Who here "thinks" that China will blink first in the trade wars?

[eagle1462010]

https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/files/Press/Reports/China 2017 WTO Report.pdf

 

[LordBrownTrout]

For those who claim that Trump is "the greatest negotiator that ever walked the planet" (beside Trump himself, that is) the surprise will be very disappointing.

Trump has picked the wrong fight, using the worst tools at his disposal probably because of his hatred of Obama. If you really wanted to have China buckle to our demands of better trade balances, less currency manipulation and have China curtail the stealing of our intellectual properties, THEN the best method would have been to REJOIN the TPP accords.

China will purchase her needs for soy beans and corn from such other countries as Brazil, Argentina, Canada, Mexico ,Peru, etc.......and we can expect that China may abandon its purchases of Boeing air crafts, opting for Air Bus from European (mostly France) manufacturers.

Yes, China may currently need our exports, but we are NOT the only suppliers of the commodities that Chain needs.....and once other suppliers step up to service China's needs, what would ever make that country seek supplies from her arch economic "enemy," the U.S.?

For those who claim that Trump is "the greatest negotiator that ever walked the planet" (beside Trump himself, that is) the surprise will be very disappointing.

Trump has picked the wrong fight, using the worst tools at his disposal probably because of his hatred of Obama. If you really wanted to have China buckle to our demands of better trade balances, less currency manipulation and have China curtail the stealing of our intellectual properties, THEN the best method would have been to REJOIN the TPP accords.

China will purchase her needs for soy beans and corn from such other countries as Brazil, Argentina, Canada, Mexico ,Peru, etc.......and we can expect that China may abandon its purchases of Boeing air crafts, opting for Air Bus from European (mostly France) manufacturers.

Yes, China may currently need our exports, but we are NOT the only suppliers of the commodities that Chain needs.....and once other suppliers step up to service China's needs, what would ever make that country seek supplies from her arch economic "enemy," the U.S.?

China will do no such thing. They cant match the US and it absurd to even think they can. Their labor is now in foreign countries.

 

[eagle1462010]

They need the food a hell of lot more than we do................And our citizens can absorb higher prices than their citizens can...........Our did their wages just go through the roof over there.

Moron.....From the O/P I stated that countries such as Brazil and Argentina produce even MORE soybeans than we do.....What is stopping China from trading with those 2 countries???

Brazil prices are going up and are ready to trade as well................As the other poster said countries will just shift on who they buy from.

 

[eagle1462010]

Has anyone else noticed that Gnat uses funny on so many posts........kinda like Hysterical laughter when people go up against his views.............lol

Gnat...........read the report to Congress.........and get back to me.

 

[Syriusly]

What I am hoping will happen- is that China will make some concession and Trump will declare victory and everyone will consider it a win.

That is the best case scenario.

Right now both Trump and China are thinking that they can 'win' a trade war.

Unfortunately 'winning' a trade war is like how France 'won' World War 1- no one is a real winner- there are only those who lose more badly.

FALSE! China has no way to win a trade war with the US. They export 5 times as much as we export to them. They need us far more than we need them.

China can bluster and bluff, but they know, and Trump knows, they cannot win. If they lose our huge MARKET (their # 1 destination), they're sunk. Trump can literally design this thing however he wants to, and that's pretty much just what he's doing.

You wanna take on a New York City real estate big winner ? You're in trouble.

The US will win this thing by restoring fair trade, and undoing the dumb policies of the last 4 presidents, which gave China unrestricted access to our immensely valuable MARKET, with no reciprocation.

Yeah- that is virtually what every power in 1914 thought- that they absolutely could win that war.

 

[Auld Phart]

Yes they are, so who is going to pick up the market that is China since Europe already is? Do you think that if Europe was better market we would not have already replaced China with them? Do you think at all? Do you even have a brain or was it replaced by Trump's ass?

China's EXPORTS are the crux of this discussion, not her IMPORTS.

Ok, whatever you say. Shouldn't you go back to stealing from other sites and posting their stuff as if it is your own?

Leave this discussion for those that finished at least the 6th grade.

Have a link to his "plagerism'?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Trump already rubbed Chinese noses in soybeans. Our soybean farmers will make more than ever.

You are so stupid it is almost scary you are allowed to vote.

