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Who's the conspiracy theorist?
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daws101
Diamond Member
- Banned
- #102
talking out your ass, as always they found no evidence of explosives, if they had it would have been reported.of its 3,000 acres, 175 were secured on september 11, 2001, to receive the remains of the world trade center. Those acres became a new york police department crime scene while the other fields were left to return to a natural state.
The operation at fresh kills had three objectives: To find human remains, personal effects, and any evidence of the terrorist attack such as a highjacker’s box cutter, cell phones from the planes, and the black boxes. The recovery operation evolved from simple hand-sorting into an elaborate machine-sifting and sorting process. All the material was carefully sorted to find objects down to one-quarter of an inch in size.
The recovery operation at the fresh kills facility was under the management of federal bureau of investigation special agent richard marx, new york police department inspector james luongo, and new york police department lieutenant bruce bovino.
recovery — fresh kills
recovery
on the night of september
12, 2001
the fresh kills
landfill on staten island
was designated a crime
scene and trucks began
arriving from ground zero
with steel and
crushed
debris that was
once
the world trade center.
Over the next ten months,
an operation to recover
human remains, personal
effects and the objects
of everyday life from 1.8
million tons of material was
undertaken by the new
york police department,
an fbi evidence recovery
team, twenty-five state
and federal agencies, and
fourteen private contractors.
The story of this operation
unfolds in many rare images
and compelling objects that
are now preserved for history.
Thousands of detectives,
agents, and forensic evidence
specialists worked around
the clock to recover rem-
nants of the lives lost
at the world trade center.
Over 1.7 million hours were
spent working at the landfill.
The exhibition photographs,
taken over several months,
document the immense
task
http://www.nysm.nysed.gov/exhibits/longterm/documents/recovery.pdf
but remember, there was no investigation.......
no there was not a proper investigation.. shifting through debris for trinkets is hardly relevant are you trying to imply they would of found visible evidence of explosives they where not even looking for ???...is that the irrational thought you trying to imply???
The structural engineering community rejects the controlled-demolition conspiracy theory. Its consensus is that the collapse of the World Trade Center buildings was a fire-induced, gravity-driven collapse, an explanation that does not involve the use of explosives.[2][78][page needed]
The American Society of Civil Engineers Structural Engineering Institute issued a statement calling for further discussion of NIST's recommendations,[79] and Britain's Institution of Structural Engineers published a statement in May 2002 welcoming the FEMA report, noting that the report expressed similar views to those held by its group of professionals.[80]
Following the publication of Jones' paper "Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Completely Collapse?"[6] Brigham Young University responded to Jones' "increasingly speculative and accusatory" statements by placing him on paid leave, and thereby stripping him of two classes, in September 2006, pending a review of his statements and research. Six weeks later, Jones retired from the university.[21] The structural engineering faculty at the university issued a statement which said that they "do not support the hypotheses of Professor Jones".[3][22] On September 22, 2005, Jones gave a seminar on his hypotheses to a group of his colleagues from the Department of Physics and Astronomy at BYU. According to Jones, all but one of his colleagues agreed after the seminar that an investigation was in order and the lone dissenter came to agreement with Jones' suggestions the next day.[22]
Northwestern University Professor of Civil Engineering Zdeněk Bažant, who was the first to offer a published peer-reviewed theory of the collapses, wrote "a few outsiders claiming a conspiracy with planted explosives" as an exception.[81] Bažant and Verdure trace such "strange ideas" to a "mistaken impression" that safety margins in design would make the collapses impossible. One of the effects of a more detailed modeling of the progressive collapse, they say, could be to "dispel the myth of planted explosives". Indeed, Bažant and Verdure have proposed examining data from controlled demolitions in order to better model the progressive collapse of the towers, suggesting that progressive collapse and controlled demolition are not two separate modes of failure (as the controlled-demolition conspiracy theory assumes).[2]
Thomas Eagar, a professor of materials science and engineering at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, also dismissed the controlled-demolition conspiracy theory.[3] Eagar remarked, "These people (in the 9/11 truth movement) use the 'reverse scientific method.' They determine what happened, throw out all the data that doesn't fit their conclusion, and then hail their findings as the only possible conclusion."[82]
