Who Needs Planned Parenthood??

[Uncensored2008]

And is that your answer to criminal penalties for bank robbery and car theft?

Gads....what a legal mind.

Apparently watching "Law & Order" reruns and pretending to be lawyer on the interwebz is not enough to practice law..

Who knew?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

A little reality for you, kiddos: Pregnancy is a war between mother and child – Suzanne Sadedin – Aeon

Scientists Discover Children’s Cells Living in Mothers’ Brains

http://www.oxfordjournals.org/our_journals/tropej/online/mcnts_chap4.pdf

Fact Check: Yes, Pregnancy Can Kill

Complications of pregnancy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Looks like the Conservative witch hunt against Planned Parenthood is not working

Looks like the liberal push to destroy millions of black children is working.

Abortion is an individual choice that is left up to the mother

1. Why?

Why should she have the right to take a human life?

2. Barack Obama goes so far as to endorse the killing up to a month after the child is born.

Agree with that too?

If we passed laws that made abortion murder and put women away for life for getting an abortion,

wouldn't that fix the problem you think we have?

Here's a plan: obey the proscriptions of the Hyde amendment and not worry about rest of your attempts to obfuscate.

Don't you think most folks who have read the thread and have seen you offer this bit of misdirection numerous times caught on to the fact that you have no answer to 'obey the proscriptions of the Hyde amendment .'


Or, do you imagine that most are of your level?

You keep mentioning the Hyde amendment and asserting that PP is in violation, yet you never say how or why.
How does PP receive federal funds?
What part of federal funds are used for abortion in your mind?

 

[Uncensored2008]

murder is a particular act as defined by statute.

Water is a liquid comprised of hydrogen and oxygen.

abortion is not murder. and it is constitutionally protected.

No one claimed that abortion is murder - straw man.

Abortion is never mentioned in the Constitution. Obviously you have never read the document.

you're welcome.

You should take an introductory law class at the local community college. You do a poor job of convincing those who have had legal classes that you are anything other than a fraud.

(Yes Jilly, MBA's take many law classes.)

 

[Uncensored2008]

Every month you have kept your knees together you have caused an ovum to be expelled from your body and DESTROYED! That DNA could have been another life. You ABORTED that ovum by yourself and did not allow its full potential to be reached. ABORTIONIST!

MURDERER!!!!

DNA KILLER!!!!

OH THE HUMANITY!!!!

My god but you are stupid.

Made more so by your fallacious belief that you are clever.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

anyone hear today how much that nasty woman Richards salary is? 600, 000 dollars. Their money for travels, 14, 000 a DAY. now what do they do THEY need to travel daily? and they want US taxpayers TO PAY FOR IT

Why is her salary in any way relevant?

How do taxpayers "pay for it"?

 

[jillian]

murder is a particular act as defined by statute.

Water is a liquid comprised of hydrogen and oxygen.

abortion is not murder. and it is constitutionally protected.

No one claimed that abortion is murder - straw man.

Abortion is never mentioned in the Constitution. Obviously you have never read the document.

you're welcome.

You should take an introductory law class at the local community college. You do a poor job of convincing those who have had legal classes that you are anything other than a fraud.

(Yes Jilly, MBA's take many law classes.)

awww... poor baby. typical lowlife effort at pretending i'm not what I am. but again, no one cares what you have to say.

you mean murder isn't defined by statute?

roe v wade doesn't protect the constitutional right to keep idiots like you from telling women what to do with their bodies?

if you have, as you pretend, taken law classes, then you would be aware that caselaw construing our constitution enforces constitutionally guaranteed rights. you would also, if you had bothered ever reading a case, know that the constitution is not your fundie bible which is read literally. words like "DUE process" "EQUAL protection", etc., require that judges actually think... something rightwingnuts seem incapable of.

and anyone who's actually an attorney, and not a wanna be constitutional scholar who gets their instructions on the constitution from rightwingnut websites, would know the above.

but whatever makes you feel better about yourself, lowlife.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Under the Hyde Amendment, no U.S. Tax Payer Dollars can be used to fund abortions.

Videos used are heavily edited for content and suspect. An edited tape presupposes the existence of the original and absent the original such tapes are inadmissible.

There is no legal proof to support what is at best conjecture, contention and supposition.

Keep lying to yourself, it is all you know how to do.

Taxpayer funds, once given to PP, can be used for any purpose.

Any.


Attempts to prosecute or penalize PP will be stopped by Liberals/Democrats.

Stop pretending to be ignorant.

Absolutely wrong.
"Taxpayer funds" aren't simply " given" to PP.

How does PP obtain their federal funding?