If there was another market out there on a steady basis that would pay more, do you not think that our farmers would not have already been taking advantage of it?

This year for only the third time ever, more soybeans are planned to be planted than corn, meaning there will be more soybean than every to try and sell. Are you aware what happens when there is a surplus of supply and a shortage of buyers?

And the extended winter is going to make it even worse as people will end up planting beans where they were going to plant corn if they cannot get the corn in the ground soon.

Sorry for your ignorance but Europe is already buying our soybeans.

Your hope for the failure of our farmers is dashed from the beginning.

Yes they are, so who is going to pick up the market that is China since Europe already is? Do you think that if Europe was better market we would not have already replaced China with them? Do you think at all? Do you even have a brain or was it replaced by Trump's ass?

Soy beans are sold on a world market, with the price pretty much determined by supply and demand. If other soy bean producers decide to sell to China and not their other customers, then those customers have to find another supplier. The same amount of soy beans will be sold, as there is a market for soy beans. Only the actors change.

WOW, you need to go talk to the grain farmers and the Ag companies, I guess they are all too stupid to figure that out...or it could be you are a moron and they know more than you....hmmmm which could it be?????

 

[protectionist]

OH BULLSHIT...AGAIN!

That Narcissistic Clown doesn't know what he's doing and has placed the US and all of its citizens out on the proverbial limb. As far as your blaming "Globalists" for the woes of this Nation today, put that overly broad tar brush back in the bucket and educate yourself you insipidly deficient ground dwelling fool! tHrump is one of those you claim to disdain, but your licking up every drop of his piss you can. You are profoundly conflicted or perhaps just really, really terribly UNINFORMED!

The Idiot-in-Chief is not going to get squat from China in trade concession with his approach with his Carnival Barker shtick playing the tough guy because he's played that act too many times and shown himself to be nothing but a Gawd Damn marshmallow! His focus should be on China's military buildup, but OH HELL NO! He's concerned about keeping his dwindling base focused.

When someone knows as little as you do about a subject, YOU should keep quiet about it. Wanna learn ? Read my posts in this thread. Free education.

 

[protectionist]

Have a link to his "plagerism'?

He's been reported. Evidence or silence. Can't accuse without evidence.

 

[protectionist]

After trump has hurt the economy as much as possible...he will back off and claim victory.

"I forced some major concessions from the Chinese"

If course he won't. He will learn....just like W that tariffs alone do not work.

Tariffs work were they fit the scenario. Right now with China especially, they work. If you don't know this, you're not ready for this thread.

The presidents who have "hurt the economy" are Clinton, Obama, and both Bushes. Trump is merely cleaning up the mess they made.

 

[protectionist]

figure away........With the TPP, china will corner the trade markets with such powerful countries as Japan, Australia, South Korea, Indonesia, Thailand,Vietnam, etc. while we play with ourselves.

We don't need China or the TPP. And China does need us.

 

[protectionist]

Moron, WHERE did you list those countries ready willing and able to buy our soybeans if China imposes high tariffs on such U.S. exports???....WHERE???

What's all this yammering about soybeans ? Wanna talk trade war ?
China’s number one export is cellular phones.

Top 10 after that >>

Electrical machinery, equipment: US$557.1 billion (26.3% of total exports)

1. Machinery including computers: $344.8 billion (16.3%)
2. Furniture, bedding, lighting , signs, prefab buildings: $89.5 billion (4.2%)
3. Knit or crochet clothing, accessories: $75 billion (3.5%)
4. Clothing, accessories (not knit or crochet): $72.8 billion (3.4%)
5. Optical, technical, medical apparatus: $67.9 billion (3.2%)
6. Plastics, plastic articles: $64 billion (3%)
7. Vehicles: $60.4 billion (2.9%)
8. Articles of iron or steel: $53.1 billion (2.5%)
9. Footwear: $47.8 billion (2.3%)

China’s Top 10 Exports


Top 10 China imports >>

I don't see soybeans on either of these lists.

