Who shipped jobs overseas?

[Disir]

Average Wages
GM workers in Mexico earn wages and benefits of 340 pesos a day ($26.40) on average, or less than $4 an hour, said Tereso Medina, head of the union for GM’s 5,000 workers in Saltillo, a city that makes one in four Mexican autos. Ford workers in the U.S. earn about $55 an hour with benefits, compared with $50 an hour for Toyota Motor Corp.’s U.S. workers, Lewis Booth, Ford’s chief financial officer, said on a Jan. 28 conference call.
GM Ford Boost Mexico Output With 26-a-Day Workers - Bloomberg Business

I'm still going with the greedy business owners.

 

[Moonglow]

candycorn please! stop the bs.

A landslide how? Electorally?

Reagan won a popular vote in 1980 by as much as Obama did in 2012 (Dante voted for Obama in 2012, but not in 2008). Reagan later won both a popular and electoral landslide in 1984. In 2008 - Obama? Check it out.

Stop spinning because it makes you look like a moron. You can do better

No kidding winning 49 states like Reagan did in 84 is a landslide

Winning 26 states like Obama did in 2012, well it is just a win with work to be done. Which he didn't do it when in his own words , his policies were on the line in 2014

I guess you're missing the point that Reaganites say 1980 was a landslide/mandate.

btw, much more of a percentage of eligible voters elected Obama in 2008 -- a very good showing

------------------
2008 Obama win:
All 538 electoral votes of the Electoral College
270 electoral votes needed to win
Turnout 61.6% (voting eligible

Nominee Barack Obama John McCain
Party Democratic Republican
Home state Illinois Arizona
Running mate Joe Biden Sarah Palin
Electoral vote 365 173
States carried 28 + DC + NE-02 22
Popular vote 69,498,516 59,948,323
Percentage 52.9%

---

Obama win 2012:

538 electoral votes of the Electoral College
270 electoral votes needed to win
Turnout 58.2% (voting eligible)

Nominee Barack Obama Mitt Romney
Party Democratic Republican
Home state Illinois Massachusetts
Running mate Joe Biden Paul Ryan
Electoral vote 332 206
States carried 26 + DC 24
Popular vote 65,915,796 60,933,500
Percentage 51.1%
============================================

Reagan win: 1980:


All 538 electoral votes of the Electoral College
270 electoral votes needed to win
Turnout 52.6%


Nominee Ronald Reagan Jimmy Carter John B. Anderson
Party Republican Democratic Independent
Home state California Georgia Illinois
Running mate George H. W. Bush Walter Mondale Patrick Lucey
Electoral vote 489 49 0
States carried 44 6 + DC 0
Popular vote 43,903,230 35,480,115 5,719,850
Percentage 50.8% 41.0% 6.6%
---

Reagan win 1984:


All 538 electoral votes of the Electoral College
270 electoral votes needed to win
Turnout 53.1%

Nominee Ronald Reagan Walter Mondale
Party Republican Democratic
Home state California Minnesota
Running mate George H. W. Bush Geraldine Ferraro
Electoral vote 525 13
States carried 49 1 + DC
Popular vote 54,455,472 37,577,352
Percentage 58.8% 40.6%

Really? When has it ever in the last 40 years?

40 years ago it would be Ford, he was a leader? Don't remember much about him except the old Chevy Chase skits on SNL.

The economy was in recession due to the end of Nam...and price controls......the real reason for inflation later during Farter, I mean Carter.....And the gas embargo....along with the end of Happy Days...and Little House on the Prairie...most tragic...

what? Happy days started around 78? And You remind me of potsie...

Edit: it started in 74, dang I remember watching the first episode with spike in it, didn't think today it was that old.

They try to confuse use with 50 years of Gilligan's Island reruns...

Sorry pal, I don't watch much t.v. anymore....

In fact I didn't even turn it on from January till the indy 500 of this year.

I stopped in 1980, when I ran off to college, then military....Just never picked up the habit....again..

 

[TooTall]

Over the years, on various forums I have seen this a lot folks putting the blame solely on greedy big business.

Or on taxes

Or on Unions

But not many people, put the blame on the American consumer, why is that? They stoped shopping at the local mom and pops hardware store or local butcher (that used to pay good wages) and instead started to shop for bargains at the big box stores.

None of the above. it was NAFTA and GATT that made these products available.

