Who's Afraid of Socialism?

[Likkmee]

I think it's a horrible system and all countries should use 50% of their revenue to feed N. Korea and buy arms for IsNtreal. Fuck the people paying taxes

 

[georgephillip]

Well of course not doofus... We on the right have been saying this since before Ronald Reagan. Rich people do not end up suffering from socialist policies. They either end up in bed with the government, or they end up leaving. Rich from New York and California, leave for lower tax, less socialist states all the time. The rich in France left in droves. The rich in Russia moved to west Europe when Putin was cracking down.

How does real estate affect the net worth of the rich?
The rich can run and hide (it is what they do best); however, they won't be taking all their private property with them.

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/...l-estate-tycoon-is-a-warning-from-history-950

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Well of course not doofus... We on the right have been saying this since before Ronald Reagan. Rich people do not end up suffering from socialist policies. They either end up in bed with the government, or they end up leaving. Rich from New York and California, leave for lower tax, less socialist states all the time. The rich in France left in droves. The rich in Russia moved to west Europe when Putin was cracking down.

How does real estate affect the net worth of the rich?
The rich can run and hide (it is what they do best); however, they won't be taking all their private property with them.

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/...l-estate-tycoon-is-a-warning-from-history-950

There should be no private property, eh comrade?

 

[georgephillip]

"The stubborn appeal of the libertarian idea persists, despite mountains of evidence that the free market is neither efficient, nor fair, nor free from periodic catastrophe.

The Libertarian Delusion | BillMoyers.com

"In an Adam Smith world, the interplay of supply and demand yields a price that signals producers what to make and investors where to put their capital.

"The more that government interferes with this sublime discipline, the more bureaucrats deflect the market from its true path."

So where's the problem with the market?

Do you see how a market that distributes goods and services based solely on the ability to pay will exclude a large percentage of workers from being unable to buy what they produce?

You are a troll, and you misrepresent Marx.

Marx never said anything that stupid - you are making shit up and attributing it to others.

E. Germain: The Marxist Theory of Imperialism and its Critics (1955)

Yeah, when I'm looking for an expert on economics, my favorite source is a Marxist lawyer.....DERP!

Who's your top pick for economic's expert?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So where's the problem with the market?

Do you see how a market that distributes goods and services based solely on the ability to pay will exclude a large percentage of workers from being unable to buy what they produce?

You are a troll, and you misrepresent Marx.

Marx never said anything that stupid - you are making shit up and attributing it to others.

E. Germain: The Marxist Theory of Imperialism and its Critics (1955)

Yeah, when I'm looking for an expert on economics, my favorite source is a Marxist lawyer.....DERP!

Who's your top pick for economic's expert?

Milton Friedman is pretty good.

 

[georgephillip]

There are sanctions, but they are sanctions against individuals who are acting corruptly on the world market, at the expense of the Venezuelan people.

Venezuela-Related Sanctions

They target specific officials in the Venezuelan government, that are using the power of the government to screw over what little wealth is left in the country, and exporting it into hidden accounts out of the country.

They target the basis of Venezuela's economy in much the same way US sanctions have targeted Cuba with exactly the same motive: to destroy any alternative to the Washington Consensus.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/row/IF10715.pdf

"Broader Economic Sanctions In addition to targeted sanctions against individuals, President Trump has imposed broader economic sanctions on Venezuela because of the government’s serious human rights abuses, antidemocratic actions, and responsibility for the deepening humanitarian crisis.

"In August 2017, President Trump issued E.O. 13808, which prohibits access to the U.S. financial markets by the Venezuelan government, including Venezuela’s state oil company, Petróleos de Venezuela, S.A., or PdVSA, with certain exceptions to minimize the impact on the Venezuelan people and U.S. economic interests.

"The sanctions seek to restrict the Venezuelan government’s access to U.S. debt and equity markets.

"Among the exceptions are transactions for new debt by CITGO, owned by PdVSA; transactions by U.S. owners of Venezuelan/PdVSA bonds on secondary markets; financing for agricultural and medical exports; and short-term financing to facilitate trade."

 

[bripat9643]

So where's the problem with the market?

Do you see how a market that distributes goods and services based solely on the ability to pay will exclude a large percentage of workers from being unable to buy what they produce?

You are a troll, and you misrepresent Marx.

Marx never said anything that stupid - you are making shit up and attributing it to others.

