Why can't conservatives/GOP learn from history?

[Dad2three]

you mean winger bills like personhood bills?

or more tax cuts for corporations?

no. those didn't get there, winger. that;s not what people voted for.

and the first bill the wingers tried to pass when they finally got the house was a personhood law.

nutters.......

YAWN; doesn't matter what they were leftard, we both know they weren't brought to the floor by Reid not because they had no chance of passing but because they WOULD HAVE PASSED.
that's why you dummies lost the Senate

libs are losers who lie to themselves

You are projection personified Bubba

His point is valid. That you dodged it, shows you to be dishonest.

His points valid? lol

Senate Democratic minority snagged 20 million more votes than GOP majority


GOP Memo: Gerrymandering Won Us The House Majority

In the memo -- titled "How a Strategy of Targeting State Legislative Races in 2010 Led to a Republican U.S. House Majority in 2013" -- RSLC boasts that it "raised more than $30 million in 2009-2010, and invested $18 million after Labor Day 2010 alone" to ensure statehouse victories in states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin.

"The rationale was straightforward," reads the memo. "Controlling the redistricting process in these states would have the greatest impact on determining how both state legislative and congressional district boundaries would be drawn. Drawing new district lines in states with the most redistricting activity presented the opportunity to solidify conservative policymaking at the state level and maintain a Republican stronghold in the U.S. House of Representatives for the next decade."

GOP Memo: Gerrymandering Won Us The House Majority

i didint dodge anything idiot; in fact DEMOCRATS DID THE DODGING,. because as i said the OVER THREE HUNDRED BILLS the Dem Senate Leader refused to even bring to teh floor for debate werent denied the chance to be debated or voted on because they had no chance of passing; it was becasue they WOULD HAVE PASSED. Dem's own constituents back home were so enraged with this they SENT DEMOCRAT INCUMBANTS PACKING AND GAVE THE SENATE BACK TO REPUBLICANS

why do you losers love lying to yourselves so much?

""It is true that some bills, including some of substance, are being blocked by Reid from action because he wants to avoid Republican amendments of the ‘gotcha’ variety that could work against some of his endangered incumbents up this fall," said Norm Ornstein, a congressional scholar at the American Enterprise Institute (NOT EXACTLY A PROGRESSIVE OR DEM GROUP DUMMY) "You can make a case that the role of the majority is to suck it up and do votes, even if some are uncomfortable. But on the balance sheet, the bigger reality is that very few of the bills passed by the House were aimed at compromise or agreement with the Senate."

Rep. Lynn Jenkins blames Harry Reid for 'do-nothing Senate'


Republican Jobs Bills Won't Actually Create Jobs, Say Economists

GOP Jobs Package Doesn't Actually Create Jobs, Say Economists

 

[Dad2three]

here's some history the left refuses and denies;

Harding (R) inherted a depression, he cut taxes and Fed spending in 1/2, 18 month later, depression over, Roaring Twentys begin.
fdr (D) inherited a depression, he increased taxes and Fed spending to level unseen, 10 years later and WW2 later, depression over, no economic boom.

now, who did obama copy and why is it taking so long for the economy to really get going?

leftist learned from history that increasing taxes and spending slows the economy and forces more people to rely on the government for basic needs.

so please go fuck yourself you useless sheep

From 2001 to 2008, millions of jobs were moved to China and over 40,000 factories closed. Those jobs are gone and those factories are gone. How do you recover from such a blow to the country? That was what was handed to Obama from the GOP. It's way easier to fix something if it's still there to be fixed. If it's gone, you can't fix it. You need to rebuild from scratch.

It was clinton that moved those jobs with nafta

I'd link it, but you have been given those links before and are still lying about it.


obama didn't build anything, he wasted money, that's all

Yep, the best conservative Prez since Ike got Heritages "NAFTA" thru Congress like Reagan wanted (you know he introduced it in 1979 the day he ran for Prez?) AND yet 60% of Dems voted against NAFTA. Go figure!

TOO BAD THE DEM PRESIDENT SIGNED IT ANYWAY LEFTARD


OH and your current President has TWO different free trade agreements.

next irrelevant point leftard. geesh what year is it?

Weird the Dems have voted 60% against EVERY trade deal AND THE only way they pass IS with GOP's support? lol

 

[LeftofLeft]

Capitalism and Socialism can work together but Capitalism must be greater......otherwise, who pays for Socialism??

