Why are "atheists" offended by "G-d" ?

[gallantwarrior]

Here’s the conundrum we are faced with:
Self-declared atheists, or anti-theists, when demanding that any expression of ecumenical nature be restricted to only those places specifically set aside for the sole expression such expression of religious belief, and simultaneously insisting that nothing other than secular declarations be allowed in public venues, are in fact establishing that only their accepted expression of faith and fervor are to be uttered in any public gathering or location to the exclusion of any other utterance of faith. In other words, the anti-theists would exclude any expression of faith except those praising government as a separate entity presiding exclusively over any public gathering. Not other avocation is to be permitted as this is perceived as offensive to government and those who only accept unquestioning faith that government is the answer to all woes and misfortunes experienced by man.
Any utterance of a "god" that is anathema to those whose faith is firmly established in the secular ideology shall be thoroughly discredited and proclaimed against the interest of the population at large, and thereby not to be tolerated.

 

[daveman]

The Russians probably did because they were reacting to centuries of theocratic oppression.

Are you sure it wasn't in Marxist writings and literature to abolish religion, as it worship of a deity interferes with the worship of the state?

Yes, I'm sure that wasn't it. At least not entirely. You may have forgotten that our founders rebelled against a theocratic regime.

Marx:

The foundation of irreligious criticism is: Man makes religion, religion does not make man. Religion is, indeed, the self-consciousness and self-esteem of man who has either not yet won through to himself, or has already lost himself again. But man is no abstract being squatting outside the world. Man is the world of man – state, society. This state and this society produce religion, which is an inverted consciousness of the world, because they are an inverted world. Religion is the general theory of this world, its encyclopaedic compendium, its logic in popular form, its spiritual point d’honneur, its enthusiasm, its moral sanction, its solemn complement, and its universal basis of consolation and justification. It is the fantastic realization of the human essence since the human essence has not acquired any true reality. The struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion.

Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.

The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo.​

Lenin:

So far as the party of the socialist proletariat is concerned, religion is not a private affair. Our Party is an association of class-conscious, advanced fighters for the emancipation of the working class. Such an association cannot and must not be indifferent to lack of class-consciousness, ignorance or obscurantism in the shape of religious beliefs. We demand complete disestablishment of the Church so as to be able to combat the religious fog with purely ideo logical and solely ideological weapons, by means of our press and by word of mouth. But we founded our association, the Russian Social-Democratic Labour Party, precisely for such a struggle against every religious bamboozling of the workers. And to us the ideological struggle is not a private affair, but the affair of the whole Party, of the whole proletariat.​

Kinda looks like you're wrong.

 

[daveman]

Why are "atheists" offended by "G-d" ?

Those free from faith aren’t; since there is no ‘god,’ there’s nothing to be 'offended by.'

Persons free from faith are, of course, justifiably concerned about fearful, arrogant theists who seek to codify their subjective religious dogma into secular laws, in violation of the Framers’ intent to keep church and state separate.

And consequently every American, those of faith and free from faith, should be ever vigilant to safeguard our religious liberty from arrogant, ignorant theists hostile to religious liberty, including the liberty to indeed be free from faith.

Good think Dominionists are an exceedingly small minority of Americans, huh?

 

[daveman]

Why are "atheists" offended by "G-d" ?

They don't mind it when it's followed by "damn America".

 

[Plasmaball]

Why are "atheists" offended by "G-d" ?

They don't mind it when it's followed by "damn America".

Least they arent banging kids in the name of god..or blowing people up

 

[daveman]

Why are "atheists" offended by "G-d" ?

They don't mind it when it's followed by "damn America".

Least they arent banging kids in the name of god..or blowing people up

You know God doesn't really approve of those things, right?

People do all kinds of evil shit based on their beliefs. Progressives are no different.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Why are "atheists" offended by "G-d" ?

They don't mind it when it's followed by "damn America".

Least they arent banging kids in the name of god..or blowing people up

Are you sure there aren't/weren't any atheist drone pilots bombing children on Obama's/Bush's orders in the Middle East?