 

[Moonglow]

Average Wages
GM workers in Mexico earn wages and benefits of 340 pesos a day ($26.40) on average, or less than $4 an hour, said Tereso Medina, head of the union for GM’s 5,000 workers in Saltillo, a city that makes one in four Mexican autos. Ford workers in the U.S. earn about $55 an hour with benefits, compared with $50 an hour for Toyota Motor Corp.’s U.S. workers, Lewis Booth, Ford’s chief financial officer, said on a Jan. 28 conference call.
GM Ford Boost Mexico Output With 26-a-Day Workers - Bloomberg Business

I'm still going with the greedy business owners.

Even though they are manufactured in a low wage nation, it does not reduce the cost to US consumers...

 

[Disir]

Average Wages
GM workers in Mexico earn wages and benefits of 340 pesos a day ($26.40) on average, or less than $4 an hour, said Tereso Medina, head of the union for GM’s 5,000 workers in Saltillo, a city that makes one in four Mexican autos. Ford workers in the U.S. earn about $55 an hour with benefits, compared with $50 an hour for Toyota Motor Corp.’s U.S. workers, Lewis Booth, Ford’s chief financial officer, said on a Jan. 28 conference call.
GM Ford Boost Mexico Output With 26-a-Day Workers - Bloomberg Business

I'm still going with the greedy business owners.

Even though they are manufactured in a low wage nation, it does not reduce the cost to US consumers...

Not at all.

 

[Wyatt earp]

No kidding winning 49 states like Reagan did in 84 is a landslide

Winning 26 states like Obama did in 2012, well it is just a win with work to be done. Which he didn't do it when in his own words , his policies were on the line in 2014

I guess you're missing the point that Reaganites say 1980 was a landslide/mandate.

btw, much more of a percentage of eligible voters elected Obama in 2008 -- a very good showing

------------------
2008 Obama win:
All 538 electoral votes of the Electoral College
270 electoral votes needed to win
Turnout 61.6% (voting eligible

Nominee Barack Obama John McCain
Party Democratic Republican
Home state Illinois Arizona
Running mate Joe Biden Sarah Palin
Electoral vote 365 173
States carried 28 + DC + NE-02 22
Popular vote 69,498,516 59,948,323
Percentage 52.9%

---

Obama win 2012:

538 electoral votes of the Electoral College
270 electoral votes needed to win
Turnout 58.2% (voting eligible)

Nominee Barack Obama Mitt Romney
Party Democratic Republican
Home state Illinois Massachusetts
Running mate Joe Biden Paul Ryan
Electoral vote 332 206
States carried 26 + DC 24
Popular vote 65,915,796 60,933,500
Percentage 51.1%
============================================

Reagan win: 1980:


All 538 electoral votes of the Electoral College
270 electoral votes needed to win
Turnout 52.6%


Nominee Ronald Reagan Jimmy Carter John B. Anderson
Party Republican Democratic Independent
Home state California Georgia Illinois
Running mate George H. W. Bush Walter Mondale Patrick Lucey
Electoral vote 489 49 0
States carried 44 6 + DC 0
Popular vote 43,903,230 35,480,115 5,719,850
Percentage 50.8% 41.0% 6.6%
---

Reagan win 1984:


All 538 electoral votes of the Electoral College
270 electoral votes needed to win
Turnout 53.1%

Nominee Ronald Reagan Walter Mondale
Party Republican Democratic
Home state California Minnesota
Running mate George H. W. Bush Geraldine Ferraro
Electoral vote 525 13
States carried 49 1 + DC
Popular vote 54,455,472 37,577,352
Percentage 58.8% 40.6%

40 years ago it would be Ford, he was a leader? Don't remember much about him except the old Chevy Chase skits on SNL.

The economy was in recession due to the end of Nam...and price controls......the real reason for inflation later during Farter, I mean Carter.....And the gas embargo....along with the end of Happy Days...and Little House on the Prairie...most tragic...

what? Happy days started around 78? And You remind me of potsie...

Edit: it started in 74, dang I remember watching the first episode with spike in it, didn't think today it was that old.

They try to confuse use with 50 years of Gilligan's Island reruns...

Sorry pal, I don't watch much t.v. anymore....

In fact I didn't even turn it on from January till the indy 500 of this year.

I stopped in 1980, when I ran off to college, then military....Just never picked up the habit....again..

