. Nothing more, nothing less. I'm from Texas, in case you are wondering.

Let me know, thank you.

Rumpole.

And you do I suppose??

 

[iamwhatiseem]

And just sayin - this shouldn't be in a formal debate.

 

[koshergrl]

note to moderators: The 'clean debate zone' isn't clean on account of no imagination on what is required to keep it clean. But I understand that nobody really cares very much about keeping it clean, and providing a refuge for those few who desire clean debate. Can that be changed?

Would it be possible to even keep this thread clean for a start?

When you put ideologues who have no concept of the form of debate ..and no desire to learn...in charge of the forums that's what you get.
It's why this site operates like a fifth grade classroom.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

When you put ideologues who have no concept of the form of debate..and no desire to learn...that's what you get.
It's why this site operates like a fifth grade classroom.

100%
A fifth grade classroom with a teacher who gave up trying.

 

[otto105]

When you put ideologues who have no concept of the form of debate ..and no desire to learn...in charge of the forums that's what you get.
It's why this site operates like a fifth grade classroom.

You should hold up a mirror in front of yourself and ask can I be better.

 

[koshergrl]

You should hold up a mirror in front of yourself and ask can I be better.

You are a perfect example of the lack of skill we're talking about.

 

[otto105]

You are a perfect example of the lack of skill we're talking about.

How so?

I have dumbed it down for you and your simple toggle switch christian responses.

 

[koshergrl]

How so?

I have dumbed it down for you and your simple toggle switch christian responses.

You aren't dumbing anything down.. you're just dumb. There's a difference. I have no doubt this is the best you've got.

 

[otto105]

You aren't dumbing anything down.. you're just dumb. There's a difference. I have no doubt this is the best you've got.

I’m dumbing everything down for you kosherchick.

That is your level,

 

[otto105]

Kosherchic


Is this picture real.

 

[koshergrl]

I’m dumbing everything down for you kosherchick.

That is your level,

Naw, you're just an imbecile. Smart ppl don't dumb things down because they are capable of making an intelligent argument that is supported and clear to everyone.
You can't do that. There is no reasonable argument for the exploitation/coercion of pregnant women and the butchery of dependent humans.

 

[otto105]

Naw, you're just an imbecile. Smart ppl don't dumb things down because they are capable of making an intelligent argument that is supported and clear to everyone.
You can't do that. There is no reasonable argument for the exploitation/coercion of pregnant women and the butchery of dependent humans.

Girl, I’m trying to have a discussion with you. A god fearing christian who doesn’t question anything anymore.

You offer canned responses and think that you’re influencing something.

Come on, give this board better.

 

[koshergrl]

Girl, I’m trying to have a discussion with you. A god fearing christian who doesn’t question anything anymore.

You offer canned responses and think that you’re influencing something.

Come on, give this board better.

No you aren't. I offer the only response that is needed or called for when ppl try to coerce victimized women into killing their offspring

Girl, I’m trying to have a discussion with you. A god fearing christian who doesn’t question anything anymore.

You offer canned responses and think that you’re influencing something.

Come on, give this board better.

You aren't trying to have a discussion. You're trying to silence me by insulting me, gaslighting me and posting bigoted nonsense and unrelated political clips and pictures meant to divert attention from the fact that elective abortion is a human rights violation.

There is no right to kill dependent humans. You can't get around that, and I don't need any additional argument. You are anti human rights but like all who are, you lie and bully and throw up hysterical rhetoric to justify it.