Regarding Jones' theory that nanothermite was used to bring down the towers, and the assertion that thermite and nanothermite composites were found in the dust and debris were found following the collapse of the three buildings, which was concluded to be proof that explosives brought down the buildings,[6][7][8][12] Brent Blanchard, author of "A History of Explosive Demolition in America",[83] states that questions about the viability of Jones' theories remain unanswered, such as the fact that no demolition personnel noticed any telltale signs of thermite during the eight months of debris removal following the towers' collapse. Blanchard also stated that a verifiable chain of possession needs to be established for the tested beams, which did not occur with the beams Jones tested, raising questions of whether the metal pieces tested could have been cut away from the debris pile with acetylene torches, shears, or other potentially contaminated equipment while on site, or exposed to trace amounts of thermite or other compounds while being handled, while in storage, or while being transferred from Ground Zero to memorial sites.[84] Dave Thomas of Skeptical Inquirer magazine, noting that the residue in question was claimed to be thermitic because of its iron oxide and aluminum composition, pointed out that these substances are found in many items common to the towers. Thomas stated that in order to cut through a vertical steel beam, special high-temperature containment must be added to prevent the molten iron from dropping down, and that the thermite reaction is too slow for it to be practically used in building demolition. Thomas pointed out that when Jesse Ventura hired New Mexico Tech to conduct a demonstration showing nanothermite slicing through a large steel beam, the nanothermite produced copious flame and smoke but no damage to the beam, even though it was in a horizontal, and therefore optimal position.[85]
Preparing a building for a controlled demolition takes considerable time and effort.[86] The tower walls would have had to be opened on dozens of floors.[6] Thousands of pounds of explosives, fuses and ignition mechanisms would need to be sneaked past security and placed in the towers[6][87] without the tens of thousands of people working in the World Trade Center noticing.[1][50][86][87][88][89] Referring to a conversation with Stuart Vyse, a professor of psychology, an article in the Hartford Advocate asks, "How many hundreds of people would you need to acquire the explosives, plant them in the buildings, arrange for the airplanes to crash [...] and, perhaps most implausibly of all, never breathe a single word of this conspiracy?"[90]
World Trade Center developer Larry Silverstein said, "Hopefully this thorough report puts to rest the various 9/11 conspiracy theories, which dishonor the men and women who lost their lives on that terrible day." Upon presentation of the NIST's detailed report on the failure of Bldg. 7, Richard Gage, leader of the group Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth said, "How much longer do we have to endure the coverup of how Building 7 was destroyed?" in which Dr. S. Shyam Sunder, the lead NIST investigator said he could not explain why the skepticism would not die. “I am really not a psychologist,” he said. “Our job was to come up with the best science.”[36] James Quintiere, professor of fire protection engineering at the University of Maryland, who does not believe explosives brought down the towers, questioned how the agency came to its conclusions, remarking, "They don't have the expertise on explosives," though he adds that NIST wasted time employing outside experts to consider it.[91]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_controlled_demolition_conspiracy_theories
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daws101
Diamond Member
- Banned
- #103
September 11, 2001 attacksThe objective of disinformation is not to convince you of one point of view or another, it is to create enough uncertainty so that everything is believable and nothing is knowable. " -- James Fetzer
Fetzer has asserted that people within the administration of George W. Bush were responsible for the September 11 attacks.[3] He is the co-founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, a group that rejects the official conclusions of the 9/11 Commission and the National Institute of Standards and Technology that hijackers crashed planes into the twin towers of the World Trade Center and that the fires caused by the crashed planes were sufficient to collapse the buildings.[2] The group has asserted that the buildings in the World Trade Center were brought down by controlled demolitions and that the United States government possessed a political agenda that allowed or even orchestrated its occurrence.[2] Fetzer invited Steven Jones, a physics professor at Brigham Young University, to serve as the group's co-chair.[3]
[edit] Death of Paul Wellstone
