Why can't Public Assistance increase?

[Boss]

The higher up in a company, the less difficult it gets. It's called directing and delegating and CEO's that are good at both make huge $$$$.

The point is, CEOS make over 300x the average salary now, 23x in the 50's, and you brainwashed morons think raping the country is just great if you're rich and GOP enough lol.

Neither of you are answering my question. Why does a capitalist enterprise, who's main objective is making as much profit as possible, squander precious profits on an exorbitant CEO salary? Do CEOs deploy some sort of mind control over the board of directors? Are they blackmailing them somehow? If the CEO is not worth what they are being paid, whether it's 23x or 300x the average worker, why is the capitalist entity paying them?

I mean... IF you can't answer the question, just say so. These little tap dances you're doing are amusing but we're getting nowhere. You've both claimed CEOs aren't worthy of what they are being paid... I simply want to know how you justify the complete contradiction of basic capitalist principles and the objective of any capitalist... CEOs aren't dictators or rulers who can't be overthrown... there is no law that says a CEO can name his own salary and never be fired and the company is helpless to do anything but pay him.... so what's your explanation???

Many of them are expert bullshit artists who have convinced the board that only they have the unique skill set to guide the company through trying times. Generally the board members have no idea how things actually function within the company so they buy it. Look at Carly Fiorina. She flew one of the worlds most prestigious companies (HP) straight into the ground and pretty much any of the engineers who worked for the company could have told you that's what was happening in real time.

This is just plum GOOFY.

 

[Czernobog]

Yes we do. We know very well how well he did. Suma cume laude. Top 5% of his class. So, unless that particular class of Harvard graduates was full of gorillas, and rhesus monkeys, then we know very well how well he did.

Where exactly you got that info from? Is there some proof, other that hearsay, to back that up? You know, something like photo, diploma, certificate, award. Also, I would like to read some of his work from Harvard law review.

Have I personally seen the transcripts? No. Did he publicly release them? Yes. Your response to his college achievements is just as idiotic, and irrational as the birther stupidity during his first campaign.

Lemme guess. You're one of those retards who still insist he isn't an American citizen, too, aren't you?

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[OnePercenter]

The CEO of any company doesn't actually do any of the work. S/He directs and delegates.

What do you mean doesn't actually do any of the work? You mean the CEO doesn't clean toilets? The CEO doesn't operate the lathe machine? The CEO doesn't load the trucks?

This is how it works in business: If you are hired to run a drill press for $15.00 per hour, it means that your employer can sell your work for $30.00 an hour or more. As I stated repeatedly, your work is valued by how much your employer can get anybody else to do the job.

If a CEO is making 5 million a year, it means he/she is bringing in much more for the company. That's why they hired this very valued CEO in the first place. Now if you don't want to pay that CEO 5 million a year, your competitor will, and take business away from your company; maybe even put your company under.

To be able to do that, it takes an extensive education, lots of experience, a history of success as a CEO, political ties, business ties, customer and supplier ties depending on the type of business.

The subordinates make all of the revenue. The CEO sets the direction and delegates.

 

[kaz]

The CEO of any company doesn't actually do any of the work. S/He directs and delegates.

What do you mean doesn't actually do any of the work? You mean the CEO doesn't clean toilets? The CEO doesn't operate the lathe machine? The CEO doesn't load the trucks?

This is how it works in business: If you are hired to run a drill press for $15.00 per hour, it means that your employer can sell your work for $30.00 an hour or more. As I stated repeatedly, your work is valued by how much your employer can get anybody else to do the job.

If a CEO is making 5 million a year, it means he/she is bringing in much more for the company. That's why they hired this very valued CEO in the first place. Now if you don't want to pay that CEO 5 million a year, your competitor will, and take business away from your company; maybe even put your company under.

To be able to do that, it takes an extensive education, lots of experience, a history of success as a CEO, political ties, business ties, customer and supplier ties depending on the type of business.

The subordinates make all of the revenue. The CEO sets the direction and delegates.

And that is supposed to contradict Ray how?

Delegating to the right person in the right way doesn't add value like cleaning toilets does? It cracks me up you claim to make 4.5 large a year when you know shit about business, you just parrot leftist politician's self serving lies

 

[Boss]

The CEO of any company doesn't actually do any of the work. S/He directs and delegates.

and A-GAIN... I will ask you.... Why would a capitalist enterprise who's only objective is maximum profits... pay someone SO much of their precious profits to simply delegate work to others?