So you never seen the last episode of MASH? The first shuttle launch?

Guess you are still trying to figure out who shot J.R. ?

 

[Wyatt earp]

Average Wages
GM workers in Mexico earn wages and benefits of 340 pesos a day ($26.40) on average, or less than $4 an hour, said Tereso Medina, head of the union for GM’s 5,000 workers in Saltillo, a city that makes one in four Mexican autos. Ford workers in the U.S. earn about $55 an hour with benefits, compared with $50 an hour for Toyota Motor Corp.’s U.S. workers, Lewis Booth, Ford’s chief financial officer, said on a Jan. 28 conference call.
GM Ford Boost Mexico Output With 26-a-Day Workers - Bloomberg Business

I'm still going with the greedy business owners.

Even though they are manufactured in a low wage nation, it does not reduce the cost to US consumers...

bullshit allert....

You lie if you say you are old now. I remember an American made blue jeans in the 80s @ $75 bucks and they lasted forever, now you can buy them for $20 bucks and they last like 4 months at most

 

[Moonglow]

Average Wages
GM workers in Mexico earn wages and benefits of 340 pesos a day ($26.40) on average, or less than $4 an hour, said Tereso Medina, head of the union for GM’s 5,000 workers in Saltillo, a city that makes one in four Mexican autos. Ford workers in the U.S. earn about $55 an hour with benefits, compared with $50 an hour for Toyota Motor Corp.’s U.S. workers, Lewis Booth, Ford’s chief financial officer, said on a Jan. 28 conference call.
GM Ford Boost Mexico Output With 26-a-Day Workers - Bloomberg Business

I'm still going with the greedy business owners.

Even though they are manufactured in a low wage nation, it does not reduce the cost to US consumers...

bullshit allert....

You lie if you say you are old now. I remember an American made blue jeans in the 80s @ $75 bucks and they lasted forever, now you can buy them for $20 bucks and they last like 4 months at most

I was wearing fatigues through the '80's, so I have no idea what idiots payed for jeans ...

 

[Moonglow]

I guess you're missing the point that Reaganites say 1980 was a landslide/mandate.

btw, much more of a percentage of eligible voters elected Obama in 2008 -- a very good showing

------------------
2008 Obama win:
All 538 electoral votes of the Electoral College
270 electoral votes needed to win
Turnout 61.6% (voting eligible

Nominee Barack Obama John McCain
Party Democratic Republican
Home state Illinois Arizona
Running mate Joe Biden Sarah Palin
Electoral vote 365 173
States carried 28 + DC + NE-02 22
Popular vote 69,498,516 59,948,323
Percentage 52.9%

---

Obama win 2012:

538 electoral votes of the Electoral College
270 electoral votes needed to win
Turnout 58.2% (voting eligible)

Nominee Barack Obama Mitt Romney
Party Democratic Republican
Home state Illinois Massachusetts
Running mate Joe Biden Paul Ryan
Electoral vote 332 206
States carried 26 + DC 24
Popular vote 65,915,796 60,933,500
Percentage 51.1%
============================================

Reagan win: 1980:


All 538 electoral votes of the Electoral College
270 electoral votes needed to win
Turnout 52.6%


Nominee Ronald Reagan Jimmy Carter John B. Anderson
Party Republican Democratic Independent
Home state California Georgia Illinois
Running mate George H. W. Bush Walter Mondale Patrick Lucey
Electoral vote 489 49 0
States carried 44 6 + DC 0
Popular vote 43,903,230 35,480,115 5,719,850
Percentage 50.8% 41.0% 6.6%
---

Reagan win 1984:


All 538 electoral votes of the Electoral College
270 electoral votes needed to win
Turnout 53.1%

Nominee Ronald Reagan Walter Mondale
Party Republican Democratic
Home state California Minnesota
Running mate George H. W. Bush Geraldine Ferraro
Electoral vote 525 13
States carried 49 1 + DC
Popular vote 54,455,472 37,577,352
Percentage 58.8% 40.6%

The economy was in recession due to the end of Nam...and price controls......the real reason for inflation later during Farter, I mean Carter.....And the gas embargo....along with the end of Happy Days...and Little House on the Prairie...most tragic...

what? Happy days started around 78? And You remind me of potsie...

Edit: it started in 74, dang I remember watching the first episode with spike in it, didn't think today it was that old.

They try to confuse use with 50 years of Gilligan's Island reruns...

