Why Are Americans and Conservatives So Afraid of Socialism?

[JusticeHammer]

They don't see blacks as Americans.

They had serfs in Russia, Britain, Germany, but they always saw the serfs as part of their people, their tribe, if you will.

Many Americans don't see blacks as the tribe.

They don't want to give money to outsiders, and they think of black Americans as outsiders.

Racist commie pissant^^^

 

[GHook20]

What an interesting blog article on American ideas about civil responsibility and the knee jerk reaction of Americans generally, and Conservatives specifically, to fear community welfare and immediately associate it with socialism or communism. It led to her asking “What are you so afraid of?”, and she received 5 specific groups of fears:

1. I’m scared of having to pay for other people’s laziness
2. I’m scared because I don’t trust my government or other people generally
3. I’m scared because socialism leads to authoritarianism
4. I’m scared because socialists and communists kill a lot of people
5. I’m not scared, socialism always fails

She has some good responses to these fears that I can’t do just to for a short attention span. Read the link if you want. I think these fears keep America from being a great and caring nation.

Why Are Americans and Conservatives So Afraid of Socialism?
I went a little bit viral on TikTok recently for voicing the unthinkable: I said that I like paying taxes. As you might imagine, the Americans and Conservatives in my comment section were shocked and appalled. The words communist and socialist were thrown around like insults, images of gulags and famine were invoked to prove some kind of vague and poorly-articulated point about freedom.

In contrast, the (predominantly western/northern) Europeans seemed to find my explanation pretty fair and even stopped to correct me on some of the finer points of Scottish, Scandinavian and German socialist democracy.

What shocked me, however, was not that so many Americans and Conservatives seemed to misunderstand fundamental aspects of civil life — like taxation — but that so many seemed so vehemently opposed to any suggestion that we should all contribute to the collective welfare of our countrymen.

Curiosity piqued, yesterday I made the mistake of asking Americans and Conservatives: “What is it about communism/socialism that scares you?” Here’s what they said.

Because it has failed everywhere is have been tried… Denmark, Norway and Sweden are very much capitalistic free market countries, while they do have very big social nets, they are no ranked easier to do business and start a business in then big government USA , but they also tax the hell out of everyone, not just the rich.

 

[Rigby5]

Because it has failed everywhere is have been tried… Denmark, Norway and Sweden are very much capitalistic free market countries, while they do have very big social nets, they are no ranked easier to do business and start a business in then big government USA , but they also tax the hell out of everyone, not just the rich.

Denmark, Norway, and Sweden are VERY socialist countries.
They verge on communism.
You do not know what socialism is.
Socialism can have capitalist enterprises as long as they are regulated against abuses, like child labor, monopolies, union busting, etc.
They have high taxes but you get your money's worth.
They have excellent social services, transportation, health care, etc.

 

[Rigby5]

Both the Soviet Union and Communist China have (present or past-tense) held themselves out to practice 'socialism'... they've tarnished the 'brand'.

True that it is normal for people to be confused when Stalin killed off all the communists and started a state capitalist country, but still called it capitalist.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Ugh Canada has already turned on Trudeau. We are not Canada, dummy. Besides that... Canada has to rely on us even though they still remain socialist. Why do they still need our help? Cause socialism sucks.

So, why is the US, helping a 'socialist' country?
After all, Canadians burned down the white house.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Yep. You just don’t understand much of anything.

On 16 January 2016, Maduro approved an unconstitutional economic emergency decree, relegating to his own figure the legislative and executive powers, while also holding judiciary power through the fraudulent designation of judges the day after the election on 6 December 2015.
From these events, Maduro effectively controls all three branches of government. On 14 May 2016, constitutional guarantees were in fact suspended when Maduro decreed the extension of the economic emergency decree for another 60 days and declared a State of Emergency, which is a clear violation of the Constitution of Venezuela in the Article 338th: "The approval of the extension of States of emergency corresponds to the National Assembly."
Thus, constitutional rights in Venezuela are considered suspended in fact by many publications and public figures.

Yep. You just don’t understand much of anything.

