Who's Afraid of Socialism?

[Uncensored2008]

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{
“Well, there was something that happened at that plant where I worked for twenty years. It was when the old man died and his heirs took over. There were three of them, two sons and a daughter, and they brought a new plan to run the factory. They let us vote on it, too, and everybody—almost everybody—voted for it. We didn’t know. We thought it was good. No, that’s not true, either. We thought that we were supposed to think it was good. The plan was that everybody in the factory would work according to his ability, but would be paid according to his need.

“We voted for that plan at a big meeting, with all of us present, six thousand of us, everybody that worked in the factory. The Starnes heirs made long speeches about it, and it wasn’t too clear, but nobody asked any questions. None of us knew just how the plan would work, but every one of us thought that the next fellow knew it. And if anybody had doubts, he felt guilty and kept his mouth shut—because they made it sound like anyone who’d oppose the plan was a child-killer at heart and less than a human being. They told us that this plan would achieve a noble ideal. Well, how were we to know otherwise? Hadn’t we heard it all our lives—from our parents and our schoolteachers and our ministers, and in every newspaper we ever read and every movie and every public speech? Hadn’t we always been told that this was righteous and just? Well, maybe there’s some excuse for what we did at that meeting. Still, we voted for the plan—and what we got, we had it coming to us. You know, ma’am, we are marked men, in a way, those of us who lived through the four years of that plan in the Twentieth Century factory. What is it that hell is supposed to be? Evil—plain, naked, smirking evil, isn’t it? Well, that’s what we saw and helped to make—and I think we’re damned, every one of us, and maybe we’ll never be forgiven …

“Do you know how it worked, that plan, and what it did to people? Try pouring water into a tank where there’s a pipe at the bottom draining it out faster than you pour it, and each bucket you bring breaks that pipe an inch wider, and the harder you work the more is demanded of you, and you stand slinging buckets forty hours a week, then forty-eight, then fifty-six—for your neighbor’s supper—for his wife’s operation—for his child’s measles—for his mother’s wheel chair—for his uncle’s shirt—for his nephew’s schooling—for the baby next door—for the baby to be born—for anyone anywhere around you—it’s theirs to receive, from diapers to dentures—and yours to work, from sunup to sundown, month after month, year after year, with nothing to show for it but your sweat, with nothing in sight for you but their pleasure, for the whole of your life, without rest, without hope, without end … From each according to his ability, to each according to his need …

“We’re all one big family, they told us, we’re all in this together. But you don’t all stand working an acetylene torch ten hours a day—together, and you don’t all get a bellyache—together. What’s whose ability and which of whose needs comes first? When it’s all one pot, you can’t let any man decide what his own needs are, can you? If you did, he might claim that he needs a yacht—and if his feelings are all you have to go by, he might prove it, too. Why not? If it’s not right for me to own a car until I’ve worked myself into a hospital ward, earning a car for every loafer and every naked savage on earth – why can’t he demand a yacht from me, too, if I still have the ability not to have collapsed? No? He can’t? Then why can he demand that I go without cream for my coffee until he’s replastered his living room? … Oh well … Well, anyway, it was decided that nobody had the right to judge his own need or ability. We voted on it. Yes, ma’am, we voted on it in a public meeting twice a year. How else could it be done? Do you care to think what would happen at such a meeting? It took us just one meeting to discover that we had become beggars—rotten, whining, sniveling beggars, all of us, because no man could claim his pay as his rightful earning, he had no rights and no earnings, his work didn’t belong to him, it belonged to ‘the family’, and they owed him nothing in return, and the only claim he had on them was his ‘need’—so he had to beg in public for relief from his needs, like any lousy moocher, listing all his troubles and miseries, down to his patched drawers and his wife’s head colds, hoping that ‘the family’ would throw him the alms. He had to claim miseries, because it’s miseries, not work, that had become the coin of the realm—so it turned into a contest between six thousand panhandlers, each claiming that his need was worse than his brother’s. How else could it be done? Do you care to guess what happened, what sort of men kept quiet, feeling shame, and what sort got away with the jackpot?

“But that wasn’t all. There was something else that we discovered at the same meeting. The factory’s production had fallen by forty percent, in that first half year, so it was decided that somebody hadn’t delivered ‘according to his ability.’ Who? How would you tell it? ‘The family’ voted on that, too. We voted which men were the best, and these men were sentenced to work overtime each night for the next six months. Overtime without pay—because you weren’t paid by time and you weren’t paid by work, only by need.

“Do I have to tell you what happened after that—and into what sort of creatures we all started turning, we who had once been humans? We began to hide whatever ability we had, to slow down and watch like hawks that we never worked any faster or better than the next fellow. What else could we do, when we knew that if we did our best for ‘the family,’ it’s not thanks or rewards that we’d get, but punishment? We knew that for every stinker who’d ruin a batch of motors and cost the company money—either through his sloppiness, because he didn’t have to care, or through plain incompetence—it’s we who’d have to pay with our nights and our Sundays. So we did our best to be no good.

“There was one young boy who started out, full of fire for the noble ideal, a bright kid without any schooling, but with a wonderful head on his shoulders. The first year, he figured out a work process that saved us thousands of man-hours. He gave it to ‘the family,’ didn’t ask anything for it, either, couldn’t ask, but that was all right with him. It was for the ideal, he said. But when he found himself voted as one of our ablest and sentenced to night work, because we hadn’t gotten enough from him, he shut his mouth and his brain. You can bet he didn’t come up with any ideas, the second year.

“What was it they’d always told us about the vicious competition of the profit system, where men had to compete for who’d do a better job than his fellows? Vicious, wasn’t it? Well, they should have seen what it was like when we all had to compete with one another for who’d do the worst job possible. There’s no surer way to destroy a man than to force him into a spot where he has to aim at not doing his best, where he has to struggle to do a bad job, day after day. That will finish him quicker than drink or idleness or pulling stick-ups for a living. But there was nothing else for us to do except to fake unfitness. The one accusation we feared was to be suspected of ability. Ability was like a mortgage on you that you could never pay off. And what was there to work for? You knew that your basic pittance would be given to you anyway, whether you worked or not—your ‘housing and feeding allowance,’ it was called—and above that pittance, you had no chance to get anything, no matter how hard you tried. You couldn’t count on buying a new suit of clothes next year—they might give you a ‘clothing allowance’ or they might not, according to whether nobody broke a leg, needed an operation or gave birth to more babies. And if there wasn’t enough money for new suits for everybody, then you couldn’t get yours, either.