It makes NO SENSE!

Do you not comprehend this, clown????

It's the same reason sports coaches make so much. It's the art of directing and delegating.

Umm... NO. Nick Saban doesn't make $5.2 million a year because he is good at delegating and directing. He makes that much because he is good at bringing National Championship trophies to Tuscaloosa.

CEOs who command a high salary are similarly good at what they do... which is to maximize profits. Delegating and directing are certainly good skills for a CEO to have but it's far from what makes them great CEOs or why they are paid so well.

Nick Saban could be awesome at delegating and directing... If he lost half his games and didn't bring home trophies for Alabama, he would lose his job. CEOs could be the best delegate/directors in the world... if they don't increase the company's profits they are fired.

But returning to my point... CEOs are paid highly by a Capitalist because they are of value to the Capitalist. To sit here and presume they don't deserve what they are paid is silly.... you're not paying them, the capitalist is. It's the value THEY consider them to have, not YOU.

 

[francoHFW]

The CEO of any company doesn't actually do any of the work. S/He directs and delegates.

What do you mean doesn't actually do any of the work? You mean the CEO doesn't clean toilets? The CEO doesn't operate the lathe machine? The CEO doesn't load the trucks?

This is how it works in business: If you are hired to run a drill press for $15.00 per hour, it means that your employer can sell your work for $30.00 an hour or more. As I stated repeatedly, your work is valued by how much your employer can get anybody else to do the job.

If a CEO is making 5 million a year, it means he/she is bringing in much more for the company. That's why they hired this very valued CEO in the first place. Now if you don't want to pay that CEO 5 million a year, your competitor will, and take business away from your company; maybe even put your company under.

To be able to do that, it takes an extensive education, lots of experience, a history of success as a CEO, political ties, business ties, customer and supplier ties depending on the type of business.

BS, dupe.Many workers are so underpaid now they don't care, hate work, and can't supply demand. Thanks GOP and greedy idiot GOP CEOs...
The subordinates make all of the revenue. The CEO sets the direction and delegates.

 

[kaz]

The CEO of any company doesn't actually do any of the work. S/He directs and delegates.

and A-GAIN... I will ask you.... Why would a capitalist enterprise who's only objective is maximum profits... pay someone SO much of their precious profits to simply delegate work to others?

It makes NO SENSE!

Do you not comprehend this, clown????

It's the same reason sports coaches make so much. It's the art of directing and delegating.

Umm... NO. Nick Saban doesn't make $5.2 million a year because he is good at delegating and directing. He makes that much because he is good at bringing National Championship trophies to Tuscaloosa.

CEOs who command a high salary are similarly good at what they do... which is to maximize profits. Delegating and directing are certainly good skills for a CEO to have but it's far from what makes them great CEOs or why they are paid so well.

Nick Saban could be awesome at delegating and directing... If he lost half his games and didn't bring home trophies for Alabama, he would lose his job. CEOs could be the best delegate/directors in the world... if they don't increase the company's profits they are fired.

But returning to my point... CEOs are paid highly by a Capitalist because they are of value to the Capitalist. To sit here and presume they don't deserve what they are paid is silly.... you're not paying them, the capitalist is. It's the value THEY consider them to have, not YOU.

Funny how the "one percenter" who makes 4.5 large (according to him) a year doesn't grasp the importance of profit, isn't it?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The subordinates make all of the revenue. The CEO sets the direction and delegates.

If that were true the company wouldn't have a CEO. The CEO does all that work and more. They aren't flying around the country all the time for fun. Very important people are not going to meet with delegates.

 

[Boss]

The subordinates make all of the revenue. The CEO sets the direction and delegates.

Again... that is simply not true and it's one of many things you've said that leads me to think you've never run a business in your life. Everyone in a company is of value, otherwise, they wouldn't be there... the company is about making profit and there's no room for people to be paid who bring no value to the table. So everyone is of value and they are generally paid accordingly.

