Why can't conservatives/GOP learn from history?

[Missouri_Mike]

LOL!!!

You libs have all the self awareness of a turnip. YOu guys prove it all the time!

Do you even know you exist or are you just a collection of knee-jerk reactions and gross appetites?

Have you self examined the failures of socialism? There are plenty to look at and none that are successful.

Yes that social security, medicare, medicaid, food stamps, etc. is all going to just collapse any day now, why don't you hold your breath and wait for it?

Once they get too large for the working people to pay for they will collapse. Is that your goal or are you just too stupid to understand the economics?

Moronic right wingers "think" that, in the real world we know the money is there to pay for it IF we tweak the plutocrats take a bit!

Really? You think the cure to the plutocrats paying for your paradise is letting those same plutocrats promise you free shit that someone else will pay for. Let me fill you in on a bit of reality. The people making the rules are never going to be the ones to pay for those rules. It's why they aren't subject to obiecare or why they won't be the ones paying for any of the other free shit you want but will get full healthcare and retirement benefits along with any side deals they can do.

Moronic is actually thinking these people aren't the ones going to buttfuck you and voting for them.

 

[Dad2three]

Do you even know you exist or are you just a collection of knee-jerk reactions and gross appetites?

Have you self examined the failures of socialism? There are plenty to look at and none that are successful.

Yes that social security, medicare, medicaid, food stamps, etc. is all going to just collapse any day now, why don't you hold your breath and wait for it?

Once they get too large for the working people to pay for they will collapse. Is that your goal or are you just too stupid to understand the economics?

Moronic right wingers "think" that, in the real world we know the money is there to pay for it IF we tweak the plutocrats take a bit!

Really? You think the cure to the plutocrats paying for your paradise is letting those same plutocrats promise you free shit that someone else will pay for. Let me fill you in on a bit of reality. The people making the rules are never going to be the ones to pay for those rules. It's why they aren't subject to obiecare or why they won't be the ones paying for any of the other free shit you want but will get full healthcare and retirement benefits along with any side deals they can do.

Moronic is actually thinking these people aren't the ones going to buttfuck you and voting for them.

lol You morons have NOTHING but false premises, distortions and lies,

You buying into the Obamacares lies tell me enough about you Bubs

Yes, let's keep the "supply side" BS going and you keep sucking off the plutocrats.! After All Rushblow ($400+ million), Beck ($200+ million) ,Sean Insannity ($80+ million), Blathering Billio ($50+ million), etc, THEY have your backs!!!

Hint you can't name ONE policy conservatives have EVER been on the correct side of US history can you? lol

 

[Dad2three]

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Do you even know you exist or are you just a collection of knee-jerk reactions and gross appetites?

Have you self examined the failures of socialism? There are plenty to look at and none that are successful.

EXCEPT the US, Germany, UK, Ireland, Sweden, etc...

Which one is successful? All you have listed are inches away from failure. Which one is thee innovator and has a long term gain?

Now we know why all the great empires in history failed, liberals came to power.

The causes which destroyed the ancient republics were numerous; but in Rome, one principal cause was the vast inequality of fortunes. Noah Webster

Fitting you make a quote about Rome and Jesus. The people who killed him. And now the same people you use him to praise the all powerful government you worship.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Have you self examined the failures of socialism? There are plenty to look at and none that are successful.

Yes that social security, medicare, medicaid, food stamps, etc. is all going to just collapse any day now, why don't you hold your breath and wait for it?

Once they get too large for the working people to pay for they will collapse. Is that your goal or are you just too stupid to understand the economics?

Moronic right wingers "think" that, in the real world we know the money is there to pay for it IF we tweak the plutocrats take a bit!

Really? You think the cure to the plutocrats paying for your paradise is letting those same plutocrats promise you free shit that someone else will pay for. Let me fill you in on a bit of reality. The people making the rules are never going to be the ones to pay for those rules. It's why they aren't subject to obiecare or why they won't be the ones paying for any of the other free shit you want but will get full healthcare and retirement benefits along with any side deals they can do.

