Who's Responsible for Civilian Deaths in Gaza?

[Synthaholic]

Where's the part where Isreal gave it back for a chance at peace??

Ummm.....

That map is incomplete. You forgot the part in which Israel returned the Sinai desert to Egypt for a chance at peace.

...which has nothing to do with Palestinian land.

 

[Synthaholic]

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/greater_israel_files/after1967.gif

The whole Sinai desert was given back.

The Abu Rudeis and Ra's Sudr oil fields in the Sinai, captured by Israel in 1967, were returned to Egyptian control in November 1975, and the remaining Sinai oil fields reverted to Egyptian control by the end of April 1982. As of 2005,

Energy in Egypt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Israel could have kept the oil reserves, but they chose to give it back for a peace treaty.

Yeah. Irrelevant.

 

[Crystalclear]

Ummm.....

That map is incomplete. You forgot the part in which Israel returned the Sinai desert to Egypt for a chance at peace.

...which has nothing to do with Palestinian land.

If Egypt demanded the return of Palestinian land for peace, Israel would have done it.

 

[Crystalclear]

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/greater_israel_files/after1967.gif

The whole Sinai desert was given back.

The Abu Rudeis and Ra's Sudr oil fields in the Sinai, captured by Israel in 1967, were returned to Egyptian control in November 1975, and the remaining Sinai oil fields reverted to Egyptian control by the end of April 1982. As of 2005,

Energy in Egypt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Israel could have kept the oil reserves, but they chose to give it back for a peace treaty.

Yeah. Irrelevant.

It is relevant. It shows that Israel wanted to return land for a peace treaty. If Egypt demanded return of Palestinian (there wasn't really a Palestine anymore, it was already occupied by Egypt and Jordan before the Six Day War and the land was occupied from Egypt and Jordan) land, Israel would have done it.

 

[BillyP]

Ummm.....

That map is incomplete. You forgot the part in which Israel returned the Sinai desert to Egypt for a chance at peace.

...which has nothing to do with Palestinian land.

What this map tells us is the longer the Pals fight, the more land they'll lose. Their best bet would have been to surrender years ago.

 

[skookerasbil]

Did anybody else split their sides laughing at what Jimmy Carter said yesterday????


Jimmy Carter calls for recognizing terror group Hamas



Ummmm.......think its time for this family to have that end of life Jesus meeting!!!

 

[skookerasbil]

Lets solve this shit.......build a man-made island off the coast and let the subhumans have at it. Might take 5 years to build.......say 3 miles out!! Let them try to build tunnels then!!

 

[Statistikhengst]

I think it is funny how the lying godless liberals do not even know or care that Israel has not been in Gaza since 2005.

During the first period (2005-2007), Israel removed all of its troops from Gaza.

It also removed all of its settlers.

The settlers left behind greenhouses, farm equipment and other valuable civilian assets worth millions of dollars.

The Palestinians of Gaza were free to come and go as they pleased, to conduct free elections, and to import construction and other economic material in order to build a viable Palestinian entity to help their citizens. European donors sent them money and other resources, hoping that they would use them to create jobs, schools, hospitals and other necessary infrastructure.

To be sure, Israel maintained control over its border with Gaza, with checkpoints and security fences, but it opened its border to Palestinian residents of Gaza who came to work in Israel. During that period, numerous Gazans came into Israel to work and came back to Gaza with good salaries to feed their families.

During the same period many Gazans went to Egypt and other countries.

Israeli disengagement from Gaza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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As I have mentioned over and over again. Liberals, could not possibly care less about the plight of any of these poor people. Remember, they are the same fucktards that wish saddam was still alive and in power. Yes, they do, don't they? Or is it that they don't wish that, but........


Yes, in 2005 Israel uprooted from Gaza completely. Yet, more than 10,000 missiles have been fired upon Israel and their citizens are deliberately targeted.

On January 25, 2006, the Palestinian Authority held elections. Gazans were free to vote and did in fact vote in large numbers for Hamas, which achieved a significant political victory. But that wasn’t enough for Hamas, which conducted a bloody coup d’etat in which numerous Palestinian civilians who were associated with the Palestinian Authority were killed.

Hamas also resumed rocket attacks against Israeli civilians and increased its building of terrorist tunnels into Israel, which it used to kill and kidnap Israelis. It was only after these acts of war by Hamas that Israel instituted its blockade in 2007 – nearly two years after it ended its occupation.

So the truth is that the blockade has not been the cause of Hamas’ rocket and tunnel attacks. The blockade has been the result of these attacks. It is an entirely legitimate defensive military response to war crimes committed by Hamas.

We see now what good the withdrawal did for the Jews. Remember the immortal statement of Winston Churchill after British PM Chamberlain signed an agreement with Hitler: "You were given the choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor and you will have war."

