Zone1 Who Benefits from the Suppression of Racial information on Crime?

[Markle]

Yes, black males commit a disproportionate number of crimes. The welfare system enables the ghetto mentality, and it is fully supported by Republicans.

Share with us specifically how Republicans are supporting the welfare state, cashless bail, etc, etc.

Winsome Sears
Condi Rice
Candi Owens
Colin Powell
Thomas Sowell
Alan Keyes
Ben Carson, M.D.
The late Herman Cain
Louis Farakhan
Larry Elder
JC Watts

You're 100%l correct with the possible exception of racist, bigot Calypso Louie. The rest are labeled as trying to be white and far, far, worse by black Democrats.

I would describe him a product of the welfare state. My physical discription would be "asshole showing his ass." Pressed for more details, I would say shirtless, white boxes, pants below his ass, black dude.

I suppose you would say "black male" and assume that covers the rest?

Yeah, sure you would. "A**hole showing his ass would be really helpful, right after he pulls them up. The real world escapes you. That's sad and of no help whatsoever to the black community.

 

[Markle]

Republicans support corporate welfare.

 

[IM2]

Why in the hell do white people like you try this ----?

I was black in the 1960's, understand?

There was this thing called the CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT. This means that whatever point you're trying to make is not based in reality.

So let me drop your whiteness some facts.
In 1959, poverty for blacks was 55.1 percent. For whites, it was 18.1. Black poverty was 3.04 times that of whites. In 2020 we heard all the bragging from President number 45 and people like you about all the great things he did for black people. When he left office, poverty for Blacks was 19.3 percent. For Whites, it was 8.2 percent. Despite the claims of President number 45, Black poverty was two times that of whites. Since 1959 no matter how low or high poverty has been, blacks have continued living at double the white and overall American poverty rate.

In 1972, the American household median income was $9,697 per year. The median income for non-Hispanic white households was $10,318 per year; for Black households, it was $5,938. Black household median income was 58 percent of white households.

In 2020, the American household median income was $67,521 per year. The median income for non-Hispanic White households was $74.912; for Blacks households, $45,870. Black household median income was sixty-one percent of white households in 2020. At no time from 1972 through 2020 did whites and blacks come close to having equal income. It has not mattered whether America was practicing segregation. It has not mattered that blacks have become better educated. It has not mattered if black households were traditional two parent, two cars, a dog, two children having, good church-going members of American society.

Blacks have NEVER had more that 2 percent of the nations wealth since America began.

In the 1960's there was the document called the Kerner Report that ssid this:

“What white Americans have never fully understood but what the Negro can never forget--is that white society is deeply implicated in the ghetto. White institutions created it, white institutions maintain it, and white society condones it. It is time now to turn with all the purpose at our command to the major unfinished business of this nation. It is time to adopt strategies for action that will produce quick and visible progress. It is time to make good the promises of American democracy to all citizens-urban and rural, white and black, Spanish-surname, American Indian, and every minority group.”

So apparently what you believe is bs.

Richard Rothstein of the Economic Policy Institute wrote an op-ed published in the February 28, 2018 edition of the New York Daily News titled, “50 years after the Kerner Commission, minimal racial progress.” After studying the Kerner Report, Rothstein stated: “So little has changed since 1968 that the report remains worth reading as a near-contemporary description of racial inequality.”

So again, what we see is that you're full of crap.

There are over 2 million black businesses today. Thats far more than the 40,000 black owned businesses during the so-called golden age of black business.

So once again, you have shown that you're running your mouth without facts.

And let me post this again, because all you do is repeat dumb debunked racist memes and stereotypes.