“There was one man who’d worked hard all his life, because he’d always wanted to send his son through college. Well, the boy graduated from high school in the second year of the plan—but ‘the family’ wouldn’t give the father any ‘allowance’ for the college. They said his son couldn’t go to college, until we had enough to send everybody’s sons to college—and that we first had to send everybody’s children through high school, and we didn’t even have enough for that. The father died the following year, in a knife fight with somebody in a saloon, a fight over nothing in particular—such fights were beginning to happen among us all the time.

“Then there was an old guy, a widower with no family, who had one hobby: phonograph records. I guess that was all he ever got out of life. In the old days, he used to skip lunch just to buy himself some new recording of classical music. Well, they didn’t give him any ‘allowance’ for records—‘personal luxury’ they called it. But at the same meeting, Millie Bush, somebody’s daughter, a mean, ugly little eight year old, was voted a pair of gold braces for her buck teeth—this was ‘medical need’ because the staff psychologist had said that the poor girl would get an inferiority complex if her teeth weren’t straightened out. The old guy who loved music, turned to drink, instead. He got so you never saw him fully conscious any more. But it seems like there was one thing he couldn’t forget. One night, he came staggering down the street, saw Millie Bush, swung his fist and knocked all her teeth out. Every one of them.

“Drink, of course, was what we all turned to, some more, some less. Don’t ask how we got the money for it. When all the decent pleasures are forbidden, there’s always ways to get the rotten ones. You don’t break into grocery stores after dark and you don’t pick your fellow’s pockets to buy classical symphonies or fishing tackle, but if it’s to get stinking drunk and forget—you do. Fishing tackle? Hunting guns? Snapshot cameras? Hobbies? There wasn’t any ‘amusement allowance’ for anybody. ‘Amusement’ was the first thing they dropped. Aren’t you supposed to be ashamed to object when anybody asks you to give up anything, if it’s something that gave you pleasure? Even our ‘tobacco allowance’ was cut to where we got two packs of cigarettes a month—and this, they told us, was because the money had to go into the babies’ milk fund. Babies was the only item of production that didn’t fall, but rose and kept on rising—because people had nothing else to do, I guess, and because they didn’t have to care, the baby wasn’t their burden, it was ‘the family’s.’ In fact, the best chance you had of getting a raise and breathing easier for a while was a ‘baby allowance.’ Either that or a major disease.

“It didn’t take us long to see how it all worked out. Any man who tried to play straight, had to refuse himself everything. He lost his taste for any pleasure, he hated to smoke a nickel’s worth of tobacco or chew a stick of gum, worrying whether somebody had more need for that nickel. He felt ashamed of every mouthful of food he swallowed, wondering whose weary nights of overtime had paid for it, knowing that his food was not his by right, miserably wishing to be cheated rather than to cheat, to be a sucker, but not a blood-sucker. He wouldn’t marry, he wouldn’t help his folks back home, he wouldn’t put an extra burden on ‘the family.’ Besides, if he still had some sort of sense of responsibility, he couldn’t marry or bring children into the world, when he could plan nothing, promise nothing, count on nothing. But the shiftless and irresponsible had a field day of it. They bred babies, they got girls into trouble, they dragged in every worthless relative they had from all over the country, every unmarried pregnant sister, for an extra ‘disability allowance,’ they got more sicknesses than any doctor could disprove, they ruined their clothing, their furniture, their homes—what the hell, ‘the family’ was paying for it! They found more ways of getting in ‘need’ than the rest of us could ever imagine—they developed a special skill for it, which was the only ability they showed.} - Atlas Shrugged

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You can say that, but it doesn't change that what she wrote in Atlas Shrugged, has happened in real life. So you can say she is full of crap until you pass out.... doesn't change the fact that she has been proven right over and over again.

You can say that, but it doesn't change that what she wrote in Atlas Shrugged, has happened in real life. So you can say she is full of crap until you pass out.... doesn't change the fact that she has been proven right over and over again

The Virtue of Stupidity: A Critique of Ayn Rand and Objectivism

You can also say her cult of Objectivism appeals more to religious bigots than anyone who's seriously searching for objective reality.

You seem to think that selecting a larger text size, somehow magically creates credibility to what you type.

You remind me of the guy that hasn't had a date in his life, but buys a sports car. Trying to compensate for something there sparky?

Regardless.... I don't understand why you keep posting stuff, that I don't care about. No matter how big your font size is, and no matter how many lame links you post.... the fact remains that we have seen Atlas Shrugged play out in real life. Rand was right. (not on everything, but on economics, she was right).

"What Happens When You Believe in Ayn Rand and Modern Economic Theory
The reality of unfettered self-interest"

What Happens When You Believe in Ayn Rand and Modern Economic Theory - Evonomics

Oooh, a psychology professor explaining why individual liberty and economic freedom are bad.

Maybe next she can tell me about my "Toxic Masculinity?"

 

[Uncensored2008]

Actually, dunce, I have a master's in history a lot of 20th century.of course lenin ruled from the top and the Soviets took orders and watched people. Saying that Lenin was really Democratic is idiocy. That was Soviet propaganda. People figured it out and then smart people stopped calling communism socialism. It is a right-wing thing. right wing propaganda Loves confusing socialism and communism and Marxism and now Nazism even. No connection to reality at all. Now everyone outside the GOP bubble Of BS knows it.

You must have gotten that masters from a Cracker Jack box. My DOG knows more history than you.

You are historically illiterate.

It's sad that this traitor ignoramus was allowed to teach his filth to children.

It's mind rape.

Public schools crush the ability to reason and punish critical thinking. Children recite by rote any bullshit the mind rapists ejaculate into their unformed conscience.

The schools follow the theories of Pavlov to turn thinking humans into drones conditioned to react to triggers.