After Minnesota Senator Paul Wellstone's death in an airplane crash, Fetzer wrote a series of articles for Duluth, Minnesota's Reader Weekly in which he asserted that Wellstone was assassinated by a group of powerful Republicans to regain control of the United States Senate.[16][17] He claimed that sabotage due to an electromagnetic pulse may have caused the plane to crash, and those responsible for it were "...the troika that runs the government, consisting of Dick Cheney, Karl Rove and Donald Rumsfeld."[17] In 2004, Fetzer co-authored a book on the subject, American Assassination: The Strange Death of Senator Paul Wellstone, with Don "Four Arrows" Jacobs.[16][18]
[edit] Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting
Fetzer alleges Israeli involvement in the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting.[19] Contributing to the Iranian government owned Press TV, he stated: The Sandy Hook massacre appears to have been a psy op intended to strike fear in the hearts of Americans by the sheer brutality of the massacre, where the killing of children is a signature of terror ops conducted by agents of Israel.[19]
no credibility here,
September 11, 2001 attacksThe objective of disinformation is not to convince you of one point of view or another, it is to create enough uncertainty so that everything is believable and nothing is knowable. " -- James Fetzer
Fetzer has asserted that people within the administration of George W. Bush were responsible for the September 11 attacks.[3] He is the co-founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, a group that rejects the official conclusions of the 9/11 Commission and the National Institute of Standards and Technology that hijackers crashed planes into the twin towers of the World Trade Center and that the fires caused by the crashed planes were sufficient to collapse the buildings.[2] The group has asserted that the buildings in the World Trade Center were brought down by controlled demolitions and that the United States government possessed a political agenda that allowed or even orchestrated its occurrence.[2] Fetzer invited Steven Jones, a physics professor at Brigham Young University, to serve as the group's co-chair.[3]
[edit] Death of Paul Wellstone
After Minnesota Senator Paul Wellstone's death in an airplane crash, Fetzer wrote a series of articles for Duluth, Minnesota's Reader Weekly in which he asserted that Wellstone was assassinated by a group of powerful Republicans to regain control of the United States Senate.[16][17] He claimed that sabotage due to an electromagnetic pulse may have caused the plane to crash, and those responsible for it were "...the troika that runs the government, consisting of Dick Cheney, Karl Rove and Donald Rumsfeld."[17] In 2004, Fetzer co-authored a book on the subject, American Assassination: The Strange Death of Senator Paul Wellstone, with Don "Four Arrows" Jacobs.[16][18]
[edit] Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting
Fetzer alleges Israeli involvement in the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting.[19] Contributing to the Iranian government owned Press TV, he stated: The Sandy Hook massacre appears to have been a psy op intended to strike fear in the hearts of Americans by the sheer brutality of the massacre, where the killing of children is a signature of terror ops conducted by agents of Israel.[19]
no credibility here,
LoudMcCloud's Fetzer quote may just be describing the disinfo assault on reality in which Fetzer and the CT Movement are engaged and a thinly veiled pot-shot at the gullibility and stupidity of his CT Movement sheeple.
eots
no fly list
of its 3,000 acres, 175 were secured on september 11, 2001, to receive the remains of the world trade center. Those acres became a new york police department crime scene while the other fields were left to return to a natural state.
The operation at fresh kills had three objectives: To find human remains, personal effects, and any evidence of the terrorist attack such as a highjacker’s box cutter, cell phones from the planes, and the black boxes. The recovery operation evolved from simple hand-sorting into an elaborate machine-sifting and sorting process. All the material was carefully sorted to find objects down to one-quarter of an inch in size.
The recovery operation at the fresh kills facility was under the management of federal bureau of investigation special agent richard marx, new york police department inspector james luongo, and new york police department lieutenant bruce bovino.
recovery — fresh kills
recovery
on the night of september
12, 2001
the fresh kills
landfill on staten island
was designated a crime
scene and trucks began
arriving from ground zero
with steel and
crushed
debris that was
once
the world trade center.
Over the next ten months,
an operation to recover
human remains, personal
effects and the objects
of everyday life from 1.8
million tons of material was
undertaken by the new
york police department,
an fbi evidence recovery
team, twenty-five state
and federal agencies, and
fourteen private contractors.
The story of this operation
unfolds in many rare images
and compelling objects that
are now preserved for history.
