Who Needs Planned Parenthood??

[Coyote]

Then why won't you support laws that will put women in prison for life for having abortions?

Women are the victims of the abortion industry.

Misinformation and Manipulation at Planned Parenthood - Live Action

Why do men seem to think women are so uninformed?

 

[jillian]

No one does.
Well....no one needs government funded slaughter of the unborn.



1. ...it may provide a level of comfort so very important to those without morality, principles, or the proper upbringing....
....what is the element that it provides?
Convenience....
.....The ability to carry on an 'if it feels good, do it' life style with no thought to who is hurt.



2. So...what the motivation for denying it government funding?
The law.

a. "Passed by Congress in 1976, the Hyde Amendment excludes abortion from the comprehensive health care services provided to low-income people by the federal government through Medicaid. "
Public Funding for Abortion


b. "Congress has made some exceptions to the funding ban, which have varied over the years. At present, the federal Medicaid program mandates abortion funding in cases of rape or incest, as well as when a pregnant woman's life is endangered..."
Ibid.





3. Let's deal with the so very overused idea of "cases of rape or incest."
The concept that there are "cases of rape or incest" is a chimera.
They really don't exist.....well, the fact is that 98.5% of abortion don't involve either abhorrent event.
The cases in which abortion is for rape, 1%; and .5% incest. http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf



4. Well....how about when a pregnant woman's life is endangered? In just 12% of the cases were there 'concerns' for the mother’s health, according to reports. (Ibid.)

The problem here is that there is no objective criterion for "the mother's health." Anyone who can prevail on her doctor to write a note including the word "health" can get in under that clause.
I'm bettin' that the 12% figure is rally more like that of rape or incest.



5. So......what is the reason for extinguishing the life of the incipient human baby in the vast.....vast.....majority of cases?

It is the very element that forms the pillar of Planned Parenthood's raison d'être...convenience.

Liberal governance is all about making it easy to do what one "feels like"....even to the extent of killing an about-to-be human baby.





We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
The Declaration of Independence


Based on the above, from America's founding document, every patriotic American, every conservative, is pro-life.

Great when someone with her money and private doctors thinks women should be divested of their means to receive affordable care. but why would that matter to you?

planned parenthood provides
4.5 million tests and treatment for sexually transmitted infections
3.6 million contraception related services
935,573 cancer screenings including breast exams and Pap tests
1.1 million pregnancy tests and prenatal services

Planned Parenthood’s Services

"slaughter of the unborn"... yes, how dare women utilize their constitutionally protected rights.

now tell us again how much you know about our laws.

Clearly more than you do.....have you ever heard of the Hyde amendment?

clearly nothing, dear. stick to your piano playing and i'll stick to law. mmmkay?

your opinion is not the basis for our constitutional law.

let me know if Roe ever gets overturned. until then i'm not really interested in your faux moralizing.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

If anyone is damaged or sick it is you.

Fix your post and debate, don't troll.

I just stated your position accurately. You said you support the murder of infants who are "damaged or sick". Most people would conclude from this that you are a twisted psychopath. Don't you agree?

Most people aren't worth the mud on my shoes. They are dumb as dog shit. The question is, can you be rational enough to see the obvious instead of spewing dogma?

And fix your fucking post!

 

[NYcarbineer]

"Furthermore, 72 percent of voters agree that “taxpayer dollars would be better spent directed to the more than 13,000 health centers and hospitals providing comprehensive women’s health care.”


We can make sure women have access to health carewithout using taxpayer dollars to fund an organization responsible for around one out of every three abortions in the United States."
What Miss Tenn. Got Wrong About Planned Parenthood, Women’s Health

Poll: By 2-1, funding for Planned Parenthood supported

Looks like the Conservative witch hunt against Planned Parenthood is not working

Looks like the liberal push to destroy millions of black children is working.

Abortion is an individual choice that is left up to the mother

1. Why?

Why should she have the right to take a human life?

