Why Abortion And Euthanasia Should Be Legal

[Quantum Windbag]

I am really enjoying this "We'd keep the baby alive and suffering just to back our moral position on abortion" brigade.

I am not enjoying the hypocrites that insist that it is a choice and while demanding that everyone agree with them.

I don't honestly give a shit what you are or not enjoying, as long as you are not trying to make someone else's decisions for them.

That would be the person that that started the thread, not me.

 

[Tank]

I noticed all the people for abortion, have already been born

 

[Lumpy 1]

If the condition had been discovered during the pregnancy, surely it would be kinder to abort Jailan than to give birth to him and watch him starve and die?

I guess so but in this case the condition wasn't discovered during the pregnancy and according to your OP the child seemed to be wanted by the parents. I don't think you'll be able to turn this kid into a poster child for abortion.

Of course not, and its not my intention to say that this child should have been aborted. My point is that a choice should be given, to either abort or to euthanase, children who are severely ill and who will die.

I don't think anyone gets that, though.

I get it and I'm reminded of a heartless liberal Democrat.

 

[Michelle420]

Really? I DO wish they'd stop committing suicide, then.

My sister committed suicide June 10th 2013, who are you referring to?

Per my quote of your quote. "Children never choose to die." My response followed.

The article also said:

Not only do two thirds of Belgians favor the new euthanasia bill, but in a controversial poll, three quarters said it would be okay for parents to euthanize their sick children without the child’s consent.

“The child does not have the maturity to get married or to buy alcohol or to buy cigarettes if he is 14. Now we are saying that because he is suffering, he might have the possibility to ask for euthanasia,” Carine Boucher, with the European Center for Bio-ethics in Brussels, said.

A 3 year olds concept of death is not the same as a 30 yr olds.

Not only that the other link and synopsis I included addresses the concerns I have about it.

You see people have recovered even when they were told they wouldn't.

Yes people commit suicide and that is why people who are devastated by it have formed suicide prevention and also suicide support groups.

Some people who choose to do that do so because of a hopelessness and they shouldn't have to feel that way, I don't view suicide as the answer to depression or hopelessness.

I would also request that since my sister did recently commit suicide any replies to me on that subject be addressed sensitively because for me it still hurts and is emotional.

I know you are a nice person so I don't feel we will have a problem.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Really? I DO wish they'd stop committing suicide, then.

That is not them choosing to die, it is them taking the only option they think they have. If you really want them to stop killing themselves you need to give them real options, not fake government programs that attempt to treat them like cogs in a machine.

What a fucking crock of semantics.

Ever talk to someone who jumped off the Golden Gate bridge?

"I don't believe anyone wants to die by suicide. What really happens is you come to a point in your mental instability where you feel you have no more options," Kevin tells Yahoo! Shine. "When I was on the bridge I was crying desperately and wanted to survive, but the voices in my head telling me to jump became louder. I firmly believe there is a big difference between wanting to die and needing to get rid of pain."

Kevin, now 32, is one of an estimated 33 survivors of suicide attempts on the Golden Gate Bridge. Now a prevention specialist and metal health advocate, he believes there's more to teen suicide prevention than just bullying awareness.

"There is no direct correlation between bullying and suicide," says Hines. "There are only people who have been bullied that die by suicide." Hines himself was bullied in grade school and he believes it contributed to his inferiority complex. "It added to my sadness and bullying needs to stop," he says. "But there are underlying issues that the media is not focusing on and people are ignoring."

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[Tank]

Who is going to decide what "suffering" is?

I think starving to death is suffering. I think we should let the parents decide, myself.

Agreed.

What if they are born deaf and blind, or with no limbs, or addicted to drugs, or mentally handicap, where will it end?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I am really enjoying this "We'd keep the baby alive and suffering just to back our moral position on abortion" brigade.

I am not enjoying the hypocrites that insist that it is a choice and while demanding that everyone agree with them.

I don't honestly give a shit what you are or not enjoying, as long as you are not trying to make someone else's decisions for them.

Indeed.

 

[Noomi]

I think starving to death is suffering. I think we should let the parents decide, myself.

Agreed.

What if they are born deaf and blind, or with no limbs, or addicted to drugs, or mentally handicap, where will it end?

If I was born blind, deaf, and couldn't walk or communicate in any way, I would want to die. Why live when you are not aware of your own existence?

 

[Tank]

Agreed.

What if they are born deaf and blind, or with no limbs, or addicted to drugs, or mentally handicap, where will it end?

If I was born blind, deaf, and couldn't walk or communicate in any way, I would want to die. Why live when you are not aware of your own existence?

Once you open this can of worms where are you going to draw the line?

 

[Noomi]

What if they are born deaf and blind, or with no limbs, or addicted to drugs, or mentally handicap, where will it end?

If I was born blind, deaf, and couldn't walk or communicate in any way, I would want to die. Why live when you are not aware of your own existence?

Once you open this can of worms where are you going to draw the line?

Should we not draw a line and let people suffer in pain until they die, or let people or their parents decide?

 

[Tank]

If I was born blind, deaf, and couldn't walk or communicate in any way, I would want to die. Why live when you are not aware of your own existence?

Once you open this can of worms where are you going to draw the line?

Should we not draw a line and let people suffer in pain until they die, or let people or their parents decide?

What if a child is just with real bad hearing and the parents decide that is "suffering"

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Agreed.

What if they are born deaf and blind, or with no limbs, or addicted to drugs, or mentally handicap, where will it end?

If I was born blind, deaf, and couldn't walk or communicate in any way, I would want to die. Why live when you are not aware of your own existence?

How the fuck do you know what you would want in a circumstance you cannot imagine?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

If I was born blind, deaf, and couldn't walk or communicate in any way, I would want to die. Why live when you are not aware of your own existence?

Once you open this can of worms where are you going to draw the line?

Should we not draw a line and let people suffer in pain until they die, or let people or their parents decide?

Children who are fat suffer, their parents should be able to kill them.

Children with cleft plates suffer, their parents should be able to kill them.

Children who are gay suffer, their parents should be able to kill them.

See how stupid it sounds?

 

[Gracie]

I agree with ya Noomi.

Ok. Done with the thread.

 

[Lumpy 1]

I agree with ya Noomi.

Ok. Done with the thread.

 

[Tank]

Some children starve because their parents can't afford to feed them

 

[Noomi]

Once you open this can of worms where are you going to draw the line?

Should we not draw a line and let people suffer in pain until they die, or let people or their parents decide?

What if a child is just with real bad hearing and the parents decide that is "suffering"

I wear hearing aids because I am partially deaf. I don't consider myself to be suffering at all - apart from not being able to get a job because no one likes someone who is deaf.

Deafness isn't a disability, you can manage just fine without great hearing. I do.

 

[Noomi]

Some children starve because their parents can't afford to feed them

And that is why you have government programs to assist these families.

 

[Tank]

Some children starve because their parents can't afford to feed them

And that is why you have government programs to assist these families.

You don't get the point

 

[Noomi]

Some children starve because their parents can't afford to feed them

And that is why you have government programs to assist these families.

You don't get the point

What was your point, then?