Ask about who saved the Banksters (capitalism didn't work very well there) Oh right, it was socialism saving capitalism

Bush: ‘I’ve Abandoned Free Market Principles To Save The Free Market System’

It was Capitalism that afforded him to make that statement. Think boy.

You mean the thing that almost collapsed the worlds economies?

You are not thinking. You are attacking because you hate Capitalism.

Sure Bubs, sure. I guess you got that from your crystal ball? Hint, one can believe the "job creators" need to pay more historical EFFECTIVE tax rates they did 1932-1980, that regulators on the beat matters with Gov't policy and the current GOP/Conservatives are trying to destroy Gov't have some type of Ayn Rand fetish than to actually just throw up crap, like you!

Crystal Ball? Fetish? Very simply, your preoccupation with egregious government state is that you hate Capitalism and want it stifled.

 

[bedowin62]

here's some history the left refuses and denies;

Harding (R) inherted a depression, he cut taxes and Fed spending in 1/2, 18 month later, depression over, Roaring Twentys begin.
fdr (D) inherited a depression, he increased taxes and Fed spending to level unseen, 10 years later and WW2 later, depression over, no economic boom.

now, who did obama copy and why is it taking so long for the economy to really get going?

leftist learned from history that increasing taxes and spending slows the economy and forces more people to rely on the government for basic needs.

so please go fuck yourself you useless sheep

From 2001 to 2008, millions of jobs were moved to China and over 40,000 factories closed. Those jobs are gone and those factories are gone. How do you recover from such a blow to the country? That was what was handed to Obama from the GOP. It's way easier to fix something if it's still there to be fixed. If it's gone, you can't fix it. You need to rebuild from scratch.

It was clinton that moved those jobs with nafta

I'd link it, but you have been given those links before and are still lying about it.


obama didn't build anything, he wasted money, that's all

Yep, the best conservative Prez since Ike got Heritages "NAFTA" thru Congress like Reagan wanted (you know he introduced it in 1979 the day he ran for Prez?) AND yet 60% of Dems voted against NAFTA. Go figure!

TOO BAD THE DEM PRESIDENT SIGNED IT ANYWAY LEFTARD


OH and your current President has TWO different free trade agreements.

next irrelevant point leftard. geesh what year is it?

Weird the Dems have voted 60% against EVERY trade deal AND THE only way they pass IS with GOP's support? lol

do you ever have anything to offer but pathetic excuses how people you consider inferior to your oh-so well-informed self keep taking advantage of you every time???

 

[bedowin62]

left-wing nutjobs on amnesty: "Reagan wanted it, Reagan did it"
left-wing nutjobs on tax cuts: "we didnt have the numbers to defeat them"
left-wing nutjobs on the Iraq War: "once it was started we had to fund it"
left-wing nutjobs on ending subsidies to corporations on their watch__________________________crickets
left-wing nutjobs on TARP bailou of Wall Street banks: "bush should have vetoed the bill we wrote for him and passed through both chambers of Dem-majority Congress!!"
left-wing nutjobs on obama tripling of drone attacks__________________________crickets
left-wing nutjobs on obamacare: "it's a Republican plan we re-hashed", "it's romneycare"
left-wing nutjobs on food stamps and welfare: "they save or create jobs"

etc etc etc

what idiots

 

[Dad2three]

since Dad23 is a talking-point spewing idiot

what is the Left's economic theory called? dont say Keynesian theory because that is a joke, true adherents of that will say that isnt what the Left espouses

and where is it working?
and in the clinton years you brag about; wasnt that trickle-down economics dummy?

Yeah, Clinton increasing the top rate from 31% to 39.6% and creating 3 new brackets was "supply side" *shaking head*


Middle Class Series: The Failure of Supply-Side Economics

Three Decades of Empirical Economic Data Shows That Supply-Side Economics Doesn’t Work

Adherents of the economic theory known as supply-side economics contend that by cutting taxes on the rich we will unleash an avalanche of new investment that will spur economic growth, and boost job creation, leading to economic improvements for everyone. For most of the past 30 years this idea has dominated the economic debate, resulting in two sustained eras of tax cuts aimed at the wealthy, separated by a brief respite in the 1990s.

Now, as our economy struggles to emerge from the deepest recession in generations—and as we argue over what to do with the expiring Bush-era tax cuts—it is more important than ever to understand one simple fact: When put to the test in the real world, supply-side policies did not deliver as promised. In fact, by every important measure, our nation’s economic performance after the tax increases of 1993 significantly outpaced that of the periods following the tax cuts of the early 1980s and the early 2000s.



