Why again do left wingers believe taxing corporations more is helpful to the middle class?

[WinterBorn]

What does raising taxes on corporations do for the middle class?

1. Shifts tax burden from the workers to the corporations
2. Provides money for schools, infrastructure, healthcare, parks.....all of which help the middle class

Except the corporations add their taxes into the cost of doing business. In other words, those taxes are passed on to their customers in the form of higher taxes.

Ok, so their customers pay higher taxes rather than the general population.

So their customers are not the general population?

 

[rightwinger]

What does raising taxes on corporations do for the middle class?

1. Shifts tax burden from the workers to the corporations
2. Provides money for schools, infrastructure, healthcare, parks.....all of which help the middle class

Except the corporations add their taxes into the cost of doing business. In other words, those taxes are passed on to their customers in the form of higher taxes.

Idealistically, yes

But it assumes American businesses actually produce anything. The financial sector is the largest business sector in the country. They do not actually produce anything of value but make profit moving money from point A to point B. For that, they get to pay a reduced tax rate

How about we apply a tax to every stock transaction?

And the financial institutions will raise their prices for trades to cover it. Do you think stock traders will pay higher taxes without passing that on to their clients?

I pay taxes when I buy a Twinkie
Why shouldn't they pay taxes when they buy a stock?

They willingly pay exorbitant commissions to brokers....do those fees get passed on?

 

[JoeNormal]

What does raising taxes on corporations do for the middle class?

1. Shifts tax burden from the workers to the corporations
2. Provides money for schools, infrastructure, healthcare, parks.....all of which help the middle class

Except the corporations add their taxes into the cost of doing business. In other words, those taxes are passed on to their customers in the form of higher taxes.

Ok, so their customers pay higher taxes rather than the general population.

So their customers are not the general population?

Not unless everybody in the country takes their drugs.

 

[bripat9643]

"For profit" for medical care. It should not be a "for profit" industry, by definition. Profiting off of suffering is anathema to being human, and civilized.

Horse manure. Should farmers make a profit? The profit off of people starving otherwise. Should clothing manufacturers make a profit? Housing manufacturers?

All profits are made off of fulfilling human wants and needs. The theory that medical treatment is some special category is so stupid that only snowflakes would swallow it.

Ask them about evil pharmaceutical companies. Ask them how much money those companies invest in researching new drugs for dreaded diseases. Now, ask them whether or not the profit motive plays any part in the BILLIONS those companies spend. Ask them how many useful drugs have been invented in countries without the profit motive. Watch them as they squirm in their bullshit.

Most of the standard drugs that people depend upon on a daily basis were developed long ago in government funded labs or universities and then offered to private companies to commercialize.

Bullshit. Private companies develop most drugs. Furthermore, drugs that have been on the market for more than 7 years are no longer covered by a patent, so they are generally quite cheap.

Epinephrine was developed by a Japanese scientist over 100 years ago and the epipen was created by our government for the military. Yeah, now that pharma companies are huge, they do develop some of the super pricey drugs but the vast majority of drugs that people use were created long ago and almost exclusively by government funding.

You can blame the FDA for that. Their regulations are what allowed the company who manufactures Epipens to charge such a high price. Epinephrine in a vial is quite cheap.

 

[JoeNormal]

Horse manure. Should farmers make a profit? The profit off of people starving otherwise. Should clothing manufacturers make a profit? Housing manufacturers?

All profits are made off of fulfilling human wants and needs. The theory that medical treatment is some special category is so stupid that only snowflakes would swallow it.

Ask them about evil pharmaceutical companies. Ask them how much money those companies invest in researching new drugs for dreaded diseases. Now, ask them whether or not the profit motive plays any part in the BILLIONS those companies spend. Ask them how many useful drugs have been invented in countries without the profit motive. Watch them as they squirm in their bullshit.

Most of the standard drugs that people depend upon on a daily basis were developed long ago in government funded labs or universities and then offered to private companies to commercialize.

Bullshit. Private companies develop most drugs. Furthermore, drugs that have been on the market for more than 7 years are no longer covered by a patent, so they are generally quite cheap.