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Do not think for one moment any of these facts will effect the scourge on humanity, better known as liberalism. They stand for nothing, other than the destruction of America, the obliteration of Israel, and all of the godlessness they can handle.

That is about it. They are filthy, disgusting creatures who only follow the bandwagons. Ironic how they turned out to be the actual nazis even though they have insisted that it has been the right wing all of this time.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/curre...-know-or-care-israel-left-gaza-in-2005-a.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABwLwSNwCeU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-4itbgaLq8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu-e5qWXx-k


George Philip is nothings short of a liar, a piece of shit, and worthy of zero respect.

THIS THREAD IS OFFICIALLY OVER. EVERYTHING ELSE WILL BE AD HOMINEMS AND BULLSHIT FROM THE LYING LEFT.

This is not an american Liberal vs. Conservative thing. You need to learn this.

I am a liberal but strongly in agreement with you on that facts you laid out. But I am not in agreement with your using this as an attack on Liberals.

George Philips is not a liberal. He may be other things, like, say, an utter asshole, but he's not a Liberal.

 

[Vigilante]

 

[Penelope]

You fall for that. Israel had to know going in with tanks, one of the most populated places on earth, fenced in, where was there to go, not even the sea was safe. Israel knew there would be lots of civilian casualties, and frankly didn't care. What they did was criminal.

 

[Vigilante]

You fall for that. Israel had to know going in with tanks, one of the most populated places on earth, fenced in, where was there to go, not even the sea was safe. Israel knew there would be lots of civilian casualties, and frankly didn't care. What they did was criminal.

Yes, Israel fucked up, should have pushed ALL you fucking muslim's into the sea! YOU SCUM, are not just fighting just Israel, but your BROTHERS are killing hundred of thousand of Christians, in other ME countries, the whole CULT needs to be eradicated...OR get involved in stopping your own from KILLING...you bastards are so fucked up, you even KILL muslims that aren't of the same SECT....how fucked up is that....You are ALL MENTALLY retarded, need you OUT of the human gene pool!

 

[SAYIT]

Really , ,perhaps its the creator of Hamas, and perhaps they are still bankrolled by Israel, and this has been just a huge display of how to get rid of your neighbors, working both sides as to say. Least ways Israel owes, and the US tax dollars better not pay. Time for them to stand on their own two feet.



How Israel helped create Hamas
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It also obscures Hamas's curious history. To a certain degree, the Islamist organization whose militant wing has rained rockets on Israel the past few weeks has the Jewish state to thank for its existence. Hamas launched in 1988 in Gaza at the time of the first intifada, or uprising, with a charter now infamous for its anti-Semitism and its refusal to accept the existence of the Israeli state. But for more than a decade prior, Israeli authorities actively enabled its rise.
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But, as Aaron David Miller, a Middle East expert at the Woodrow Wilson Center, observes, a strange, self-sustaining relationship remains. Israel's hawkish government — comprising many politicians who have little interest in seeing the creation of a separate Palestinian state — dwells on the security threat that Hamas's crude rockets pose. Hamas depends, Miller writes, on "an ideology and strategy steeped in confrontation and resistance."

How Israel helped create Hamas - The Washington Post

Your source does not support your argument. Israel neither created nor bankrolled Hamas.
Do you ever do anything but lie?

She never claimed Israel bankrolled them. Why are YOU lying?

And the article is saying that Israel's extreme policies and militarism has created the atmosphere where radical Islam can grow.

Man, your rate of mental decline is accelerating. Get help quick. The following is a direct quote from Penelope:
"Really , ,perhaps its the creator of Hamas, and perhaps they are still bankrolled by Israel"
If you believe Israel is the catalyst for the growth of rad Islam you have spent waaay too much time under that bridge. Perhaps it's time you find a new place to squat, Princess, and I mean that with all due respect.

 

[Theowl32]

I think it is funny how the lying godless liberals do not even know or care that Israel has not been in Gaza since 2005.

During the first period (2005-2007), Israel removed all of its troops from Gaza.

It also removed all of its settlers.

The settlers left behind greenhouses, farm equipment and other valuable civilian assets worth millions of dollars.

The Palestinians of Gaza were free to come and go as they pleased, to conduct free elections, and to import construction and other economic material in order to build a viable Palestinian entity to help their citizens. European donors sent them money and other resources, hoping that they would use them to create jobs, schools, hospitals and other necessary infrastructure.

To be sure, Israel maintained control over its border with Gaza, with checkpoints and security fences, but it opened its border to Palestinian residents of Gaza who came to work in Israel. During that period, numerous Gazans came into Israel to work and came back to Gaza with good salaries to feed their families.

During the same period many Gazans went to Egypt and other countries.

Israeli disengagement from Gaza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
--------------------------------------------

As I have mentioned over and over again. Liberals, could not possibly care less about the plight of any of these poor people. Remember, they are the same fucktards that wish saddam was still alive and in power. Yes, they do, don't they? Or is it that they don't wish that, but........