Moronic is actually thinking these people aren't the ones going to buttfuck you and voting for them.

lol You morons have NOTHING but false premises, distortions and lies,

You buying into the Obamacares lies tell me enough about you Bubs

Yes, let's keep the "supply side" BS going and you keep sucking off the plutocrats.! After All Rushblow ($400+ million), Beck ($200+ million) ,Sean Insannity ($80+ million), Blathering Billio ($50+ million), etc, THEY have your backs!!!

Hint you can't name ONE policy conservatives have EVER been on the correct side of US history can you? lol

Psst, the obiecare lies were the ones told by obie to sell this fraud of a healthcare plan. Nobody is saving $2,500 a year. Nobody can keep their doctor and nobody can keep their healthcare plan. False premises distortions and lies is claiming any of what you were told was in obiecare was true.

 

[bedowin62]

when you rely on an ancient comic who dies earlier than necessary because he spent most oh his life on drugs for your wisdom; why shouldnt people laugh at you leftard?

oh and the difference here is the rich want to keep what they earn; not be "given money". The poor are actually just given money; and if you've ever been to a housing project you know it is a straight up fact that when you give people money like that they DO lose the incentive to take care of themselves. but you probably dont live anywhere near a place where you can see the consequences of your "empathy" which is really just pandering, see the devastation wrought by your "good intentions".
idiots and hypocrites

ok leftard, go fetch another 300-line piece of somebody else's propaganda to make your point like you always do__________________________

 

[Correll]

here's some history the left refuses and denies;

Harding (R) inherted a depression, he cut taxes and Fed spending in 1/2, 18 month later, depression over, Roaring Twentys begin.
fdr (D) inherited a depression, he increased taxes and Fed spending to level unseen, 10 years later and WW2 later, depression over, no economic boom.

now, who did obama copy and why is it taking so long for the economy to really get going?

leftist learned from history that increasing taxes and spending slows the economy and forces more people to rely on the government for basic needs.

so please go fuck yourself you useless sheep

From 2001 to 2008, millions of jobs were moved to China and over 40,000 factories closed. Those jobs are gone and those factories are gone. How do you recover from such a blow to the country? That was what was handed to Obama from the GOP. It's way easier to fix something if it's still there to be fixed. If it's gone, you can't fix it. You need to rebuild from scratch.

It was clinton that moved those jobs with nafta

I'd link it, but you have been given those links before and are still lying about it.


obama didn't build anything, he wasted money, that's all

You mean the best conservative Prez since Ike, BJ Bill agreed with Heritages Foundations NAFTA that Ronnie Reagan announced he was for the day he ran for Prez? Yep

You did not address the fact that much of that job loss occurred under Clinton.

That was dishonest of you.

 

[Correll]

Sure.

So, unions were responsible for the Post War boom?

THe fact that the rest of the world had been bombed flat and thus could NOT compete with US, AND needed to rebuild had nothing to do with it?

Got it. YOU are dishonest. I'm shocked

Personal attacks do not support your argument, and only make you look like you are trying to avoid honest and serious debate.

Also, a rude asshole.

Got it. YOU aren't honest and choose to pull out ONE part of PROGRESSIVE policies that created the worlds largest middle class. Weird, dishonest not worthy of my time!

You seemed pretty focused on unions. Do you want to actually discuss issues, or use shotgun fallacy approach to avoid serious discussion?

ANOTHER CONservative pretending to be a "moderate" who wants to have actual debates, lol

I am no moderate.

I do prefer actual debates to being raved at.

That you find these two facts contradictory is just an example of how narrow minded you are.

 

[Correll]

Oddity? 90% of the world was rebuilt by 1955, why did the US middle class contuse to grow until 1971? Why did IUS incomes grow until 1979? What relation to taxes on the very wealthiest in the US (effective rates above 50% from 1932-1980) did the boom have? Why is it that through history, supply side has failed over and over yet cons don't get it?

Middle Class Series: The Failure of Supply-Side Economics

Three Decades of Empirical Economic Data Shows That Supply-Side Economics Doesn’t Work


When President Bill Clinton, raised taxes that same year did the economy suffer a slowdown, as was predicted by those who believe in supply-side economics? The data says no.

The Failure of Supply-Side Economics Center for American Progress

The world was rebuilt by 1955?

Lmao, what an ignorant yard ... Try late 60s early 70s when we had the japanese invasion of cars.