“In 1965, Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan’s report, The Negro Family: The Case for National Action, attributed racial inequality as well as poverty and crime in the black community to family structure, particularly the prevalence of families headed by single mothers. Not only did research at the time cast doubt on this causality, but evidence over the last the 50 years demonstrates that rates of child poverty, educational attainment, and crime do not track rates of single parenthood. Thus, even though the share of children living with a single mother rose for all racial and ethnic groups through the mid-1990s and has remained high since then, school completion and youth arrests for violent crimes have declined significantly, while poverty rates have fluctuated according to economic conditions. Family structure does not drive racial inequity, and racial inequity persists regardless of family structure.”

“The median white single parent has 2.2 times more wealth than the median black two-parent household and 1.9 times more wealth than the median Latino two-parent household.”
-Amy Traub, Laura Sullivan, Tatjana Meschede and Thomas Shapiro, DEMOS, “The Asset Value of Whiteness: Understanding the Racial Wealth Gap.

Concern yourself with ending the racism in the white community that has you posting foolish factless memes and thinking you are actually asking a valid question.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Historically US crime figures are untrustworthy. Too many black kids locked up for something they didnt do.

Not enough blacks being locked up for what they do

 

[Markle]

Why in the hell do white people like you try this ----?

I was black in the 1960's, understand?

There was this thing called the CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT. This means that whatever point you're trying to make is not based in reality.

So let me drop your whiteness some facts.
In 1959, poverty for blacks was 55.1 percent. For whites, it was 18.1. Black poverty was 3.04 times that of whites. In 2020 we heard all the bragging from President number 45 and people like you about all the great things he did for black people. When he left office, poverty for Blacks was 19.3 percent. For Whites, it was 8.2 percent. Despite the claims of President number 45, Black poverty was two times that of whites. Since 1959 no matter how low or high poverty has been, blacks have continued living at double the white and overall American poverty rate.

In 1972, the American household median income was $9,697 per year. The median income for non-Hispanic white households was $10,318 per year; for Black households, it was $5,938. Black household median income was 58 percent of white households.

In 2020, the American household median income was $67,521 per year. The median income for non-Hispanic White households was $74.912; for Blacks households, $45,870. Black household median income was sixty-one percent of white households in 2020. At no time from 1972 through 2020 did whites and blacks come close to having equal income. It has not mattered whether America was practicing segregation. It has not mattered that blacks have become better educated. It has not mattered if black households were traditional two parent, two cars, a dog, two children having, good church-going members of American society.

Blacks have NEVER had more that 2 percent of the nations wealth since America began.

In the 1960's there was the document called the Kerner Report that ssid this:

“What white Americans have never fully understood but what the Negro can never forget--is that white society is deeply implicated in the ghetto. White institutions created it, white institutions maintain it, and white society condones it. It is time now to turn with all the purpose at our command to the major unfinished business of this nation. It is time to adopt strategies for action that will produce quick and visible progress. It is time to make good the promises of American democracy to all citizens-urban and rural, white and black, Spanish-surname, American Indian, and every minority group.”

So apparently what you believe is bs.

Richard Rothstein of the Economic Policy Institute wrote an op-ed published in the February 28, 2018 edition of the New York Daily News titled, “50 years after the Kerner Commission, minimal racial progress.” After studying the Kerner Report, Rothstein stated: “So little has changed since 1968 that the report remains worth reading as a near-contemporary description of racial inequality.”

So again, what we see is that you're full of crap.

There are over 2 million black businesses today. Thats far more than the 40,000 black owned businesses during the so-called golden age of black business.

So once again, you have shown that you're running your mouth without facts.

And let me post this again, because all you do is repeat dumb debunked racist memes and stereotypes.

“In 1965, Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan’s report, The Negro Family: The Case for National Action, attributed racial inequality as well as poverty and crime in the black community to family structure, particularly the prevalence of families headed by single mothers. Not only did research at the time cast doubt on this causality, but evidence over the last the 50 years demonstrates that rates of child poverty, educational attainment, and crime do not track rates of single parenthood. Thus, even though the share of children living with a single mother rose for all racial and ethnic groups through the mid-1990s and has remained high since then, school completion and youth arrests for violent crimes have declined significantly, while poverty rates have fluctuated according to economic conditions. Family structure does not drive racial inequity, and racial inequity persists regardless of family structure.”