Are you sure Bush and Kerry don't go to Bohemian Grove rituals and do mock child sacrifices?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNpQ6kM8ANo]Bohemian Grove (Human Sacrifice) caught on tape - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Peterf]

Here’s the conundrum we are faced with:
Self-declared atheists, or anti-theists, when demanding that any expression of ecumenical nature be restricted to only those places specifically set aside for the sole expression such expression of religious belief, and simultaneously insisting that nothing other than secular declarations be allowed in public venues, are in fact establishing that only their accepted expression of faith and fervor are to be uttered in any public gathering or location to the exclusion of any other utterance of faith. In other words, the anti-theists would exclude any expression of faith except those praising government as a separate entity presiding exclusively over any public gathering. Not other avocation is to be permitted as this is perceived as offensive to government and those who only accept unquestioning faith that government is the answer to all woes and misfortunes experienced by man.
Any utterance of a "god" that is anathema to those whose faith is firmly established in the secular ideology shall be thoroughly discredited and proclaimed against the interest of the population at large, and thereby not to be tolerated.

Not at all. Atheists have no objection to private citizens proclaiming their faiths wherever and whenever they want. What we dislike is public officials using public money to support superstition.

 

[daws101]

why is it that the OP will not spell out the word GOD?
AFRAID OF A IMAGINARY SKY FAIRY ARE WE?

 

[Wry Catcher]

If you don't believe that G-d exists, then why are you offended and afraid of mentioning His name? Why most we all bow down before you politically correct bullshit of omitting G-d? Since you don't believe in G-d, you shouldn't care whether we mention His name or not.

I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic, but I question your premise that "athiests are offended and afraid of mentioning his name". How do you know all, or even one, atheist is so offended and afraid"?

Clearly you don't. It's threads such as this one that makes one wonder if you're on drugs, or that you are trying to be a troll but lack the intellectual capacity necessary (and that's not a high bar).

 

[Chuckt]

If you don't believe that G-d exists, then why are you offended and afraid of mentioning His name? Why most we all bow down before you politically correct bullshit of omitting G-d? Since you don't believe in G-d, you shouldn't care whether we mention His name or not.

I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic, but I question your premise that "athiests are offended and afraid of mentioning his name". How do you know all, or even one, atheist is so offended and afraid"?

Clearly you don't. It's threads such as this one that makes one wonder if you're on drugs, or that you are trying to be a troll but lack the intellectual capacity necessary (and that's not a high bar).

Some feel a necessity to survive because they feel it is a matter of survival and it is an us vs them mentality.

Others feel insecure and if they wanted theyir scientific / anti God research to be taken credible then they have to get rid of all the Christians.

If you want a job in paleontology, you pretty much can't be a Christian because they won't hire you.

 

[Alfalfa]

Hilarious. A jebus humper erroneously asks why atheists are afraid of mentioning the name of his preferred deity and then spells it out G - D...heheh.

As the irony flew right over his head...

 

[WillReadmore]

Some feel a necessity to survive because they feel it is a matter of survival and it is an us vs them mentality.

Others feel insecure and if they wanted theyir scientific / anti God research to be taken credible then they have to get rid of all the Christians.

If you want a job in paleontology, you pretty much can't be a Christian because they won't hire you.

I'll bet you'll find that the majority of US scientists are Christians. In Israel, you'll find that the majority of scientists are Jews. In India, you'll probably find that the majority of scientists are Hindu.

Christians aren't prevented from using the rules of science to investigate our universe.

On the other hand, if some Christian wants to insist on using the rules of his/her religion to investigate the universe, then it's unlikely to pass as science for obvious reasons.

 

[Chuckt]

Some feel a necessity to survive because they feel it is a matter of survival and it is an us vs them mentality.

Others feel insecure and if they wanted theyir scientific / anti God research to be taken credible then they have to get rid of all the Christians.

If you want a job in paleontology, you pretty much can't be a Christian because they won't hire you.

I'll bet you'll find that the majority of US scientists are Christians. In Israel, you'll find that the majority of scientists are Jews. In India, you'll probably find that the majority of scientists are Hindu.

Christians aren't prevented from using the rules of science to investigate our universe.

On the other hand, if some Christian wants to insist on using the rules of his/her religion to investigate the universe, then it's unlikely to pass as science for obvious reasons.

