Why are Liberals lying so much about the HL Ruling?

[Luissa]

You're not getting it. It's after the egg is fertilized. That is their belief. That's the issue and that is why you can't address it.

Their belief is not based in fact, moron. Plan B has no effect on a fertilized egg.

Irrelevant.

Sure.

 

[Luissa]

In other words, you were wrong.

Are you really that stupid? Stopping and preventing ovulation is exactly what it does. Do you understand how ovulation works? What ovulation is? I am guessing no.

You do understand ovulation begins before the egg is released from the ovary right?

Your own links proved that only occurs if it is taken at the right time. There is also a question if it actually does delay ovulation even if taken at the right time. The latest studies suggest that it actually prevents fertilization.

But, please, feel free to keep making claims you have debunked.

You really have no clue how ovulation works, do you? And how birth control works.
This argument is pointless, because you have no basic knowledge of the subject.

 

[Luissa]

How many times do we have to keep posting that Plan B does abort a fertilized egg?

It doesn't. I have provided a link stating so.

Or do you want to claim every birth control some hobby lobby covers that has progestin in it causes a fertilized egg to abort?



I will post it again, since you guys seem to be extra stupid today.

"ata from recent studies continues to provide strong evidence that Plan B does not prevent implantation (this also seems to be true for Ella, another emergency contraceptive option). The majority of research claims that the primary way that Plan B works is by preventing or delaying ovulation--if Plan B is taken before ovulation occurs. By not allowing the egg to release, there is nothing available for sperm to fertilize, thus preventing a pregnancy from occurring."



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“Does not prevent embryo implantation and therefore cannot be labeled as abortifacient.”

In 2007, studies demonstrated evidence that Plan B did not prevent the attachment of human embryos to the uterine wall. Researchers obtained discarded fertilized eggs from fertility clinics. After exposing these eggs to the progestin (found in Plan B) in a simulated environment, results demonstrated that the presence of the progestin did not prevent the eggs from attaching to cells that line the uterus."





ONCE MORE, IT PREVENTS OVULATION.

Simulated laboratory environments are not all that reliable.



Yes before ovulation occurs.

If fertilization does occur, Plan B One-Step may prevent a fertilized egg from attaching to the womb. If a fertilized egg is implanted prior to taking Plan B One-Step, the drug will not work and pregnancy proceeds normally

Which you keep ingoing.

Two different studies. Are you claiming other birth controls with progestin the same ones hobby lobby covers prevents eggs from implanting? Is that what you are claiming?
I will give you a clue, it is ineffective after an egg is fertilized which is proven in two different studies.

 

[Ibentoken]

Are you really that stupid? Stopping and preventing ovulation is exactly what it does. Do you understand how ovulation works? What ovulation is? I am guessing no.

You do understand ovulation begins before the egg is released from the ovary right?

Your own links proved that only occurs if it is taken at the right time. There is also a question if it actually does delay ovulation even if taken at the right time. The latest studies suggest that it actually prevents fertilization.

But, please, feel free to keep making claims you have debunked.

You really have no clue how ovulation works, do you? And how birth control works.
This argument is pointless, because you have no basic knowledge of the subject.

The subject is religious rights. Perhaps you're confused.

 

[peach174]

It doesn't. I have provided a link stating so.

Or do you want to claim every birth control some hobby lobby covers that has progestin in it causes a fertilized egg to abort?



I will post it again, since you guys seem to be extra stupid today.

"ata from recent studies continues to provide strong evidence that Plan B does not prevent implantation (this also seems to be true for Ella, another emergency contraceptive option). The majority of research claims that the primary way that Plan B works is by preventing or delaying ovulation--if Plan B is taken before ovulation occurs. By not allowing the egg to release, there is nothing available for sperm to fertilize, thus preventing a pregnancy from occurring."



"

“Does not prevent embryo implantation and therefore cannot be labeled as abortifacient.”

In 2007, studies demonstrated evidence that Plan B did not prevent the attachment of human embryos to the uterine wall. Researchers obtained discarded fertilized eggs from fertility clinics. After exposing these eggs to the progestin (found in Plan B) in a simulated environment, results demonstrated that the presence of the progestin did not prevent the eggs from attaching to cells that line the uterus."





ONCE MORE, IT PREVENTS OVULATION.