“The median white single parent has 2.2 times more wealth than the median black two-parent household and 1.9 times more wealth than the median Latino two-parent household.”
-Amy Traub, Laura Sullivan, Tatjana Meschede and Thomas Shapiro, DEMOS, “The Asset Value of Whiteness: Understanding the Racial Wealth Gap.

Concern yourself with ending the racism in the white community that has you posting foolish factless memes and thinking you are actually asking a valid question.

According to what you posted when you started here, you are white. Frankly, I don't care.

Then you post a lot of figures but strangely not one reliable source and working link.

Now scoot, come back when you want to discuss remedies instead of being the forum's chief troll.

 

[Markle]

Why in the hell do white people like you try this ----?

I was black in the 1960's, understand?

There was this thing called the CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT. This means that whatever point you're trying to make is not based in reality.

So let me drop your whiteness some facts.
In 1959, poverty for blacks was 55.1 percent. For whites, it was 18.1. Black poverty was 3.04 times that of whites. In 2020 we heard all the bragging from President number 45 and people like you about all the great things he did for black people. When he left office, poverty for Blacks was 19.3 percent. For Whites, it was 8.2 percent. Despite the claims of President number 45, Black poverty was two times that of whites. Since 1959 no matter how low or high poverty has been, blacks have continued living at double the white and overall American poverty rate.

In 1972, the American household median income was $9,697 per year. The median income for non-Hispanic white households was $10,318 per year; for Black households, it was $5,938. Black household median income was 58 percent of white households.

In 2020, the American household median income was $67,521 per year. The median income for non-Hispanic White households was $74.912; for Blacks households, $45,870. Black household median income was sixty-one percent of white households in 2020. At no time from 1972 through 2020 did whites and blacks come close to having equal income. It has not mattered whether America was practicing segregation. It has not mattered that blacks have become better educated. It has not mattered if black households were traditional two parent, two cars, a dog, two children having, good church-going members of American society.

Blacks have NEVER had more that 2 percent of the nations wealth since America began.

In the 1960's there was the document called the Kerner Report that ssid this:

“What white Americans have never fully understood but what the Negro can never forget--is that white society is deeply implicated in the ghetto. White institutions created it, white institutions maintain it, and white society condones it. It is time now to turn with all the purpose at our command to the major unfinished business of this nation. It is time to adopt strategies for action that will produce quick and visible progress. It is time to make good the promises of American democracy to all citizens-urban and rural, white and black, Spanish-surname, American Indian, and every minority group.”

So apparently what you believe is bs.

Richard Rothstein of the Economic Policy Institute wrote an op-ed published in the February 28, 2018 edition of the New York Daily News titled, “50 years after the Kerner Commission, minimal racial progress.” After studying the Kerner Report, Rothstein stated: “So little has changed since 1968 that the report remains worth reading as a near-contemporary description of racial inequality.”

So again, what we see is that you're full of crap.

There are over 2 million black businesses today. Thats far more than the 40,000 black owned businesses during the so-called golden age of black business.

So once again, you have shown that you're running your mouth without facts.

And let me post this again, because all you do is repeat dumb debunked racist memes and stereotypes.

“In 1965, Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan’s report, The Negro Family: The Case for National Action, attributed racial inequality as well as poverty and crime in the black community to family structure, particularly the prevalence of families headed by single mothers. Not only did research at the time cast doubt on this causality, but evidence over the last the 50 years demonstrates that rates of child poverty, educational attainment, and crime do not track rates of single parenthood. Thus, even though the share of children living with a single mother rose for all racial and ethnic groups through the mid-1990s and has remained high since then, school completion and youth arrests for violent crimes have declined significantly, while poverty rates have fluctuated according to economic conditions. Family structure does not drive racial inequity, and racial inequity persists regardless of family structure.”