2. Barack Obama goes so far as to endorse the killing up to a month after the child is born.

Agree with that too?

If we passed laws that made abortion murder and put women away for life for getting an abortion,

wouldn't that fix the problem you think we have?

 

[Coyote]

So, women aren't smart enough to know that they want to abort?

Only you would blame the victims. Women are sometimes coerced into having an abortion. Economic pressure can be applied to push a woman into getting an abortion she doesn't really want.

Coerced or Forced Abortions in America

Let's talk some more about your support for not only abortion but infanticide.

They can also be coerced into keeping the pregnancy: “Crisis Pregnancy Centers”: Their Deceptive Tactics and Misleading Information Harm Women

 

[PoliticalChic]

Then why won't you support laws that will put women in prison for life for having abortions?

Women are the victims of the abortion industry.

Misinformation and Manipulation at Planned Parenthood - Live Action

Why do men seem to think women are so uninformed?

Possibly they've seen your posts and find that conclusion ineluctable.

 

[jillian]

No one does.
Well....no one needs government funded slaughter of the unborn.



1. ...it may provide a level of comfort so very important to those without morality, principles, or the proper upbringing....
....what is the element that it provides?
Convenience....
.....The ability to carry on an 'if it feels good, do it' life style with no thought to who is hurt.



2. So...what the motivation for denying it government funding?
The law.

a. "Passed by Congress in 1976, the Hyde Amendment excludes abortion from the comprehensive health care services provided to low-income people by the federal government through Medicaid. "
Public Funding for Abortion


b. "Congress has made some exceptions to the funding ban, which have varied over the years. At present, the federal Medicaid program mandates abortion funding in cases of rape or incest, as well as when a pregnant woman's life is endangered..."
Ibid.





3. Let's deal with the so very overused idea of "cases of rape or incest."
The concept that there are "cases of rape or incest" is a chimera.
They really don't exist.....well, the fact is that 98.5% of abortion don't involve either abhorrent event.
The cases in which abortion is for rape, 1%; and .5% incest. http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf



4. Well....how about when a pregnant woman's life is endangered? In just 12% of the cases were there 'concerns' for the mother’s health, according to reports. (Ibid.)

The problem here is that there is no objective criterion for "the mother's health." Anyone who can prevail on her doctor to write a note including the word "health" can get in under that clause.
I'm bettin' that the 12% figure is rally more like that of rape or incest.



5. So......what is the reason for extinguishing the life of the incipient human baby in the vast.....vast.....majority of cases?

It is the very element that forms the pillar of Planned Parenthood's raison d'être...convenience.

Liberal governance is all about making it easy to do what one "feels like"....even to the extent of killing an about-to-be human baby.





We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
The Declaration of Independence


Based on the above, from America's founding document, every patriotic American, every conservative, is pro-life.

Great when someone with her money and private doctors thinks women should be divested of their means to receive affordable care. but why would that matter to you?

planned parenthood provides
4.5 million tests and treatment for sexually transmitted infections
3.6 million contraception related services
935,573 cancer screenings including breast exams and Pap tests
1.1 million pregnancy tests and prenatal services

Planned Parenthood’s Services

"slaughter of the unborn"... yes, how dare women utilize their constitutionally protected rights.

now tell us again how much you know about our laws.

Clearly more than you do.....have you ever heard of the Hyde amendment?

Planned Parenthood complies with the Hyde Amendment. It has neither reason nor need not to.

then they should welcome an audit. Have they opened their books? We may find out today since the CEO of PP is testifying before congress.

Why would they use federal funds for abortions when most of their money comes from non-federal government sources?

they're already not allowed to use federal funds for abortion. it's called the Hyde amendment. poor loons.

 

[toxicmedia]

So, women aren't smart enough to know that they want to abort?

Only you would blame the victims. Women are sometimes coerced into having an abortion. Economic pressure can be applied to push a woman into getting an abortion she doesn't really want.

Coerced or Forced Abortions in America

Let's talk some more about your support for not only abortion but infanticide.

