Why can't public assistence decrease?

[Redfish]

Why can't our government take the few simple steps that would get citizens off of welfare and food stamps and back into the work force as productive members of society?

1 incentivize small business start ups with tax breaks
2 make job training and public service a prerequisite for receiving any form of govt assistance (able bodied only)
3 allow corporations to bring foreign profits back into the USA tax free if they reinvest them here
4 give tax credits for each new person hired - after 6 months of employment
5 reduce that corporate tax rate. Now the highest in the world

Do those 5 things and the number of people on public assistance would decrease significantly.

 

[Claudette]

kinda hard when freeloaders just love to freeload.

Who the hell wants to work when the taxpayers can pay your bills, provide health care, a place to live and put food on your table.

Hell. They also get "free" cell phones and who knows what else at our expense.

What a way to live. Someone else pays for your life for you. Why get a damned job??

 

[Redfish]

kinda hard when freeloaders just love to freeload.

Who the hell wants to work when the taxpayers can pay your bills, provide health care, a place to live and put food on your table.

Hell. They also get "free" cell phones and who knows what else at our expense.

What a way to live. Someone else pays for your life for you. Why get a damned job??

sad but true.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

Why can't

...you breath vacuum?

 

[Anathema]

All that needs to be done to decrease the welfare rolls is for the House of Representatives to write a Constitutional budget. The welfare system ceases to exist overnight in that case.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Why can't our government take the few simple steps that would get citizens off of welfare and food stamps and back into the work force as productive members of society?

1 incentivize small business start ups with tax breaks
2 make job training and public service a prerequisite for receiving any form of govt assistance (able bodied only)
3 allow corporations to bring foreign profits back into the USA tax free if they reinvest them here
4 give tax credits for each new person hired - after 6 months of employment
5 reduce that corporate tax rate. Now the highest in the world

Do those 5 things and the number of people on public assistance would decrease significantly.

Or -

Forbid the hiring of illegals altogether, and enforce it.

End public assistance. Watch how fast those jobs "Americans won't do" fill up.

 

[saveliberty]

What the Hell is assistence?

Where you help someone avoid sex?

 

[Redfish]

What the Hell is assistence?

Where you help someone avoid sex?

holy shit, you found a typo, wonderful, you get the dipshit trophy for the morning.

 

[owebo]

The rioting caused by taking a penny away from the democrat plantation would be of epic proportions....

 

[saveliberty]

holy shit, you found a typo, wonderful, you get the dipshit trophy for the morning.

Can it be second place? Silver prices are up.

 

[DGS49]

One might mention here that the phenomenon of the "permanent underclass" was noted many years ago, with the characteristic that this "class" of people has managed to find satisfaction in a lifestyle that is totally dependent on handouts from Government. Thus, within this "class," we have people who have not had gainful employment for GENERATIONS.

Unfortunately, the totality of benefits showered (reluctantly) on the Underclass - free healthcare, free cash, subsidized housing, food, and "education" - has become the equivalent of a lower-middle-class income, so that the package of benefits would have to be replaced by a fairly significant income in order to induce those on the dole to participate in the labor force. Assuming they are willing under any circumstances to do so.

I used to travel regularly to Thailand, Bangkok mainly. One thing that always impressed me was the vast number of humble street vendors who were eking our a living by selling jewelry, clothing, food, or whatever else there might be. Some of them would go to the produce yards in the morning, buy some fruit, cut it, and package it neatly in plastic bags for re-sale on the street. They used old, beat up card tables to display and market their products. THE POINT BEING, with no social "safety net," these people were willing and able to work long and hard to scrape together the money they needed to live. Because there was no choice.

It is amazing how resourceful people will be when they have to. And wouldn't it be nice if the culture also caused people to scorn criminality?

This issue is the focal point of the debate on a "high" minimum wage. The Lefties say that a high MW is necessary to allow people at the bottom to be self-supporting, and Righties say that a high MW will discourage employment to the extent that FEWER jobs will actually be available for those at the bottom, thus harming the very people who are purportedly to benefit from the increase in the MW.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Unfortunately, the totality of benefits showered (reluctantly) on the Underclass - free healthcare, free cash, subsidized housing, food, and "education" - has become the equivalent of a lower-middle-class income, so that the package of benefits would have to be replaced by a fairly significant income in order to induce those on the dole to participate in the labor force. Assuming they are willing under any circumstances to do so.

No one is owed a living.