 

[The Professor]

Who needs Planned Parenthood? Mostly Democrats. Planned Parenthood buys political influence and almost all their money goes to Democrats. In 2014 Planned Parenthood donated $404,907 to Democrats. The Republican party got a mere $2,823. Anyone can check out their political donations for 2014 and other years at the following link:

Planned Parenthood Contributions to Federal Candidates, 2014 cycle | OpenSecrets

Love ya, PC! Keep up the good fight!

 

[Coyote]

I'm neither...and I find the slaughter of an independent and unique human being unacceptable.

The baby is not a part of her body.

If it's not part of here body then how come it dies when she does? Oh right, they are one and the same for a time, and each can get sick and kill the other...

her religious opinion is irrelevant.... and no one else's actions are her business.

thank G-d the constitution keeps her out of our lives.

So...you are ignorant of both law and science.

A primer:

There are a number of clear biological facts, and all sorts of legal precedents, that easily refute the claim that the embryo or fetus is simply part of the mother's body.

1. An individual's body parts all share the same genetic code. If the unborn child were actually a part of the mother's body, the unborn's cells would have the same genetic code as the cells of the mother. This is not the case. Every cell of the unborn's body is genetically distinct from every cell in the mother's body.
2. In many cases, the blood type of the unborn child is different than the blood type of the mother. Since one body cannot function with two different blood types, this is clearly not the mother's blood.
3. In half of all pregnancies, the unborn child is a male, meaning that even the sex of the child is different from the mother.
4. As Randy Alcorn states in his book Pro-Life Answers to Pro-Choice Arguments, "A Chinese zygote implanted in a Swedish woman will always be Chinese, not Swedish, because his identity is based on his genetic code, not on that of the body in which he resides."1
5. It is possible for a fetus to die while the mother lives, and it is possible for the mother to die while the fetus lives. This could not be true if the mother and child were simply one person.
6. When the embryo implants in the lining of the uterus, it emits chemical substances which weaken the woman's immune system within the uterus so that this tiny "foreign" body is not rejected by the woman's body. Were this tiny embryo simply "part of the woman's body" there would be no need to locally disable the woman's immunities.
7. It is illegal to execute a pregnant woman on death row because the fetus living inside her is a distinct human being who cannot be executed for the crimes of the mother (International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights: Article 6.5).
8. When Scott Peterson killed his pregnant wife, Laci, he was convicted on two counts of murder.
9. Sir Albert Liley (the "Father of Fetology") made this observation in a 1970 speech entitled, "The Termination of Pregnancy or the Extermination of the Fetus?"

Physiologically, we must accept that the conceptus is, in a very large measure, in charge of the pregnancy.... Biologically, at no stage can we subscribe to the view that the fetus is a mere appendage of the mother.2

1. The late Christopher Hitchens, a prominent public intellectual, atheist, and abortion advocate wrote the following in his book, God is Not Great:

As a materialist, I think it has been demonstrated that an embryo is a separate body and entity, and not merely (as some really did used to argue) a growth on or in the female body. There used to be feminists who would say that it was more like an appendix or even—this was seriously maintained—a tumor. That nonsense seems to have stopped… Embryology confirms morality. The words “unborn child,” even when used in a politicized manner, describe a material reality.3

Hitchens had other reasons for supporting legal abortion, but he recognized the absurdity of claiming that unborn children are simply part of the mother's body.

No matter how you spin it, women don't have four arms and four legs when they're pregnant. Those extra appendages belong to the tiny human being(s) living inside of them. At no point in pregnancy is the developing embryo or fetus simply a part of the mother's body.

Footnotes

1. Randy Alcorn, Pro-Life Answers to Pro-Choice Arguments (Multnomah Publishers, 2000) 57.
2. Sir William Albert Liley,“The Termination of Pregnancy or the Extermination of the Fetus?” cited by Randy Alcorn, Pro-Life Answers to Pro-Choice Arguments, 58.
3. Christopher Hitchens, God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything (Hachette Book Group. Kindle Edition, 2009), 378-379.

Part of the Mother’s Body?

You might be right. The woman's immune system treats the fetus like a parasite. Perhaps instead of saying it's "part of her body" we should be saying an unwanted pregnancy is a parasitical infection.

 

[rightwinger]

The fact remains.

The fact remains that PP is a private organization free to support those political organizations that support them just as every other corporation or lobbying group does. No federal money is used for that purpose.

"No federal money is used for that purpose."

False.

Research the term 'fungible.'

Prove fungible first

The whole premise is retarded. She believes that if all of the money were in one pot and you pulled out a twenty to buy something, there is no way to know if that twenty came from the Fed or a donation so therefore, since it can't be seperated then federal money is likely spent on abortion.
The views of a lifelong simpleton.

The anti-abortionists have had 30 years to make this Hyde Amendment charge against PP stick in court.

Why haven't they?

