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Wilt....In no particular order
1. Moses Malone
3 time NBA MVP
13 Time All star
4 time all NBA first team
6 time rebounding leader
1 NBA championship
1 NBA Finals MVP
11th all time scoring leader
Top Scoring Averages: 31.1, 27.8, 25.8, 24.8
Top Rebounding Averages: 15.3, 14.8, 14.7, 14.5
Career Playoff Average: 22.1ppg, 13.8rpg
2. Elgin Baylor
All NBA First team 10 times
Rookie of the year in 1958-59
11 time all star
Finished 2nd in MVP one year, 3rd in MVP 3 times
This guy doesn't have the "leads the league" stats (he played in the era of Wilt), but is a total beast. Look at his first 5 years in the league
1958-59: 24.9 ppg, 15 rpg, 4.3 apg
1959-60: 29.6 ppg, 16.4 rpg, 3.5 apg
1960-61: 34.8 ppg, 19.8 rpg, 5.1 apg
1961-62: 38.3 ppg, 18.6 rpg, 4.6 apg
1962-63: 34.0 ppg, 14.3 rpg, 4.6 apg
Throughout the 60's afterwards he had points per game scores of: 25.4, 27.1, 16.6, 26.6, 26.0, 24.8, and 24.0
Rebounds of: 12.0, 12.8, 9.6, 12.8, 12.2, 10.6, 10.4
You're saying Wilt would have scored over 40k points?Wilt....
Despite the fact that the occupies a spot at the top of the recognition list he was even better than what they recognize him for.
Without trying He's in the top 10 scores of all time. Had he chased that number It would be at a place where nobody would ever reach it.
Jo
Chamberlain once commented that if he chose to be could have doubled his average.....it would have made him a ball hog of course.You're saying Wilt would have scored over 40k points?
He would have had to average almost 7 more points a game every year of his career 82 games a year. I'm not sure that's really feasible. The last 7 years of his career he averaged under 30 points a game. Towards the end it was closer to under 20. James who is the current all time scoring leader already has over 40k points Im guessing he's over 45 by the time he retires. Which would increase that 7 number to closer to 10. He just didnt have the longevity to pull off 45k+ points.
He was going to average 100 a game? I’m calling shenanigans.Chamberlain once commented that if he chose to be could have doubled his average.....it would have made him a ball hog of course.
Jordan played 3 years in college. He was great two of those years. Won a national championship too. Do these three years not count for anything?1. He was the best player in the world for over a decade.
2. He has maintained his play at an exceedingly high level longer than anyone in NBA history. He's top 10 in the league in year 21.
3. The 2007 playoffs when he took a team full of no bodies to the NBA finals on his back.
6 Shannon Brown SG 6-4 205 November 29, 1985 us R Michigan State 1 Daniel Gibson PG 6-2 190 February 27, 1986 us R Texas 90 Drew Gooden PF 6-10 250 September 24, 1981 us 4 Kansas 32 Larry Hughes SG 6-5 184 January 23, 1979 us 8 Saint Louis 11 Zydrunas Ilgauskas C 7-3 238 June 5, 1975 lt 8 23 LeBron James SF 6-9 250 December 30, 1984 us 3 19 Damon Jones PG 6-3 185 August 25, 1976 us 8 Houston 27 Dwayne Jones PF 6-11 250 June 9, 1983 us 1 Saint Joseph's 24 Donyell Marshall PF 6-9 218 May 18, 1973 us 12 UConn 14 Ira Newble SF 6-7 220 January 20, 1975 us 6 Miami University 3 Sasha Pavlović SG 6-8 220 November 15, 1983 me 3 31 Scot Pollard C 6-11 265 February 12, 1975 us 9 Kansas 20 Eric Snow PG 6-3 190 April 24, 1973 us 11 Michigan State 17 Anderson Varejão C 6-11 273 September 28, 1982 br 2 4 David Wesley SG 6-0 190 November 14, 1970 us 13 Baylor
That was the roster he took to the NBA finals. There isnt a single other great player on that roster. It's debatable any of them are starters on most NBA teams.