Epinephrine was developed by a Japanese scientist over 100 years ago and the epipen was created by our government for the military. Yeah, now that pharma companies are huge, they do develop some of the super pricey drugs but the vast majority of drugs that people use were created long ago and almost exclusively by government funding.

You can blame the FDA for that. Their regulations are what allowed the company who manufactures Epipens to charge such a high price. Epinephrine in a vial is quite cheap.

Apparently, you haven't been keeping up with current events. Does the name Heather Bresch mean anything to you?

 

[bripat9643]

The fucking post I just told you about, you illiterate douche. It was his post immediately following the patent office remark.

And yes, you're of inferior intellect, and you know it. That's why you keep desperately pining for my attention.

So you think "Let's cut to the chase . Everyone complains that the gov is ruining healthcare . Picking on the poor drug companies . Well fine . Let the drug companies fend for themselves" is proof he was being sarcastic? lol If anything, it proves the opposite.

The only one who is acting desperate here is you. You are desperately trying to save face (or regain it). All I am doing is responding to a thread in which I have been a participant. Somehow you think that makes it all about you? lol Yeah, that sure shows your intellectual superiority. (now that last sentence is what sarcasm looks like)

But run along, junior. You might be able to find someone who will let you make spurious comments without calling you on them.

He was lampooning the idea that republicans want the government out of healthcare, yet are fine with giving corporate welfare and patent protection to big pharma. Jesus, is this really THAT hard for you to understand?

Are you saying you oppose our patent laws?

Holy fucking shit. Do you morons clone each other?

Apparently you are the only one to assume Timmy meant it sarcastically. If Timmy answered my very simple question, it would solve the question.

Also, Bripat asked for clarification as well. You know, as opposed to assuming it was sarcasm.

He apparently does oppose our patent laws because he doesn't believe the inventors of new drugs should be granted a patent on them.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

What does raising taxes on corporations do for the middle class?

1. Shifts tax burden from the workers to the corporations
2. Provides money for schools, infrastructure, healthcare, parks.....all of which help the middle class

Except the corporations add their taxes into the cost of doing business. In other words, those taxes are passed on to their customers in the form of higher taxes.

Idealistically, yes

But it assumes American businesses actually produce anything. The financial sector is the largest business sector in the country. They do not actually produce anything of value but make profit moving money from point A to point B. For that, they get to pay a reduced tax rate

How about we apply a tax to every stock transaction?

And the financial institutions will raise their prices for trades to cover it. Do you think stock traders will pay higher taxes without passing that on to their clients?

I pay taxes when I buy a Twinkie
Why shouldn't they pay taxes when they buy a stock?

They willingly pay exorbitant commissions to brokers....do those fees get passed on?

Stocks can generate gains, which are taxed. Unless you are buying Twinkies as an investment?

Actually, I could see you doing that.

 

[bripat9643]

Horse manure. Should farmers make a profit? The profit off of people starving otherwise. Should clothing manufacturers make a profit? Housing manufacturers?

All profits are made off of fulfilling human wants and needs. The theory that medical treatment is some special category is so stupid that only snowflakes would swallow it.

Ask them about evil pharmaceutical companies. Ask them how much money those companies invest in researching new drugs for dreaded diseases. Now, ask them whether or not the profit motive plays any part in the BILLIONS those companies spend. Ask them how many useful drugs have been invented in countries without the profit motive. Watch them as they squirm in their bullshit.

Most of the standard drugs that people depend upon on a daily basis were developed long ago in government funded labs or universities and then offered to private companies to commercialize.

Bullshit. Private companies develop most drugs. Furthermore, drugs that have been on the market for more than 7 years are no longer covered by a patent, so they are generally quite cheap.

Bullshit. Look up Enbrel and the shenanigans Pfizer pulled off to extend their patent. It's a life-saving medication for some people and it costs $1200 per month. They got WAY more than their R&D returned on investment and now they're padding their yachts.

Exactly what shenanigans did Pfizer pull off? They applied for, and received, a 2nd patent that continued the exclusivity for another 16 years.

But please, tell us what shenanigans Pfizer pulled off. And also, tell us whether there was much probability that a generic version would have become available.