 

[georgephillip]

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You can say that, but it doesn't change that what she wrote in Atlas Shrugged, has happened in real life. So you can say she is full of crap until you pass out.... doesn't change the fact that she has been proven right over and over again.

You can say that, but it doesn't change that what she wrote in Atlas Shrugged, has happened in real life. So you can say she is full of crap until you pass out.... doesn't change the fact that she has been proven right over and over again

The Virtue of Stupidity: A Critique of Ayn Rand and Objectivism

You can also say her cult of Objectivism appeals more to religious bigots than anyone who's seriously searching for objective reality.

You seem to think that selecting a larger text size, somehow magically creates credibility to what you type.

You remind me of the guy that hasn't had a date in his life, but buys a sports car. Trying to compensate for something there sparky?

Regardless.... I don't understand why you keep posting stuff, that I don't care about. No matter how big your font size is, and no matter how many lame links you post.... the fact remains that we have seen Atlas Shrugged play out in real life. Rand was right. (not on everything, but on economics, she was right).

"What Happens When You Believe in Ayn Rand and Modern Economic Theory
The reality of unfettered self-interest"

What Happens When You Believe in Ayn Rand and Modern Economic Theory - Evonomics

Socialist propaganda. The authors starts lying about Rand right off the bat.

Socialist propaganda. The authors starts lying about Rand right off the bat.

Is this why you believe Rand's fictions?

"'Ayn Rand is my hero,' yet another student tells me during office hours. 'Her writings freed me. They taught me to rely on no one but myself.'"

What Happens When You Believe in Ayn Rand and Modern Economic Theory - Evonomics

 

[bripat9643]

You can say that, but it doesn't change that what she wrote in Atlas Shrugged, has happened in real life. So you can say she is full of crap until you pass out.... doesn't change the fact that she has been proven right over and over again.

You can say that, but it doesn't change that what she wrote in Atlas Shrugged, has happened in real life. So you can say she is full of crap until you pass out.... doesn't change the fact that she has been proven right over and over again

The Virtue of Stupidity: A Critique of Ayn Rand and Objectivism

You can also say her cult of Objectivism appeals more to religious bigots than anyone who's seriously searching for objective reality.

You seem to think that selecting a larger text size, somehow magically creates credibility to what you type.

You remind me of the guy that hasn't had a date in his life, but buys a sports car. Trying to compensate for something there sparky?

Regardless.... I don't understand why you keep posting stuff, that I don't care about. No matter how big your font size is, and no matter how many lame links you post.... the fact remains that we have seen Atlas Shrugged play out in real life. Rand was right. (not on everything, but on economics, she was right).

"What Happens When You Believe in Ayn Rand and Modern Economic Theory
The reality of unfettered self-interest"

What Happens When You Believe in Ayn Rand and Modern Economic Theory - Evonomics

Socialist propaganda. The authors starts lying about Rand right off the bat.

Socialist propaganda. The authors starts lying about Rand right off the bat.

Is this why you believe Rand's fictions?

"'Ayn Rand is my hero,' yet another student tells me during office hours. 'Her writings freed me. They taught me to rely on no one but myself.'"

What Happens When You Believe in Ayn Rand and Modern Economic Theory - Evonomics

You need to quit reading Marxist propaganda by people who know nothing about Rand.

 

[georgephillip]

Actually, dunce, I have a master's in history a lot of 20th century.of course lenin ruled from the top and the Soviets took orders and watched people. Saying that Lenin was really Democratic is idiocy. That was Soviet propaganda. People figured it out and then smart people stopped calling communism socialism. It is a right-wing thing. right wing propaganda Loves confusing socialism and communism and Marxism and now Nazism even. No connection to reality at all. Now everyone outside the GOP bubble Of BS knows it.

You must have gotten that masters from a Cracker Jack box. My DOG knows more history than you.

You are historically illiterate.

It's sad that this traitor ignoramus was allowed to teach his filth to children.

It's mind rape.

Public schools crush the ability to reason and punish critical thinking. Children recite by rote any bullshit the mind rapists ejaculate into their unformed conscience.

The schools follow the theories of Pavlov to turn thinking humans into drones conditioned to react to triggers.

It's mind rape.

Public schools crush the ability to reason and punish critical thinking. Children recite by rote any bullshit the mind rapists ejaculate into their unformed conscience.

The schools follow the theories of Pavlov to turn thinking humans into drones conditioned to react to triggers.

Who gets rich from that form of education? Capitalists who rely on a labor force reduced to the status of a commodity, or those who recognize capitalism has outlived any usefulness it ever possessed, and the time has come for the next evolutionary economic stage?

Historical materialism - Wikipedia

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Actually, dunce, I have a master's in history a lot of 20th century.of course lenin ruled from the top and the Soviets took orders and watched people. Saying that Lenin was really Democratic is idiocy. That was Soviet propaganda. People figured it out and then smart people stopped calling communism socialism. It is a right-wing thing. right wing propaganda Loves confusing socialism and communism and Marxism and now Nazism even. No connection to reality at all. Now everyone outside the GOP bubble Of BS knows it.

You must have gotten that masters from a Cracker Jack box. My DOG knows more history than you.

You are historically illiterate.

It's sad that this traitor ignoramus was allowed to teach his filth to children.

It's mind rape.

Public schools crush the ability to reason and punish critical thinking. Children recite by rote any bullshit the mind rapists ejaculate into their unformed conscience.

The schools follow the theories of Pavlov to turn thinking humans into drones conditioned to react to triggers.

It's mind rape.

Public schools crush the ability to reason and punish critical thinking. Children recite by rote any bullshit the mind rapists ejaculate into their unformed conscience.

The schools follow the theories of Pavlov to turn thinking humans into drones conditioned to react to triggers.

Who gets rich from that form of education? Capitalists who rely on a labor force reduced to the status of a commodity, or those who recognize capitalism has outlived any usefulness it ever possessed, and the time has come for the next evolutionary economic stage?

Historical materialism - Wikipedia

Capitalists who rely on a labor force reduced to the status of a commodity,

What was the work force in the gulag?
What's the level below commodity?