“The median white single parent has 2.2 times more wealth than the median black two-parent household and 1.9 times more wealth than the median Latino two-parent household.”
-Amy Traub, Laura Sullivan, Tatjana Meschede and Thomas Shapiro, DEMOS, “The Asset Value of Whiteness: Understanding the Racial Wealth Gap.

Concern yourself with ending the racism in the white community that has you posting foolish factless memes and thinking you are actually asking a valid question.

Come on now, dazzle us with your brilliance and simply prove that what I posted is grossly untrue. Can you do that?

 

[Coyote]

Nobody said that, but crime is much worse in black areas because blacks commit such a disproportionate amount of violent crime. One’s odd of becoming a victim is much higher in a black neighborhood than a white one, and this should not have to be suppressed.

Crime is much worse in urban poor areas not because blacks commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime but because a disproportionate number of blacks live in poor urban areas. Why do you folks suppress that?

The high Black crime rate is one of the biggest drivers of racist attitudes. If blacks could lower their crime rates to that closer to whites, racism would go down.

Racist attitudes are what drive the magnification of and obsession with black crime rates to the exclusion of all other factors.

 

[Concerned American]

Crime is much worse in urban poor areas not because blacks commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime but because a disproportionate number of blacks live in poor urban areas.

Did you really pay attention when you wrote this? You are not talking about victims. The crime statistics are highlighting black perpetrators-- not victims--although you are correct that there are a disproportionate number of black victims due to the fact that they live in poor urban areas where a greater number of black criminals also live.

 

[Coyote]

Did you really pay attention when you wrote this? You are not talking about victims.

I’m not talking about victims.

The crime statistics are highlighting black perpetrators-- not victims--although you are correct that there are a disproportionate number of black victims due to the fact that they live in poor urban areas where a greater number of black criminals also live.

Which is a round about way of saying what I already said. What drives crime is not race but other factors and this hyper focus on on,y race ignores that.

 

[Concerned American]

I’m not talking about victims.


Which is a round about way of saying what I already said. What drives crime is not race but other factors and this hyper focus on on,y race ignores that.

Not focusing on race--the focus is on violent crime. One of the glaring facts is there is a disproportionate number of black criminals in the narrative. To ignore those facts is sweeping them under the rug.

 

[Lisa558]

Crime is much worse in urban poor areas not because blacks commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime but because a disproportionate number of blacks live in poor urban areas. Why do you folks suppress that?

And why do you folks downplay the role that having babies OOW - a shameful 72% rate among blacks - is correlated to poverty, and that in turn leads to crime?

Racist attitudes are what drive the magnification of and obsession with black crime rates to the exclusion of all other factors.

Nope. Calling people racist for pointing out that 13% of the population commits half of all violent crime is trying to hide the fact that the astronomical OOW birthrate among blacks - which they could cut in half by using birth control consistently - is creating problems for themselves.

 

[Coyote]

And why do you folks downplay the role that having babies OOW - a shameful 72% rate among blacks - is correlated to poverty, and that in turn leads to crime?

Why do you focus on race over poverty, drugs, crappy schools and lack of infrastructure which can influence crime. It’s always race race race. You make a big point about neighborhoods becoming more dangerous when more blacks move in, yet there are affluent and middle class black majority neighborhoods in your city with crime rates no different than similar white neighborhoods.

Nope. Calling people racist for pointing out that 13% of the population commits half of all violent crime is trying to hide the fact that the astronomical OOW birthrate among blacks - which they could cut in half by using birth control consistently - is creating problems for themselves.

When people consistently point out race as a primary factor (like the OP) excluding other more relevant factors, then it does sound racist.

 

[Coyote]

Not focusing on race--the focus is on violent crime. One of the glaring facts is there is a disproportionate number of black criminals in the narrative. To ignore those facts is sweeping them under the rug.

The focus of the OP is race and violent crime. Why do you ignoreother crime factors and focus only on race?