Sorry pal, I don't watch much t.v. anymore....

In fact I didn't even turn it on from January till the indy 500 of this year.

I stopped in 1980, when I ran off to college, then military....Just never picked up the habit....again..

So you never seen the last episode of MASH? The first shuttle launch?

Guess you are still trying to figure out who shot J.R. ?

I was at sick call when the shuttle blowed up....

 

[Wyatt earp]

Average Wages
GM workers in Mexico earn wages and benefits of 340 pesos a day ($26.40) on average, or less than $4 an hour, said Tereso Medina, head of the union for GM’s 5,000 workers in Saltillo, a city that makes one in four Mexican autos. Ford workers in the U.S. earn about $55 an hour with benefits, compared with $50 an hour for Toyota Motor Corp.’s U.S. workers, Lewis Booth, Ford’s chief financial officer, said on a Jan. 28 conference call.
GM Ford Boost Mexico Output With 26-a-Day Workers - Bloomberg Business

I'm still going with the greedy business owners.

Even though they are manufactured in a low wage nation, it does not reduce the cost to US consumers...

bullshit allert....

You lie if you say you are old now. I remember an American made blue jeans in the 80s @ $75 bucks and they lasted forever, now you can buy them for $20 bucks and they last like 4 months at most

I was wearing fatigues through the '80's, so I have no idea what idiots payed for jeans ...

Seriously? You wore camo that entire decade?bullshit

 

[Hamlet091765]

Over the years, on various forums I have seen this a lot folks putting the blame solely on greedy big business.

Or on taxes

Or on Unions

But not many people, put the blame on the American consumer, why is that? They stoped shopping at the local mom and pops hardware store or local butcher (that used to pay good waged) and instead started to shop for bargains at the big box stores.

(1) Unfair, unjust, and one-sided foreign trade agreements and policies
(2) Greedy unions
(3) Greedy corporations
(4) Anti-America government seated in Washington
(5) Voters that elected and re-elected professional politicians to serve in government
(6) The progression of "The Selling of America"
(7) We can't compete with child labor that works in sweat shops 18 hours a day
(8) We have OSHA, EPA, and labor laws that other countries do not have
(9) Our farmers can't use certain insecticides, fungicides, and pesticides that other countries use on crops
(10) Our standard of living is much higher than our trading partners
(11) Many Americans can't afford American made goods

The above are the reasons that we've lost the textile, steel, electronics, furniture, appliance, tools, toy, automotive parts, housewares, farm equipment and other industries to cheap foreign labor markets over the past half century. We've supported foreign economies while sacrificing our own. As a result, we've become import dependent, lost many skills that were once handed down from generation to generation, and have created a poor and dependent citizenry. And now, our work force is employed in low-wage, part-time, and temporary jobs. Many are now surviving off of government assistance programs and unemployment checks. In addition, we off-shore out-source jobs, import labor, and have millions of illegal immigrants living and working in this country.

Then we have to consider "volume buying" that has shut down the "mom and pop" stores. "Mom and pop" hardware stores can not compete with giants like Home Depot. The "mom and pop" five and dime store can nor compete with giants like Wal-Mart. In addition, companies like Wal-Mart own factories in foreign countries that produce the products they sell in America. The same is true of Nike.

The term "Global Economy" basically means "equalization to the lowest level", and we're rapidly approaching that equalization. Businesses are producing more with less employees, innovation, technology, and automation are replaces workers, and the combination allows businesses to pay less and offer less company paid benefits. Meanwhile, our work force is rapidly growing. This creates an employers' market where you have a 1000 workers competing for the same job. Many workers are also receiving some form of government assistance even though they are working. We have college grads flipping burgers and living with parents.

We're being forced to lower our standard of living in order to compete in the world market place. We're no longer the industrial giant we were in the 50's and early 60's. Our closed plants and factories attest to the economic damage caused by cheap foreign imports over the years. Those plants and factories once provided self-supporting living wage jobs that covered all education and skill levels. Times have changed, and the above list are the reasons that we've fallen to the level we have in this once great nation. When negative economic issues are prolonged, almost every aspect of society suffers. We're now living the reality of what an anti-America government can do and has done.

Excellent post. How can the issue be resolved? How about a little protectionism?

 

[Wyatt earp]

what? Happy days started around 78? And You remind me of potsie...