Not a problem, as I support that if the infant is that damaged or sick. I also support euthanasia as well, for all ages. It's common sense.

And when doctors take it into their own hands to determine when it is appropriate?


1. In 1984, Holland legalized euthanasia, the right of Dutch doctors to kill their elderly patients. Would they do so based on their whim?

1. “The Dutch survey, reviewed in the Journal of Medical Ethics, looked at the figures for 1995 and found that as well as 3,600 authorized cases there were 900 others in which doctors had acted without explicit consent…. they thought they were acting in the patient's best interests.” Involuntary Euthanasia is Out of Control in Holland
2. Euthanasia, as Dr. Peggy Norris observed with some asperity, "cannot be controlled." If this is so, why is Harris so sure that stem-cell research can be controlled? And if it cannot be controlled, just what is irrational about religious objections to social policies that when they reach the bottom of the slippery slope are bound to embody something Dutch, degraded, and disgusting? How many scientific atheists, I wonder, propose to spend their old age in Holland? [Berlinski]

2. "Exhibit B is extraordinary revelations in Belgium, where a nurse who was also a Catholic deacon used his privileged position to kill scores of people, probably without their consent. There will always be twisted people like him. If euthanasia is legalised, will there be more of them?

Can it be wise to follow Quebec’s lead if we can foresee that more half-deranged and fully-deranged minds like these will be encouraged to embark upon private crusades to drown the world with compassion?"
BioEdge: Euthanasia legalised in Quebec

I think you should take a nap, and maybe come back and take aother stab at it. Ooops, no pun intended.

But just so you know....not one bit of your guilt trip affects my opinion, and that's all it is.

I accurately responded to your post.....

1. "Show me anyone in the pro choice movement, who has said it's okay to kill a baby after it's born."
Barack Obama's vetted choice for science adviser...Peter Singer
Singer writes, in Rethinking Life and Death:

Human babies are not born self-aware or capable of grasping their lives over time. They are not persons. Hence their lives would seem to be no more worthy of protection that the life of a fetus.


Singer advocates thekilling of certain newborn infants at the discretion of their parents.The criteria he proposes for deciding which infants may be killed center on a wide range of hereditary physical conditions which Singer considers “disabilities”. ... “We think that some infants with severe disabilities should be killed.”

What counts as a “severe disability” for Singer? He intentionally leaves the term vague to allow for a broad range of parental discretion,...
Peter Singer and Eugenics | Institute for Social Ecology



2. "And do you expect anyone to believe...Obama wants post birth babies to die?"
Now pay attention....I'm going to jam those words down your throat:

a. "Newt Gingrich deflected a question ...by pointing out thatObama voted in favor of a law that protected abortion providersduring his term as state senator of Illinois
"You did not once during the 2008 campaign ask whyBarack Obama voted in favor of legalizing infanticide,"Gingrich said. "If we're going to debate about who is the extremist on this issues, it is President Obama, who, as a state senator, voted to protect doctors who killed babies."
Newt Gingrich Calls Obama An 'Extremist' Who Supported 'Infanticide' At GOP Debate


I n·fan·ti·cide/inˈfantiˌsīd/
Noun:
The practice in some societies of killing unwanted children soon after birth.


b. "Gingrich was presumably referencing Obama’s opposition to Illinois’ proposed version of a “born alive” law,intended to require doctors to administer immediate medical care to any infant that survived an intended abortion....FactCheck.org found holes in Obama’s explanations as to why he did not support the “born alive” legislation..."
FACT CHECK: Gingrich Claim on Obama Infanticide Vote A Stretch - Naureen Khan - NationalJournal.com

c. "Obama voted in committee against the 2003 state bill that was nearly identical to the federal act he says he would have supported.Both contained identical clauses saying that nothing in the bills could be construed to affect legal rights of an unborn fetus, according to an undisputed summary written immediately after the committee’s 2003 mark-up session."
FactCheck.org : Obama and ‘Infanticide’

4. If a child is 'accidentally' born alive as a result of a botched abortion attempt, SenatorObama had no problem allowing that newborn to die, sans any medical attention.