The Failure of Supply-Side Economics



Why the GOP Won't Admit Supply-Side Econ Has Failed


The Bush tax cuts were a test of these claims about supply-side economic policies. To justify the tax cuts the nation was, in effect, given a business prospectus from the Republican Party. We were promised that cutting taxes on the wealthy would result in much higher economic growth and broadly shared prosperity. For those who wondered how we would pay for such a large cut to the government’s revenue stream, the Republican prospectus had a remarkable claim. The tax cuts wouldn’t cost us anything. Growth would be so strong that the tax cuts would more than pay for themselves. Even those who admitted that the tax cuts might not be fully self-financing still made strong claims about faster economic growth offsetting much of the lost revenue from the tax cuts.

The reality, of course, has been quite different. There is little evidence that the Bush tax cuts, or any other tax cuts directed at the so-called job creators, have had a noticeable effect on economic growth. And the promise of broadly shared prosperity has not been realized. Most of the gains from economic growth in recent decades have gone to the top of the income distribution while the inflation adjusted wages of the working class have been relatively flat. Furthermore, the tax cuts have not paid for themselves as promised, and it hasn’t even been close. The Bush tax cuts have already cost us trillions in revenue, and if they are extended for high income tax payers, they will cost us roughly another trillion over the next decade.

Why the GOP Won't Admit Supply-Side Econ Has Failed

 

[bedowin62]

since Dad23 is a talking-point spewing idiot

what is the Left's economic theory called? dont say Keynesian theory because that is a joke, true adherents of that will say that isnt what the Left espouses

and where is it working?
and in the clinton years you brag about; wasnt that trickle-down economics dummy?

Yeah, Clinton increasing the top rate from 31% to 39.6% and creating 3 new brackets was "supply side" *shaking head*


Middle Class Series: The Failure of Supply-Side Economics

Three Decades of Empirical Economic Data Shows That Supply-Side Economics Doesn’t Work

Adherents of the economic theory known as supply-side economics contend that by cutting taxes on the rich we will unleash an avalanche of new investment that will spur economic growth, and boost job creation, leading to economic improvements for everyone. For most of the past 30 years this idea has dominated the economic debate, resulting in two sustained eras of tax cuts aimed at the wealthy, separated by a brief respite in the 1990s.

Now, as our economy struggles to emerge from the deepest recession in generations—and as we argue over what to do with the expiring Bush-era tax cuts—it is more important than ever to understand one simple fact: When put to the test in the real world, supply-side policies did not deliver as promised. In fact, by every important measure, our nation’s economic performance after the tax increases of 1993 significantly outpaced that of the periods following the tax cuts of the early 1980s and the early 2000s.



The Failure of Supply-Side Economics



Why the GOP Won't Admit Supply-Side Econ Has Failed


The Bush tax cuts were a test of these claims about supply-side economic policies. To justify the tax cuts the nation was, in effect, given a business prospectus from the Republican Party. We were promised that cutting taxes on the wealthy would result in much higher economic growth and broadly shared prosperity. For those who wondered how we would pay for such a large cut to the government’s revenue stream, the Republican prospectus had a remarkable claim. The tax cuts wouldn’t cost us anything. Growth would be so strong that the tax cuts would more than pay for themselves. Even those who admitted that the tax cuts might not be fully self-financing still made strong claims about faster economic growth offsetting much of the lost revenue from the tax cuts.

The reality, of course, has been quite different. There is little evidence that the Bush tax cuts, or any other tax cuts directed at the so-called job creators, have had a noticeable effect on economic growth. And the promise of broadly shared prosperity has not been realized. Most of the gains from economic growth in recent decades have gone to the top of the income distribution while the inflation adjusted wages of the working class have been relatively flat. Furthermore, the tax cuts have not paid for themselves as promised, and it hasn’t even been close. The Bush tax cuts have already cost us trillions in revenue, and if they are extended for high income tax payers, they will cost us roughly another trillion over the next decade.

Why the GOP Won't Admit Supply-Side Econ Has Failed

good one you brainwashed lemming

nothing but TAX HIKES in the clinton years was responsible for the sucess of the American economy then?

really??????
not the DOT-COM REVOLUTION?

NOT WELFARE REFORM???

NOT ACTUALLY LOWERING CAPITAL GAINS TAXES ON THE RICHEST AMERICANS??????????

NOT THE CONTRACT WITH AMERICA???
NOT NAFTA???

and you morons wonder why we say your answer to everything is tax hikes???