Edit: it started in 74, dang I remember watching the first episode with spike in it, didn't think today it was that old.

They try to confuse use with 50 years of Gilligan's Island reruns...

Sorry pal, I don't watch much t.v. anymore....

In fact I didn't even turn it on from January till the indy 500 of this year.

I stopped in 1980, when I ran off to college, then military....Just never picked up the habit....again..

So you never seen the last episode of MASH? The first shuttle launch?

Guess you are still trying to figure out who shot J.R. ?

I was at sick call when the shuttle blowed up....

the test flight of the first shuttle launch was 79, the challenger blew up in 86 right after the Chicago bears won the Super bowl , I know this from memory.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Over the years, on various forums I have seen this a lot folks putting the blame solely on greedy big business.

Or on taxes

Or on Unions

But not many people, put the blame on the American consumer, why is that? They stoped shopping at the local mom and pops hardware store or local butcher (that used to pay good waged) and instead started to shop for bargains at the big box stores.

(1) Unfair, unjust, and one-sided foreign trade agreements and policies
(2) Greedy unions
(3) Greedy corporations
(4) Anti-America government seated in Washington
(5) Voters that elected and re-elected professional politicians to serve in government
(6) The progression of "The Selling of America"
(7) We can't compete with child labor that works in sweat shops 18 hours a day
(8) We have OSHA, EPA, and labor laws that other countries do not have
(9) Our farmers can't use certain insecticides, fungicides, and pesticides that other countries use on crops
(10) Our standard of living is much higher than our trading partners
(11) Many Americans can't afford American made goods

The above are the reasons that we've lost the textile, steel, electronics, furniture, appliance, tools, toy, automotive parts, housewares, farm equipment and other industries to cheap foreign labor markets over the past half century. We've supported foreign economies while sacrificing our own. As a result, we've become import dependent, lost many skills that were once handed down from generation to generation, and have created a poor and dependent citizenry. And now, our work force is employed in low-wage, part-time, and temporary jobs. Many are now surviving off of government assistance programs and unemployment checks. In addition, we off-shore out-source jobs, import labor, and have millions of illegal immigrants living and working in this country.

Then we have to consider "volume buying" that has shut down the "mom and pop" stores. "Mom and pop" hardware stores can not compete with giants like Home Depot. The "mom and pop" five and dime store can nor compete with giants like Wal-Mart. In addition, companies like Wal-Mart own factories in foreign countries that produce the products they sell in America. The same is true of Nike.

The term "Global Economy" basically means "equalization to the lowest level", and we're rapidly approaching that equalization. Businesses are producing more with less employees, innovation, technology, and automation are replaces workers, and the combination allows businesses to pay less and offer less company paid benefits. Meanwhile, our work force is rapidly growing. This creates an employers' market where you have a 1000 workers competing for the same job. Many workers are also receiving some form of government assistance even though they are working. We have college grads flipping burgers and living with parents.

We're being forced to lower our standard of living in order to compete in the world market place. We're no longer the industrial giant we were in the 50's and early 60's. Our closed plants and factories attest to the economic damage caused by cheap foreign imports over the years. Those plants and factories once provided self-supporting living wage jobs that covered all education and skill levels. Times have changed, and the above list are the reasons that we've fallen to the level we have in this once great nation. When negative economic issues are prolonged, almost every aspect of society suffers. We're now living the reality of what an anti-America government can do and has done.

Excellent post. How can the issue be resolved? How about a little protectionism?

thank you

It's an idea, but it has been tried and tried, but trade wars not a good idea

I don't know...I think the same way a little bit.

 

[Sonny Clark]

Over the years, on various forums I have seen this a lot folks putting the blame solely on greedy big business.

Or on taxes

Or on Unions

But not many people, put the blame on the American consumer, why is that? They stoped shopping at the local mom and pops hardware store or local butcher (that used to pay good waged) and instead started to shop for bargains at the big box stores.