Revenue, on the other hand, is the money brought in by a company. Out of that, expenses have to be paid and that leaves the profit. Revenue is going to depend on a myriad of factors. It's not solely determined by the "subordinates." How much revenue could a sewing company make without sewing machines? Did the seamstress furnish the sewing machine? What about the thread and material? How about the marketing and advertising for the products? Does the seamstress work on that as well? Do they provide the insurance, maintenance, transportation costs, etc.? So... how can you possibly claim they make all the revenue? They perform a task and are paid for what they do. It's FAR from being all there is to producing revenue.

You are simply a mental midget, posing here as someone who is supposedly wealthy. What a fucking JOKE... you're not wealthy, you're probably a fraudulent disability recipient with nothing better to do every day than sit here on your computer (which someone else paid for) espousing the virtues of Marxism.

 

[kaz]

The subordinates make all of the revenue. The CEO sets the direction and delegates.

If that were true the company wouldn't have a CEO. The CEO does all that work and more. They aren't flying around the country all the time for fun. Very important people are not going to meet with delegates.

The 4.5 million dollar man doesn't grasp the job of a CEO, it's hillarious ...

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And the GOP refuses to have any investment of any kind to train workers for 3 million plus tech jobs going begging, or to pass an intelligent immigration bill that would END that problem with a good SS ID card and legalization of worthy illegals

There are no worthy illegals. They are all illegal and don't belong here. They take jobs from Americans and lower pay for those Americans with jobs.

Government is not supposed to train workers. If you want training, by all means, get the training and pay for it yourself. You are the one that's going to get the benefits--not the taxpayer. And the GOP is trying to pull back all that wasteful spending by DumBama, otherwise we might have the money for better things in this country.

We are broke. Broke means no money. Broke means in debt. Broke means failure. Only a liberal would promote more failure.

 

[OnePercenter]

A CEO's job is to steer the course, how is that difficult?

Bwahahaha! Then why aren't you a CEO? If it's so easy and it pays such an enormous salary, it's only logical that you and other libtards would be doing it.

The President of the United States job is to "steer the course". Do you have any idea how difficult and stressful it is being President of the United States? A CEO literally has to be clairvoyant. They are expected to see around the corner of tomorrow and put their company in position to capitalize on what they "see". They have to make high pressure decision after high pressure decision. They have to anticipate and then navigate both potential and actual government interference/regulation. They have to anticipate and then navigate competition. They have to deal with human error within their organization and personnel issues. They have to deal with liberals in government destroying the economy. And they have to handle 32 hours worth of work per day.

I am a CEO of five corporations that have a combined asset/revenue of $780M, and I work 8-10 hours per week. Why? Because I placed an adequate platform, implemented a check and balance system, and hired VERY talented people to direct the day-to-day operations of each company.

I also use those big-bad regulations to my benefit.

 

[koshergrl]

And the GOP refuses to have any investment of any kind to train workers for 3 million plus tech jobs going begging, or to pass an intelligent immigration bill that would END that problem with a good SS ID card and legalization of worthy illegals

There are no worthy illegals. They are all illegal and don't belong here. They take jobs from Americans and lower pay for those Americans with jobs.

Government is not supposed to train workers. If you want training, by all means, get the training and pay for it yourself. You are the one that's going to get the benefits--not the taxpayer. And the GOP is trying to pull back all that wasteful spending by DumBama, otherwise we might have the money for better things in this country.

We are broke. Broke means no money. Broke means in debt. Broke means failure. Only a liberal would promote more failure.

They promote failure because they are vultures who feast on the destruction of humanity. They pilfer and consume resources and money that other people have harvested and created.

 

[koshergrl]

A CEO's job is to steer the course, how is that difficult?

Bwahahaha! Then why aren't you a CEO? If it's so easy and it pays such an enormous salary, it's only logical that you and other libtards would be doing it.

The President of the United States job is to "steer the course". Do you have any idea how difficult and stressful it is being President of the United States? A CEO literally has to be clairvoyant. They are expected to see around the corner of tomorrow and put their company in position to capitalize on what they "see". They have to make high pressure decision after high pressure decision. They have to anticipate and then navigate both potential and actual government interference/regulation. They have to anticipate and then navigate competition. They have to deal with human error within their organization and personnel issues. They have to deal with liberals in government destroying the economy. And they have to handle 32 hours worth of work per day.

I am a CEO of five corporations that have a combined asset/revenue of $780M, and I work 8-10 hours per week. Why? Because I placed an adequate platform, implemented a check and balance system, and hired VERY talented people to direct the day-to-day operations of each company.

