CDZ Why Do Alot Of Conservatives Feel Liberals Want Their Guns?

[Asclepias]

cops aren't any more special than I or my wife is . Normal capacity magazines and guns for cops who are civil servants and the same for their employers Ace !!

I never said they were special. I said their job requires them to have fire power. Yours doesnt.

 

[pismoe]

My Glock 19 and my Springfield XDM are laughing at such silliness from you. I asked to offer a better alternative and you deflected. Please address the point.

-------------------- big deal , so you own a Glock 19 and maybe an AR . If you are in California your 2 guns effectiveness has been reduced to to the fact that your guns cannot use NORMAL capacity magazines Ace .

Its a very big deal if someone is claiming I am a gun banner. Does it make sense that I would want my weapons banned? my guns effectiveness is fine. If I cant kill someone with 10 rounds I shouldnt even pick up a gun.

------------------------------------ yeah , that's why cops can carry normal capacity magazines along with other fully loaded magazines , you are a gun controller or a naïve gun owner Ace !!

Everyone is not a cop and has no need for more than 10 rounds. Their job description involves them shooting people to stop crimes or protect themselves. Dont equate the general public to cops. its apples and oranges.

Where is your proof that 10 rounds is sufficient? We need to see it...just the same as you do.

---------------------------------------------- Ace is 'fos' or naïve or a gun controller ZZPups , as I am sure that you know !!

 

[Asclepias]

Obviously it didnt stop those mass shooters. Are you one of those people that think if it doesnt make the news then its not working? How many potential mass shooters has it stopped?

Ahh you want PROOF firearms owners are law abiding but now claim some nefarious unknown number of mass shooters were stopped by firearms laws? Link please?

I didnt claim anything. I asked you how many potential mass shooters has background checks and permits stopped? I have a buddy that cant legally get a weapon because he did 5 years in the pen. I know for a fact it works.

Meanwhile you DEMAND proof no firearms owner breaks laws but now claim some unknown number of potential mass shooters are stopped by firearms laws, again provide the same evidence you demand for your firearms owners are not law abiding claim. Link please.

Thats right. I demand she prove her statement. I never made a claim. Do you see the difference now?

You made a claim that some unknown number of mass hooters were stopped by firearms laws, back it up.

Where did I make that claim? I need a quote.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Ahh you want PROOF firearms owners are law abiding but now claim some nefarious unknown number of mass shooters were stopped by firearms laws? Link please?

I didnt claim anything. I asked you how many potential mass shooters has background checks and permits stopped? I have a buddy that cant legally get a weapon because he did 5 years in the pen. I know for a fact it works.

Meanwhile you DEMAND proof no firearms owner breaks laws but now claim some unknown number of potential mass shooters are stopped by firearms laws, again provide the same evidence you demand for your firearms owners are not law abiding claim. Link please.

Thats right. I demand she prove her statement. I never made a claim. Do you see the difference now?

You made a claim that some unknown number of mass hooters were stopped by firearms laws, back it up.

Where did I make that claim? I need a quote.

So you ADMIT that since all the latest mass shooters all got their firearms legally through the current laws that they in fact do not work?

 

[pismoe]

yep , Ace is either naïve , a gun controller or 'fos' or a combination of all 3 !!

 

[OldLady]

This has always mystified me to no end. As a owner of several weapons and a liberal it always makes me laugh when they say this. I was looking at one of my favorite guys on youtube by the name of Colion Noir and found this video. The guy in the video is Tyson Beckford who I happened to meet a long time ago and didnt even know he was famous. We hit it off pretty good and its funny how we have the same outlook on the issue.

We should not take liberals at their word when they say they support confiscation like in Australia?

You should certainly take mine. I'd love it.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Perhaps it mystifies you because you cannot see the truth. Just like Obamacare was designed as the start of national governmental healthcare, gun control efforts are designed to overturn the second amendment and result in an unarmed populace.

I can see the truth. There are some nuts on both sides of the issue. Gun control is not meant to overturn the second amendment. Its to prevent nutcases from getting guns and shooting people dead. Please dont be naive. There is no way the populace would ever be unarmed even if they took away all the registered guns.

Are you aware of the fact that licensed gun owners are the most law abiding of any citizens....?


Permit holders are extremely law abiding. They would lose their permits for any weapons-related infraction. It doesn’t happen

a. Example: “Of the 51,078 permits that have been issued by the state since the law took effect in 2007, 44 permit holders have been charged with a crime while using a firearm through late October, according to records provided by the Kansas Attorney General’s Office.”
http://www.kansas.com/2012/11/17/2572467/few-crimes-committed-by-concealed.html

Criminality is .00086%


These are the people that 'gun control' laws are aimed at.

Could it be any more insane????

