Who here "thinks" that China will blink first in the trade wars?

[Dschrute3]

Trump will get a better deal for Americans. And that's what it's all about. The Globalists threw American Workers overboard years ago. I truly believe Trump will work out a better deal for them.

OH BULLSHIT!

China holds 4.8% of the US debt. That's over $1 Trillion in US Treasury bonds they own with a promise to redeem on demand. All China has to do is threaten to cash in half of them and the US economy would go in the toilet along with our credit rating globally.

China holds the top hand and they could squash the Clown with ease IF they desired. China is in the process of raising it 11th Dynasty in world history and that fucking Orange Idiot will get run over by the Chinese juggernaut if he tries his stupid, supercilious bluff game the entire informed Universe is on to!!

Trump's trying. The Globalists have decimated American Workers. He's trying to get better deals. I wish him the best of luck.

 

[jillian]

Trump already rubbed Chinese noses in soybeans. Our soybean farmers will make more than ever.

good luck with his "base" when china tells them to go screw themselves. deluded, trumptard.

 

[S.J.]

This thread clearly illustrates that the left hates Trump so much, they're rooting for China. Nothing would make them happier than to see American farmers suffer in the hopes it will damage Trump politically. Could they be any less patriotic?

 

[nat4900]

With the TPP, China has cornered the Pacific rim markets (including Japan and Australia).....Further, China has massively expanded its exporting of goods to European and African markets.

For example, China increased its exports to Vietnam by the greatest percentage, up by 277.8% from 2009 to 2016. In second place was Thailand via its 183% gain followed by Russia (up 114.2%), India (up 98.6%), Taiwan (up 97%) and Malaysia (up 96.3%)....CHINA IS DIVERSIFYING HER EXPORT MARKETS....

China’s Top Trading Partners

 

[protectionist]

Yes they are, so who is going to pick up the market that is China since Europe already is? Do you think that if Europe was better market we would not have already replaced China with them? Do you think at all? Do you even have a brain or was it replaced by Trump's ass?

China's EXPORTS are the crux of this discussion, not her IMPORTS.

 

[SavannahMann]

Just to make sure I understand. The best way to manage fair trade and independence in trade deals is to surrender our independence to a really bad trade deal? The same TPP that Hillary opposed? That TPP?

Hillary Clinton's TPP controversy: What you need to know - CNNPolitics

Do you make this stuff up without a moments consideration or what?

Mr. fuckhead, WHERE in my O/P was I siding with Hillary's decision on the TPP??

You were saying the TPP was good. I’m trying to figure out where you got that idea. I’m trying to figure out why you think it was a good deal.

 

[protectionist]

For example, China increased its exports to Vietnam by the greatest percentage, up by 277.8% from 2009 to 2016. In second place was Thailand via its 183% gain followed by Russia (up 114.2%), India (up 98.6%), Taiwan (up 97%) and Malaysia (up 96.3%)....CHINA IS DIVERSIFYING HER EXPORT MARKETS....

China’s Top Trading Partners

If China can export to all these close Asian places, why has she been exporting so much to the US (halfway around the world) ? And in what quantities ? As compared to their exports to America ?

 

[shockedcanadian]

For those who claim that Trump is "the greatest negotiator that ever walked the planet" (beside Trump himself, that is) the surprise will be very disappointing.

Trump has picked the wrong fight, using the worst tools at his disposal probably because of his hatred of Obama. If you really wanted to have China buckle to our demands of better trade balances, less currency manipulation and have China curtail the stealing of our intellectual properties, THEN the best method would have been to REJOIN the TPP accords.

China will purchase her needs for soy beans and corn from such other countries as Brazil, Argentina, Canada, Mexico ,Peru, etc.......and we can expect that China may abandon its purchases of Boeing air crafts, opting for Air Bus from European (mostly France) manufacturers.

Yes, China may currently need our exports, but we are NOT the only suppliers of the commodities that Chain needs.....and once other suppliers step up to service China's needs, what would ever make that country seek supplies from her arch economic "enemy," the U.S.?

So you response is to capitulate and allow China to run the world, run your economy, build a military to invade your land and impose Martial Law on you?

Yes, time for an economic confrontation. The U.S has been in a trade war for two decades with China, this is the confrontation. I would recommend U.S corporations move to Vietnam and other low wage locations and do their part to help weaken China, or, better yet, move back to America and employ a Patriot.

As for them buying from Canada, you are right, they are already colonizing us as well as aggressively spying on our corporations. How competent is Canada in defending out country? The security apparatus knew about China having access to Nortel for 10 years! They did nothing. Nortels CEO's email were being read by Chinas government, and noone did a damn thing.