(1) Unfair, unjust, and one-sided foreign trade agreements and policies
(2) Greedy unions
(3) Greedy corporations
(4) Anti-America government seated in Washington
(5) Voters that elected and re-elected professional politicians to serve in government
(6) The progression of "The Selling of America"
(7) We can't compete with child labor that works in sweat shops 18 hours a day
(8) We have OSHA, EPA, and labor laws that other countries do not have
(9) Our farmers can't use certain insecticides, fungicides, and pesticides that other countries use on crops
(10) Our standard of living is much higher than our trading partners
(11) Many Americans can't afford American made goods

The above are the reasons that we've lost the textile, steel, electronics, furniture, appliance, tools, toy, automotive parts, housewares, farm equipment and other industries to cheap foreign labor markets over the past half century. We've supported foreign economies while sacrificing our own. As a result, we've become import dependent, lost many skills that were once handed down from generation to generation, and have created a poor and dependent citizenry. And now, our work force is employed in low-wage, part-time, and temporary jobs. Many are now surviving off of government assistance programs and unemployment checks. In addition, we off-shore out-source jobs, import labor, and have millions of illegal immigrants living and working in this country.

Then we have to consider "volume buying" that has shut down the "mom and pop" stores. "Mom and pop" hardware stores can not compete with giants like Home Depot. The "mom and pop" five and dime store can nor compete with giants like Wal-Mart. In addition, companies like Wal-Mart own factories in foreign countries that produce the products they sell in America. The same is true of Nike.

The term "Global Economy" basically means "equalization to the lowest level", and we're rapidly approaching that equalization. Businesses are producing more with less employees, innovation, technology, and automation are replaces workers, and the combination allows businesses to pay less and offer less company paid benefits. Meanwhile, our work force is rapidly growing. This creates an employers' market where you have a 1000 workers competing for the same job. Many workers are also receiving some form of government assistance even though they are working. We have college grads flipping burgers and living with parents.

We're being forced to lower our standard of living in order to compete in the world market place. We're no longer the industrial giant we were in the 50's and early 60's. Our closed plants and factories attest to the economic damage caused by cheap foreign imports over the years. Those plants and factories once provided self-supporting living wage jobs that covered all education and skill levels. Times have changed, and the above list are the reasons that we've fallen to the level we have in this once great nation. When negative economic issues are prolonged, almost every aspect of society suffers. We're now living the reality of what an anti-America government can do and has done.

Excellent post. How can the issue be resolved? How about a little protectionism?

No, NOT protectionism, definitely NOT.
Try this instead: Legislate and enact fair, equal, and balanced foreign trade agreements and policies. Severely penalize the off-shoring out-sourcing of our jobs. Severely penalize anyone that hires, houses, or otherwise aids or assist illegal immigrants. Put America back to work, producing what America uses and consumes. Stop electing and re-electing professional politicians to serve in government. Elect pro-America representatives to serve in government. PROBLEM SOLVED !!!!!

Illegal Immigrant Assistance: Anyone caught aiding, hiring, or assisting illegal immigrants must serve life in prison without the possibility of parole. That would send illegals running for the nearest border.
Off-shore out-sourcing American jobs: Anyone caught sending jobs to foreign job markets would serve life in prison without the possibility of parole. That would keep our jobs here in America.

Questions?

 

[Sonny Clark]

Over the years, on various forums I have seen this a lot folks putting the blame solely on greedy big business.

Or on taxes

Or on Unions

But not many people, put the blame on the American consumer, why is that? They stoped shopping at the local mom and pops hardware store or local butcher (that used to pay good waged) and instead started to shop for bargains at the big box stores.

(1) Unfair, unjust, and one-sided foreign trade agreements and policies
(2) Greedy unions
(3) Greedy corporations
(4) Anti-America government seated in Washington
(5) Voters that elected and re-elected professional politicians to serve in government
(6) The progression of "The Selling of America"
(7) We can't compete with child labor that works in sweat shops 18 hours a day
(8) We have OSHA, EPA, and labor laws that other countries do not have
(9) Our farmers can't use certain insecticides, fungicides, and pesticides that other countries use on crops
(10) Our standard of living is much higher than our trading partners
(11) Many Americans can't afford American made goods

The above are the reasons that we've lost the textile, steel, electronics, furniture, appliance, tools, toy, automotive parts, housewares, farm equipment and other industries to cheap foreign labor markets over the past half century. We've supported foreign economies while sacrificing our own. As a result, we've become import dependent, lost many skills that were once handed down from generation to generation, and have created a poor and dependent citizenry. And now, our work force is employed in low-wage, part-time, and temporary jobs. Many are now surviving off of government assistance programs and unemployment checks. In addition, we off-shore out-source jobs, import labor, and have millions of illegal immigrants living and working in this country.