Yes, in 2005 Israel uprooted from Gaza completely. Yet, more than 10,000 missiles have been fired upon Israel and their citizens are deliberately targeted.

On January 25, 2006, the Palestinian Authority held elections. Gazans were free to vote and did in fact vote in large numbers for Hamas, which achieved a significant political victory. But that wasn’t enough for Hamas, which conducted a bloody coup d’etat in which numerous Palestinian civilians who were associated with the Palestinian Authority were killed.

Hamas also resumed rocket attacks against Israeli civilians and increased its building of terrorist tunnels into Israel, which it used to kill and kidnap Israelis. It was only after these acts of war by Hamas that Israel instituted its blockade in 2007 – nearly two years after it ended its occupation.

So the truth is that the blockade has not been the cause of Hamas’ rocket and tunnel attacks. The blockade has been the result of these attacks. It is an entirely legitimate defensive military response to war crimes committed by Hamas.

We see now what good the withdrawal did for the Jews. Remember the immortal statement of Winston Churchill after British PM Chamberlain signed an agreement with Hitler: "You were given the choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor and you will have war."

---------------------------------------

Do not think for one moment any of these facts will effect the scourge on humanity, better known as liberalism. They stand for nothing, other than the destruction of America, the obliteration of Israel, and all of the godlessness they can handle.

That is about it. They are filthy, disgusting creatures who only follow the bandwagons. Ironic how they turned out to be the actual nazis even though they have insisted that it has been the right wing all of this time.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/curre...-know-or-care-israel-left-gaza-in-2005-a.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABwLwSNwCeU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-4itbgaLq8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu-e5qWXx-k


George Philip is nothings short of a liar, a piece of shit, and worthy of zero respect.

THIS THREAD IS OFFICIALLY OVER. EVERYTHING ELSE WILL BE AD HOMINEMS AND BULLSHIT FROM THE LYING LEFT.

This is not an american Liberal vs. Conservative thing. You need to learn this.

I am a liberal but strongly in agreement with you on that facts you laid out. But I am not in agreement with your using this as an attack on Liberals.

George Philips is not a liberal. He may be other things, like, say, an utter asshole, but he's not a Liberal.

Why do liberals deny that liberals in this country are mostly against Israel? Are people like this fucking blind?!

 

[Peach]

I think it is funny how the lying godless liberals do not even know or care that Israel has not been in Gaza since 2005.

During the first period (2005-2007), Israel removed all of its troops from Gaza.

It also removed all of its settlers.

The settlers left behind greenhouses, farm equipment and other valuable civilian assets worth millions of dollars.

The Palestinians of Gaza were free to come and go as they pleased, to conduct free elections, and to import construction and other economic material in order to build a viable Palestinian entity to help their citizens. European donors sent them money and other resources, hoping that they would use them to create jobs, schools, hospitals and other necessary infrastructure.

To be sure, Israel maintained control over its border with Gaza, with checkpoints and security fences, but it opened its border to Palestinian residents of Gaza who came to work in Israel. During that period, numerous Gazans came into Israel to work and came back to Gaza with good salaries to feed their families.

During the same period many Gazans went to Egypt and other countries.

Israeli disengagement from Gaza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
--------------------------------------------

As I have mentioned over and over again. Liberals, could not possibly care less about the plight of any of these poor people. Remember, they are the same fucktards that wish saddam was still alive and in power. Yes, they do, don't they? Or is it that they don't wish that, but........


Yes, in 2005 Israel uprooted from Gaza completely. Yet, more than 10,000 missiles have been fired upon Israel and their citizens are deliberately targeted.

On January 25, 2006, the Palestinian Authority held elections. Gazans were free to vote and did in fact vote in large numbers for Hamas, which achieved a significant political victory. But that wasn’t enough for Hamas, which conducted a bloody coup d’etat in which numerous Palestinian civilians who were associated with the Palestinian Authority were killed.

Hamas also resumed rocket attacks against Israeli civilians and increased its building of terrorist tunnels into Israel, which it used to kill and kidnap Israelis. It was only after these acts of war by Hamas that Israel instituted its blockade in 2007 – nearly two years after it ended its occupation.

So the truth is that the blockade has not been the cause of Hamas’ rocket and tunnel attacks. The blockade has been the result of these attacks. It is an entirely legitimate defensive military response to war crimes committed by Hamas.

We see now what good the withdrawal did for the Jews. Remember the immortal statement of Winston Churchill after British PM Chamberlain signed an agreement with Hitler: "You were given the choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor and you will have war."

---------------------------------------

Do not think for one moment any of these facts will effect the scourge on humanity, better known as liberalism. They stand for nothing, other than the destruction of America, the obliteration of Israel, and all of the godlessness they can handle.