Simulated laboratory environments are not all that reliable.



Yes before ovulation occurs.

If fertilization does occur, Plan B One-Step may prevent a fertilized egg from attaching to the womb. If a fertilized egg is implanted prior to taking Plan B One-Step, the drug will not work and pregnancy proceeds normally

Which you keep ingoing.

Two different studies. Are you claiming other birth controls with progestin the same ones hobby lobby covers prevents eggs from implanting? Is that what you are claiming?
I will give you a clue, it is ineffective after an egg is fertilized which is proven in two different studies.

I put up a link to a web site from Doctors.
You put up a link from about.com

The plan B pill is a much stronger dose.
Plan B: 11 Questions, 11 Answers

Each pill contains levonorgestrel, a synthetic version of the hormone progestin. Levonorgestrel has been used in birth control pills for over 35 years. Plan B One-Step contains a higher dose of levonorgestrel than that in regular birth control pills.

Plan B One-Step works like other birth control pills to prevent pregnancy. The drug acts primarily by stopping the release of an egg from the ovary. It may prevent a sperm from fertilizing the egg.

If fertilization does occur, Plan B One-Step may prevent a fertilized egg from attaching to the womb


You think that the Supreme Court does not do research before they make their rulings?
They do.

From your own link Luissa;
as emergency contraception to prevent pregnancy after birth control failure.

 

[Peach]

The mechanism of Plan B has yet to be definitively determined:

Research also suggests that the progestin (levonorgestrel) in Plan B may help avoid pregnancy by altering the movement of sperm. Some studies report that this progestin can cause cervical mucus to thicken, making it harder for sperm to reach an egg. Additional data reports that the presence of this progestin can cause sperm to become hyperactive or “confused,” thereby affecting the direction in which they swim.

How Plan B Works

The labeling as an abortificient was an error, though some types of "birth control" pills DO prevent implantation.

The final way that the pill works to prevent pregnancy has to do with the uterine lining. Hormonal contraceptives may cause changes to the lining of the uterus. The hormones in these methods can thin out or prevent the growth of uterine tissue. This may reduce the likelihood of implantation.

 

[Luissa]

Sigh.

I gave you a chance to do some basic research and learn the facts, you chose to stick with being wrong. Your claim is that the only thing Plan B does is stop ovulation.

Plan B (Morning-After Pill): Effectiveness and Side Effects

"What Research Shows

Data from recent studies continues to provide strong evidence that Plan B does not prevent implantation (this also seems to be true for Ella, another emergency contraceptive option). The majority of research claims that the primary way that Plan B works is by preventing or delaying ovulation--if Plan B is taken before ovulation occurs. By not allowing the egg to release, there is nothing available for sperm to fertilize, thus preventing a pregnancy from occurring."

"In several research studies, women were given Plan B after determining (via hormone tests) which women had ovulated and which had not. The results all showed that none of the women who took Plan B before ovulation became pregnant (these results really help to emphasize how Plan B works by delaying ovulation). Pregnancies only occurred in women who took Plan B on or after the day of ovulation, and these women became pregnant at the same rate as women who have not taken Plan B. Such results prompted researchers Noé, Croxatto, Salvatierra, and Reyes (2011) to conclude that Plan B
“Does not prevent embryo implantation and therefore cannot be labeled as abortifacient.”
How Plan B Works

Sigh


I will also add this.

"In 2007, studies demonstrated evidence that Plan B did not prevent the attachment of human embryos to the uterine wall. Researchers obtained discarded fertilized eggs from fertility clinics. After exposing these eggs to the progestin (found in Plan B) in a simulated environment, results demonstrated that the presence of the progestin did not prevent the eggs from attaching to cells that line the uterus."

"So, the majority of research reveals that using Plan B does not cause any changes in the lining of the uterus (endometrium). Because Plan B does not have any effect on endometrium, researchers have concluded that this emergency contraceptive cannot prevent implantation of a fertilized egg. Many researchers have further explained the notion that Plan B does not stop implantation from occurring is probably the reason that it's not 100% effective at preventing an unintended pregnancy--as well as why Plan B is less effective the longer you wait to use it."


Two different studies have proven it ineffective in causing eggs to not implant... Sigh


This about the third time I have posted this.

Doesn't change the fact that your repeated claims that it works by by delaying ovulation were wrong, does it?