Thousands of detectives,
agents, and forensic evidence
specialists worked around
the clock to recover rem-
nants of the lives lost
at the world trade center.
Over 1.7 million hours were
spent working at the landfill.
The exhibition photographs,
taken over several months,
document the immense
task
http://www.nysm.nysed.gov/exhibits/longterm/documents/recovery.pdf
but remember, there was no investigation.......
no there was not a proper investigation.. shifting through debris for trinkets is hardly relevant are you trying to imply they would of found visible evidence of explosives they where not even looking for ???...is that the irrational thought you trying to imply???talking out your ass, as always they found no evidence of explosives, if they had it would have been reported.
what would expect to find,, especially from unskilled workers looking for bones and personal trinkets not evidence
The structural engineering community rejects the controlled-demolition conspiracy theory. Its consensus is that the collapse of the World Trade Center buildings was a fire-induced, gravity-driven collapse, an explanation that does not involve the use of explosives.[2][78][page needed]
WHAT THEY TOOK A POLL ??...WHERE IS THE LINK ??
The American Society of Civil Engineers Structural Engineering Institute issued a statement calling for further discussion of NIST's recommendations,[79] and Britain's Institution of Structural Engineers published a statement in May 2002 welcoming the FEMA report, noting that the report expressed similar views to those held by its group of professionals.[80]
THE REPORT WAS NOT EVEN CONCLUDED AT THIS POINT
Following the publication of Jones' paper "Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Completely Collapse?"[6] Brigham Young University responded to Jones' "increasingly speculative and accusatory" statements by placing him on paid leave, and thereby stripping him of two classes, in September 2006, pending a review of his statements and research. Six weeks later, Jones retired from the university.[21]
WOW THATS FREEDOM OF SPEECH FOR YOU...THE THOUGHT POLICE CAME AFTER HIM..GEE THIS WOULD NOT DISCOURAGE DISSENT FROM THE OFFICIAL STORY NOW ..WOULD IT
The structural engineering faculty at the university issued a statement which said that they "do not support the hypotheses of Professor Jones".[3][22] On September 22, 2005, Jones gave a seminar on his hypotheses to a group of his colleagues from the Department of Physics and Astronomy at BYU. According to Jones, all but one of his colleagues agreed after the seminar that an investigation was in order and the lone dissenter came to agreement with Jones' suggestions the next day
GUESS THE REST DID NOT WANT TO LOSE THEIR JOBS AS WELL
Northwestern University Professor of Civil Engineering Zdeněk Bažant, who was the first to offer a published peer-reviewed theory of the collapses, wrote "a few outsiders claiming a conspiracy with planted explosives" as an exception.[81] Bažant and Verdure trace such "strange ideas" to a "mistaken impression" that safety margins in design would make the collapses impossible. One of the effects of a more detailed modeling of the progressive collapse, they say, could be to "dispel the myth of planted explosives". Indeed, Bažant and Verdure have proposed examining data from controlled demolitions in order to better model the progressive collapse of the towers, suggesting that progressive collapse and controlled demolition are not two separate modes of failure (as the controlled-demolition conspiracy theory assumes).[2]
MEANINGLESS
Thomas Eagar, a professor of materials science and engineering at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, also dismissed the controlled-demolition conspiracy theory.[3] Eagar remarked, "These people (in the 9/11 truth movement) use the 'reverse scientific method.' They determine what happened, throw out all the data that doesn't fit their conclusion, and then hail their findings as the only possible conclusion."[82]
MEANINGLESS OPINION BACKED WITH NOTHING
Regarding Jones' theory that nanothermite was used to bring down the towers, and the assertion that thermite and nanothermite composites were found in the dust and debris were found following the collapse of the three buildings, which was concluded to be proof that explosives brought down the buildings,[6][7][8][12] Brent Blanchard, author of "A History of Explosive Demolition in America",[83] states that questions about the viability of Jones' theories remain unanswered, such as the fact that no demolition personnel noticed any telltale signs of thermite during the eight months of debris removal following the towers' collapse. Blanchard also stated that a verifiable chain of possession needs to be established for the tested beams, which did not occur with the beams Jones tested, raising questions of whether the metal pieces tested could have been cut away from the debris pile with acetylene torches, shears, or other potentially contaminated equipment while on site, or exposed to trace amounts of thermite or other compounds while being handled, while in storage, or while being transferred from Ground Zero to memorial sites.