 

[Markle]

Crime is much worse in urban poor areas not because blacks commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime but because a disproportionate number of blacks live in poor urban areas. Why do you folks suppress that?

How is this not a disproportionate amount of violent crime, say murders?

 

[Lisa558]

Why do you focus on race over poverty, drugs, crappy schools and lack of infrastructure which can influence crime. It’s always race race race. You make a big point about neighborhoods becoming more dangerous when more blacks move in, yet there are affluent and middle class black majority neighborhoods in your city with crime rates no different than similar white neighborhoods.

Yup, and the areas with affluent and middle class majority are those those by and large did NOT have most babies out of wedlock.

Blacks and leftists like you blame racism for black failure. YOU are the one focused on race. Always implying people are racists simply for pointing out that the root of poor black areas is high OOW birthrates - not racism. That leads to all the other problems, from poverty to crime to cruddy schools.

 

[Lisa558]

The focus of the OP is race and violent crime. Why do you ignoreother crime factors and focus only on race?

Because the violent crime is substantially more prevalent in one small minority of 13%. We are discussing the reasons, and it’s not racism. It’s irresponsible behavior regarding birth control, and a culture that is very accepting of having illegitimate children as the norm.

 

[Coyote]

Yup, and the areas with affluent and middle class majority are those those by and large did NOT have most babies out of wedlock.

What came first, the chicken or the egg? Single parenting can increase poverty and poverty can increase rates of single parents.

Blacks and leftists like you blame racism for black failure.

How many black crime rate threads have we had? What is their focus? Race. None talk about the many other factors that go into crime rates, ONLY race. That isn’t blacks and leftists.

YOU are the one focused on race.

I didn’t start this thread.

Always implying people are racists simply for pointing out that the root of poor black areas is high OOW birthrates - not racism.

You only pointed it out when pressured as to why you only focused on race, not any of the factors driving crime rates such as poverty.

That leads to all the other problems, from poverty to crime to cruddy schools.

Not really. There are a lot of other relevant factors then simply blaming single parents for those.

 

[Concerned American]

The focus of the OP is race and violent crime. Why do you ignoreother crime factors and focus only on race?

Why do you ignore it? I am just offering the observation that is substantiated by facts. There are also areas of white poverty and they also have a disproportionate crime rates, however, it is not as pronounced as the areas the OP is suggesting.

 

[Man of Ethics]

In Russia 1980s, violent crime rate was low. During the crisis of 1990s, violent crime rate was very high. Now, when economy has long stabilized, violent crime rate is low.


Thank G-d, we left before 1990s.

 

[Coyote]

Because the violent crime is substantially more prevalent in one small minority of 13%. We are discussing the reasons, and it’s not racism. It’s irresponsible behavior regarding birth control, and a culture that is very accepting of having illegitimate children as the norm.

So far the only reason discussed is…well, they’re black.

This particular problem, as I stated clearly, is limited to one demographic. I didn't say "whites" don't commit crimes; it would be absurd to say such a thing,

As for Black people (and especially yoots) going to jail for stuff they didn't do, that is statistical nonsense. It happens, regrettably, but it is extremely rare. The Leftist Media like to showcase the occasional incidence of a wrongly convicted Black, but you are talking about a tiny percentage of a small percentage. Don't forget, 95% of convictions are the result of GUILTY PLEAS. When you plead guilty the judge asks you in six different ways whether you did it, and unless you answer in the affirmative it goes back to the drawing board.

So the "innocent" population is jail is a percentage of the other 5%. And the liars must be excluded as must the people who were innocent of the specific crime that they were convicted of, but factually guilty of scores of other crimes that the police never cleared.

That isn’t as clear cut as you make it sound. Black youths are much more likely to be told to to take a plea deal than white offenders of comparable crimes. They are told they will get out of jail quicker because if they don’t take a plea and they can’t afford bail, they stay in jail until trial.