Oh, and please tell us what was spent on R&D for this drug, and how much profit was made in the first 14 years it was on the market.

Why should a company get a 2nd patent on the same drug?

 

[ColonelAngus]

And again, the rich, ultra rich and corporations will never want transparency to hide their monies.
Nice try but it will never work. Not until the working class is the ones that make the rules.

[/QUOTE]

STARBUCKS employs 250,000 people. How is that bad?

The S&P 500 employs roughly 20% of the entire USA workforce.

US Corporate tax is the HIGHEST among ANY of the G20 nations.

THE HIGHEST among these nations.

• Argentina

• Australia

• Brazil

• Canada

• China

• France

• Germany

• India

• Indonesia

• Italy

• Japan

• South Korea

• Mexico

• Russia

• Saudi Arabia

• South Africa

• Turkey

• United Kingdom

• United States

...also THE FAILING EUROPEAN UNION.

Should that be a cry for snowflakes to whine about how we should fall in line with these PROGRESSIVE NATIONS?

• European Union (EU).

 

[jc456]

Trying, always trying to figure this out. Trust me, they won't have an answer that makes any sense. They follow the same cliches that they need to "tax the rich" and "feed the poor."

Taxing corporations large amounts somehow is good for the middle class?

Do they know that when corporations are taxed less that it leads to more jobs, more jobs lead to more money stimulating the economy and more economic growth.

Do they have any other cliche or something original rather than this notion that trickle down does not work? They believe Reaganomics was bad for this country?

They actually use the notion "trickle up." Someone ought to tell them things don't trickle up. It is literally impossible and they should maybe get their own term and stop using phrases that make zero sense.

So, get ready for complete bullshit from them and more left wing marxist talking points. Nothing original.

They are so fucking stupid they do not realize that corporations are PEOPLE....from the people who mop up vomit to the CEO and everyone in between.

and don't each of those people pay taxes?

 

[jc456]

Ask them about evil pharmaceutical companies. Ask them how much money those companies invest in researching new drugs for dreaded diseases. Now, ask them whether or not the profit motive plays any part in the BILLIONS those companies spend. Ask them how many useful drugs have been invented in countries without the profit motive. Watch them as they squirm in their bullshit.

Most of the standard drugs that people depend upon on a daily basis were developed long ago in government funded labs or universities and then offered to private companies to commercialize.

Bullshit. Private companies develop most drugs. Furthermore, drugs that have been on the market for more than 7 years are no longer covered by a patent, so they are generally quite cheap.

Bullshit. Look up Enbrel and the shenanigans Pfizer pulled off to extend their patent. It's a life-saving medication for some people and it costs $1200 per month. They got WAY more than their R&D returned on investment and now they're padding their yachts.

Exactly what shenanigans did Pfizer pull off? They applied for, and received, a 2nd patent that continued the exclusivity for another 16 years.

But please, tell us what shenanigans Pfizer pulled off. And also, tell us whether there was much probability that a generic version would have become available.

Oh, and please tell us what was spent on R&D for this drug, and how much profit was made in the first 14 years it was on the market.

Why should a company get a 2nd patent on the same drug?

they found a different way and patented it.

 

[WinterBorn]

What does raising taxes on corporations do for the middle class?

1. Shifts tax burden from the workers to the corporations
2. Provides money for schools, infrastructure, healthcare, parks.....all of which help the middle class

Except the corporations add their taxes into the cost of doing business. In other words, those taxes are passed on to their customers in the form of higher taxes.

Idealistically, yes

But it assumes American businesses actually produce anything. The financial sector is the largest business sector in the country. They do not actually produce anything of value but make profit moving money from point A to point B. For that, they get to pay a reduced tax rate

How about we apply a tax to every stock transaction?

And the financial institutions will raise their prices for trades to cover it. Do you think stock traders will pay higher taxes without passing that on to their clients?

I pay taxes when I buy a Twinkie
Why shouldn't they pay taxes when they buy a stock?

They willingly pay exorbitant commissions to brokers....do those fees get passed on?

Those commissions get taxed.