Be careful, they are and will be using Canada as a pathway into America. You had better be prepared, we have no appettite for defending our interests and even less interest defending yours.

 

[protectionist]

1. United States: US$388.1 billion (18.3% of total Chinese exports)
2. Hong Kong: $292.2 billion (13.8%)
3. Japan: $129.5 billion (6.1%)
4. South Korea: $94.7 billion (4.5%)
5. Germany: $65.8 billion (3.1%)
6. Vietnam: $61.6 billion (2.9%)
7. India: $58.9 billion (2.8%)
8. Netherlands: $57.7 billion (2.7%)
9. United Kingdom: $56.3 billion (2.7%)
10. Singapore: $45.8 billion (2.2%

Here's China's top 10 export countries. Notice USA is at the top. Can China afford to lose their # 1 ?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Yes they are, so who is going to pick up the market that is China since Europe already is? Do you think that if Europe was better market we would not have already replaced China with them? Do you think at all? Do you even have a brain or was it replaced by Trump's ass?

China's EXPORTS are the crux of this discussion, not her IMPORTS.

Ok, whatever you say. Shouldn't you go back to stealing from other sites and posting their stuff as if it is your own?

XXXX - Mod edit -- excess flame. Can't you just ask nicely for a link to those numbers? Or verify them on the Wiki? Golfing Gator

And if you're gonna post statistics -- at least MENTION where they come from. Doesn't require a link and a quote unless it's an obscure source. protectionist

Do NOT respond to this. PM me to discuss. FCT

 

[CrusaderFrank]

^ typed while sitting under his chairman Mao poster

here, you eternal moron.......LOL

Trump says he and China's president 'will always be friends'

Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping tout growing friendship

Jake and Communist will always be better friends

 

[protectionist]

What I am hoping will happen- is that China will make some concession and Trump will declare victory and everyone will consider it a win.

That is the best case scenario.

Right now both Trump and China are thinking that they can 'win' a trade war.

Unfortunately 'winning' a trade war is like how France 'won' World War 1- no one is a real winner- there are only those who lose more badly.

FALSE! China has no way to win a trade war with the US. They export 5 times as much as we export to them. They need us far more than we need them.

China can bluster and bluff, but they know, and Trump knows, they cannot win. If they lose our huge MARKET (their # 1 destination), they're sunk. Trump can literally design this thing however he wants to, and that's pretty much just what he's doing.

You wanna take on a New York City real estate big winner ? You're in trouble.

The US will win this thing by restoring fair trade, and undoing the dumb policies of the last 4 presidents, which gave China unrestricted access to our immensely valuable MARKET, with no reciprocation.

 

[protectionist]

Ok, whatever you say. Shouldn't you go back to stealing from other sites and posting their stuff as if it is your own?

Leave this discussion for those that finished at least the 6th grade.

Have you been drinking ? What the hell are you talking about ?

 

[protectionist]

Your understand of world economics matches that of my parakeet.......Instead of just watching Fox and Friends, why don't you read what China has developed in trade with Africa, Europe, the middle east and,of course, what China will do, UNOPPOSED with the TPP rim?

And the QUANTITIES ? (as opposed to their exports to USA)

 

[Harry Dresden]

Trump already rubbed Chinese noses in soybeans. Our soybean farmers will make more than ever.

You are so stupid it is almost scary you are allowed to vote.

If there was another market out there on a steady basis that would pay more, do you not think that our farmers would not have already been taking advantage of it?

This year for only the third time ever, more soybeans are planned to be planted than corn, meaning there will be more soybean than every to try and sell. Are you aware what happens when there is a surplus of supply and a shortage of buyers?

And the extended winter is going to make it even worse as people will end up planting beans where they were going to plant corn if they cannot get the corn in the ground soon.

It does seem as if voters should be required to take a simple multiple choice test regarding civics and logic that most 8th graders could pass.

That would weed out 67% of Trump voters.

it would weed out a lot of people from all over the place........

 

[EGR one]

Trump already rubbed Chinese noses in soybeans. Our soybean farmers will make more than ever.

You are so stupid it is almost scary you are allowed to vote.

If there was another market out there on a steady basis that would pay more, do you not think that our farmers would not have already been taking advantage of it?

This year for only the third time ever, more soybeans are planned to be planted than corn, meaning there will be more soybean than every to try and sell. Are you aware what happens when there is a surplus of supply and a shortage of buyers?

And the extended winter is going to make it even worse as people will end up planting beans where they were going to plant corn if they cannot get the corn in the ground soon.