God you are stupid.

Yes Dummy look to history that 90% of the factories and places of commerce were rebuilt by 1955

We had an "invasion" of autos that took market share BECAUSE of the oil crisis of the early 1970's (NOT late 1960's) , as US auto comps were morons (Proven later with quality issues) , just like they did with Dubya's "go out and spend" they created the demand for SUV's!




The 1950s onwards saw the beginning of the reconstruction of a new global economy. Between 1950 and 1973 the annual real GDP growth of developed market economies averaged around 5 percent. This growth was smooth, with none of the major recessions seen in the interwar years. World War II left the United States in a uniquely powerful position. While Europe and Asia had experienced extensive destruction and loss of life, no battles had been fought on the soil of the United States. The U.S. dollar became the world's major reserve currency. U.S. corporations assumed leading positions in many industries. Europe and Japan had to spend the immediate postwar decade undergoing extensive reconstruction, heavily dependent on official aid from the United States, yet over time Europe and Japan closed the technological and productivity gap with the United States. The emergence of a U.S. deficit on its balance of trade in the 1960s, and the devaluation of the U.S. dollar and the end of its convertibility into gold in 1971, provided symbolic signs of the ending of an era.



....In the twenty years after 1945 the European colonial empires were dismantled. In some cases, decolonization was followed by an aggressive reaction against the businesses of the former colonial power, and sometimes all foreign investment. The relatively small number of expropriations without compensation until the late 1960s—when a period of large-scale expropriation began—reflected the power and determination of the United States to protect foreign investments, but Western countries were unable to reestablish an international legal regime that guaranteed the property rights of international investors. Even in the developed countries, receptivity towards multinationals fell. In Europe and the United States, whole sectors were closed to foreign companies. The Japanese economy grew so fast that it had become the world's second-largest capitalist economy by the 1970s, but its governments systematically discouraged wholly owned FDI [foreign direct investment], and restricted it to a low level. During the 1940s and early 1950s only the U.S. dollar was available as a major convertible currency. Elsewhere exchange controls regulated capital movements. They were often the instruments used by governments to screen or monitor FDI flows. The world-wide controls over capital movements were related to balance of payments concerns and the system of fixed exchange rates established at Bretton Woods. It was not until 1958 that most European countries adopted nonresident convertibility, which permitted foreigners to move funds for current account purposes freely from one country to another. This was the key development in the establishment of a liberal and open international economy

...It was only after the collapse of the Bretton Woods system of fixed exchange rates in the early 1970s that controls over capital movements began to be slowly dismantled. The advent of floating exchange rates permitted a huge explosion in international financial markets from the 1970s, but these capital flows were different than before 1914, for they largely occurred between rich countries


World trade barriers were reduced under the auspices of the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT) signed in 1947. This process peaked in the 1960s, when the Kennedy Administration in the United States made major efforts to secure radical reductions in tariff rates. During the middle of this decade there was a comprehensive reduction of barriers to trade in manufactured goods. By the end of the 1960s, however, the U.S.-inspired drive for trade liberalization showed a loss of momentum, as U.S. balance of payments deficits began to cause concern about the scale of foreign imports. Nontariff barriers spread in the following decade. Most developing countries in Latin America, Asia, and Africa became progressively closed to international trade from the 1950s to the 1980s. Even the richest and most developed countries maintained very high levels...

The resumption of multinational growth



The expansion of the world economy prompted a recovery in the growth rate of world FDI. The system of international cartels was dismantled. By 1960 the world stock of FDI had reached $60 billion. By 1980 it was over $500 billion. These were the decades when the term "multinational" was invented, and when economic theorists turned their attention to explaining their existence.
Restoring a Global Economy 1950 1980 HBS Working Knowledge

it wasn't just cars in the 70s ya fuckin moron...

You do even bother to read what you post did you bother to notice 20 years?

God you are stupid.

And the bigger your cut and pastes, the less people read. Make your points in your own words. Provide links to support your logic or claims, not to make them for you.

Right as YOU do NONE of your posit. Weird

You needed a cut and paste to know that WWII was destructive?

I choose NOT to insult your intelligence, nor waste my time.

You are handling both of those quite well.

 

[Correll]

It was Capitalism that afforded him to make that statement. Think boy.