5. He can play every position on the floor at a high level, and has.
6. He's elevated every team he's been on and when he's left that team has fallen off a cliff.
02-03 Cleveland won 17 games, that total doubled James rookie year. They were in the NBA finals in 06-07. in 09-10 win 61 games lose in C Finals, 10-11 they win 19 games.
09-10 Miami is 3rd in their division loses in the 1st rd of the PO's.
10-11 1st in their division lose in the Finals.
Year after he leaves back to 3rd in the division.
Back to Cleveland. Year before he gets there they are sub .500 The next year they go to the finals for 4 straight years winning 1. Lebron leaves they win 19 games.
Same bascially happens in LA. Non contender to winning a Championship within 2 years.
You can say its the other guys on his team but James is the common denominator in it. Irving, Bosch, Love, Davis. Never did anything without LeBron. (Wade being the exception but Wade had Shaq for his other rings) Id argue the only other HOF'ers James has played with are Wade, Allen and Davis. Not sure Bosch or Love will make it. Irving might depending on how the rest of his career goes.
Shall I go on?
Show me the eastern teams he beat to go to the finals. The East was weak.1. He was the best player in the world for over a decade.
2. He has maintained his play at an exceedingly high level longer than anyone in NBA history. He's top 10 in the league in year 21.
3. The 2007 playoffs when he took a team full of no bodies to the NBA finals on his back.
6 Shannon Brown SG 6-4 205 November 29, 1985 us R Michigan State 1 Daniel Gibson PG 6-2 190 February 27, 1986 us R Texas 90 Drew Gooden PF 6-10 250 September 24, 1981 us 4 Kansas 32 Larry Hughes SG 6-5 184 January 23, 1979 us 8 Saint Louis 11 Zydrunas Ilgauskas C 7-3 238 June 5, 1975 lt 8 23 LeBron James SF 6-9 250 December 30, 1984 us 3 19 Damon Jones PG 6-3 185 August 25, 1976 us 8 Houston 27 Dwayne Jones PF 6-11 250 June 9, 1983 us 1 Saint Joseph's 24 Donyell Marshall PF 6-9 218 May 18, 1973 us 12 UConn 14 Ira Newble SF 6-7 220 January 20, 1975 us 6 Miami University 3 Sasha Pavlović SG 6-8 220 November 15, 1983 me 3 31 Scot Pollard C 6-11 265 February 12, 1975 us 9 Kansas 20 Eric Snow PG 6-3 190 April 24, 1973 us 11 Michigan State 17 Anderson Varejão C 6-11 273 September 28, 1982 br 2 4 David Wesley SG 6-0 190 November 14, 1970 us 13 Baylor
That was the roster he took to the NBA finals. There isnt a single other great player on that roster. It's debatable any of them are starters on most NBA teams.
5. He can play every position on the floor at a high level, and has.
6. He's elevated every team he's been on and when he's left that team has fallen off a cliff.
02-03 Cleveland won 17 games, that total doubled James rookie year. They were in the NBA finals in 06-07. in 09-10 win 61 games lose in C Finals, 10-11 they win 19 games.
09-10 Miami is 3rd in their division loses in the 1st rd of the PO's.
10-11 1st in their division lose in the Finals.
Year after he leaves back to 3rd in the division.
Back to Cleveland. Year before he gets there they are sub .500 The next year they go to the finals for 4 straight years winning 1. Lebron leaves they win 19 games.
Same bascially happens in LA. Non contender to winning a Championship within 2 years.
You can say its the other guys on his team but James is the common denominator in it. Irving, Bosch, Love, Davis. Never did anything without LeBron. (Wade being the exception but Wade had Shaq for his other rings) Id argue the only other HOF'ers James has played with are Wade, Allen and Davis. Not sure Bosch or Love will make it. Irving might depending on how the rest of his career goes.
Shall I go on?