What do scientists think about religion? - Los Angeles Times
articles.latimes.com/2009/nov/24/opinion/la-oe-masci24-2009nov24*
Nov 24, 2009 - Nearly half of U.S. scientists say they have no religious affiliation -- describing themselves as atheist, agnostic or nothing in particular

What do scientists think about religion? - Los Angeles Times

 

[WillReadmore]

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.-Ephesians 2:8-9

Nobody gets into heaven based on what they have done because their blood isn't on the door:

Exodus 12:7 And they shall take of the blood, and strike [it] on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.
Exodus 12:13 And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye [are]: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy [you], when I smite the land of Egypt.

Yes, the bible describes two religions - the old testament religion that flows through Judaism and the new testament religion of most divisions of modern Christians.

But, members of each of these faiths can use science if they want to.

There is no restriction on that.

 

[daws101]

Some feel a necessity to survive because they feel it is a matter of survival and it is an us vs them mentality.

Others feel insecure and if they wanted theyir scientific / anti God research to be taken credible then they have to get rid of all the Christians.

If you want a job in paleontology, you pretty much can't be a Christian because they won't hire you.

I'll bet you'll find that the majority of US scientists are Christians. In Israel, you'll find that the majority of scientists are Jews. In India, you'll probably find that the majority of scientists are Hindu.

Christians aren't prevented from using the rules of science to investigate our universe.

On the other hand, if some Christian wants to insist on using the rules of his/her religion to investigate the universe, then it's unlikely to pass as science for obvious reasons.

Nature, "Leading scientists still reject God"* July 23, 1998

 

[Luddly Neddite]

If you don't believe that G-d exists, then why are you offended and afraid of mentioning His name? Why most we all bow down before you politically correct bullshit of omitting G-d? Since you don't believe in G-d, you shouldn't care whether we mention His name or not.

I'm a life-long atheist and have felt offense at anyone mentioning their god. Doesn't matter which god they worship- just doesn't enter into my life in any way.

OTOH, I feel no need or desire to put up with some knuckle dragging jerk and his/her grandmother at my door on Sat morning. I won't mistreat them but I will order them off my property and close the door in their face.

Big difference is, none of the various gods think they have to come pounding on my door, or, for that matter, accosting me any place else.

I once had a woman all but attack me in a park, wanting to know if I had a "home church" and would I come with her.

Keep your god in his or her church and I won't bother you either.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.-Ephesians 2:8-9

Nobody gets into heaven based on what they have done because their blood isn't on the door:

Exodus 12:7 And they shall take of the blood, and strike [it] on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.
Exodus 12:13 And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye [are]: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy [you], when I smite the land of Egypt.

Yes, the bible describes two religions - the old testament religion that flows through Judaism and the new testament religion of most divisions of modern Christians.

But, members of each of these faiths can use science if they want to.

There is no restriction on that.

Funny, that.

What other drugs are allowed?

 

[WillReadmore]

Some feel a necessity to survive because they feel it is a matter of survival and it is an us vs them mentality.

Others feel insecure and if they wanted theyir scientific / anti God research to be taken credible then they have to get rid of all the Christians.

If you want a job in paleontology, you pretty much can't be a Christian because they won't hire you.

I'll bet you'll find that the majority of US scientists are Christians. In Israel, you'll find that the majority of scientists are Jews. In India, you'll probably find that the majority of scientists are Hindu.

Christians aren't prevented from using the rules of science to investigate our universe.

On the other hand, if some Christian wants to insist on using the rules of his/her religion to investigate the universe, then it's unlikely to pass as science for obvious reasons.

Nature, "Leading scientists still reject God"* July 23, 1998

Yes, I've see that. However, I don't know what questions they actually asked, etc.

Perhaps more importantly, I still don't see this as particularly interesting. If Christians want to follow the rules of science, there is nobody stopping them from being eminent scientists. If they choose to spend their time in other pursuits, that's OK, too.

Science is what it is. It's not as if the rules of science can be changed to accept religious argument as science.

 

[Avatar4321]

Why are "atheists" offended by "G-d" ?

They don't mind it when it's followed by "damn America".

Least they arent banging kids in the name of god..or blowing people up

Im not aware of anyone banging kids in the name of God.