That is about it. They are filthy, disgusting creatures who only follow the bandwagons. Ironic how they turned out to be the actual nazis even though they have insisted that it has been the right wing all of this time.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/curre...-know-or-care-israel-left-gaza-in-2005-a.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABwLwSNwCeU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-4itbgaLq8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu-e5qWXx-k


George Philip is nothings short of a liar, a piece of shit, and worthy of zero respect.

THIS THREAD IS OFFICIALLY OVER. EVERYTHING ELSE WILL BE AD HOMINEMS AND BULLSHIT FROM THE LYING LEFT.

This is not an american Liberal vs. Conservative thing. You need to learn this.

I am a liberal but strongly in agreement with you on that facts you laid out. But I am not in agreement with your using this as an attack on Liberals.

George Philips is not a liberal. He may be other things, like, say, an utter asshole, but he's not a Liberal.

Why do liberals deny that liberals in this country are mostly against Israel? Are people like this fucking blind?!

I have taken no polls, I know I support ISRAEL(.)

 

[Vigilante]

THE BIGGEST TRUISM YOU'LL READ TODAY!!!!

 

[Peach]

Your source does not support your argument. Israel neither created nor bankrolled Hamas.
Do you ever do anything but lie?

She never claimed Israel bankrolled them. Why are YOU lying?

And the article is saying that Israel's extreme policies and militarism has created the atmosphere where radical Islam can grow.

Man, your rate of mental decline is accelerating. Get help quick. The following is a direct quote from Penelope:
"Really , ,perhaps its the creator of Hamas, and perhaps they are still bankrolled by Israel"
If you believe Israel is the catalyst for the growth of rad Islam you have spent waaay too much time under that bridge. Perhaps it's time you find a new place to squat, Princess, and I mean that with all due respect.

Hamas attacks, Israel returns fire; Hamas parades injured & killed infants and children in front of cameras; Israel calls UNILATERAL cease fires. If Hamas quits attacking, there will be no war, if Israel quits responding, there will be no Israel. Hamas sacrifices civilians while their leader relaxes, OUTSIDE the line of fire. Conclusion: HAMAS IS RESPONSIBLE(.)

 

[Vigilante]

 

[Peach]

The "liberals" that do need to study the history, even now, Israel calls humanitarian ceas fires, Hamas keeps lobbing rockets. The Hamas blind may be suicidal, or simply want Israel to look cruel.......but their despicable leader hiding makes the second option more likely.

 

[Theowl32]

She never claimed Israel bankrolled them. Why are YOU lying?

And the article is saying that Israel's extreme policies and militarism has created the atmosphere where radical Islam can grow.

Man, your rate of mental decline is accelerating. Get help quick. The following is a direct quote from Penelope:
"Really , ,perhaps its the creator of Hamas, and perhaps they are still bankrolled by Israel"
If you believe Israel is the catalyst for the growth of rad Islam you have spent waaay too much time under that bridge. Perhaps it's time you find a new place to squat, Princess, and I mean that with all due respect.

Hamas attacks, Israel returns fire; Hamas parades injured & killed infants and children in front of cameras; Israel calls UNILATERAL cease fires. If Hamas quits attacking, there will be no war, if Israel quits responding, there will be no Israel. Hamas sacrifices civilians while their leader relaxes, OUTSIDE the line of fire. Conclusion: HAMAS IS RESPONSIBLE(.)

What is even more insidious is our beloved left wing Israel hating main stream media attacks Israel, broadcasts that Israel is deliberately targeting civilians, and pretty much omits the facts that Hamas is using them as human shields. There are even reports that they are bringing bodies from other places and putting them I at bomb sites.

The fact that the American left wing main stream media does not report these things only emboldens the terror scumbags to keep doing it. What does that mean? It means the blood of those women and children are on the hands of the left wing American media, since the main reason Hamas does it so that they get the world on their side.

The fact that any left winger denies that the left by large hate Israel, means they are truly lost. Like I asked. Are they fucking blind?

 

[Penelope]

You fall for that. Israel had to know going in with tanks, one of the most populated places on earth, fenced in, where was there to go, not even the sea was safe. Israel knew there would be lots of civilian casualties, and frankly didn't care. What they did was criminal.

Yes, Israel fucked up, should have pushed ALL you fucking muslim's into the sea! YOU SCUM, are not just fighting just Israel, but your BROTHERS are killing hundred of thousand of Christians, in other ME countries, the whole CULT needs to be eradicated...OR get involved in stopping your own from KILLING...you bastards are so fucked up, you even KILL muslims that aren't of the same SECT....how fucked up is that....You are ALL MENTALLY retarded, need you OUT of the human gene pool!

For one thing I'm not Muslim, but woe, sounds to me like you mean to genocide them, you agree with that?