 

[Dad2three]

Ask about who saved the Banksters (capitalism didn't work very well there) Oh right, it was socialism saving capitalism

Bush: ‘I’ve Abandoned Free Market Principles To Save The Free Market System’

It was Capitalism that afforded him to make that statement. Think boy.

You mean the thing that almost collapsed the worlds economies?

You are not thinking. You are attacking because you hate Capitalism.

Sure Bubs, sure. I guess you got that from your crystal ball? Hint, one can believe the "job creators" need to pay more historical EFFECTIVE tax rates they did 1932-1980, that regulators on the beat matters with Gov't policy and the current GOP/Conservatives are trying to destroy Gov't have some type of Ayn Rand fetish than to actually just throw up crap, like you!

Crystal Ball? Fetish? Very simply, your preoccupation with egregious government state is that you hate Capitalism and want it stifled.

YOUR inability to EVER address ANYTHING on topic or to be honest is noted Bubba, and like most conservatives on this forum, your knee jerk reactionary "socialists" Bullsh*t is also noted!

 

[bedowin62]

clinton signed the law putting time limits on welfare recipients. at the time you moron Progs insisted people would starve in the streets. didnt happen
obama gutted the clinton welfare reform

libs are losers who lie to themselves

clinton wouldnt be allowed in your Party today dummy

 

[bedowin62]

your premise is that a tax hike in the clinton years translates into the American economy really wasnt "supply side" during those years; this despite YOUR OWN TALKING POINT IN THE SAME THREAD bout "30 years of empirical data" saying we've had "trickle-down" for 30 years

you're simply a clown trying to talk out of both sides of your mouth

 

[Two Thumbs]

here's some history the left refuses and denies;

Harding (R) inherted a depression, he cut taxes and Fed spending in 1/2, 18 month later, depression over, Roaring Twentys begin.
fdr (D) inherited a depression, he increased taxes and Fed spending to level unseen, 10 years later and WW2 later, depression over, no economic boom.

now, who did obama copy and why is it taking so long for the economy to really get going?

leftist learned from history that increasing taxes and spending slows the economy and forces more people to rely on the government for basic needs.

so please go fuck yourself you useless sheep

From 2001 to 2008, millions of jobs were moved to China and over 40,000 factories closed. Those jobs are gone and those factories are gone. How do you recover from such a blow to the country? That was what was handed to Obama from the GOP. It's way easier to fix something if it's still there to be fixed. If it's gone, you can't fix it. You need to rebuild from scratch.

It was clinton that moved those jobs with nafta

I'd link it, but you have been given those links before and are still lying about it.


obama didn't build anything, he wasted money, that's all

You mean the best conservative Prez since Ike, BJ Bill agreed with Heritages Foundations NAFTA that Ronnie Reagan announced he was for the day he ran for Prez? Yep

every leftist likes to pass the buck around as much as possible to it's ok the when a dem fucks over the American people it's ok b/c........

 

[bedowin62]

by the way idiot. districts are drawn based on the Census. that would be the obama Census

facts are Red states are gaining population (and jobs) and Blue states are bleeding jobs and people

the gerrymandering talking point is just one more idiotic excuse from the Left for PROGRESSIVE FAILURE

 

[bedowin62]

HE'S OUT FECTHING ANOTHER GRAPH

this loon got the whole 9 yards of left-wing brainwashing

 

[Two Thumbs]

clinton signed the law putting time limits on welfare recipients. at the time you moron Progs insisted people would starve in the streets. didnt happen
obama gutted the clinton welfare reform

libs are losers who lie to themselves

clinton wouldnt be allowed in your Party today dummy

why are they there as bill signs that?

unless it fit their plan, they wouldn't be there

 

[Dad2three]

clinton signed the law putting time limits on welfare recipients. at the time you moron Progs insisted people would starve in the streets. didnt happen
obama gutted the clinton welfare reform

libs are losers who lie to themselves

clinton wouldnt be allowed in your Party today dummy

Your false premises, distortions and LIES, are again noted Bubba,

 

[Dad2three]

your premise is that a tax hike in the clinton years translates into the American economy really wasnt "supply side" during those years; this despite YOUR OWN TALKING POINT IN THE SAME THREAD bout "30 years of empirical data" saying we've had "trickle-down" for 30 years

you're simply a clown trying to talk out of both sides of your mouth

Weird you didn't even bother to get to how it talked about WHEN Clinton/Dems increased taxes by 20% at the top rate (the opposite of supply side theory, the economy didn't stall but actually performed better than under Ronnie/Dubya tax cuts for the rich? Weird

 