[84] Dave Thomas of Skeptical Inquirer magazine, noting that the residue in question was claimed to be thermitic because of its iron oxide and aluminum composition, pointed out that these substances are found in many items common to the towers. Thomas stated that in order to cut through a vertical steel beam, special high-temperature containment must be added to prevent the molten iron from dropping down, and that the thermite reaction is too slow for it to be practically used in building demolition. Thomas pointed out that when Jesse Ventura hired New Mexico Tech to conduct a demonstration showing nanothermite slicing through a large steel beam, the nanothermite produced copious flame and smoke but no damage to the beam, even though it was in a horizontal, and therefore optimal position.[85]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNOM_U5UM6Q]THERMITE CUTTING STEEL - VALIDATED - EXPERIMENTALLY DEMONSTRATED - YouTube[/ame]
YET THEY A SINGLE COLUMN FAILURE CAUSED THE COLLAPSE OF WTC 7Preparing a building for a controlled demolition takes considerable time and effort.[86] The tower walls would have had to be opened on dozens of floors.[6] Thousands of pounds of explosives, fuses and ignition mechanisms would need to be sneaked past security and placed in the towers[6][87] without the tens of thousands of people working in the World Trade Center noticing.[1]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsNGSGcUsg8]Power Downs, Evacuations, Strange Events in Weeks Before 9/11 - YouTube[/ame]
[50][86][87][88][89] Referring to a conversation with Stuart Vyse, a professor of psychology, an article in the Hartford Advocate asks, "How many hundreds of people would you need to acquire the explosives, plant them in the buildings, arrange for the airplanes to crash [...] and, perhaps most implausibly of all, never breathe a single word of this conspiracy?"[90]
THIS IS NOT SCIENCE IT IS EDITORIAL OPINION
World Trade Center developer Larry Silverstein said, "Hopefully this thorough report puts to rest the various 9/11 conspiracy theories, which dishonor the men and women who lost their lives on that terrible day."
EMOTIONAL LADEN STATEMENTS NOT SCIENCE
Upon presentation of the NIST's detailed report on the failure of Bldg. 7, Richard Gage, leader of the group Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth said, "How much longer do we have to endure the coverup of how Building 7 was destroyed?" in which Dr. S. Shyam Sunder, the lead NIST investigator said he could not explain why the skepticism would not die. “I am really not a psychologist,” he said. “Our job was to come up with the best science.”[36]
BUT SHYAM IS A PROVEN LIAR
James Quintiere, professor of fire protection engineering at the University of Maryland, who does not believe explosives brought down the towers, questioned how the agency came to its conclusions, remarking, "They don't have the expertise on explosives," though he adds that NIST wasted time employing outside experts to consider it.[91]
James Quintiere, also said....“In my opinion, the WTC investigation by NIST falls short of expectations by not definitively finding cause, by not sufficiently linking recommendations of specificity to cause, by not fully invoking all of their authority to seek facts in the investigation, and by the guidance of government lawyers to deter rather than develop fact finding.
it’s the legal structure that cloaks the Commerce Department and therefore NIST. And so, instead of lawyers as if they were acting on a civil case trying to get depositions and information subpoenaed, those lawyers did the opposite and blocked everything.”
‘conspiracy theories’ that says the smoke puffing out all around the building is due to somebody setting off an explosive charge. Well, I think, more likely, it’s one of the floors falling down.”
OpEdNews - Article: Former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division Calls for Independent Review of World Trade Center Investigation
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daws101
Diamond Member
- Banned
- #106
talking out your ass, as always they found no evidence of explosives, if they had it would have been reported.no there was not a proper investigation.. shifting through debris for trinkets is hardly relevant are you trying to imply they would of found visible evidence of explosives they where not even looking for ???...is that the irrational thought you trying to imply???
edited for lack of credibility and wall of text...
eots
no fly list
any credibility this person might have had went down the shitter with this statement "huge pyroclastic clouds"...and they would be what ?