 

[Andylusion]

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“Well, there was something that happened at that plant where I worked for twenty years. It was when the old man died and his heirs took over. There were three of them, two sons and a daughter, and they brought a new plan to run the factory. They let us vote on it, too, and everybody—almost everybody—voted for it. We didn’t know. We thought it was good. No, that’s not true, either. We thought that we were supposed to think it was good. The plan was that everybody in the factory would work according to his ability, but would be paid according to his need.

“We voted for that plan at a big meeting, with all of us present, six thousand of us, everybody that worked in the factory. The Starnes heirs made long speeches about it, and it wasn’t too clear, but nobody asked any questions. None of us knew just how the plan would work, but every one of us thought that the next fellow knew it. And if anybody had doubts, he felt guilty and kept his mouth shut—because they made it sound like anyone who’d oppose the plan was a child-killer at heart and less than a human being. They told us that this plan would achieve a noble ideal. Well, how were we to know otherwise? Hadn’t we heard it all our lives—from our parents and our schoolteachers and our ministers, and in every newspaper we ever read and every movie and every public speech? Hadn’t we always been told that this was righteous and just? Well, maybe there’s some excuse for what we did at that meeting. Still, we voted for the plan—and what we got, we had it coming to us. You know, ma’am, we are marked men, in a way, those of us who lived through the four years of that plan in the Twentieth Century factory. What is it that hell is supposed to be? Evil—plain, naked, smirking evil, isn’t it? Well, that’s what we saw and helped to make—and I think we’re damned, every one of us, and maybe we’ll never be forgiven …

“Do you know how it worked, that plan, and what it did to people? Try pouring water into a tank where there’s a pipe at the bottom draining it out faster than you pour it, and each bucket you bring breaks that pipe an inch wider, and the harder you work the more is demanded of you, and you stand slinging buckets forty hours a week, then forty-eight, then fifty-six—for your neighbor’s supper—for his wife’s operation—for his child’s measles—for his mother’s wheel chair—for his uncle’s shirt—for his nephew’s schooling—for the baby next door—for the baby to be born—for anyone anywhere around you—it’s theirs to receive, from diapers to dentures—and yours to work, from sunup to sundown, month after month, year after year, with nothing to show for it but your sweat, with nothing in sight for you but their pleasure, for the whole of your life, without rest, without hope, without end … From each according to his ability, to each according to his need …

“We’re all one big family, they told us, we’re all in this together. But you don’t all stand working an acetylene torch ten hours a day—together, and you don’t all get a bellyache—together. What’s whose ability and which of whose needs comes first? When it’s all one pot, you can’t let any man decide what his own needs are, can you? If you did, he might claim that he needs a yacht—and if his feelings are all you have to go by, he might prove it, too. Why not? If it’s not right for me to own a car until I’ve worked myself into a hospital ward, earning a car for every loafer and every naked savage on earth – why can’t he demand a yacht from me, too, if I still have the ability not to have collapsed? No? He can’t? Then why can he demand that I go without cream for my coffee until he’s replastered his living room? … Oh well … Well, anyway, it was decided that nobody had the right to judge his own need or ability. We voted on it. Yes, ma’am, we voted on it in a public meeting twice a year. How else could it be done? Do you care to think what would happen at such a meeting? It took us just one meeting to discover that we had become beggars—rotten, whining, sniveling beggars, all of us, because no man could claim his pay as his rightful earning, he had no rights and no earnings, his work didn’t belong to him, it belonged to ‘the family’, and they owed him nothing in return, and the only claim he had on them was his ‘need’—so he had to beg in public for relief from his needs, like any lousy moocher, listing all his troubles and miseries, down to his patched drawers and his wife’s head colds, hoping that ‘the family’ would throw him the alms. He had to claim miseries, because it’s miseries, not work, that had become the coin of the realm—so it turned into a contest between six thousand panhandlers, each claiming that his need was worse than his brother’s. How else could it be done? Do you care to guess what happened, what sort of men kept quiet, feeling shame, and what sort got away with the jackpot?

“But that wasn’t all. There was something else that we discovered at the same meeting. The factory’s production had fallen by forty percent, in that first half year, so it was decided that somebody hadn’t delivered ‘according to his ability.’ Who? How would you tell it? ‘The family’ voted on that, too. We voted which men were the best, and these men were sentenced to work overtime each night for the next six months. Overtime without pay—because you weren’t paid by time and you weren’t paid by work, only by need.

“Do I have to tell you what happened after that—and into what sort of creatures we all started turning, we who had once been humans? We began to hide whatever ability we had, to slow down and watch like hawks that we never worked any faster or better than the next fellow. What else could we do, when we knew that if we did our best for ‘the family,’ it’s not thanks or rewards that we’d get, but punishment? We knew that for every stinker who’d ruin a batch of motors and cost the company money—either through his sloppiness, because he didn’t have to care, or through plain incompetence—it’s we who’d have to pay with our nights and our Sundays. So we did our best to be no good.

“There was one young boy who started out, full of fire for the noble ideal, a bright kid without any schooling, but with a wonderful head on his shoulders. The first year, he figured out a work process that saved us thousands of man-hours. He gave it to ‘the family,’ didn’t ask anything for it, either, couldn’t ask, but that was all right with him. It was for the ideal, he said. But when he found himself voted as one of our ablest and sentenced to night work, because we hadn’t gotten enough from him, he shut his mouth and his brain. You can bet he didn’t come up with any ideas, the second year.

“What was it they’d always told us about the vicious competition of the profit system, where men had to compete for who’d do a better job than his fellows? Vicious, wasn’t it? Well, they should have seen what it was like when we all had to compete with one another for who’d do the worst job possible. There’s no surer way to destroy a man than to force him into a spot where he has to aim at not doing his best, where he has to struggle to do a bad job, day after day. That will finish him quicker than drink or idleness or pulling stick-ups for a living. But there was nothing else for us to do except to fake unfitness. The one accusation we feared was to be suspected of ability. Ability was like a mortgage on you that you could never pay off. And what was there to work for? You knew that your basic pittance would be given to you anyway, whether you worked or not—your ‘housing and feeding allowance,’ it was called—and above that pittance, you had no chance to get anything, no matter how hard you tried. You couldn’t count on buying a new suit of clothes next year—they might give you a ‘clothing allowance’ or they might not, according to whether nobody broke a leg, needed an operation or gave birth to more babies. And if there wasn’t enough money for new suits for everybody, then you couldn’t get yours, either.