[Dad2three]

clinton signed the law putting time limits on welfare recipients. at the time you moron Progs insisted people would starve in the streets. didnt happen
obama gutted the clinton welfare reform

libs are losers who lie to themselves

clinton wouldnt be allowed in your Party today dummy

why are they there as bill signs that?

unless it fit their plan, they wouldn't be there

lol

 

[Dad2three]

here's some history the left refuses and denies;

Harding (R) inherted a depression, he cut taxes and Fed spending in 1/2, 18 month later, depression over, Roaring Twentys begin.
fdr (D) inherited a depression, he increased taxes and Fed spending to level unseen, 10 years later and WW2 later, depression over, no economic boom.

now, who did obama copy and why is it taking so long for the economy to really get going?

leftist learned from history that increasing taxes and spending slows the economy and forces more people to rely on the government for basic needs.

so please go fuck yourself you useless sheep

From 2001 to 2008, millions of jobs were moved to China and over 40,000 factories closed. Those jobs are gone and those factories are gone. How do you recover from such a blow to the country? That was what was handed to Obama from the GOP. It's way easier to fix something if it's still there to be fixed. If it's gone, you can't fix it. You need to rebuild from scratch.

It was clinton that moved those jobs with nafta

I'd link it, but you have been given those links before and are still lying about it.


obama didn't build anything, he wasted money, that's all

You mean the best conservative Prez since Ike, BJ Bill agreed with Heritages Foundations NAFTA that Ronnie Reagan announced he was for the day he ran for Prez? Yep

every leftist likes to pass the buck around as much as possible to it's ok the when a dem fucks over the American people it's ok b/c........

Weird, Clinton, the best conservative Prez since Ike, agrees with Ronnie/Heritages "NAFTA" and 60% of Dems vote against it, but it the DEMS FAULT? Even though 60% of Dems vote against EVERY "free trade" deal (hint the GOP supports it and mostly conservative/"blue dog" Dems"

Yeah, BJ Bill signed that GOP bill!

 

[Dad2three]

by the way idiot. districts are drawn based on the Census. that would be the obama Census

facts are Red states are gaining population (and jobs) and Blue states are bleeding jobs and people

the gerrymandering talking point is just one more idiotic excuse from the Left for PROGRESSIVE FAILURE

GOP Memo: Gerrymandering Won Us The House Majority


A recent memo by the Republican State Leadership Committee emphasizes the party's 2010 victories in state legislatures as central to the House GOP retaining its majority in the 2012 elections.

The reason? Redistricting -- or more precisely, gerrymandering.



In the memo -- titled "How a Strategy of Targeting State Legislative Races in 2010 Led to a Republican U.S. House Majority in 2013" -- RSLC boasts that it "raised more than $30 million in 2009-2010, and invested $18 million after Labor Day 2010 alone" to ensure statehouse victories in states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin.

"The rationale was straightforward," reads the memo. "Controlling the redistricting process in these states would have the greatest impact on determining how both state legislative and congressional district boundaries would be drawn. Drawing new district lines in states with the most redistricting activity presented the opportunity to solidify conservative policymaking at the state level and maintain a Republican stronghold in the U.S. House of Representatives for the next decade."

The plan worked: even as they took a beating in the races for Senate and the White House, House Republicans ended up with a 33-seat majority, thanks to friendly district maps drawn by their own state colleagues. As the RSLC memo admits, "Democratic candidates for the U.S. House won 1.1 million more votes than their Republican opponents."

GOP Memo: Gerrymandering Won Us The House Majority

 

[LeftofLeft]

It was Capitalism that afforded him to make that statement. Think boy.

You mean the thing that almost collapsed the worlds economies?

You are not thinking. You are attacking because you hate Capitalism.

Sure Bubs, sure. I guess you got that from your crystal ball? Hint, one can believe the "job creators" need to pay more historical EFFECTIVE tax rates they did 1932-1980, that regulators on the beat matters with Gov't policy and the current GOP/Conservatives are trying to destroy Gov't have some type of Ayn Rand fetish than to actually just throw up crap, like you!

Crystal Ball? Fetish? Very simply, your preoccupation with egregious government state is that you hate Capitalism and want it stifled.

YOUR inability to EVER address ANYTHING on topic or to be honest is noted Bubba, and like most conservatives on this forum, your knee jerk reactionary "socialists" Bullsh*t is also noted!

This, coming from the BOY who inserts crystal balls and fetishes into debate. You are a child devoid of any level of intellectual retort. You cut and paste and cannot think on your feet.