You mean the thing that almost collapsed the worlds economies?

You are not thinking. You are attacking because you hate Capitalism.

Sure Bubs, sure. I guess you got that from your crystal ball? Hint, one can believe the "job creators" need to pay more historical EFFECTIVE tax rates they did 1932-1980, that regulators on the beat matters with Gov't policy and the current GOP/Conservatives are trying to destroy Gov't have some type of Ayn Rand fetish than to actually just throw up crap, like you!

Crystal Ball? Fetish? Very simply, your preoccupation with egregious government state is that you hate Capitalism and want it stifled.

YOUR inability to EVER address ANYTHING on topic or to be honest is noted Bubba, and like most conservatives on this forum, your knee jerk reactionary "socialists" Bullsh*t is also noted!

You are in no position to accuse anyone of being Knee Jerk,

and what's with the bubba nonsense?

 

[Correll]

clinton signed the law putting time limits on welfare recipients. at the time you moron Progs insisted people would starve in the streets. didnt happen
obama gutted the clinton welfare reform

libs are losers who lie to themselves

clinton wouldnt be allowed in your Party today dummy

Your false premises, distortions and LIES, are again noted Bubba,

Nothing in his post was any of that.

YOu are the one lying.

And doing it badly.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Do you even know you exist or are you just a collection of knee-jerk reactions and gross appetites?

Have you self examined the failures of socialism? There are plenty to look at and none that are successful.

EXCEPT the US, Germany, UK, Ireland, Sweden, etc...

Which one is successful? All you have listed are inches away from failure. Which one is thee innovator and has a long term gain?

Now we know why all the great empires in history failed, liberals came to power.

The causes which destroyed the ancient republics were numerous; but in Rome, one principal cause was the vast inequality of fortunes. Noah Webster

......and yet Liberals still want Jesus banned from the Courthouse, Statehouse, and Schoolhouse. They'll quote Him to use his Rules against His Followers as per Alinsky. BTW, Jesus never said anything about the State taking money from the People to do His work. Instead, Jesus focused on His Church.

You're cherry picking.

 

[Dad2three]

Yes that social security, medicare, medicaid, food stamps, etc. is all going to just collapse any day now, why don't you hold your breath and wait for it?

Once they get too large for the working people to pay for they will collapse. Is that your goal or are you just too stupid to understand the economics?

Moronic right wingers "think" that, in the real world we know the money is there to pay for it IF we tweak the plutocrats take a bit!

Really? You think the cure to the plutocrats paying for your paradise is letting those same plutocrats promise you free shit that someone else will pay for. Let me fill you in on a bit of reality. The people making the rules are never going to be the ones to pay for those rules. It's why they aren't subject to obiecare or why they won't be the ones paying for any of the other free shit you want but will get full healthcare and retirement benefits along with any side deals they can do.

Moronic is actually thinking these people aren't the ones going to buttfuck you and voting for them.

lol You morons have NOTHING but false premises, distortions and lies,

You buying into the Obamacares lies tell me enough about you Bubs

Yes, let's keep the "supply side" BS going and you keep sucking off the plutocrats.! After All Rushblow ($400+ million), Beck ($200+ million) ,Sean Insannity ($80+ million), Blathering Billio ($50+ million), etc, THEY have your backs!!!

Hint you can't name ONE policy conservatives have EVER been on the correct side of US history can you? lol

Psst, the obiecare lies were the ones told by obie to sell this fraud of a healthcare plan. Nobody is saving $2,500 a year. Nobody can keep their doctor and nobody can keep their healthcare plan. False premises distortions and lies is claiming any of what you were told was in obiecare was true.

"The people making the rules are never going to be the ones to pay for those rules. It's why they aren't subject to obiecare"

Congress and an Exemption from ‘Obamacare’?


Q: Is it true that there are bills in Congress that would exempt members and their staffs and families from buying into “Obamacare”?

A: No. Congress members and staffers will be required to buy insurance through the exchanges on Jan. 1.


Congress and an Exemption from ‘Obamacare’?

Top 16 myths about the health care law

5. Congress is exempt from Obamacare. False.

Top 16 myths about the health care law

 

[bedowin62]

Progressives OVEREACHED LIKE THEY ALWAYS DO, and obama has overseen the largest gains in Congress of Republicans in like SEVENTY YEARS.


seriously who didnt learn from history?