I also use those big-bad regulations to my benefit.

Yeah I don't believe you. You're either lying, or a criminal...and lying.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No offense, but that's outdated angry white Republican dude thinking. Most of the large corporations are too top-heavy in terms of bloated salaries. The pay could be distributed more equitably. Share more of the love with the struggling warriors in the trenches.

If you really believe that's the way companies should work, then you get a job with profit sharing. If you can't find a job that offers profit sharing, then you take your money and invest in your companies stock and grow with them.

No worthwhile CEO is going to accept a job that "shares the love." They (like most workers) are going to get as high of salary as they can. If a company "shares the love" then they don't have the money to get the top big brass. And it's the big brass that brings in the work for the workers.

 

[OnePercenter]

A jacket is not a job.

Did I say it was? It is the exact same thing though. If the wages are not acceptable, then don't take the job. If you don't think the jacket is worth what the seller is asking, then buy a jacket elsewhere.

Did I say it was? It is the exact same thing though. If the wages are not acceptable, then don't take the job. If you don't think the jacket is worth what the seller is asking, then buy a jacket elsewhere.

What if all the wages are not acceptable and retailers conspired to drive up jacket prices?

Capitalism is the legitimate racket of the ruling class...Alphonse Gabriel Capone

Price fixing between businesses is illegal. Between unions, however, it's perfectly legal. The truth, though, is simple. A valuable employee will earn more.

Walmart comes in using tax payer subsidies, lowers prices to eliminate competition, then once the competition is gone they start incrementally raising prices. That's NOT price fixing?

How do Unions price fix?

 

[paulitician]

No offense, but that's outdated angry white Republican dude thinking. Most of the large corporations are too top-heavy in terms of bloated salaries. The pay could be distributed more equitably. Share more of the love with the struggling warriors in the trenches.

If you really believe that's the way companies should work, then you get a job with profit sharing. If you can't find a job that offers profit sharing, then you take your money and invest in your companies stock and grow with them.

No worthwhile CEO is going to accept a job that "shares the love." They (like most workers) are going to get as high of salary as they can. If a company "shares the love" then they don't have the money to get the top big brass. And it's the big brass that brings in the work for the workers.

It can be done. Help the struggling warriors in the trenches. Share the love. We'll all benefit from it.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

They promote failure because they are vultures who feast on the destruction of humanity. They pilfer and consume resources and money that other people have harvested and created.

Liberals have all kinds of great ideas, but never ask how it's going to be paid for. Just gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme.

"Socialism is a great government until you run out of other peoples money to spend."
Margret Thatcher

 

[OnePercenter]

Ya know. I keep hearing from fake conservatives about how we spend too much on welfare. Welfare would cause taxes to raise. Poor people want to steal more of my money. Blah, blah, blah.

Some interesting statistics:

Finland spends 3.2% of its federal budget on public assistance.

Great Britain spends a little over 4.6%

Israel spends 2.4%

Norway spends a whopping 6.2%.

And the US? 0.7%. That's it.

So, why can't we just increase that to 2%? We can take that 2% away from our bloated military budget. It would still make us the Western nation that spends the least amount of money on their poor, but imagine the massive effect that would have on poverty in this country. And it wouldn't even cost the tax payers one. Red. Cent. more than they are paying, now. Because I'm not suggesting increasing the budget. I'm suggesting giving public assistance a slightly larger piece of the existing budget.

Why is that such an outrageous idea?

Because we desperately need to increase our military budget and decrease our bloated, insane, and unconstitutional social welfare budget.

Look - here is the bottom line for all of you selfish, anti-American's. If Finland is so great - go live there. If Norway is so great - go live there. I don't understand why all of you idiots point to how wonderful other nations are but you stay here in the U.S. It screams that you realize this is the greatest nation in the world and that you're getting a fat deal mooching off of the rest of us.

But the corporation-capitalist welfare is much-much more than social welfare, how do you plan to stop that when we own your ass?

The illusion continues. You own nothing.

Then refute any of my posts.

 

[OnePercenter]

Actually, Public Assistance is increasing. It's been increasing during the last several Presidencies. So the premise of this thread is flawed. In fact, public assistance is at an all time high. I think we should be asking different questions. For one, why are so many Americans depending on Government for their survival?

Wage disparity.