It seems it would be a lot more effective if they proved that Planned Parenthood is using federal funds for abortions than making bogus horror videos......but they can't

So Planned Parenthood gets the Breitbart treatment

 

[NYcarbineer]

Racists certainly need Planned Parenthood.

79% of Planned Parenthood Abortion Clinics Target Blacks, Hispanics

English please. Are you complaining that the black and hispanic populations in the US aren't growing fast enough,

or are you accusing PP of abducting black and Hispanic women and giving them abortions against their will?

 

[NYcarbineer]

The fact remains that PP is a private organization free to support those political organizations that support them just as every other corporation or lobbying group does. No federal money is used for that purpose.

"No federal money is used for that purpose."

False.

Research the term 'fungible.'

Prove fungible first

The whole premise is retarded. She believes that if all of the money were in one pot and you pulled out a twenty to buy something, there is no way to know if that twenty came from the Fed or a donation so therefore, since it can't be seperated then federal money is likely spent on abortion.
The views of a lifelong simpleton.

The anti-abortionists have had 30 years to make this Hyde Amendment charge against PP stick in court.

Why haven't they?

It seems it would be a lot more effective if they proved that Planned Parenthood is using federal funds for abortions than making bogus horror videos......but they can't

So Planned Parenthood gets the Breitbart treatment

The anti-abortion movement is solely based on irrational emotion. There is no rational argument against providing women a safe, legal window of opportunity to terminate a pregnancy.

 

[rightwinger]

By 'services,' you must mean the $6 million that they have contributed to the Democrats.

No.

The fact remains.

The fact remains that PP is a private organization free to support those political organizations that support them just as every other corporation or lobbying group does. No federal money is used for that purpose.

Why would Planned Parenthood contribute to the party that is trying to ban them?

Nobody's trying to ban them.... just end taxpayer funding of an organization engaging in infanticide and primarily of minorities... not to mention the director alone makes over $600,000 annually.

Abortion is legal in the U.S. So are women's health services
There is no reason to stop providing funding for women's health services.
What justification do you have? Conservatives don't like them?

 

[bravoactual]

There is no credible proof, evidence that on it's face that proves PP is using Government Funds for abortion, all the Republicans have is empty noise and edited tapes.

PP provided Health Care for Women, Primary Health Care for Women. Pap Smears, Breast Exams and Reproductive Services that would be otherwise not be available to many Women is rural America.

All the lies be spread by Republicans are exactly that....LIES.

No abortions are performed, the Hyde Amendment Expressly Forbids It.

No crap about fungible money, which mean you have no proof at all. Lacking proof all you are doing is lying.

 

[bravoactual]

"No federal money is used for that purpose."

False.

Research the term 'fungible.'

Prove fungible first

The whole premise is retarded. She believes that if all of the money were in one pot and you pulled out a twenty to buy something, there is no way to know if that twenty came from the Fed or a donation so therefore, since it can't be seperated then federal money is likely spent on abortion.
The views of a lifelong simpleton.

The anti-abortionists have had 30 years to make this Hyde Amendment charge against PP stick in court.

Why haven't they?

It seems it would be a lot more effective if they proved that Planned Parenthood is using federal funds for abortions than making bogus horror videos......but they can't

So Planned Parenthood gets the Breitbart treatment

The anti-abortion movement is solely based on irrational emotion. There is no rational argument against providing women a safe, legal window of opportunity to terminate a pregnancy.

There is no talk of the Rich White Conservative Women who still be able to get abortions.

Heavens To Betsy No. Rich White Conservative Women will still be able to receive their abortions.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

Every month you have kept your knees together you have caused an ovum to be expelled from your body and DESTROYED! That DNA could have been another life. You ABORTED that ovum by yourself and did not allow its full potential to be reached. ABORTIONIST!

MURDERER!!!!

DNA KILLER!!!!

OH THE HUMANITY!!!!

My god but you are stupid.

Made more so by your fallacious belief that you are clever.

My post was no more absurd that Chica's! That was the point and if you were just a few centimeters more elevated in thought, it wouldn't have exceeded your level of awareness and intellect!

But in any case, fuck you very much!

 

[Thunderbird]

If anyone is damaged or sick it is you.

Fix your post and debate, don't troll.

I just stated your position accurately. You said you support the murder of infants who are "damaged or sick". Most people would conclude from this that you are a twisted psychopath. Don't you agree?

Most people aren't worth the mud on my shoes.

I forgot you are a member of the Master Race.

 

[Thunderbird]

There is no talk of the Rich White Conservative Women who still be able to get abortions.

Heavens To Betsy No. Rich White Conservative Women will still be able to receive their abortions.

You seem to think killing off your children is some kind of reward or privilege.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

I forgot you are a member of the Master Race.

Indeed I am, but it's not a race. TY...