E. Germain: The Marxist Theory of Imperialism and its Critics (1955)

Yeah, when I'm looking for an expert on economics, my favorite source is a Marxist lawyer.....DERP!

Who's your top pick for economic's expert?

Ludwig von Mises.

 

[bripat9643]

There are sanctions, but they are sanctions against individuals who are acting corruptly on the world market, at the expense of the Venezuelan people.

Venezuela-Related Sanctions

They target specific officials in the Venezuelan government, that are using the power of the government to screw over what little wealth is left in the country, and exporting it into hidden accounts out of the country.

They target the basis of Venezuela's economy in much the same way US sanctions have targeted Cuba with exactly the same motive: to destroy any alternative to the Washington Consensus.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/row/IF10715.pdf

"Broader Economic Sanctions In addition to targeted sanctions against individuals, President Trump has imposed broader economic sanctions on Venezuela because of the government’s serious human rights abuses, antidemocratic actions, and responsibility for the deepening humanitarian crisis.

"In August 2017, President Trump issued E.O. 13808, which prohibits access to the U.S. financial markets by the Venezuelan government, including Venezuela’s state oil company, Petróleos de Venezuela, S.A., or PdVSA, with certain exceptions to minimize the impact on the Venezuelan people and U.S. economic interests.

"The sanctions seek to restrict the Venezuelan government’s access to U.S. debt and equity markets.

"Among the exceptions are transactions for new debt by CITGO, owned by PdVSA; transactions by U.S. owners of Venezuelan/PdVSA bonds on secondary markets; financing for agricultural and medical exports; and short-term financing to facilitate trade."

What's stopping Venezuela from going to Europe or all the socialist Utopias for these things? Isn't socialism supposed to be the superior economic system?

 

[danielpalos]

There are sanctions, but they are sanctions against individuals who are acting corruptly on the world market, at the expense of the Venezuelan people.

Venezuela-Related Sanctions

They target specific officials in the Venezuelan government, that are using the power of the government to screw over what little wealth is left in the country, and exporting it into hidden accounts out of the country.

They target the basis of Venezuela's economy in much the same way US sanctions have targeted Cuba with exactly the same motive: to destroy any alternative to the Washington Consensus.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/row/IF10715.pdf

"Broader Economic Sanctions In addition to targeted sanctions against individuals, President Trump has imposed broader economic sanctions on Venezuela because of the government’s serious human rights abuses, antidemocratic actions, and responsibility for the deepening humanitarian crisis.

"In August 2017, President Trump issued E.O. 13808, which prohibits access to the U.S. financial markets by the Venezuelan government, including Venezuela’s state oil company, Petróleos de Venezuela, S.A., or PdVSA, with certain exceptions to minimize the impact on the Venezuelan people and U.S. economic interests.

"The sanctions seek to restrict the Venezuelan government’s access to U.S. debt and equity markets.

"Among the exceptions are transactions for new debt by CITGO, owned by PdVSA; transactions by U.S. owners of Venezuelan/PdVSA bonds on secondary markets; financing for agricultural and medical exports; and short-term financing to facilitate trade."

What's stopping Venezuela from going to Europe or all the socialist Utopias for these things? Isn't socialism supposed to be the superior economic system?

lousy right wing management. thank Goodness FDR was a left winger.

 

[bripat9643]

There are sanctions, but they are sanctions against individuals who are acting corruptly on the world market, at the expense of the Venezuelan people.

Venezuela-Related Sanctions

They target specific officials in the Venezuelan government, that are using the power of the government to screw over what little wealth is left in the country, and exporting it into hidden accounts out of the country.

They target the basis of Venezuela's economy in much the same way US sanctions have targeted Cuba with exactly the same motive: to destroy any alternative to the Washington Consensus.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/row/IF10715.pdf

"Broader Economic Sanctions In addition to targeted sanctions against individuals, President Trump has imposed broader economic sanctions on Venezuela because of the government’s serious human rights abuses, antidemocratic actions, and responsibility for the deepening humanitarian crisis.

"In August 2017, President Trump issued E.O. 13808, which prohibits access to the U.S. financial markets by the Venezuelan government, including Venezuela’s state oil company, Petróleos de Venezuela, S.A., or PdVSA, with certain exceptions to minimize the impact on the Venezuelan people and U.S. economic interests.