 

[Dad2three]

here's some history the left refuses and denies;

Harding (R) inherted a depression, he cut taxes and Fed spending in 1/2, 18 month later, depression over, Roaring Twentys begin.
fdr (D) inherited a depression, he increased taxes and Fed spending to level unseen, 10 years later and WW2 later, depression over, no economic boom.

now, who did obama copy and why is it taking so long for the economy to really get going?

leftist learned from history that increasing taxes and spending slows the economy and forces more people to rely on the government for basic needs.

so please go fuck yourself you useless sheep

From 2001 to 2008, millions of jobs were moved to China and over 40,000 factories closed. Those jobs are gone and those factories are gone. How do you recover from such a blow to the country? That was what was handed to Obama from the GOP. It's way easier to fix something if it's still there to be fixed. If it's gone, you can't fix it. You need to rebuild from scratch.

It was clinton that moved those jobs with nafta

I'd link it, but you have been given those links before and are still lying about it.


obama didn't build anything, he wasted money, that's all

You mean the best conservative Prez since Ike, BJ Bill agreed with Heritages Foundations NAFTA that Ronnie Reagan announced he was for the day he ran for Prez? Yep

You did not address the fact that much of that job loss occurred under Clinton.

That was dishonest of you.

You mean BJ Bill's 22+ million jobs created was really job losses? Talk about being totally screwed up Bubba!




Yes, Clinton was the best Conservative Prez since Ike, YES BJ Bill got Ronnie's NAFTA passed. Yes 60% of Dems in Congress voted against NAFTA AND every other "free trade" agreement.

HONEST ENOUGH DUMMY?

 

[Dad2three]

Got it. YOU are dishonest. I'm shocked

Personal attacks do not support your argument, and only make you look like you are trying to avoid honest and serious debate.

Also, a rude asshole.

Got it. YOU aren't honest and choose to pull out ONE part of PROGRESSIVE policies that created the worlds largest middle class. Weird, dishonest not worthy of my time!

You seemed pretty focused on unions. Do you want to actually discuss issues, or use shotgun fallacy approach to avoid serious discussion?

ANOTHER CONservative pretending to be a "moderate" who wants to have actual debates, lol

I am no moderate.

I do prefer actual debates to being raved at.

That you find these two facts contradictory is just an example of how narrow minded you are.

Sure Bubba, you prefer debates, lol

 

[bedowin62]

here's some history the left refuses and denies;

Harding (R) inherted a depression, he cut taxes and Fed spending in 1/2, 18 month later, depression over, Roaring Twentys begin.
fdr (D) inherited a depression, he increased taxes and Fed spending to level unseen, 10 years later and WW2 later, depression over, no economic boom.

now, who did obama copy and why is it taking so long for the economy to really get going?

leftist learned from history that increasing taxes and spending slows the economy and forces more people to rely on the government for basic needs.

so please go fuck yourself you useless sheep

From 2001 to 2008, millions of jobs were moved to China and over 40,000 factories closed. Those jobs are gone and those factories are gone. How do you recover from such a blow to the country? That was what was handed to Obama from the GOP. It's way easier to fix something if it's still there to be fixed. If it's gone, you can't fix it. You need to rebuild from scratch.

It was clinton that moved those jobs with nafta

I'd link it, but you have been given those links before and are still lying about it.


obama didn't build anything, he wasted money, that's all

You mean the best conservative Prez since Ike, BJ Bill agreed with Heritages Foundations NAFTA that Ronnie Reagan announced he was for the day he ran for Prez? Yep

You did not address the fact that much of that job loss occurred under Clinton.

That was dishonest of you.

You mean BJ Bill's 22+ million jobs created was really job losses? Talk about being totally screwed up Bubba!




Yes, Clinton was the best Conservative Prez since Ike, YES BJ Bill got Ronnie's NAFTA passed. Yes 60% of Dems in Congress voted against NAFTA AND every other "free trade" agreement.

HONEST ENOUGH DUMMY?

still blaming progresssive failures on others i see?

what will be the excuse for the free trade bills obama's supporting?