Then we have to consider "volume buying" that has shut down the "mom and pop" stores. "Mom and pop" hardware stores can not compete with giants like Home Depot. The "mom and pop" five and dime store can nor compete with giants like Wal-Mart. In addition, companies like Wal-Mart own factories in foreign countries that produce the products they sell in America. The same is true of Nike.

The term "Global Economy" basically means "equalization to the lowest level", and we're rapidly approaching that equalization. Businesses are producing more with less employees, innovation, technology, and automation are replaces workers, and the combination allows businesses to pay less and offer less company paid benefits. Meanwhile, our work force is rapidly growing. This creates an employers' market where you have a 1000 workers competing for the same job. Many workers are also receiving some form of government assistance even though they are working. We have college grads flipping burgers and living with parents.

We're being forced to lower our standard of living in order to compete in the world market place. We're no longer the industrial giant we were in the 50's and early 60's. Our closed plants and factories attest to the economic damage caused by cheap foreign imports over the years. Those plants and factories once provided self-supporting living wage jobs that covered all education and skill levels. Times have changed, and the above list are the reasons that we've fallen to the level we have in this once great nation. When negative economic issues are prolonged, almost every aspect of society suffers. We're now living the reality of what an anti-America government can do and has done.

Excellent post. How can the issue be resolved? How about a little protectionism?

thank you

It's an idea, but it has been tried and tried, but trade wars not a good idea

I don't know...I think the same way a little bit.

What would be wrong with fair, equal, and balanced foreign trade agreements and policies?

 

[Dune]

Over the years, on various forums I have seen this a lot folks putting the blame solely on greedy big business.

Or on taxes

Or on Unions

But not many people, put the blame on the American consumer, why is that? They stoped shopping at the local mom and pops hardware store or local butcher (that used to pay good wages) and instead started to shop for bargains at the big box stores.

The small shops closed because of the big box stores. The Big box stores didn't open after the small shops closed. Nice re-write.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Over the years, on various forums I have seen this a lot folks putting the blame solely on greedy big business.

Or on taxes

Or on Unions

But not many people, put the blame on the American consumer, why is that? They stoped shopping at the local mom and pops hardware store or local butcher (that used to pay good waged) and instead started to shop for bargains at the big box stores.

(1) Unfair, unjust, and one-sided foreign trade agreements and policies
(2) Greedy unions
(3) Greedy corporations
(4) Anti-America government seated in Washington
(5) Voters that elected and re-elected professional politicians to serve in government
(6) The progression of "The Selling of America"
(7) We can't compete with child labor that works in sweat shops 18 hours a day
(8) We have OSHA, EPA, and labor laws that other countries do not have
(9) Our farmers can't use certain insecticides, fungicides, and pesticides that other countries use on crops
(10) Our standard of living is much higher than our trading partners
(11) Many Americans can't afford American made goods

The above are the reasons that we've lost the textile, steel, electronics, furniture, appliance, tools, toy, automotive parts, housewares, farm equipment and other industries to cheap foreign labor markets over the past half century. We've supported foreign economies while sacrificing our own. As a result, we've become import dependent, lost many skills that were once handed down from generation to generation, and have created a poor and dependent citizenry. And now, our work force is employed in low-wage, part-time, and temporary jobs. Many are now surviving off of government assistance programs and unemployment checks. In addition, we off-shore out-source jobs, import labor, and have millions of illegal immigrants living and working in this country.

Then we have to consider "volume buying" that has shut down the "mom and pop" stores. "Mom and pop" hardware stores can not compete with giants like Home Depot. The "mom and pop" five and dime store can nor compete with giants like Wal-Mart. In addition, companies like Wal-Mart own factories in foreign countries that produce the products they sell in America. The same is true of Nike.

The term "Global Economy" basically means "equalization to the lowest level", and we're rapidly approaching that equalization. Businesses are producing more with less employees, innovation, technology, and automation are replaces workers, and the combination allows businesses to pay less and offer less company paid benefits. Meanwhile, our work force is rapidly growing. This creates an employers' market where you have a 1000 workers competing for the same job. Many workers are also receiving some form of government assistance even though they are working. We have college grads flipping burgers and living with parents.