“There was one man who’d worked hard all his life, because he’d always wanted to send his son through college. Well, the boy graduated from high school in the second year of the plan—but ‘the family’ wouldn’t give the father any ‘allowance’ for the college. They said his son couldn’t go to college, until we had enough to send everybody’s sons to college—and that we first had to send everybody’s children through high school, and we didn’t even have enough for that. The father died the following year, in a knife fight with somebody in a saloon, a fight over nothing in particular—such fights were beginning to happen among us all the time.

“Then there was an old guy, a widower with no family, who had one hobby: phonograph records. I guess that was all he ever got out of life. In the old days, he used to skip lunch just to buy himself some new recording of classical music. Well, they didn’t give him any ‘allowance’ for records—‘personal luxury’ they called it. But at the same meeting, Millie Bush, somebody’s daughter, a mean, ugly little eight year old, was voted a pair of gold braces for her buck teeth—this was ‘medical need’ because the staff psychologist had said that the poor girl would get an inferiority complex if her teeth weren’t straightened out. The old guy who loved music, turned to drink, instead. He got so you never saw him fully conscious any more. But it seems like there was one thing he couldn’t forget. One night, he came staggering down the street, saw Millie Bush, swung his fist and knocked all her teeth out. Every one of them.

“Drink, of course, was what we all turned to, some more, some less. Don’t ask how we got the money for it. When all the decent pleasures are forbidden, there’s always ways to get the rotten ones. You don’t break into grocery stores after dark and you don’t pick your fellow’s pockets to buy classical symphonies or fishing tackle, but if it’s to get stinking drunk and forget—you do. Fishing tackle? Hunting guns? Snapshot cameras? Hobbies? There wasn’t any ‘amusement allowance’ for anybody. ‘Amusement’ was the first thing they dropped. Aren’t you supposed to be ashamed to object when anybody asks you to give up anything, if it’s something that gave you pleasure? Even our ‘tobacco allowance’ was cut to where we got two packs of cigarettes a month—and this, they told us, was because the money had to go into the babies’ milk fund. Babies was the only item of production that didn’t fall, but rose and kept on rising—because people had nothing else to do, I guess, and because they didn’t have to care, the baby wasn’t their burden, it was ‘the family’s.’ In fact, the best chance you had of getting a raise and breathing easier for a while was a ‘baby allowance.’ Either that or a major disease.

“It didn’t take us long to see how it all worked out. Any man who tried to play straight, had to refuse himself everything. He lost his taste for any pleasure, he hated to smoke a nickel’s worth of tobacco or chew a stick of gum, worrying whether somebody had more need for that nickel. He felt ashamed of every mouthful of food he swallowed, wondering whose weary nights of overtime had paid for it, knowing that his food was not his by right, miserably wishing to be cheated rather than to cheat, to be a sucker, but not a blood-sucker. He wouldn’t marry, he wouldn’t help his folks back home, he wouldn’t put an extra burden on ‘the family.’ Besides, if he still had some sort of sense of responsibility, he couldn’t marry or bring children into the world, when he could plan nothing, promise nothing, count on nothing. But the shiftless and irresponsible had a field day of it. They bred babies, they got girls into trouble, they dragged in every worthless relative they had from all over the country, every unmarried pregnant sister, for an extra ‘disability allowance,’ they got more sicknesses than any doctor could disprove, they ruined their clothing, their furniture, their homes—what the hell, ‘the family’ was paying for it! They found more ways of getting in ‘need’ than the rest of us could ever imagine—they developed a special skill for it, which was the only ability they showed.} - Atlas Shrugged

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You can say that, but it doesn't change that what she wrote in Atlas Shrugged, has happened in real life. So you can say she is full of crap until you pass out.... doesn't change the fact that she has been proven right over and over again.

You can say that, but it doesn't change that what she wrote in Atlas Shrugged, has happened in real life. So you can say she is full of crap until you pass out.... doesn't change the fact that she has been proven right over and over again

The Virtue of Stupidity: A Critique of Ayn Rand and Objectivism

You can also say her cult of Objectivism appeals more to religious bigots than anyone who's seriously searching for objective reality.

You seem to think that selecting a larger text size, somehow magically creates credibility to what you type.

You remind me of the guy that hasn't had a date in his life, but buys a sports car. Trying to compensate for something there sparky?

Regardless.... I don't understand why you keep posting stuff, that I don't care about. No matter how big your font size is, and no matter how many lame links you post.... the fact remains that we have seen Atlas Shrugged play out in real life. Rand was right. (not on everything, but on economics, she was right).

"What Happens When You Believe in Ayn Rand and Modern Economic Theory
The reality of unfettered self-interest"

What Happens When You Believe in Ayn Rand and Modern Economic Theory - Evonomics

And yet you still can't argue against the fact that what she said would happen, happened.

 

[Andylusion]

Actually, dunce, I have a master's in history a lot of 20th century.of course lenin ruled from the top and the Soviets took orders and watched people. Saying that Lenin was really Democratic is idiocy. That was Soviet propaganda. People figured it out and then smart people stopped calling communism socialism. It is a right-wing thing. right wing propaganda Loves confusing socialism and communism and Marxism and now Nazism even. No connection to reality at all. Now everyone outside the GOP bubble Of BS knows it.

You must have gotten that masters from a Cracker Jack box. My DOG knows more history than you.

You are historically illiterate.

It's sad that this traitor ignoramus was allowed to teach his filth to children.

It's mind rape.

Public schools crush the ability to reason and punish critical thinking. Children recite by rote any bullshit the mind rapists ejaculate into their unformed conscience.

The schools follow the theories of Pavlov to turn thinking humans into drones conditioned to react to triggers.

It's mind rape.

Public schools crush the ability to reason and punish critical thinking. Children recite by rote any bullshit the mind rapists ejaculate into their unformed conscience.

The schools follow the theories of Pavlov to turn thinking humans into drones conditioned to react to triggers.