1. Electronic equipment: US$431.6 billion (25.7% of total Chinese imports)
2. Electrical machinery, equipment: US$414.3 billion (26.1% of total imports)
3. Mineral fuels including oil: $175.8 billion (11.1%)
4. Machinery including computers: $147.8 billion (9.3%)
5. Ores, slag, ash: $93.2 billion (5.9%)
6. Optical, technical, medical apparatus: $92.6 billion (5.8%)
7. Vehicles : $71.5 billion (4.5%)
8. Plastics, plastic articles: $61 billion (3.8%)
9. Organic chemicals: $43.9 billion (2.8%)
10. Oil seeds: $38.3 billion (2.4%)
11. Copper: $33.2 billion (2.1%)

China’s Top 10 Imports

 

[protectionist]

Yeah- that is virtually what every power in 1914 thought- that they absolutely could win that war.

Dumbest "argument" regarding 2018 trade war is referring to 100 years ago, and other countries. Apples and oranges. Conditions were totally different. Totally different scenarios.

Today in America we have China with 4-5 times the exports to us that we have to them. We are also their # 1 export destination, and we're halfway around the world, and we allow then unrestricted access to our massive market while they tariff our exports to them. Is this focusing in ? They NEED US, big time.

This is a no brainer. Tariffs are of course the answer, It's just too bad we can't make up for the idiocy of the last 4 presidents. That's water already over the dam.

 

[protectionist]

A perusal of the sentiment in the various ag industries in the US shows they are all shitting bricks. They are the ones that will suffer, China is a HUGE buyer of American ag.

Even Republicans are coming out saying Trump doesn't know what he's doing because, he doesn't know what he's doing. So all you farmers out there you better pack away the harvest for the long cold winter headed your way. And you can thank Trump personally.

This is an issue that is a whole lot bigger than some farmers.

 

[jillian]

This thread clearly illustrates that the left hates Trump so much, they're rooting for China. Nothing would make them happier than to see American farmers suffer in the hopes it will damage Trump politically. Could they be any less patriotic?

no it clearly illustrates that trumptards know nothing but spend all of their time repeating what the orange imbecile says.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

Trump will get a better deal for Americans. And that's what it's all about. The Globalists threw American Workers overboard years ago. I truly believe Trump will work out a better deal for them.

OH BULLSHIT!

China holds 4.8% of the US debt. That's over $1 Trillion in US Treasury bonds they own with a promise to redeem on demand. All China has to do is threaten to cash in half of them and the US economy would go in the toilet along with our credit rating globally.

China holds the top hand and they could squash the Clown with ease IF they desired. China is in the process of raising it 11th Dynasty in world history and that fucking Orange Idiot will get run over by the Chinese juggernaut if he tries his stupid, supercilious bluff game the entire informed Universe is on to!!

Trump's trying. The Globalists have decimated American Workers. He's trying to get better deals. I wish him the best of luck.

Trump's trying. The Globalists have decimated American Workers. He's trying to get better deals. I wish him the best of luck.

OH BULLSHIT...AGAIN!

That Narcissistic Clown doesn't know what he's doing and has placed the US and all of its citizens out on the proverbial limb. As far as your blaming "Globalists" for the woes of this Nation today, put that overly broad tar brush back in the bucket and educate yourself you insipidly deficient ground dwelling fool! tHrump is one of those you claim to disdain, but your licking up every drop of his piss you can. You are profoundly conflicted or perhaps just really, really terribly UNINFORMED!

The Idiot-in-Chief is not going to get squat from China in trade concession with his approach with his Carnival Barker shtick playing the tough guy because he's played that act too many times and shown himself to be nothing but a Gawd Damn marshmallow! His focus should be on China's military buildup, but OH HELL NO! He's concerned about keeping his dwindling base focused.

What in the hell do you imagine that Trump could do about China's military buildup? Oh, I know, perhaps he should be building up our own military? Wait, he is already doing that.

If Trump were to shut down trade with China, American consumers would feel pain. However, China's economy would hit the skids, and the money that China is using to build up it's military would dry up,.

What in the hell do you imagine that Trump could do about China's military buildup? Oh, I know, perhaps he should be building up our own military? Wait, he is already doing that.

Well Know-It-All, explain the Orange strategy to keep the South China Sea and the Malacca Strait passages open to keep China from closing those routes to 'certain' flagged vessels? What has he done to counter the two new PERMANENT Chinese Navy and Marine bases in Gwadar, Pakistan just down the coast from the Strait of Hormuz with current plans for ~150,000 Marines to be stationed there along with a full blow yard facility for Chinese ships and the second one across the way on the African coast in Djibouti with another Navy base and another planned ~150,000 Marines just downstream of the Red Sea and the Suez Canal.