 

[Dad2three]

You mean the thing that almost collapsed the worlds economies?

You are not thinking. You are attacking because you hate Capitalism.

Sure Bubs, sure. I guess you got that from your crystal ball? Hint, one can believe the "job creators" need to pay more historical EFFECTIVE tax rates they did 1932-1980, that regulators on the beat matters with Gov't policy and the current GOP/Conservatives are trying to destroy Gov't have some type of Ayn Rand fetish than to actually just throw up crap, like you!

Crystal Ball? Fetish? Very simply, your preoccupation with egregious government state is that you hate Capitalism and want it stifled.

YOUR inability to EVER address ANYTHING on topic or to be honest is noted Bubba, and like most conservatives on this forum, your knee jerk reactionary "socialists" Bullsh*t is also noted!

You are in no position to accuse anyone of being Knee Jerk,

and what's with the bubba nonsense?

Good debating skills there Bubba, you must've really meant it when you said that's what you wanted *shaking head*

 

[bedowin62]

here's some history the left refuses and denies;

Harding (R) inherted a depression, he cut taxes and Fed spending in 1/2, 18 month later, depression over, Roaring Twentys begin.
fdr (D) inherited a depression, he increased taxes and Fed spending to level unseen, 10 years later and WW2 later, depression over, no economic boom.

now, who did obama copy and why is it taking so long for the economy to really get going?

leftist learned from history that increasing taxes and spending slows the economy and forces more people to rely on the government for basic needs.

so please go fuck yourself you useless sheep

From 2001 to 2008, millions of jobs were moved to China and over 40,000 factories closed. Those jobs are gone and those factories are gone. How do you recover from such a blow to the country? That was what was handed to Obama from the GOP. It's way easier to fix something if it's still there to be fixed. If it's gone, you can't fix it. You need to rebuild from scratch.

It was clinton that moved those jobs with nafta

I'd link it, but you have been given those links before and are still lying about it.


obama didn't build anything, he wasted money, that's all

You mean the best conservative Prez since Ike, BJ Bill agreed with Heritages Foundations NAFTA that Ronnie Reagan announced he was for the day he ran for Prez? Yep

You did not address the fact that much of that job loss occurred under Clinton.

That was dishonest of you.

You mean BJ Bill's 22+ million jobs created was really job losses? Talk about being totally screwed up Bubba!




Yes, Clinton was the best Conservative Prez since Ike, YES BJ Bill got Ronnie's NAFTA passed. Yes 60% of Dems in Congress voted against NAFTA AND every other "free trade" agreement.

HONEST ENOUGH DUMMY?

arent you the idiot that says the fact that Clinton hiked taxes means "trickle-down" wasnt in effect on h is watch?

now you're saying he was a conservative?

contradicting yourself again

idiot

 

[Dad2three]

From 2001 to 2008, millions of jobs were moved to China and over 40,000 factories closed. Those jobs are gone and those factories are gone. How do you recover from such a blow to the country? That was what was handed to Obama from the GOP. It's way easier to fix something if it's still there to be fixed. If it's gone, you can't fix it. You need to rebuild from scratch.

It was clinton that moved those jobs with nafta

I'd link it, but you have been given those links before and are still lying about it.


obama didn't build anything, he wasted money, that's all

You mean the best conservative Prez since Ike, BJ Bill agreed with Heritages Foundations NAFTA that Ronnie Reagan announced he was for the day he ran for Prez? Yep

You did not address the fact that much of that job loss occurred under Clinton.

That was dishonest of you.

You mean BJ Bill's 22+ million jobs created was really job losses? Talk about being totally screwed up Bubba!




Yes, Clinton was the best Conservative Prez since Ike, YES BJ Bill got Ronnie's NAFTA passed. Yes 60% of Dems in Congress voted against NAFTA AND every other "free trade" agreement.

HONEST ENOUGH DUMMY?

still blaming progresssive failures on others i see?

what will be the excuse for the free trade bills obama's supporting?

Really? Heritage Foundation or Ronnie Reagan are "progressive"?



Hint Obama is the second best conservative Prez since Ike, only BJ Bill is better, but yes even though the majority of Dems oppose "free trade" deals, Obama will get a majority of GOPers to support it!