Who gets rich from that form of education? Capitalists who rely on a labor force reduced to the status of a commodity, or those who recognize capitalism has outlived any usefulness it ever possessed, and the time has come for the next evolutionary economic stage?

Historical materialism - Wikipedia

Capitalists who rely on a labor force reduced to the status of a commodity,

What was the work force in the gulag?
What's the level below commodity?

He has absolutely no idea what he is posting.
I'm starting to wonder if this guy is a bot.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You must have gotten that masters from a Cracker Jack box. My DOG knows more history than you.

You are historically illiterate.

It's sad that this traitor ignoramus was allowed to teach his filth to children.

It's mind rape.

Public schools crush the ability to reason and punish critical thinking. Children recite by rote any bullshit the mind rapists ejaculate into their unformed conscience.

The schools follow the theories of Pavlov to turn thinking humans into drones conditioned to react to triggers.

It's mind rape.

Public schools crush the ability to reason and punish critical thinking. Children recite by rote any bullshit the mind rapists ejaculate into their unformed conscience.

The schools follow the theories of Pavlov to turn thinking humans into drones conditioned to react to triggers.

Who gets rich from that form of education? Capitalists who rely on a labor force reduced to the status of a commodity, or those who recognize capitalism has outlived any usefulness it ever possessed, and the time has come for the next evolutionary economic stage?

Historical materialism - Wikipedia

Capitalists who rely on a labor force reduced to the status of a commodity,

What was the work force in the gulag?
What's the level below commodity?

He has absolutely no idea what he is posting.
I'm starting to wonder if this guy is a bot.

It's too dumb to be a bot.

 

[georgephillip]

The Virtue of Stupidity: A Critique of Ayn Rand and Objectivism

You can also say her cult of Objectivism appeals more to religious bigots than anyone who's seriously searching for objective reality.

You seem to think that selecting a larger text size, somehow magically creates credibility to what you type.

You remind me of the guy that hasn't had a date in his life, but buys a sports car. Trying to compensate for something there sparky?

Regardless.... I don't understand why you keep posting stuff, that I don't care about. No matter how big your font size is, and no matter how many lame links you post.... the fact remains that we have seen Atlas Shrugged play out in real life. Rand was right. (not on everything, but on economics, she was right).

"What Happens When You Believe in Ayn Rand and Modern Economic Theory
The reality of unfettered self-interest"

What Happens When You Believe in Ayn Rand and Modern Economic Theory - Evonomics

Socialist propaganda. The authors starts lying about Rand right off the bat.

Socialist propaganda. The authors starts lying about Rand right off the bat.

Is this why you believe Rand's fictions?

"'Ayn Rand is my hero,' yet another student tells me during office hours. 'Her writings freed me. They taught me to rely on no one but myself.'"

What Happens When You Believe in Ayn Rand and Modern Economic Theory - Evonomics

You need to quit reading Marxist propaganda by people who know nothing about Rand.

How do you understand this example of Randian Reasoning?

What Happens When You Believe in Ayn Rand and Modern Economic Theory - Evonomics

"In 'Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal,' Rand put it this way:

"Collectivism is the tribal premise of primordial savages who, unable to conceive of individual rights, believed that the tribe is a supreme, omnipotent ruler, that it owns the lives of its members and may sacrifice them whenever it pleases."

Are you in favor of removing all religious and political controls that inhibit individuals from pursing self-interest?

 

[Andylusion]

It's sad that this traitor ignoramus was allowed to teach his filth to children.

It's mind rape.

Public schools crush the ability to reason and punish critical thinking. Children recite by rote any bullshit the mind rapists ejaculate into their unformed conscience.

The schools follow the theories of Pavlov to turn thinking humans into drones conditioned to react to triggers.

It's mind rape.

Public schools crush the ability to reason and punish critical thinking. Children recite by rote any bullshit the mind rapists ejaculate into their unformed conscience.

The schools follow the theories of Pavlov to turn thinking humans into drones conditioned to react to triggers.

Who gets rich from that form of education? Capitalists who rely on a labor force reduced to the status of a commodity, or those who recognize capitalism has outlived any usefulness it ever possessed, and the time has come for the next evolutionary economic stage?

Historical materialism - Wikipedia

Capitalists who rely on a labor force reduced to the status of a commodity,

What was the work force in the gulag?
What's the level below commodity?

He has absolutely no idea what he is posting.
I'm starting to wonder if this guy is a bot.

It's too dumb to be a bot.

That's a good point. Someone smart enough to make a bot, would also be smart enough to have the bot post more intelligent arguments.

 

[bripat9643]

Actually, dunce, I have a master's in history a lot of 20th century.of course lenin ruled from the top and the Soviets took orders and watched people. Saying that Lenin was really Democratic is idiocy. That was Soviet propaganda. People figured it out and then smart people stopped calling communism socialism. It is a right-wing thing. right wing propaganda Loves confusing socialism and communism and Marxism and now Nazism even. No connection to reality at all. Now everyone outside the GOP bubble Of BS knows it.

You must have gotten that masters from a Cracker Jack box. My DOG knows more history than you.

You are historically illiterate.

It's sad that this traitor ignoramus was allowed to teach his filth to children.

It's mind rape.

Public schools crush the ability to reason and punish critical thinking. Children recite by rote any bullshit the mind rapists ejaculate into their unformed conscience.

The schools follow the theories of Pavlov to turn thinking humans into drones conditioned to react to triggers.

It's mind rape.

Public schools crush the ability to reason and punish critical thinking. Children recite by rote any bullshit the mind rapists ejaculate into their unformed conscience.

The schools follow the theories of Pavlov to turn thinking humans into drones conditioned to react to triggers.

Who gets rich from that form of education? Capitalists who rely on a labor force reduced to the status of a commodity, or those who recognize capitalism has outlived any usefulness it ever possessed, and the time has come for the next evolutionary economic stage?

Historical materialism - Wikipedia

The path down the toilet bowl.

 

[bripat9643]

You seem to think that selecting a larger text size, somehow magically creates credibility to what you type.

You remind me of the guy that hasn't had a date in his life, but buys a sports car. Trying to compensate for something there sparky?