Pay special attention to the vid @ :50

2:01

2:40

3:55

5:28




And followed your ignoring same by pointing out that you have no class.

The current post of yours continues your attempt to obfuscate.

I think I see the problem.

You seem to believe that talking points Newt Gingrich spewed out during a debate, are a legitimate cite.

You also seem to believe that anything you see on TV, or read on a web site, must be true.

 

[bravoactual]

No one does.
/QUOTE]

Keep lying, which is exactly what your doing.

No U.S. Government Tax Payer Dollars can be used to fund abortion. The Hyde Amendment expressly forbids it.

 

[jillian]

No one does.
Well....no one needs government funded slaughter of the unborn.



1. ...it may provide a level of comfort so very important to those without morality, principles, or the proper upbringing....
....what is the element that it provides?
Convenience....
.....The ability to carry on an 'if it feels good, do it' life style with no thought to who is hurt.



2. So...what the motivation for denying it government funding?
The law.

a. "Passed by Congress in 1976, the Hyde Amendment excludes abortion from the comprehensive health care services provided to low-income people by the federal government through Medicaid. "
Public Funding for Abortion


b. "Congress has made some exceptions to the funding ban, which have varied over the years. At present, the federal Medicaid program mandates abortion funding in cases of rape or incest, as well as when a pregnant woman's life is endangered..."
Ibid.





3. Let's deal with the so very overused idea of "cases of rape or incest."
The concept that there are "cases of rape or incest" is a chimera.
They really don't exist.....well, the fact is that 98.5% of abortion don't involve either abhorrent event.
The cases in which abortion is for rape, 1%; and .5% incest. http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf



4. Well....how about when a pregnant woman's life is endangered? In just 12% of the cases were there 'concerns' for the mother’s health, according to reports. (Ibid.)

The problem here is that there is no objective criterion for "the mother's health." Anyone who can prevail on her doctor to write a note including the word "health" can get in under that clause.
I'm bettin' that the 12% figure is rally more like that of rape or incest.



5. So......what is the reason for extinguishing the life of the incipient human baby in the vast.....vast.....majority of cases?

It is the very element that forms the pillar of Planned Parenthood's raison d'être...convenience.

Liberal governance is all about making it easy to do what one "feels like"....even to the extent of killing an about-to-be human baby.





We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
The Declaration of Independence


Based on the above, from America's founding document, every patriotic American, every conservative, is pro-life.

Great when someone with her money and private doctors thinks women should be divested of their means to receive affordable care. but why would that matter to you?

planned parenthood provides
4.5 million tests and treatment for sexually transmitted infections
3.6 million contraception related services
935,573 cancer screenings including breast exams and Pap tests
1.1 million pregnancy tests and prenatal services

Planned Parenthood’s Services

"slaughter of the unborn"... yes, how dare women utilize their constitutionally protected rights.

now tell us again how much you know about our laws.

Clearly more than you do.....have you ever heard of the Hyde amendment?

Planned Parenthood complies with the Hyde Amendment. It has neither reason nor need not to.

then they should welcome an audit. Have they opened their books? We may find out today since the CEO of PP is testifying before congress.

in other words, harass them because you hate women's health care.

old white males telling women what to do.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Human babies are not born self-aware or capable of grasping their lives over time. They are not persons. Hence their lives would seem to be no more worthy of protection that the life of a fetus.


Singer advocates thekilling of certain newborn infants at the discretion of their parents.The criteria he proposes for deciding which infants may be killed center on a wide range of hereditary physical conditions which Singer considers “disabilities”. ... “We think that some infants with severe disabilities should be killed.”

He's both rational, and correct. There are a lot of things the phrase "better off dead" applies to. True for us all.

 

[jillian]

I have credibility, you don't.

Now thats funny. You get the award for funniest post of the day.