We're being forced to lower our standard of living in order to compete in the world market place. We're no longer the industrial giant we were in the 50's and early 60's. Our closed plants and factories attest to the economic damage caused by cheap foreign imports over the years. Those plants and factories once provided self-supporting living wage jobs that covered all education and skill levels. Times have changed, and the above list are the reasons that we've fallen to the level we have in this once great nation. When negative economic issues are prolonged, almost every aspect of society suffers. We're now living the reality of what an anti-America government can do and has done.

Excellent post. How can the issue be resolved? How about a little protectionism?

thank you

It's an idea, but it has been tried and tried, but trade wars not a good idea

I don't know...I think the same way a little bit.

What would be wrong with fair, equal, and balanced foreign trade agreements and policies?

nothing

But you could use major analogys

Like how Hitler double crossed Stalin

Or propaganda to the Japenesse people that California rice was inferior to Japanese rice, which the government of Japan did in the 90s

Or just like a boy and a girl, one will always adore the other more.

No perfect agreement in trade.

 

[Sonny Clark]

Over the years, on various forums I have seen this a lot folks putting the blame solely on greedy big business.

Or on taxes

Or on Unions

But not many people, put the blame on the American consumer, why is that? They stoped shopping at the local mom and pops hardware store or local butcher (that used to pay good waged) and instead started to shop for bargains at the big box stores.

(1) Unfair, unjust, and one-sided foreign trade agreements and policies
(2) Greedy unions
(3) Greedy corporations
(4) Anti-America government seated in Washington
(5) Voters that elected and re-elected professional politicians to serve in government
(6) The progression of "The Selling of America"
(7) We can't compete with child labor that works in sweat shops 18 hours a day
(8) We have OSHA, EPA, and labor laws that other countries do not have
(9) Our farmers can't use certain insecticides, fungicides, and pesticides that other countries use on crops
(10) Our standard of living is much higher than our trading partners
(11) Many Americans can't afford American made goods

The above are the reasons that we've lost the textile, steel, electronics, furniture, appliance, tools, toy, automotive parts, housewares, farm equipment and other industries to cheap foreign labor markets over the past half century. We've supported foreign economies while sacrificing our own. As a result, we've become import dependent, lost many skills that were once handed down from generation to generation, and have created a poor and dependent citizenry. And now, our work force is employed in low-wage, part-time, and temporary jobs. Many are now surviving off of government assistance programs and unemployment checks. In addition, we off-shore out-source jobs, import labor, and have millions of illegal immigrants living and working in this country.

Then we have to consider "volume buying" that has shut down the "mom and pop" stores. "Mom and pop" hardware stores can not compete with giants like Home Depot. The "mom and pop" five and dime store can nor compete with giants like Wal-Mart. In addition, companies like Wal-Mart own factories in foreign countries that produce the products they sell in America. The same is true of Nike.

The term "Global Economy" basically means "equalization to the lowest level", and we're rapidly approaching that equalization. Businesses are producing more with less employees, innovation, technology, and automation are replaces workers, and the combination allows businesses to pay less and offer less company paid benefits. Meanwhile, our work force is rapidly growing. This creates an employers' market where you have a 1000 workers competing for the same job. Many workers are also receiving some form of government assistance even though they are working. We have college grads flipping burgers and living with parents.

We're being forced to lower our standard of living in order to compete in the world market place. We're no longer the industrial giant we were in the 50's and early 60's. Our closed plants and factories attest to the economic damage caused by cheap foreign imports over the years. Those plants and factories once provided self-supporting living wage jobs that covered all education and skill levels. Times have changed, and the above list are the reasons that we've fallen to the level we have in this once great nation. When negative economic issues are prolonged, almost every aspect of society suffers. We're now living the reality of what an anti-America government can do and has done.

Excellent post. How can the issue be resolved? How about a little protectionism?

thank you

It's an idea, but it has been tried and tried, but trade wars not a good idea

I don't know...I think the same way a little bit.

What would be wrong with fair, equal, and balanced foreign trade agreements and policies?

nothing

But you could use major analogys

Like how Hitler double crossed Stalin

Or propaganda to the Japenesse people that California rice was inferior to Japanese rice, which the government of Japan did in the 90s

Or just like a boy and a girl, one will always adore the other more.

No perfect agreement in trade.

What would be imperfect about fair, equal, and balanced foreign trade agreements and policies?

 

[hangover]

It's Bernie Sanders that wants to bring those jobs back to the U.S..

 

[Manonthestreet]

MFN shipped your jobs to China...without it they would still be a backwater