WHAT ABOUT THESE FELLOWS ?
Dwain Deets, MS Physics, MS Eng Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center. Before this appointment, he served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden. Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award and the Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988). Selected presenter of the Wright Brothers Lectureship in Aeronautics, a distinguished speaking engagement sponsored by the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) (1986). Included in "Who's Who in Science and Engineering" 1993 - 2000. Former Chairman of the Aerospace Control and Guidance Systems Committee of the Society of Automotive Engineers. Former Member, AIAA Committee on Society and Aerospace Technology. 37 year NASA career.
Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:
"The many visual images (massive structural members being hurled horizontally, huge pyroclastic clouds, etc.) leave no doubt in my mind explosives were involved [in the destruction of the World Trade Center]." World Trade Center Building 7 Demolished on 9/11? | AE911Truth
Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 1,500 Architects and Engineers:
Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report
pyroclastic flow (also known scientifically as a pyroclastic density current[1]) is a fast-moving current of hot gas and rock (collectively known as tephra), which reaches speeds moving away from a volcano of up to 700 km/h (450 mph).[2] The gas can reach temperatures of about 1,000 °C (1,830 °F). Pyroclastic flows normally hug the ground and travel downhill, or spread laterally under gravity. Their speed depends upon the density of the current, the volcanic output rate, and the gradient of the slope. They are a common and devastating result of certain explosive volcanic eruptions.
Pyroclastic flow - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Manhattan is not a volcano...
no recorded wind speeds of 450 mph.
no recorded 1,830 degree gas.
most importantly no thousands of parboiled people in the streets the cloud passed through..
this is just more proof your experts are nothing of the kind.
SOME PAID TROLL THINKS HE CAN DISMISS THIS MANS CREDIBILITY ..LOL
Dwain Deets, MS Physics, MS Eng Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center. Before this appointment, he served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden. Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award and the Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988). Selected presenter of the Wright Brothers Lectureship in Aeronautics, a distinguished speaking engagement sponsored by the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) (1986). Included in "Who's Who in Science and Engineering" 1993 - 2000. Former Chairman of the Aerospace Control and Guidance Systems Committee of the Society of Automotive Engineers. Former Member, AIAA Committee on Society and Aerospace Technology. 37 year NASA career.
Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:
"The many visual images (massive structural members being hurled horizontally, huge pyroclastic clouds, etc.) leave no doubt in my mind explosives were involved [in the destruction of the World Trade Center]." World Trade Center Building 7 Demolished on 9/11? | AE911Truth
SO REMIND ME...WHAT AWARDS IN SCIENCE HAVE YOU RECEIVED ?
eots
no fly list
talking out your ass, as always they found no evidence of explosives, if they had it would have been reported.
edited for lack of credibility and wall of text...
AGAIN WHAT DO YOU EXPECT TO FIND..AND WHY DO YOU EXPECT UNSKILLED WORKERS LOOKING FOR BONES AND TRINKETS TO FIND IT ???
daws101
Diamond Member
- Banned
- #109
well the one that's most relevant to this post is geology..any credibility this person might have had went down the shitter with this statement "huge pyroclastic clouds"...
pyroclastic flow (also known scientifically as a pyroclastic density current[1]) is a fast-moving current of hot gas and rock (collectively known as tephra), which reaches speeds moving away from a volcano of up to 700 km/h (450 mph).[2] The gas can reach temperatures of about 1,000 °C (1,830 °F). Pyroclastic flows normally hug the ground and travel downhill, or spread laterally under gravity. Their speed depends upon the density of the current, the volcanic output rate, and the gradient of the slope. They are a common and devastating result of certain explosive volcanic eruptions.
Pyroclastic flow - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Manhattan is not a volcano...
no recorded wind speeds of 450 mph.
no recorded 1,830 degree gas.
most importantly no thousands of parboiled people in the streets the cloud passed through..
this is just more proof your experts are nothing of the kind.