But you can recover, provide proof of your claim that PP only spends 3% of its money on abortions. You said it, its up to you to prove it.

or you could just admit that you lied.

The first unsupported claim in this exchange, if we're going to play this game, was yours:

.'Since their major activity is performing abortions, it is very likely that federal funding has and is paying for abortions. '

Prove that.

I proved it earlier.
I gave the definition of term you never knew before, "fungible."


Again?

Sure....

fun·gi·ble
ˈfənjəbəl/
adjective
LAW

1. (of goods contracted for without an individual specimen being specified) able to replace or be replaced by another identical item; mutually interchangeable.
   "money is fungible—money that is raised for one purpose can easily be used for another" Google

Every penny of the $528 million taxpayer dollars given to Planned Parenthood can be used for abortions, their most profitable endeavor.


Every penny.

If your misuse of 'fungible' wasn't exactly that, a misuse, then PP could have been defunded long ago. You might want to stay out of depths you can't swim in.

Wrong again.

Liberals/Democrats vote for evil on a regular basis...and have prevented said defunding.

immoral rightwingnuts are funny.

 

[Coyote]

Let's talk some more about your support for not only abortion but infanticide.

Not a problem, as I support that if the infant is that damaged or sick. I also support euthanasia as well, for all ages. It's common sense.

So you support the murder of infants who are "damaged or sick"?!

If anyone is damaged or sick it is you.

Is allowing something to die naturally murder?

Women who have had extremely damaged babies, could choose to hook them up to life preserving equipment at extreme cost or they can choose to opt out of extreme measures and allow the baby to die (for example cases of anacephaly). Is that "murder"?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Poll: By 2-1, funding for Planned Parenthood supported

Looks like the Conservative witch hunt against Planned Parenthood is not working

Looks like the liberal push to destroy millions of black children is working.

Abortion is an individual choice that is left up to the mother

1. Why?

Why should she have the right to take a human life?

2. Barack Obama goes so far as to endorse the killing up to a month after the child is born.

Agree with that too?

If we passed laws that made abortion murder and put women away for life for getting an abortion,

wouldn't that fix the problem you think we have?

Here's a plan: obey the proscriptions of the Hyde amendment and not worry about rest of your attempts to obfuscate.

Don't you think most folks who have read the thread and have seen you offer this bit of misdirection numerous times caught on to the fact that you have no answer to 'obey the proscriptions of the Hyde amendment .'


Or, do you imagine that most are of your level?

 

[Thunderbird]

Is that the research being done, on repairing cerebral cortexes....involves EMBRYONIC STEM CELL RESEARCH.

Evidence?

Please stop running from my questions:

Infants or the handicapped or the elderly who have an insufficiently developed or damaged cortex can be killed? Yes or no?

Suppose someone's cortex is only temporarily impaired, would it be okay to kill them?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/03/150311124518.htm

Mice cells genius.

 

[toxicmedia]

No one does.
Well....no one needs government funded slaughter of the unborn.



1. ...it may provide a level of comfort so very important to those without morality, principles, or the proper upbringing....
....what is the element that it provides?
Convenience....
.....The ability to carry on an 'if it feels good, do it' life style with no thought to who is hurt.



2. So...what the motivation for denying it government funding?
The law.

a. "Passed by Congress in 1976, the Hyde Amendment excludes abortion from the comprehensive health care services provided to low-income people by the federal government through Medicaid. "
Public Funding for Abortion


b. "Congress has made some exceptions to the funding ban, which have varied over the years. At present, the federal Medicaid program mandates abortion funding in cases of rape or incest, as well as when a pregnant woman's life is endangered..."
Ibid.





3. Let's deal with the so very overused idea of "cases of rape or incest."
The concept that there are "cases of rape or incest" is a chimera.
They really don't exist.....well, the fact is that 98.5% of abortion don't involve either abhorrent event.
The cases in which abortion is for rape, 1%; and .5% incest. http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf



4. Well....how about when a pregnant woman's life is endangered? In just 12% of the cases were there 'concerns' for the mother’s health, according to reports. (Ibid.)