So let’s walk through this.Jordan played 3 years in college. He was great two of those years. Won a national championship too. Do these three years not count for anything?
To everyone. I realize that on paper Lebron is the goat. I give you that. I’m just saying if he played Jordan, just like everyone else, Jordan would have beat Lebron too. Think of all the nba’s greatest to have never won a ring all played during Jordan’s era.Wilt....
Despite the fact that the occupies a spot at the top of the recognition list he was even better than what they recognize him for.
Without trying He's in the top 10 scores of all time. Had he chased that number It would be at a place where nobody would ever reach it.
Jo
I’m just saying, throw out lebrons first three years.So let’s walk through this.
You want to use Jordan‘s college career where most of the time he was playing against guys who would never make an NBA squad as some sort of comparison to what James was doing IN THE NBA?
How about no.
God I wish Jordan Lebron nba finals was possible. I’d put all my money on Jordan’s team because you just know Jordan wins in the finals. Lebron not so much. Mkay?So let’s walk through this.
You want to use Jordan‘s college career where most of the time he was playing against guys who would never make an NBA squad as some sort of comparison to what James was doing IN THE NBA?
How about no.
Show me the eastern teams he beat to go to the finals. The East was weak.
I was so happy the three times the pistons won.The East has been the worst for years probably going back decades! Those owners out West spend more money on players, keep them longer, & produce more dominant teams! The East has been a disgrace for at least 30+ years! I seem to recall while I was on a trip to Chicago after the Bulls break up and move to return to greatness! At the time the Bulls & the rest of the East was below .500 except 2 teams the1st month or so of the season in 2002! This is what made it easy for The Bulls & Celtics to repeat & for the other teams to make the NBA Finals like Phili, Orlando, NYK, & Indy! They still lost, but were terribly outclassed by teams in the West!
LOL. Goal posts moved. Noted.Show me the eastern teams he beat to go to the finals. The East was weak.
The east has won 12 titles in tat time.The East has been the worst for years probably going back decades! Those owners out West spend more money on players, keep them longer, & produce more dominant teams! The East has been a disgrace for at least 30+ years! I seem to recall while I was on a trip to Chicago after the Bulls break up and move to return to greatness! At the time the Bulls & the rest of the East were below .500 except 2 teams the 1st month or so of the season in 2002! This is what made it easy for The Bulls & Celtics to repeat & for the other teams to make the NBA Finals like Phili, Orlando, NYK, & Indy! They still lost, but were terribly outclassed by teams in the West!
I’ll give you that nets team was good. How did Lebron get by them?LOL. Goal posts moved. Noted.
4-0
Wizards
Gilbert Arenas and Antwan Jamison
4-2
Nets
Jason Kidd
Vince Carter
Richard Jefferson
Eddie House
4-2
Pistons
Chauncey Billips
Dale Davis
Richard Hamilton
Tayshawn Prince
Rasheed Wallace
Chris Webber
Why? Because he was good enough to play in the NBA at 18 and Jordan wasn’t? LMAO…..I’m just saying, throw out lebrons first three years.
We will give Lebron the check mark for early development. Natural ability. I mean, if you were going to build a basketball players body you’d build Lebron. But, you would put Jordan’s heart and mind in it.Why? Because he was good enough to play in the NBA at 18 and Jordan wasn’t? LMAO…..
We will give Lebron the check mark for early development. Natural ability. I mean, if you were going to build a basketball players body you’d build Lebron. But, you would put Jordan’s heart and mind in it.
It took no discipline. Same with Tom Brady. There is no reason why the two have been so great for so long. Part luck part built right and part proper training. Yes, I believe Lebron works out. Probably always has but even more important now at his age.Are you serious? Do you have any idea the discipline it takes to be that good that early? To be crowned as a HSer? To maintain that discipline into the NBA for 21 years, putting in the work, to be as excellent as he’s been? He’s never missed significant time. Never came into a season out of shape. Never had a scandal. The commitment?
The east has won 12 titles in tat time.