Um, I have posted a few links proving exactly what I said. You have no clue what you are talking about.
Low dose progestin has only minimal effect on delaying or preventing ovulation, which is why Plan B is a higher dose. You are wrong, you have no clue what you are talking about, and until you do I would suggest not commenting.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Can't Democrats be honest about anything?



The ruling didn't take away anyone's right to contraception. It simply says that certain companies, following very strict rules, can refuse to pay for it.



The woman can still get it if she wants it. She simply has to pay for it herself or use another Government programs, such as Planned Parenthood, to get it.



Hobby Lobby has been offering 16 different forms of contraception for years. They only object to 4 different specific types that caused abortions.



Democrats are such liars.

Ironic post is ironic...

I will give you a hint, none of the four cause an abortion. You lied in your OP.

No. They just terminate a pregnancy.

 

[Luissa]

The mechanism of Plan B has yet to be definitively determined:

Research also suggests that the progestin (levonorgestrel) in Plan B may help avoid pregnancy by altering the movement of sperm. Some studies report that this progestin can cause cervical mucus to thicken, making it harder for sperm to reach an egg. Additional data reports that the presence of this progestin can cause sperm to become hyperactive or “confused,” thereby affecting the direction in which they swim.

How Plan B Works

The labeling as an abortificient was an error, though some types of "birth control" pills DO prevent implantation.

The final way that the pill works to prevent pregnancy has to do with the uterine lining. Hormonal contraceptives may cause changes to the lining of the uterus. The hormones in these methods can thin out or prevent the growth of uterine tissue. This may reduce the likelihood of implantation.

From that link:
"Data from recent studies continues to provide strong evidence that Plan B does not prevent implantation (this also seems to be true for Ella, another emergency contraceptive option). The majority of research claims that the primary way that Plan B works is by preventing or delaying ovulation--if Plan B is taken before ovulation occurs. By not allowing the egg to release, there is nothing available for sperm to fertilize, thus preventing a pregnancy from occurring."

QW you should pay attention to this, when a egg does not release that is preventing ovulation.

 

[Luissa]

Can't Democrats be honest about anything?



The ruling didn't take away anyone's right to contraception. It simply says that certain companies, following very strict rules, can refuse to pay for it.



The woman can still get it if she wants it. She simply has to pay for it herself or use another Government programs, such as Planned Parenthood, to get it.



Hobby Lobby has been offering 16 different forms of contraception for years. They only object to 4 different specific types that caused abortions.



Democrats are such liars.

Ironic post is ironic...

I will give you a hint, none of the four cause an abortion. You lied in your OP.

No. They just terminate a pregnancy.

NO, it doesn't.

 

[peach174]

Ironic post is ironic...

I will give you a hint, none of the four cause an abortion. You lied in your OP.

No. They just terminate a pregnancy.

NO, it doesn't.

Then why would a woman take Plan B as emergency contraception to prevent pregnancy after birth control failure?

 

[Luissa]

This is information on Progestin.....which is what Plan B is.

Maintaining menstrual cycles, a function of progestins, is important during childbearing years because unopposed estrogen without progesterone increases the risk of endometrial cancer. If you frequently skip periods due to polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS), being overweight or underweight, or another disorder, your health care professional may recommend birth control pills to regulate your cycle.

Progesterone | Progestin | HealthyWomen

Synthetic progestins were developed with the advent of the birth control pill. The half life of natural progesterone was very short and researchers were looking for an agent that would give a longer half life and yet produce or mimic the effects of progesterone. Birth control pills contain, in most cases, a synthetic progestin and a synthetic estrogen. The very potent synthetic progestins prevent ovulation in a very low dose and, therefore, accomplish their function of birth control.

http://www.project-aware.org/Resource/articlearchives/differences.sht

Progestin-only oral contraceptives are used to prevent pregnancy. Progestin is a female hormone. It works by preventing the release of eggs from the ovaries (ovulation) and changing the cervical mucus and the lining of the uterus. Progestin-only oral contraceptives are a very effective method of birth control, but they do not prevent the spread of AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases.