The problem here is that there is no objective criterion for "the mother's health." Anyone who can prevail on her doctor to write a note including the word "health" can get in under that clause.
I'm bettin' that the 12% figure is rally more like that of rape or incest.



5. So......what is the reason for extinguishing the life of the incipient human baby in the vast.....vast.....majority of cases?

It is the very element that forms the pillar of Planned Parenthood's raison d'être...convenience.

Liberal governance is all about making it easy to do what one "feels like"....even to the extent of killing an about-to-be human baby.





We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
The Declaration of Independence


Based on the above, from America's founding document, every patriotic American, every conservative, is pro-life.

Great when someone with her money and private doctors thinks women should be divested of their means to receive affordable care. but why would that matter to you?

planned parenthood provides
4.5 million tests and treatment for sexually transmitted infections
3.6 million contraception related services
935,573 cancer screenings including breast exams and Pap tests
1.1 million pregnancy tests and prenatal services

Planned Parenthood’s Services

"slaughter of the unborn"... yes, how dare women utilize their constitutionally protected rights.

now tell us again how much you know about our laws.

Clearly more than you do.....have you ever heard of the Hyde amendment?

Planned Parenthood complies with the Hyde Amendment. It has neither reason nor need not to.

then they should welcome an audit. Have they opened their books? We may find out today since the CEO of PP is testifying before congress.

in other words, harass them because you hate women's health care.

old white males telling women what to do.

I'm an old white male, or a 51 year old wite male, and I would never dream of telling a woman wha she can, or cannot do about her pregnancy

 

[Stephanie]

anyone hear today how much that nasty woman Richards salary is? 600, 000 dollars. Their money for travels, 14, 000 a DAY. now what do they do THEY need to travel daily? and they want US taxpayers TO PAY FOR IT

 

[PoliticalChic]

Now thats funny. You get the award for funniest post of the day.

But you can recover, provide proof of your claim that PP only spends 3% of its money on abortions. You said it, its up to you to prove it.

or you could just admit that you lied.

The first unsupported claim in this exchange, if we're going to play this game, was yours:

.'Since their major activity is performing abortions, it is very likely that federal funding has and is paying for abortions. '

Prove that.

I proved it earlier.
I gave the definition of term you never knew before, "fungible."


Again?

Sure....

fun·gi·ble
ˈfənjəbəl/
adjective
LAW

1. (of goods contracted for without an individual specimen being specified) able to replace or be replaced by another identical item; mutually interchangeable.
   "money is fungible—money that is raised for one purpose can easily be used for another" Google

Every penny of the $528 million taxpayer dollars given to Planned Parenthood can be used for abortions, their most profitable endeavor.


Every penny.

If your misuse of 'fungible' wasn't exactly that, a misuse, then PP could have been defunded long ago. You might want to stay out of depths you can't swim in.

Wrong again.

Liberals/Democrats vote for evil on a regular basis...and have prevented said defunding.

immoral rightwingnuts are funny.

Since the immorality, e.g., killing the defenseless, is on your side.....your post turns out to be as stupid and/or dishonest as your earlier ones.

Don't you agree?

 

[bravoactual]

Under the Hyde Amendment, no U.S. Tax Payer Dollars can be used to fund abortions.

Videos used are heavily edited for content and suspect. An edited tape presupposes the existence of the original and absent the original such tapes are inadmissible.

There is no legal proof to support what is at best conjecture, contention and supposition.

Keep lying to yourself, it is all you know how to do.

 

[toxicmedia]

Is that the research being done, on repairing cerebral cortexes....involves EMBRYONIC STEM CELL RESEARCH.

Evidence?

Please stop running from my questions:

Infants or the handicapped or the elderly who have an insufficiently developed or damaged cortex can be killed? Yes or no?

Suppose someone's cortex is only temporarily impaired, would it be okay to kill them?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/03/150311124518.htm

Mice cells genius.

You're trolling