So how much of the world trade flows through the South China Sea, the Malacca Strait, the Strait of Hormuz and the Suez Canal...65%-75%? What fucking good is it to build more planes, helicopters, missiles and ships if they are not projected to counter built infrastructure by a potential adversary, especially if our forces are STILL tied up in the ME and now central Africa? Damn you're fucking ignorant of just what is going on outside of tHrumps asshole garden!

If Trump were to shut down trade with China, American consumers would feel pain. However, China's economy would hit the skids, and the money that China is using to build up it's military would dry up,.

Did you get that information and a little plastic submarine for sending Corn Flakes box top and a dime to Kellogg's? Even the Clown would know that embargoing trade as you suggest would be suicide for this country and the economic impact to our economy would just be the ticket to get it started in earnest. That would be a sure way to get China to start waving around those $1 trillion in US bonds they hold. Stupid, stupid rabbit!

And China ALWAYS survives to rise again from any ashes of the former dynasty, but this wouldn't be more than a bad inconvenience for China to overcome. You really need to read some history. Start reading to edify thy dumb ass!

 

[nat4900]

What's all this yammering about soybeans ? Wanna talk trade war ?
China’s number one export is cellular phones.

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China soybean buyers will cope if U.S. trade spat hits imports: New ...

Soybeans: A massive US farming industry fears China trade trouble

 

[saveliberty]

Jesus you are stupid.

What do you think they are going to magically change the land to, tomatoes or green beans?

Grain farmer grow grain. They do not magically decided in April to become watermelon farmers.

If they plan on planting Soybeans it means they have already bought the seeds, if they do not use them they lose money and have to buy other seeds.

If they are planning on planting soybeans it means they have not prepared the land with nitrates and other Ferts necessary for corn or other grains.

If the weather does not change soon they will not even have the option to plant corn, so they will use the seeds they have.

Really retard? Farmers switch from corn to soybeans on a regular basis. They also do wheat frequently. Sunflowers are an option too.

 

[JimH52]

For those who claim that Trump is "the greatest negotiator that ever walked the planet" (beside Trump himself, that is) the surprise will be very disappointing.

Trump has picked the wrong fight, using the worst tools at his disposal probably because of his hatred of Obama. If you really wanted to have China buckle to our demands of better trade balances, less currency manipulation and have China curtail the stealing of our intellectual properties, THEN the best method would have been to REJOIN the TPP accords.

China will purchase her needs for soy beans and corn from such other countries as Brazil, Argentina, Canada, Mexico ,Peru, etc.......and we can expect that China may abandon its purchases of Boeing air crafts, opting for Air Bus from European (mostly France) manufacturers.

Yes, China may currently need our exports, but we are NOT the only suppliers of the commodities that Chain needs.....and once other suppliers step up to service China's needs, what would ever make that country seek supplies from her arch economic "enemy," the U.S.?

A perusal of the sentiment in the various ag industries in the US shows they are all shitting bricks. They are the ones that will suffer, China is a HUGE buyer of American ag.

Even Republicans are coming out saying Trump doesn't know what he's doing because, he doesn't know what he's doing. So all you farmers out there you better pack away the harvest for the long cold winter headed your way. And you can thank Trump personally.

Face it....trump doesn't have idea what a trade deficit is. He equates it to the national deficit. Wrong!

Tariffs have been tried before and they didn't work. He think he is God's greatest gift to man. He isn't.

If the tariffs are great ideas....why Repubs governors and Congressmen in Ag states going crazy?

 

[JimH52]

After trump has hurt the economy as much as possible...he will back off and claim victory.

"I forced some major concessions from the Chinese"

If course he won't. He will learn....just like W that tariffs alone do not work.

Tariffs work were they fit the scenario. Right now with China especially, they work. If you don't know this, you're not ready for this thread.

The presidents who have "hurt the economy" are Clinton, Obama, and both Bushes. Trump is merely cleaning up the mess they made.

Like he cleaned up the swamp with a record number of cabinet and staff being forced out after screwing the American tax payers....trump has turned the swamp into an open sewer.

Pruitt is a tax wasting royalty wannabe....and trump defends him.

This WH has No Ethics!