And while the very rich would either pay the tax or find a loophole, the middle class folks paying into their retirement accounts would also have to pay the taxes you suggest. And they would pay it every month when they put more money towards their retirement. Except the money put towards retirement would buy less.

 

[WinterBorn]

What does raising taxes on corporations do for the middle class?

1. Shifts tax burden from the workers to the corporations
2. Provides money for schools, infrastructure, healthcare, parks.....all of which help the middle class

Except the corporations add their taxes into the cost of doing business. In other words, those taxes are passed on to their customers in the form of higher taxes.

Ok, so their customers pay higher taxes rather than the general population.

So their customers are not the general population?

Not unless everybody in the country takes their drugs.

So its ok to tax the sick?

 

[ColonelAngus]

Trying, always trying to figure this out. Trust me, they won't have an answer that makes any sense. They follow the same cliches that they need to "tax the rich" and "feed the poor."

Taxing corporations large amounts somehow is good for the middle class?

Do they know that when corporations are taxed less that it leads to more jobs, more jobs lead to more money stimulating the economy and more economic growth.

Do they have any other cliche or something original rather than this notion that trickle down does not work? They believe Reaganomics was bad for this country?

They actually use the notion "trickle up." Someone ought to tell them things don't trickle up. It is literally impossible and they should maybe get their own term and stop using phrases that make zero sense.

So, get ready for complete bullshit from them and more left wing marxist talking points. Nothing original.

They are so fucking stupid they do not realize that corporations are PEOPLE....from the people who mop up vomit to the CEO and everyone in between.

and don't each of those people pay taxes?

Yes, yes they are...at least they should be theoretically.

Not only are corporate profits taxed at 35%, everyone employed by the evil corporations pay income tax, Medicare, and Social Security. Their employer also pays for unemployment benefits and often healthcare.

 

[JoeNormal]

What does raising taxes on corporations do for the middle class?

1. Shifts tax burden from the workers to the corporations
2. Provides money for schools, infrastructure, healthcare, parks.....all of which help the middle class

Except the corporations add their taxes into the cost of doing business. In other words, those taxes are passed on to their customers in the form of higher taxes.

Ok, so their customers pay higher taxes rather than the general population.

So their customers are not the general population?

Not unless everybody in the country takes their drugs.

So its ok to tax the sick?

Well, if I had my druthers, we'd have single payer. That's not what the drug companies and their minions want. If you're trying to evoke guilt, you'd better put them at the top of the list.

 

[GaryDog]

Trying, always trying to figure this out. Trust me, they won't have an answer that makes any sense. They follow the same cliches that they need to "tax the rich" and "feed the poor."

Taxing corporations large amounts somehow is good for the middle class?

Do they know that when corporations are taxed less that it leads to more jobs, more jobs lead to more money stimulating the economy and more economic growth.

Do they have any other cliche or something original rather than this notion that trickle down does not work? They believe Reaganomics was bad for this country?

They actually use the notion "trickle up." Someone ought to tell them things don't trickle up. It is literally impossible and they should maybe get their own term and stop using phrases that make zero sense.

So, get ready for complete bullshit from them and more left wing marxist talking points. Nothing original.

They are so fucking stupid they do not realize that corporations are PEOPLE....from the people who mop up vomit to the CEO and everyone in between.

and don't each of those people pay taxes?

Yes, yes they are...at least they should be theoretically.

Not only are corporate profits taxed at 35%, everyone employed by the evil corporations pay income tax, Medicare, and Social Security. Their employer also pays for unemployment benefits and often healthcare.

Wait. Now corporations are claiming their employees' personal income tax as a burden????

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[GaryDog]

Except the corporations add their taxes into the cost of doing business. In other words, those taxes are passed on to their customers in the form of higher taxes.

Ok, so their customers pay higher taxes rather than the general population.

So their customers are not the general population?

Not unless everybody in the country takes their drugs.

So its ok to tax the sick?

Well, if I had my druthers, we'd have single payer. That's not what the drug companies and their minions want. If you're trying to evoke guilt, you'd better put them at the top of the list.

Simple. Medicare for all. We should've done it 50 years ago. It's a crime we did not. We are not a moral nation.