"The sanctions seek to restrict the Venezuelan government’s access to U.S. debt and equity markets.

"Among the exceptions are transactions for new debt by CITGO, owned by PdVSA; transactions by U.S. owners of Venezuelan/PdVSA bonds on secondary markets; financing for agricultural and medical exports; and short-term financing to facilitate trade."

What's stopping Venezuela from going to Europe or all the socialist Utopias for these things? Isn't socialism supposed to be the superior economic system?

lousy right wing management. thank Goodness FDR was a left winger.

"Lousy rightwing management" prevents Venezuela from getting capital from Europe or other socialist countries?

 

[dblack]

lousy right wing management. thank Goodness FDR was a left winger.

"Lousy rightwing management" prevents Venezuela from getting capital from Europe or other socialist countries?

I think daniel was trying to say:

’Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

 

[danielpalos]

There are sanctions, but they are sanctions against individuals who are acting corruptly on the world market, at the expense of the Venezuelan people.

Venezuela-Related Sanctions

They target specific officials in the Venezuelan government, that are using the power of the government to screw over what little wealth is left in the country, and exporting it into hidden accounts out of the country.

They target the basis of Venezuela's economy in much the same way US sanctions have targeted Cuba with exactly the same motive: to destroy any alternative to the Washington Consensus.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/row/IF10715.pdf

"Broader Economic Sanctions In addition to targeted sanctions against individuals, President Trump has imposed broader economic sanctions on Venezuela because of the government’s serious human rights abuses, antidemocratic actions, and responsibility for the deepening humanitarian crisis.

"In August 2017, President Trump issued E.O. 13808, which prohibits access to the U.S. financial markets by the Venezuelan government, including Venezuela’s state oil company, Petróleos de Venezuela, S.A., or PdVSA, with certain exceptions to minimize the impact on the Venezuelan people and U.S. economic interests.

"The sanctions seek to restrict the Venezuelan government’s access to U.S. debt and equity markets.

"Among the exceptions are transactions for new debt by CITGO, owned by PdVSA; transactions by U.S. owners of Venezuelan/PdVSA bonds on secondary markets; financing for agricultural and medical exports; and short-term financing to facilitate trade."

What's stopping Venezuela from going to Europe or all the socialist Utopias for these things? Isn't socialism supposed to be the superior economic system?

lousy right wing management. thank Goodness FDR was a left winger.

"Lousy rightwing management" prevents Venezuela from getting capital from Europe or other socialist countries?

FDR was busier getting good deals from Europe.

 

[francoHFW]

Maduro's predecessor would be my choice:

How Venezuela went from a rich democracy to a dictatorship on the brink of collapse

"Understanding Maduro requires understanding his predecessor Hugo Chávez, the populist firebrand who served as president of Venezuela from 1999 until his death in 2013 and spearheaded the country’s experiment with socialism.

"Chávez is a legendary figure in Venezuela who transformed the country’s political and economic landscape by nationalizing industries and funneling enormous amounts of government money into social programs.

"Under his rule, Venezuela’s unemployment rate halved, income per capita more than doubled, the poverty rate fell by more than half, education improved, and infant mortality rates declined.

"While he sparked ferocious opposition among the country’s elites and conservatives — who at one point attempted a coup against him — he was loved by the country’s poor and working classes."

he was loved by the country’s poor and working classes."

They're loving him now, a-hole.

"Venezuela became increasingly politicised, with the debate focusing on the role of President Chavez himself.

"To maintain political support, Mr Chavez expanded his social programmes using the income derived from high oil prices.

"Minimum wages were increased sharply and many Venezuelans were lifted out of poverty.

"Other social indicators, notably literacy, also improved and Mr Chavez and his political movement had little difficulty in defeating an opposition that was deeply divided and unable to adjust to the new Venezuelan realities."

Analysis: How Chavez changed Venezuela

When did Americans love Trump as much, Gringo?

"Minimum wages were increased sharply and many Venezuelans were lifted out of poverty.

Yep, it was a huge success, as can be seen by the "Venezuela Diet"!

Other social indicators, notably literacy, also improved

What about the indicators, starvation and no toilet paper?

They were ruined by the George W bush World depression of 2008, dumbass. They are a crap country third world irrelevant and stupid is your propaganda.

Poor Chavez, forced to loot his country and neglect the oil fields by Clinton's (and Bush's) housing bubble.
This time, socialism was really gonna work. Really. REALLY!!!