On 16 January 2016, Maduro approved an unconstitutional economic emergency decree, relegating to his own figure the legislative and executive powers, while also holding judiciary power through the fraudulent designation of judges the day after the election on 6 December 2015.

Michael Flynn wanted Trump to declare martial law to redo election.
Trump and McTurtle stacked the supreme court.

Just hours after Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg's death on Friday, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said President Trump's nominee to replace her "will receive a vote on the floor of the United States Senate." But four years ago, when Justice Antonin Scalia died in an election year, McConnell repeatedly argued against even holding a hearing for a replacement.
The Kentucky Republican notoriously refused to hold a hearing for Merrick Garland, who then-President Barack Obama chose to fill Scalia's seat eight months before the election. McConnell's block left the Supreme Court with an empty sear for more than a year, until Mr. Trump's nominee Neil Gorsuch was sworn in.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

/----/ We understand taxation and why it's needed. What we are concerned about (not scared) is how irresponsible Washington is with our money. $30 trillion in debt doesn't "SCARE" you in the least bit?

Sure you are, at election time or when a democrat is in office.

In a March 31, 2016, interview with Bob Woodward and Robert Costa of The Washington Post, Trump said he could pay down the national debt, then about $19 trillion, “over a period of eight years” by renegotiating trade deals and spurring economic growth.

On July 27, 2018, he told Sean Hannity of Fox News: “We have $21 trillion in debt. When this [the 2017 tax cut] really kicks in, we’ll start paying off that debt like it’s water.”

By early 2019, the national debt had climbed to $22 trillion. Trump’s budget proposal for 2020 called it a “grave threat to our economic and societal prosperity” and asserted that the U.S. was experiencing a “national debt crisis.” However, that same budget proposal included substantial growth in the national debt.

By the end of 2019, the debt had risen to $23.2 trillion and more federal officials were sounding the alarm. “Not since World War II has the country seen deficits during times of low unemployment that are as large.

$4 trillion in two years, not a peep from republitards.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

When did Trump try to do any of that, you lying douchebag?

Right after the election, Trump lost......................again.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

When did Democrats ever reduce spending or even reduce the rate of growth?

Clinton and Obama did.

• FY 2010: Obama's first budget created a deficit of just under $1.3 trillion.
• FY 2011: This budget deficit was $1.3 trillion.
• FY 2012: The deficit was $1.1 trillion.
• FY 2013: This was the first Obama budget where the deficit, $680 billion, was less than $1 trillion.
• FY 2014: The deficit was $483 billion.8 Tax revenue rose to $3.02 trillion.
• FY 2015: The deficit fell further to $439 billion.
• FY 2016: The deficit rose to $587 billion.
• FY 2017: The deficit was $665 billion.12 It was $162 billion more than the $503 billion deficit estimated in Obama's budget request.

Tip O'Neil declared every budget Reagan submitted "dead on arrival" because it didn't spend enough money. Watching you morons blubber about deficit spending is hilarious.

You're FOS, as usual.
That was NOOT and McTurtle.

Biden just tried to spend $5 trillion, moron.

Not even close, lying retard.

That was before COVID, moron.

No shit dumbass, that makes it even worse, imbecile.

 

[Kondor3]

True that it is normal for people to be confused when Stalin killed off all the communists and started a state capitalist country, but still called it capitalist.

"When you have to explain yourself, you've already lost the argument." - labels are important, and the Socialist 'brand' was damaged beyond repair for the US...

Fact.

 

[cnm]

Because propaganda pushed by the oligarchy and duopoly works.

And it's taken in with mothers' milk.

 

[cnm]

Many Americans don't see blacks as the tribe.

They don't want to give money to outsiders, and they think of black Americans as outsiders.

It's why you can't have single payer health care.

 

[cnm]

Only blacks benefit from socialism? Goddamn, you are one racist sumbitch.
You are in good company. Most of you authoritarian shit stains are.
And by "good" i mean a bunch of worthless, racist, pieces of shit.

No, not only Blacks will benefit, but because they will, 'social democrat' norms are a non starter in the US.

 

[citygator]

Really scary? Hmm. Free countries mostly with hefty safety nets.