 

[GaryDog]

And both Bripat and I asked a question to clarify what he meant. Youdon't seem to understand the concept of asking a question or what the "?" at the end of the sentence means. You assume a lot, don't you.

But do try to stay on topic. M'kay? Otherwise you are just trolling or being an ass.

Because both of you are fucking retarded. M'kay?

At least I knew that we have, in fact, made inroads in treatments of cancer. And I knew that no one spent billions developing a drug to make Trump's dick hard.

But I see you have littleto offer in the discussion. That is why you resort to name-calling and attempts at insults.

Stick with the topic junior.

I didn't say we didn't make inroads. I said the profit motive gives incentive to cure boner droops over cancer cures. And I'm right. LEARN. TO. FUCKING. READ. ASSHOLE.

"Yeah, the profit motive has been TERRRRific. Billions going into curing Donald Trump's limp dick, yet we can't make inroads on cancer."

Once again, billions were NOT spent to make boner pills. And in the last couple of decades there have been major advances in cancer treatment, with survival rates being much higher. So you can try and spin it however you want. But you are wrong. Calling me an asshole doesn't change that.

And you can thank the govt-funded NIH for a great deal of progress we've made toward cancer research. Bottom line, nothing you grouse about changes that the profit motive encourages limiting innovation until you've maximized profit from the MOST RECENT treatment, not future cures.

 

[WinterBorn]

And both Bripat and I asked a question to clarify what he meant. Youdon't seem to understand the concept of asking a question or what the "?" at the end of the sentence means. You assume a lot, don't you.

But do try to stay on topic. M'kay? Otherwise you are just trolling or being an ass.

Because both of you are fucking retarded. M'kay?

At least I knew that we have, in fact, made inroads in treatments of cancer. And I knew that no one spent billions developing a drug to make Trump's dick hard.

But I see you have littleto offer in the discussion. That is why you resort to name-calling and attempts at insults.

Stick with the topic junior.

I didn't say we didn't make inroads. I said the profit motive gives incentive to cure boner droops over cancer cures. And I'm right. LEARN. TO. FUCKING. READ. ASSHOLE.

"Yeah, the profit motive has been TERRRRific. Billions going into curing Donald Trump's limp dick, yet we can't make inroads on cancer."

Once again, billions were NOT spent to make boner pills. And in the last couple of decades there have been major advances in cancer treatment, with survival rates being much higher. So you can try and spin it however you want. But you are wrong. Calling me an asshole doesn't change that.

And you can thank the govt-funded NIH for a great deal of progress we've made toward cancer research. Bottom line, nothing you grouse about changes that the profit motive encourages limiting innovation until you've maximized profit from the MOST RECENT treatment, not future cures.

Yes, NIH has been part of the progress we have made. And so are numerous other research institutions, both private and gov't. No single entity has done it all.

That is why is was so amusing that you claimed we can't make inroads against cancer.

 

[WinterBorn]

Trying, always trying to figure this out. Trust me, they won't have an answer that makes any sense. They follow the same cliches that they need to "tax the rich" and "feed the poor."

Taxing corporations large amounts somehow is good for the middle class?

Do they know that when corporations are taxed less that it leads to more jobs, more jobs lead to more money stimulating the economy and more economic growth.

Do they have any other cliche or something original rather than this notion that trickle down does not work? They believe Reaganomics was bad for this country?

They actually use the notion "trickle up." Someone ought to tell them things don't trickle up. It is literally impossible and they should maybe get their own term and stop using phrases that make zero sense.

So, get ready for complete bullshit from them and more left wing marxist talking points. Nothing original.

They are so fucking stupid they do not realize that corporations are PEOPLE....from the people who mop up vomit to the CEO and everyone in between.

and don't each of those people pay taxes?

Yes, yes they are...at least they should be theoretically.

Not only are corporate profits taxed at 35%, everyone employed by the evil corporations pay income tax, Medicare, and Social Security. Their employer also pays for unemployment benefits and often healthcare.

Wait. Now corporations are claiming their employees' personal income tax as a burden????

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I believe earlier you said to me "LEARN. TO. READ.

You might try that yourself. No one said corporations are claiming their employee's personal income taxes are a burden.