Screw Venezuela, brainwashed functional moron. Clinton my butt, dingbat.

 

[francoHFW]

/----/ People figured it out??? What kind of horseshyt is that? Librtards bemoaned the USSR when it collapsed. Intelligent people know it was a slave state from the get go. You're trying to rewrite and dilute the evil empire as something harmless.

By the 1930s people had figured out that the USSR was garbage and I would like you to show me some liberals who felt bad about it falling LOL. Under Lenin until 1926 there were elements of capitalism and democracy. Stalin followed.

Yes, we know socialism was a huge failure as demonstrated by the USSR. It fails every time it's tried.

Nobody is talking about communism, brainwashed functional moron... Nobody is in favor of communism. We're talking about France Germany Sweden Canada Australia New Zealand etc or we should be. That is the answer and we are lucky in the United States that have the best natural resources the best strategic position and hard workers. But the dumbest voters. The GOP is a disgrace, Robbing the middle class and keeping us from having what every other rich country has living wage Health Care daycare paid parental leave 5-week vacation good infrastructure cheap college and training etc etc. Thanks scumbag GOP and silly dupes like you. How about an ID card to end illegal immigrat ion and taxing the rich their fair share. What a goddamn mess the GOP has made the last 35 years and brainwashed you, ignoramus.

/——/ Holey Mackrel, so much Commie propaganda in one paragraph. Let’s focus on taxing the rich their fair share. How do you define fair? What percentage of taxes should they pay?

MOAR!!!

Before Reagan tax rates, set by Kennedy. With 70% over 10 million dollars. How stupid and brainwashed are you? Those are facts, thanks to you s*** heads we get none of the benefits of fair capitalism, known as socialism everywhere but brainwashed GOP duper world.

 

[francoHFW]

"The stubborn appeal of the libertarian idea persists, despite mountains of evidence that the free market is neither efficient, nor fair, nor free from periodic catastrophe.

The Libertarian Delusion | BillMoyers.com

"In an Adam Smith world, the interplay of supply and demand yields a price that signals producers what to make and investors where to put their capital.

"The more that government interferes with this sublime discipline, the more bureaucrats deflect the market from its true path."

So where's the problem with the market?

Do you see how a market that distributes goods and services based solely on the ability to pay will exclude a large percentage of workers from being unable to buy what they produce?

You are a troll, and you misrepresent Marx.

Marx never said anything that stupid - you are making shit up and attributing it to others.

E. Germain: The Marxist Theory of Imperialism and its Critics (1955)

Yeah, when I'm looking for an expert on economics, my favorite source is a Marxist lawyer.....DERP!

Yep, if it's not GOP giveaway to the rich and screw everyone else, it's Marxist LOL. Brainwashed functional moron troll.

 

[bripat9643]

By the 1930s people had figured out that the USSR was garbage and I would like you to show me some liberals who felt bad about it falling LOL. Under Lenin until 1926 there were elements of capitalism and democracy. Stalin followed.

Yes, we know socialism was a huge failure as demonstrated by the USSR. It fails every time it's tried.

Nobody is talking about communism, brainwashed functional moron... Nobody is in favor of communism. We're talking about France Germany Sweden Canada Australia New Zealand etc or we should be. That is the answer and we are lucky in the United States that have the best natural resources the best strategic position and hard workers. But the dumbest voters. The GOP is a disgrace, Robbing the middle class and keeping us from having what every other rich country has living wage Health Care daycare paid parental leave 5-week vacation good infrastructure cheap college and training etc etc. Thanks scumbag GOP and silly dupes like you. How about an ID card to end illegal immigrat ion and taxing the rich their fair share. What a goddamn mess the GOP has made the last 35 years and brainwashed you, ignoramus.

/——/ Holey Mackrel, so much Commie propaganda in one paragraph. Let’s focus on taxing the rich their fair share. How do you define fair? What percentage of taxes should they pay?

MOAR!!!

Before Reagan tax rates, set by Kennedy. With 70% over 10 million dollars. How stupid and brainwashed are you? Those are facts, thanks to you s*** heads we get none of the benefits of fair capitalism, known as socialism everywhere but brainwashed GOP duper world.

You kill me every time you claim that socialism is capitalism:

 

[dblack]

Yes, we know socialism was a huge failure as demonstrated by the USSR. It fails every time it's tried.