Progestin-Only Oral Contraceptives: MedlinePlus Drug Information

Oral contraceptives (birth-control pills) are used to prevent pregnancy. Estrogen and progestin are two female sex hormones. Combinations of estrogen and progestin work by preventing ovulation (the release of eggs from the ovaries). They also change the lining of the uterus (womb) to prevent pregnancy from developing and change the mucus at the cervix (opening of the uterus) to prevent sperm (male reproductive cells) from entering. Oral contraceptives are a very effective method of birth control, but they do not prevent the spread of human immunodeficiency virus (HIV, the virus that causes acquired immunodeficiency syndrome [AIDS]) and other sexually transmitted diseases.

Estrogen and Progestin (Oral Contraceptives): MedlinePlus Drug Information




SO let me put it in terms so a moron would get it........The overwhelming majority( I say that because there could be one without it) of oral contraceptives have progestin in it. Plan B is a Progestin Only oral contraceptive.

Do you get it now?

 

[Luissa]

No. They just terminate a pregnancy.

NO, it doesn't.

Then why would a woman take Plan B as emergency contraception to prevent pregnancy after birth control failure?

Okay, read this slowly so you might understand it..........When you have sex and your condom fails you can take Plan B up to 72 hours to prevent ovulation. Preventing ovulation is not terminating a pregnancy. 95% of of birth control has the hormone Progestin in it, Plan B is a Progestin Only oral contraceptive. Why is this so fucking hard to understand?

 

[Luissa]

Simulated laboratory environments are not all that reliable.



Yes before ovulation occurs.

If fertilization does occur, Plan B One-Step may prevent a fertilized egg from attaching to the womb. If a fertilized egg is implanted prior to taking Plan B One-Step, the drug will not work and pregnancy proceeds normally

Which you keep ingoing.

Two different studies. Are you claiming other birth controls with progestin the same ones hobby lobby covers prevents eggs from implanting? Is that what you are claiming?
I will give you a clue, it is ineffective after an egg is fertilized which is proven in two different studies.

I put up a link to a web site from Doctors.
You put up a link from about.com

The plan B pill is a much stronger dose.
Plan B: 11 Questions, 11 Answers

Each pill contains levonorgestrel, a synthetic version of the hormone progestin. Levonorgestrel has been used in birth control pills for over 35 years. Plan B One-Step contains a higher dose of levonorgestrel than that in regular birth control pills.

Plan B One-Step works like other birth control pills to prevent pregnancy. The drug acts primarily by stopping the release of an egg from the ovary. It may prevent a sperm from fertilizing the egg.

If fertilization does occur, Plan B One-Step may prevent a fertilized egg from attaching to the womb


You think that the Supreme Court does not do research before they make their rulings?
They do.

From your own link Luissa;
as emergency contraception to prevent pregnancy after birth control failure.

But an examination by The New York Times has found that the federally approved labels and medical Web sites do not reflect what the science shows. Studies have not established that emergency contraceptive pills prevent fertilized eggs from implanting in the womb, leading scientists say. Rather, the pills delay ovulation, the release of eggs from ovaries that occurs before eggs are fertilized, and some pills also thicken cervical mucus so sperm have trouble swimming.]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/06/h...ion-science-suggests.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Look at that QW, it says delay.

The notion that morning-after pills prevent eggs from implanting stems from the Food and Drug Administration’s decision during the drug-approval process to mention that possibility on the label — despite lack of scientific proof, scientists say, and objections by the manufacturer of Plan B, the pill on the market the longest. Leading scientists say studies since then provide strong evidence that Plan B does not prevent implantation, and no proof that a newer type of pill, Ella, does. Some abortion opponents said they remain unconvinced.

After The Times asked about this issue, A.D.A.M., the firm that writes medical entries for the National Institutes of Health Web site, deleted passages suggesting emergency contraceptives could disrupt implantation. The Times, which uses A.D.A.M.’s content on its health Web page, updated its site. The medical editor in chief of the Web site for the Mayo Clinic, Dr. Roger W. Harms, said “we are champing at the bit” to revise the entry if the Food and Drug Administration changes labels or other agencies make official pronouncements.

“These medications are there to prevent or delay ovulation,” said Dr. Petra M. Casey, an obstetrician-gynecologist at Mayo. “They don’t act after fertilization.”

^^^^^ That is an OBGYN from the Mayo Clinic, are you going to argue with her?

The constant references to Plan B and ella as abortion-causing pills frustrates Susan Wood, a professor of health policy at George Washington University and a former assistant commissioner for women's health at the FDA.