Regardless.... I don't understand why you keep posting stuff, that I don't care about. No matter how big your font size is, and no matter how many lame links you post.... the fact remains that we have seen Atlas Shrugged play out in real life. Rand was right. (not on everything, but on economics, she was right).

"What Happens When You Believe in Ayn Rand and Modern Economic Theory
The reality of unfettered self-interest"

What Happens When You Believe in Ayn Rand and Modern Economic Theory - Evonomics

Socialist propaganda. The authors starts lying about Rand right off the bat.

Socialist propaganda. The authors starts lying about Rand right off the bat.

Is this why you believe Rand's fictions?

"'Ayn Rand is my hero,' yet another student tells me during office hours. 'Her writings freed me. They taught me to rely on no one but myself.'"

What Happens When You Believe in Ayn Rand and Modern Economic Theory - Evonomics

You need to quit reading Marxist propaganda by people who know nothing about Rand.

How do you understand this example of Randian Reasoning?

What Happens When You Believe in Ayn Rand and Modern Economic Theory - Evonomics

"In 'Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal,' Rand put it this way:

"Collectivism is the tribal premise of primordial savages who, unable to conceive of individual rights, believed that the tribe is a supreme, omnipotent ruler, that it owns the lives of its members and may sacrifice them whenever it pleases."

Are you in favor of removing all religious and political controls that inhibit individuals from pursing self-interest?

Yes. What's the harm in pursuing self interest?

 

[Andylusion]

You seem to think that selecting a larger text size, somehow magically creates credibility to what you type.

You remind me of the guy that hasn't had a date in his life, but buys a sports car. Trying to compensate for something there sparky?

Regardless.... I don't understand why you keep posting stuff, that I don't care about. No matter how big your font size is, and no matter how many lame links you post.... the fact remains that we have seen Atlas Shrugged play out in real life. Rand was right. (not on everything, but on economics, she was right).

"What Happens When You Believe in Ayn Rand and Modern Economic Theory
The reality of unfettered self-interest"

What Happens When You Believe in Ayn Rand and Modern Economic Theory - Evonomics

Socialist propaganda. The authors starts lying about Rand right off the bat.

Socialist propaganda. The authors starts lying about Rand right off the bat.

Is this why you believe Rand's fictions?

"'Ayn Rand is my hero,' yet another student tells me during office hours. 'Her writings freed me. They taught me to rely on no one but myself.'"

What Happens When You Believe in Ayn Rand and Modern Economic Theory - Evonomics

You need to quit reading Marxist propaganda by people who know nothing about Rand.

How do you understand this example of Randian Reasoning?

What Happens When You Believe in Ayn Rand and Modern Economic Theory - Evonomics

"In 'Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal,' Rand put it this way:

"Collectivism is the tribal premise of primordial savages who, unable to conceive of individual rights, believed that the tribe is a supreme, omnipotent ruler, that it owns the lives of its members and may sacrifice them whenever it pleases."

Are you in favor of removing all religious and political controls that inhibit individuals from pursing self-interest?

No, yes. The idea of 'religious controls' in western culture is a joke. If you don't want to follow a religion, there is nothing more to be done, than to stop showing up the following week.

As far as political controls, yes of course. Are you saying you don't believe in individual rights?

Now keep in mind that we're talking about non-crime actions. Of course I still want 'controls' on murder. However the difference between murder, and earning a million dollars, and keeping that money, and passing that money onto my grand kids.... is that murder violates the individual rights of another person. Earning money and keeping it, and passing it on to who I choose, does not.

Just like choosing who I bake a cake for, is my individual right. You don't have a right to my labor, to bake you a wedding cake.

So, yes absolutely I support removing all political controls that inhibit individual rights.

 

[georgephillip]

/lit/ - Literature - Search:

You can say that, but it doesn't change that what she wrote in Atlas Shrugged, has happened in real life. So you can say she is full of crap until you pass out.... doesn't change the fact that she has been proven right over and over again.

You can say that, but it doesn't change that what she wrote in Atlas Shrugged, has happened in real life. So you can say she is full of crap until you pass out.... doesn't change the fact that she has been proven right over and over again

The Virtue of Stupidity: A Critique of Ayn Rand and Objectivism

You can also say her cult of Objectivism appeals more to religious bigots than anyone who's seriously searching for objective reality.

You seem to think that selecting a larger text size, somehow magically creates credibility to what you type.

You remind me of the guy that hasn't had a date in his life, but buys a sports car. Trying to compensate for something there sparky?

Regardless.... I don't understand why you keep posting stuff, that I don't care about. No matter how big your font size is, and no matter how many lame links you post.... the fact remains that we have seen Atlas Shrugged play out in real life. Rand was right. (not on everything, but on economics, she was right).

"What Happens When You Believe in Ayn Rand and Modern Economic Theory
The reality of unfettered self-interest"

What Happens When You Believe in Ayn Rand and Modern Economic Theory - Evonomics

Oooh, a psychology professor explaining why individual liberty and economic freedom are bad.

Maybe next she can tell me about my "Toxic Masculinity?"

Ayn Rand and the Celebration of Shittiness – TheFreeCities

 

[Uncensored2008]

/lit/ - Literature - Search:

You can say that, but it doesn't change that what she wrote in Atlas Shrugged, has happened in real life. So you can say she is full of crap until you pass out.... doesn't change the fact that she has been proven right over and over again.

You can say that, but it doesn't change that what she wrote in Atlas Shrugged, has happened in real life. So you can say she is full of crap until you pass out.... doesn't change the fact that she has been proven right over and over again

The Virtue of Stupidity: A Critique of Ayn Rand and Objectivism

You can also say her cult of Objectivism appeals more to religious bigots than anyone who's seriously searching for objective reality.

You seem to think that selecting a larger text size, somehow magically creates credibility to what you type.

You remind me of the guy that hasn't had a date in his life, but buys a sports car. Trying to compensate for something there sparky?

Regardless.... I don't understand why you keep posting stuff, that I don't care about. No matter how big your font size is, and no matter how many lame links you post.... the fact remains that we have seen Atlas Shrugged play out in real life. Rand was right. (not on everything, but on economics, she was right).