SOME PAID TROLL THINKS HE CAN DISMISS THIS MANS CREDIBILITY ..LOL
Dwain Deets, MS Physics, MS Eng Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center. Before this appointment, he served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden. Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award and the Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988). Selected presenter of the Wright Brothers Lectureship in Aeronautics, a distinguished speaking engagement sponsored by the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) (1986). Included in "Who's Who in Science and Engineering" 1993 - 2000. Former Chairman of the Aerospace Control and Guidance Systems Committee of the Society of Automotive Engineers. Former Member, AIAA Committee on Society and Aerospace Technology. 37 year NASA career.
Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:
"The many visual images (massive structural members being hurled horizontally, huge pyroclastic clouds, etc.) leave no doubt in my mind explosives were involved [in the destruction of the World Trade Center]." World Trade Center Building 7 Demolished on 9/11? | AE911Truth
SO REMIND ME...WHAT AWARDS IN SCIENCE HAVE YOU RECEIVED ?
it's called the knowing the difference between a pyroclastic flow and a cloud of dust award...
who said they were unskilled?
That would be (ID)eots who, with 9/11 Hand Job on his monthly mental health hiatus, is co-chairing the vacant village idiot position with Pauli.
An army of forensic scientists could have spent the last 11 years sifting through the rubble and (ID)eots and his merry band of CT loons would still be whining: "no investigation!"
daws101
Diamond Member
- Banned
- #112
Manhattan is not a volcano...AGAIN WHAT DO YOU EXPECT TO FIND..AND WHY DO YOU EXPECT UNSKILLED WORKERS LOOKING FOR BONES AND TRINKETS TO FIND IT ???
no recorded wind speeds of 450 mph.
no recorded 1,830 degree gas.
most importantly no thousands of parboiled people in the streets the cloud passed through..
this is just more proof your experts are nothing of the kind.
SFC Ollie
Still Marching
Once again........
Over the next ten months,
an operation to recover
human remains, personal
effects and the objects
of everyday life from 1.8
million tons of material was
undertaken by the
new
york police department,
an fbi evidence recovery
team,
twenty-five state and federal agencies,
and fourteen private contractors.
Over the next ten months,
an operation to recover
human remains, personal
effects and the objects
of everyday life from 1.8
million tons of material was
undertaken by the
new
york police department,
an fbi evidence recovery
team,
twenty-five state and federal agencies,
and fourteen private contractors.
Once again........
Over the next ten months,
an operation to recover
human remains, personal
effects and the objects
of everyday life from 1.8
million tons of material was
undertaken by the
new
york police department,
an fbi evidence recovery
team,
twenty-five state and federal agencies,
and fourteen private contractors.
Not possible. (ID)eots says "UNSKILLED WORKERS LOOKING FOR BONES AND TRINKETS" therefore you must be wrong.
SFC Ollie
Still Marching
And that was only at Fresh Kills. Lord only knows who was involved at the sites.... And then there was the behind the scene investigations we might find out about in another 40 years....
eots
no fly list
who said they were unskilled?
ARE YOU CLAIMING THEY WHERE FORENSIC INVESTIGATORS ??...LINK
eots
no fly list
and that was only at fresh kills. Lord only knows who was involved at the sites.... And then there was the behind the scene investigations we might find out about in another 40 years....
i am pretty sure people within the government knows ollie,,,but they aint talking
eots
no fly list
Once again........
Over the next ten months,
an operation to recover
human remains, personal
effects and the objects
of everyday life from 1.8
million tons of material was
undertaken by the
new
york police department,
an fbi evidence recovery
team,
twenty-five state and federal agencies,
and fourteen private contractors.
once again what would you expect to find and human remains, personal
effects and the objects
of everyday life
eots
no fly list
Manhattan is not a volcano...
no recorded wind speeds of 450 mph.
no recorded 1,830 degree gas.
most importantly no thousands of parboiled people in the streets the cloud passed through..
this is just more proof your experts are nothing of the kind.
so daws who has never been a nasa engineer or in the whos who of science thinks he knows the definition of pyroclastic better than deets and based on this claims he now has no credibility as a scientist and engineer..what a clown you are
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Pyroclastic flows are fluidized masses of rock fragments and gases that move rapidly in response to gravity. Pyroclastic flows can form in several different ways. They can form when an eruption column collapses, or as the result of gravitational collapse
Pyroclastic Flows
Pyroclastic Flows
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