"It is not only factually incorrect, it is downright misleading. These products are not abortifacients," she says. "And their only connection to abortion is that they can prevent the need for one."

Scientists did know the drug worked primarily by preventing ovulation. It stops an egg from being released from a woman's ovary and thus prevents any chance of fertilization and pregnancy. But they also thought the drug might make it more difficult for a fertilized egg to implant in a woman's uterus.

Technically, that's not an abortion, says Wood.

"We know that about half of fertilized eggs never stick around. They just pass out of the woman's body," she says. "An abortifacient is something that interrupts an established pregnancy."

But people like Rudd worry that even if what the drugs do is not technically abortion, it's still objectionable if it happens after fertilization.

But it turns out, at least when it comes to Plan B, there is now fairly definitive research that shows the only way it works is by preventing ovulation, and therefore, fertilization.

[QUOTE"We've learned a lot about how these drugs work," says Diana Blithe, a biochemist and contraceptive researcher at the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development. "I think it's time to revise our speculations about how things might work in view of data that show how things do work."

[/QUOTE]
Morning-After Pills Don't Cause Abortion, Studies Say : Shots - Health News : NPR

But here's the twist: scientists say research is now showing conclusively that Plan B, in fact, does not interfere with an egg that has been fertilized or implanted.

Research: Morning-after pill doesn't harm fertilized egg - LancasterOnline: Local News



Like I said, there is a reason why they are trying to change what the FDA has listed for the drug, because it does not prevent implantation.

 

[Luissa]

Now, that I have proven QW and Peach have no clue how PLan B and ovulation works, I am going to go for a swim. I suggest googling and maybe taking a sex ed class.

 

[Ibentoken]

Now, that I have proven QW and Peach have no clue how PLan B and ovulation works, I am going to go for a swim. I suggest googling and maybe taking a sex ed class.

Good. Let's discuss the topic now.

 

[peach174]

NO, it doesn't.

Then why would a woman take Plan B as emergency contraception to prevent pregnancy after birth control failure?

Okay, read this slowly so you might understand it..........When you have sex and your condom fails you can take Plan B up to 72 hours to prevent ovulation. Preventing ovulation is not terminating a pregnancy. 95% of of birth control has the hormone Progestin in it, Plan B is a Progestin Only oral contraceptive. Why is this so fucking hard to understand?

I agree with what you just said.
You refuse to hear that Plan B is a stronger dose.
Your site says that the FDA has the labeling wrong.
If that is the case why would anyone want the government in our health care?

I was not this stupid when I was taking birth control pills. I took them every day.

From you link they are talking to woman like they are children;
Typical use refers to failure rates for people who don't always or consistently use their birth control method correctly. These rates usually apply to the average person as it is sometimes difficult to always and reliably use birth control properly. This is where user error enters into the equation. The person may put a condom on wrong, forget to take a birth control pill at the correct time, insert a NuvaRing, diaphragm or Today Sponge incorrectly or maybe forgot to use a back-up method or additional spermicide.

 

[peach174]

Now, that I have proven QW and Peach have no clue how PLan B and ovulation works, I am going to go for a swim. I suggest googling and maybe taking a sex ed class.

You have not proved anything other than you refuse to acknowledge that it may prevent a fertilized egg from attaching to the uterus.
The Supreme Court is much more educated that you and 5 agreed that it can prevent a fertilized egg from attaching to the uterus.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Their belief is not based in fact, moron. Plan B has no effect on a fertilized egg.

Irrelevant.

Sure.

Sorry, but it is. You, however, are free to make a case to them personally to change their minds.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Are you really that stupid? Stopping and preventing ovulation is exactly what it does. Do you understand how ovulation works? What ovulation is? I am guessing no.

You do understand ovulation begins before the egg is released from the ovary right?

Your own links proved that only occurs if it is taken at the right time. There is also a question if it actually does delay ovulation even if taken at the right time. The latest studies suggest that it actually prevents fertilization.

But, please, feel free to keep making claims you have debunked.

You really have no clue how ovulation works, do you? And how birth control works.
This argument is pointless, because you have no basic knowledge of the subject.

Your own links proved your position that all Plan B does is prevent ovulation is wrong, how does that prove I am ignorant?