"What Happens When You Believe in Ayn Rand and Modern Economic Theory
The reality of unfettered self-interest"

What Happens When You Believe in Ayn Rand and Modern Economic Theory - Evonomics

And yet you still can't argue against the fact that what she said would happen, happened.

None of them can honestly argue against anything she wrote.

That is why ad hominem is all you will find in these Marxist attack articles.

 

[Uncensored2008]

You can say that, but it doesn't change that what she wrote in Atlas Shrugged, has happened in real life. So you can say she is full of crap until you pass out.... doesn't change the fact that she has been proven right over and over again.

You can say that, but it doesn't change that what she wrote in Atlas Shrugged, has happened in real life. So you can say she is full of crap until you pass out.... doesn't change the fact that she has been proven right over and over again

The Virtue of Stupidity: A Critique of Ayn Rand and Objectivism

You can also say her cult of Objectivism appeals more to religious bigots than anyone who's seriously searching for objective reality.

You seem to think that selecting a larger text size, somehow magically creates credibility to what you type.

You remind me of the guy that hasn't had a date in his life, but buys a sports car. Trying to compensate for something there sparky?

Regardless.... I don't understand why you keep posting stuff, that I don't care about. No matter how big your font size is, and no matter how many lame links you post.... the fact remains that we have seen Atlas Shrugged play out in real life. Rand was right. (not on everything, but on economics, she was right).

"What Happens When You Believe in Ayn Rand and Modern Economic Theory
The reality of unfettered self-interest"

What Happens When You Believe in Ayn Rand and Modern Economic Theory - Evonomics

Oooh, a psychology professor explaining why individual liberty and economic freedom are bad.

Maybe next she can tell me about my "Toxic Masculinity?"

Ayn Rand and the Celebration of Shittiness – TheFreeCities

Comrade, linking to other message boards violates the TOS.

Support your hate with more mainstream sources.

 

[georgephillip]

"What Happens When You Believe in Ayn Rand and Modern Economic Theory
The reality of unfettered self-interest"

What Happens When You Believe in Ayn Rand and Modern Economic Theory - Evonomics

Socialist propaganda. The authors starts lying about Rand right off the bat.

Socialist propaganda. The authors starts lying about Rand right off the bat.

Is this why you believe Rand's fictions?

"'Ayn Rand is my hero,' yet another student tells me during office hours. 'Her writings freed me. They taught me to rely on no one but myself.'"

What Happens When You Believe in Ayn Rand and Modern Economic Theory - Evonomics

You need to quit reading Marxist propaganda by people who know nothing about Rand.

How do you understand this example of Randian Reasoning?

What Happens When You Believe in Ayn Rand and Modern Economic Theory - Evonomics

"In 'Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal,' Rand put it this way:

"Collectivism is the tribal premise of primordial savages who, unable to conceive of individual rights, believed that the tribe is a supreme, omnipotent ruler, that it owns the lives of its members and may sacrifice them whenever it pleases."

Are you in favor of removing all religious and political controls that inhibit individuals from pursing self-interest?

No, yes. The idea of 'religious controls' in western culture is a joke. If you don't want to follow a religion, there is nothing more to be done, than to stop showing up the following week.

As far as political controls, yes of course. Are you saying you don't believe in individual rights?

Now keep in mind that we're talking about non-crime actions. Of course I still want 'controls' on murder. However the difference between murder, and earning a million dollars, and keeping that money, and passing that money onto my grand kids.... is that murder violates the individual rights of another person. Earning money and keeping it, and passing it on to who I choose, does not.

Just like choosing who I bake a cake for, is my individual right. You don't have a right to my labor, to bake you a wedding cake.

So, yes absolutely I support removing all political controls that inhibit individual rights.

No, yes. The idea of 'religious controls' in western culture is a joke. If you don't want to follow a religion, there is nothing more to be done, than to stop showing up the following week.

Are you smart enough to understand the world is getting more religious because the poor go for god? Religion thrives in places where liberal individualism fails; think of it as the real clash of civilizations, if you can.

 

[bripat9643]

Socialist propaganda. The authors starts lying about Rand right off the bat.

Socialist propaganda. The authors starts lying about Rand right off the bat.

Is this why you believe Rand's fictions?

"'Ayn Rand is my hero,' yet another student tells me during office hours. 'Her writings freed me. They taught me to rely on no one but myself.'"

What Happens When You Believe in Ayn Rand and Modern Economic Theory - Evonomics

You need to quit reading Marxist propaganda by people who know nothing about Rand.

How do you understand this example of Randian Reasoning?

What Happens When You Believe in Ayn Rand and Modern Economic Theory - Evonomics

"In 'Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal,' Rand put it this way:

"Collectivism is the tribal premise of primordial savages who, unable to conceive of individual rights, believed that the tribe is a supreme, omnipotent ruler, that it owns the lives of its members and may sacrifice them whenever it pleases."

Are you in favor of removing all religious and political controls that inhibit individuals from pursing self-interest?

No, yes. The idea of 'religious controls' in western culture is a joke. If you don't want to follow a religion, there is nothing more to be done, than to stop showing up the following week.

As far as political controls, yes of course. Are you saying you don't believe in individual rights?

Now keep in mind that we're talking about non-crime actions. Of course I still want 'controls' on murder. However the difference between murder, and earning a million dollars, and keeping that money, and passing that money onto my grand kids.... is that murder violates the individual rights of another person. Earning money and keeping it, and passing it on to who I choose, does not.

Just like choosing who I bake a cake for, is my individual right. You don't have a right to my labor, to bake you a wedding cake.

So, yes absolutely I support removing all political controls that inhibit individual rights.

No, yes. The idea of 'religious controls' in western culture is a joke. If you don't want to follow a religion, there is nothing more to be done, than to stop showing up the following week.

Are you smart enough to understand the world is getting more religious because the poor go for god? Religion thrives in places where liberal individualism fails; think of it as the real clash of civilizations, if you can.

The world is getting less religious, moron. That's what all the surveys show.

 

[georgephillip]

Comrade, linking to other message boards violates the TOS.

Support your hate with more mainstream sources

What other message board are you referring to, Kulak?
Another of your toxic capitalist delusions?