 

[TNHarley]

No, not only Blacks will benefit, but because they will, 'social democrat' norms are a non starter in the US.

take it up with the racist

 

[Cellblock2429]

Sure you are, at election time or when a democrat is in office.

In a March 31, 2016, interview with Bob Woodward and Robert Costa of The Washington Post, Trump said he could pay down the national debt, then about $19 trillion, “over a period of eight years” by renegotiating trade deals and spurring economic growth.

On July 27, 2018, he told Sean Hannity of Fox News: “We have $21 trillion in debt. When this [the 2017 tax cut] really kicks in, we’ll start paying off that debt like it’s water.”

By early 2019, the national debt had climbed to $22 trillion. Trump’s budget proposal for 2020 called it a “grave threat to our economic and societal prosperity” and asserted that the U.S. was experiencing a “national debt crisis.” However, that same budget proposal included substantial growth in the national debt.

By the end of 2019, the debt had risen to $23.2 trillion and more federal officials were sounding the alarm. “Not since World War II has the country seen deficits during times of low unemployment that are as large.

$4 trillion in two years, not a peep from republitards.

/----/ You need to get a preschool primer on how government works. I'll try and dumb it down so even you can understand.
CONGRESS CONTROLS THE SPENDING AND TAXATION. ALL THE PRESIDENT CAN DO IS PRESENT HIS IDEAS AND AGENDA. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY CONGRESS MAKES THE CALL. As an example, Dementia Joe can't get his BBB plan passed because it's being held up in the Senate. You seem to think the president can just write laws and pass them all by his lonesome.
The Little Book of Government: (Children's Book about Government, Introduction to Government and How It Works, Children, Kids Ages 3 10, Preschool, Kindergarten, First Grade) Paperback – December 8, 2020

 

[Cellblock2429]

Really scary? Hmm. Free countries mostly with hefty safety nets.
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/----/ Is Finland providing military protection for other free nations like the USA is? Is Finland being overrun by hoards of illegals streaming over the border signing up for welfare? Does Finland have rampant crime in big cities to contend with? This looks like a survey crafted to make socialist countries look good and the USA look bad. So when are you moving to Finland? Never, I bet.

 

[DBA]

Really scary? Hmm. Free countries mostly with hefty safety nets.
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All extremely homogenous societies. Diversity sounds neat and all, but you need like minded and people with similar goals to make it work.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

/----/ You need to get a preschool primer on how government works. I'll try and dumb it down so even you can understand.
CONGRESS CONTROLS THE SPENDING AND TAXATION. ALL THE PRESIDENT CAN DO IS PRESENT HIS IDEAS AND AGENDA. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY CONGRESS MAKES THE CALL. As an example, Dementia Joe can't get his BBB plan passed because it's being held up in the Senate. You seem to think the president can just write laws and pass them all by his lonesome.
The Little Book of Government: (Children's Book about Government, Introduction to Government and How It Works, Children, Kids Ages 3 10, Preschool, Kindergarten, First Grade) Paperback – December 8, 2020
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WTF, idiot?

Guess HOW Trump got his $2.3 trillion tax cut into a bill?

Last Thursday in New York, Republican presidential candidate Donald J. Trump released a tax reform plan.[1] The plan would reform the individual income tax code by lowering marginal tax rates on wages, investment, and business income.

On November 2, 2017, Chairman Kevin Brady (R-TX) of the House Committee on Ways and Means released a tax reform plan, known as the House Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. The plan would reform the individual income tax code by lowering tax rates on wages, investment, and business income; broadening the tax base; and simplifying the tax code. The plan would lower the corporate income tax rate to 20 percent and move the United States from a worldwide to a territorial system of taxation.

 

[cnm]

Only blacks benefit from socialism? Goddamn, you are one racist sumbitch.
You are in good company. Most of you authoritarian shit stains are.
And by "good" i mean a bunch of worthless, racist, pieces of shit.

Hmmm

Thinking he wont get a fair trial simply because of the color of the jurors skin, is pretty racist. You are racist. Of course, everyone here, including you, already knew that.

So is thinking something hilarious simply because of the colour of the praisers' skin also racist?

Its hilarious watching blacks praise a cop for shooting an unarmed person.