 

[Redfish]

Unfortunately, the totality of benefits showered (reluctantly) on the Underclass - free healthcare, free cash, subsidized housing, food, and "education" - has become the equivalent of a lower-middle-class income, so that the package of benefits would have to be replaced by a fairly significant income in order to induce those on the dole to participate in the labor force. Assuming they are willing under any circumstances to do so.

No one is owed a living.

that is the key. Liberals think they are owed a living. That's what we are up against.

 

[Redfish]

One might mention here that the phenomenon of the "permanent underclass" was noted many years ago, with the characteristic that this "class" of people has managed to find satisfaction in a lifestyle that is totally dependent on handouts from Government. Thus, within this "class," we have people who have not had gainful employment for GENERATIONS.

Unfortunately, the totality of benefits showered (reluctantly) on the Underclass - free healthcare, free cash, subsidized housing, food, and "education" - has become the equivalent of a lower-middle-class income, so that the package of benefits would have to be replaced by a fairly significant income in order to induce those on the dole to participate in the labor force. Assuming they are willing under any circumstances to do so.

I used to travel regularly to Thailand, Bangkok mainly. One thing that always impressed me was the vast number of humble street vendors who were eking our a living by selling jewelry, clothing, food, or whatever else there might be. Some of them would go to the produce yards in the morning, buy some fruit, cut it, and package it neatly in plastic bags for re-sale on the street. They used old, beat up card tables to display and market their products. THE POINT BEING, with no social "safety net," these people were willing and able to work long and hard to scrape together the money they needed to live. Because there was no choice.

It is amazing how resourceful people will be when they have to. And wouldn't it be nice if the culture also caused people to scorn criminality?

This issue is the focal point of the debate on a "high" minimum wage. The Lefties say that a high MW is necessary to allow people at the bottom to be self-supporting, and Righties say that a high MW will discourage employment to the extent that FEWER jobs will actually be available for those at the bottom, thus harming the very people who are purportedly to benefit from the increase in the MW.

good points. I spent a lot of time in Japan while working. They have no welfare system. The needy show up for work at 6AM and spend the day cleaning the streets, collecting trash, cleaning and painting public buildings etc and then get paid at the end of the day. If they don't show up they don't get paid.

Those who are physically or mentally unable to work are taken care of in public facilities.

 

[Redfish]

no ideas from any of our resident leftists on ways to reduce public welfare? Interesting.

 

[AntonToo]

Why can't our government take the few simple steps that would get citizens off of welfare and food stamps and back into the work force as productive members of society?

Because real world is not your right wing utopia where no one would need help if only we have the right policy.

Many people who work get government benefits because their pay is too low to be able to support a family. For example half of fast food industry employees receive government benefits. But ironically conservatives oppose the very policy that is sure to reduce these people's reliance on these benefits - increased minimum wage.

Also, for the most part training and/or looking for work is already a requirement for welfare assistance for non-disabled people.

And tax-free repatriation? A quick way to ensure most profits leave the country to comeback un-taxed.

 

[Anathema]

.Many people who work get government benefits because their pay is too low to be able to support a family. For example half of fast food industry employees receive government benefits. But ironically conservatives oppose the very policy that is sure to reduce these people's reliance on these benefits - increased minimum wage.

You suggest the answer is raising wages. I suggest the answer is telling these folks they shouldn't be trying to support a family on their pay.

Wives and kids are luxuries for AFTER you have a sufficient income to support them; not the other way around.

 

[AntonToo]

You suggest the answer is raising wages. I suggest the answer is telling these folks they shouldn't be trying to support a family on their pay.

Wives and kids are luxuries for AFTER you have a sufficient income to support them; not the other way around.

That is maybe a reasonable approach on Mars, but here, on planet earth, means testing marriages and pregnancies is not a viable option.

 

[Anathema]

That is maybe a reasonable approach on Mars, but here, on planet earth, means testing marriages and pregnancies is not a viable option.

True. That's why the response should simply be that when these families,show up begging for handouts you tell them....

Sell a couple of your kids or get your wife out on the street corner, dude. Your problem, not ours.

 

[AntonToo]

That is maybe a reasonable approach on Mars, but here, on planet earth, means testing marriages and pregnancies is not a viable option.

True. That's why the response should simply be that when these families,show up begging for handouts you tell them....

Sell a couple of your kids or get your wife out on the street corner, dude. Your problem, not ours.

Again, not an option in any sort of economically developed, civilized society.

The People reject that approach.