Wow! Who would have imagined that our farmers are too damn dumb to change their minds about what to plant when conditions change, or even when conditions might change..

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

Trump will get a better deal for Americans. And that's what it's all about. The Globalists threw American Workers overboard years ago. I truly believe Trump will work out a better deal for them.

OH BULLSHIT!

China holds 4.8% of the US debt. That's over $1 Trillion in US Treasury bonds they own with a promise to redeem on demand. All China has to do is threaten to cash in half of them and the US economy would go in the toilet along with our credit rating globally.

China holds the top hand and they could squash the Clown with ease IF they desired. China is in the process of raising it 11th Dynasty in world history and that fucking Orange Idiot will get run over by the Chinese juggernaut if he tries his stupid, supercilious bluff game the entire informed Universe is on to!!

Trump's trying. The Globalists have decimated American Workers. He's trying to get better deals. I wish him the best of luck.

Trump's trying. The Globalists have decimated American Workers. He's trying to get better deals. I wish him the best of luck.

OH BULLSHIT...AGAIN!

That Narcissistic Clown doesn't know what he's doing and has placed the US and all of its citizens out on the proverbial limb. As far as your blaming "Globalists" for the woes of this Nation today, put that overly broad tar brush back in the bucket and educate yourself you insipidly deficient ground dwelling fool! tHrump is one of those you claim to disdain, but your licking up every drop of his piss you can. You are profoundly conflicted or perhaps just really, really terribly UNINFORMED!

The Idiot-in-Chief is not going to get squat from China in trade concession with his approach with his Carnival Barker shtick playing the tough guy because he's played that act too many times and shown himself to be nothing but a Gawd Damn marshmallow! His focus should be on China's military buildup, but OH HELL NO! He's concerned about keeping his dwindling base focused.

 

[eagle1462010]

As U.S. and China trade tariff barbs, others scoop up U.S. soybeans

The USDA said 458,000 tonnes of U.S. soybeans were sold to undisclosed destinations, which traders and grains analysts said included EU soybean processors such as the Netherlands and Germany.

If the entire volume is confirmed to be going to the European Union, it would be the largest one-off sale to the bloc in more than 15 years, according to USDA data. The USDA could not immediately be reached for comment.

“We’re seeing a realignment of trade,” largely because the politics is driving up Brazilian soybean prices, said Jack Scoville, analyst with the Price Futures Group.


Traders and analysts said the unusual trade flows were likely to continue in the near term, benefiting U.S. Gulf Coast shippers and likely hurting exporters in the U.S. Pacific Northwest, the No. 2 bulk grain outlet that relies heavily on Chinese demand.

 

[JimH52]

For those who claim that Trump is "the greatest negotiator that ever walked the planet" (beside Trump himself, that is) the surprise will be very disappointing.

Trump has picked the wrong fight, using the worst tools at his disposal probably because of his hatred of Obama. If you really wanted to have China buckle to our demands of better trade balances, less currency manipulation and have China curtail the stealing of our intellectual properties, THEN the best method would have been to REJOIN the TPP accords.

China will purchase her needs for soy beans and corn from such other countries as Brazil, Argentina, Canada, Mexico ,Peru, etc.......and we can expect that China may abandon its purchases of Boeing air crafts, opting for Air Bus from European (mostly France) manufacturers.

Yes, China may currently need our exports, but we are NOT the only suppliers of the commodities that Chain needs.....and once other suppliers step up to service China's needs, what would ever make that country seek supplies from her arch economic "enemy," the U.S.?

After trump has hurt the economy as much as possible...he will back off and claim victory.

"I forced some major concessions from the Chinese"

If course he won't. He will learn....just like W that tariffs alone do not work.

 

[JimH52]

For those who claim that Trump is "the greatest negotiator that ever walked the planet" (beside Trump himself, that is) the surprise will be very disappointing.

Trump has picked the wrong fight, using the worst tools at his disposal probably because of his hatred of Obama. If you really wanted to have China buckle to our demands of better trade balances, less currency manipulation and have China curtail the stealing of our intellectual properties, THEN the best method would have been to REJOIN the TPP accords.

China will purchase her needs for soy beans and corn from such other countries as Brazil, Argentina, Canada, Mexico ,Peru, etc.......and we can expect that China may abandon its purchases of Boeing air crafts, opting for Air Bus from European (mostly France) manufacturers.

Yes, China may currently need our exports, but we are NOT the only suppliers of the commodities that Chain needs.....and once other suppliers step up to service China's needs, what would ever make that country seek supplies from her arch economic "enemy," the U.S.?

trump is going it alone. This will not turn out well.