Nobody is talking about communism, brainwashed functional moron... Nobody is in favor of communism. We're talking about France Germany Sweden Canada Australia New Zealand etc or we should be. That is the answer and we are lucky in the United States that have the best natural resources the best strategic position and hard workers. But the dumbest voters. The GOP is a disgrace, Robbing the middle class and keeping us from having what every other rich country has living wage Health Care daycare paid parental leave 5-week vacation good infrastructure cheap college and training etc etc. Thanks scumbag GOP and silly dupes like you. How about an ID card to end illegal immigrat ion and taxing the rich their fair share. What a goddamn mess the GOP has made the last 35 years and brainwashed you, ignoramus.

/——/ Holey Mackrel, so much Commie propaganda in one paragraph. Let’s focus on taxing the rich their fair share. How do you define fair? What percentage of taxes should they pay?

MOAR!!!

Before Reagan tax rates, set by Kennedy. With 70% over 10 million dollars. How stupid and brainwashed are you? Those are facts, thanks to you s*** heads we get none of the benefits of fair capitalism, known as socialism everywhere but brainwashed GOP duper world.

You kill me every time you claim that socialism is capitalism

Apparently, pretending it's not "really" socialism is the only way they can sell it.

 

[ph3iron]

No thanks. One need not look any further than europe to see what a travesty it is.

And how long have you lived in Europe again?
Rather be here with white bigoted zero college rubes?

Ive been several times. Yeah, Id rather be here. Thanks, at least you're showing your racist roots.

Hey you are the guy with slavery roots/ genes.
Apologies, I'm just influenced by my old white fart bar where nixxer is every 5 mins

 

[ph3iron]

Yes, we know socialism was a huge failure as demonstrated by the USSR. It fails every time it's tried.

Nobody is talking about communism, brainwashed functional moron... Nobody is in favor of communism. We're talking about France Germany Sweden Canada Australia New Zealand etc or we should be. That is the answer and we are lucky in the United States that have the best natural resources the best strategic position and hard workers. But the dumbest voters. The GOP is a disgrace, Robbing the middle class and keeping us from having what every other rich country has living wage Health Care daycare paid parental leave 5-week vacation good infrastructure cheap college and training etc etc. Thanks scumbag GOP and silly dupes like you. How about an ID card to end illegal immigrat ion and taxing the rich their fair share. What a goddamn mess the GOP has made the last 35 years and brainwashed you, ignoramus.

/——/ Holey Mackrel, so much Commie propaganda in one paragraph. Let’s focus on taxing the rich their fair share. How do you define fair? What percentage of taxes should they pay?

MOAR!!!

Before Reagan tax rates, set by Kennedy. With 70% over 10 million dollars. How stupid and brainwashed are you? Those are facts, thanks to you s*** heads we get none of the benefits of fair capitalism, known as socialism everywhere but brainwashed GOP duper world.

You kill me every time you claim that socialism is capitalism:

Keep the gov out of my Medicare as the trumpette said.

 

[danielpalos]

Nobody is talking about communism, brainwashed functional moron... Nobody is in favor of communism. We're talking about France Germany Sweden Canada Australia New Zealand etc or we should be. That is the answer and we are lucky in the United States that have the best natural resources the best strategic position and hard workers. But the dumbest voters. The GOP is a disgrace, Robbing the middle class and keeping us from having what every other rich country has living wage Health Care daycare paid parental leave 5-week vacation good infrastructure cheap college and training etc etc. Thanks scumbag GOP and silly dupes like you. How about an ID card to end illegal immigrat ion and taxing the rich their fair share. What a goddamn mess the GOP has made the last 35 years and brainwashed you, ignoramus.

/——/ Holey Mackrel, so much Commie propaganda in one paragraph. Let’s focus on taxing the rich their fair share. How do you define fair? What percentage of taxes should they pay?

MOAR!!!

Before Reagan tax rates, set by Kennedy. With 70% over 10 million dollars. How stupid and brainwashed are you? Those are facts, thanks to you s*** heads we get none of the benefits of fair capitalism, known as socialism everywhere but brainwashed GOP duper world.

You kill me every time you claim that socialism is capitalism

Apparently, pretending it's not "really" socialism is the only way they can sell it.

pretending a wall, and alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror are capitalism, is the only way they can sell it.