Your argument is weird. How do you know licensed gun owners are the most law abiding? Where did you get that information? Do you mean they just havent gotten caught breaking a law? Same thing for permit holders. Just because they didnt have a weapons related infraction doesnt mean they obey all laws? How many killers, white collar swindlers, speeding infractions have been done by gun owners?

Its not insane. Its the best method of catching criminals and preventing nutcases from getting guns. if you can think of a better one how come no one has offered an alternative? I'm all ears.

And yet every single mass shooter has passed all the firearm laws to get their firearms. Remind me how those laws prevented them again?

Obviously it didnt stop those mass shooters. Are you one of those people that think if it doesnt make the news then its not working? How many potential mass shooters has it stopped?

You did not say this? Then argue the point?

 

[ZZ PUPPS]

-------------------- big deal , so you own a Glock 19 and maybe an AR . If you are in California your 2 guns effectiveness has been reduced to to the fact that your guns cannot use NORMAL capacity magazines Ace .

Its a very big deal if someone is claiming I am a gun banner. Does it make sense that I would want my weapons banned? my guns effectiveness is fine. If I cant kill someone with 10 rounds I shouldnt even pick up a gun.

------------------------------------ yeah , that's why cops can carry normal capacity magazines along with other fully loaded magazines , you are a gun controller or a naïve gun owner Ace !!

Everyone is not a cop and has no need for more than 10 rounds. Their job description involves them shooting people to stop crimes or protect themselves. Dont equate the general public to cops. its apples and oranges.

Where is your proof that 10 rounds is sufficient? We need to see it...just the same as you do.

One round is actually sufficient if you know what you are doing.

Proof...not dodges when you get called out using your own trolling tactic. What if there are 2 shooters? One round gets the job done? Me no thinkee so.

 

[Asclepias]

This has always mystified me to no end. As a owner of several weapons and a liberal it always makes me laugh when they say this. I was looking at one of my favorite guys on youtube by the name of Colion Noir and found this video. The guy in the video is Tyson Beckford who I happened to meet a long time ago and didnt even know he was famous. We hit it off pretty good and its funny how we have the same outlook on the issue.

Because they told us they want to. Still mystified there sport?

Video: Clinton Delegate Elaborates On How Democrats Will Ban Guns



“How do we ban guns? What do we have to do?” asked the PV writer.

“I don’t know. It’s hard because the country is split, you know? And all the money, the big money is with the NRA…well you know how you do it. You got to get Democrats in office. That really is…you got to get enough people in there to vote the right way,” Bayer said. “You got to say you want common sense gun legislation,” she added.

Yes. I am still mystified that you believe that because some liberals want guns banned you really believe all liberals want guns banned.

 

[Asclepias]

I can see the truth. There are some nuts on both sides of the issue. Gun control is not meant to overturn the second amendment. Its to prevent nutcases from getting guns and shooting people dead. Please dont be naive. There is no way the populace would ever be unarmed even if they took away all the registered guns.

Are you aware of the fact that licensed gun owners are the most law abiding of any citizens....?


Permit holders are extremely law abiding. They would lose their permits for any weapons-related infraction. It doesn’t happen

a. Example: “Of the 51,078 permits that have been issued by the state since the law took effect in 2007, 44 permit holders have been charged with a crime while using a firearm through late October, according to records provided by the Kansas Attorney General’s Office.”
http://www.kansas.com/2012/11/17/2572467/few-crimes-committed-by-concealed.html

Criminality is .00086%


These are the people that 'gun control' laws are aimed at.

Could it be any more insane????

Your argument is weird. How do you know licensed gun owners are the most law abiding? Where did you get that information? Do you mean they just havent gotten caught breaking a law? Same thing for permit holders. Just because they didnt have a weapons related infraction doesnt mean they obey all laws? How many killers, white collar swindlers, speeding infractions have been done by gun owners?

Its not insane. Its the best method of catching criminals and preventing nutcases from getting guns. if you can think of a better one how come no one has offered an alternative? I'm all ears.

And yet every single mass shooter has passed all the firearm laws to get their firearms. Remind me how those laws prevented them again?

Obviously it didnt stop those mass shooters. Are you one of those people that think if it doesnt make the news then its not working? How many potential mass shooters has it stopped?

You did not say this? Then argue the point?

Yes I asked you question. Since you couldnt answer it you claimed i made a claim.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Are you aware of the fact that licensed gun owners are the most law abiding of any citizens....?


Permit holders are extremely law abiding. They would lose their permits for any weapons-related infraction. It doesn’t happen

a. Example: “Of the 51,078 permits that have been issued by the state since the law took effect in 2007, 44 permit holders have been charged with a crime while using a firearm through late October, according to records provided by the Kansas Attorney General’s Office.”
http://www.kansas.com/2012/11/17/2572467/few-crimes-committed-by-concealed.html

Criminality is .00086%


These are the people that 'gun control' laws are aimed at.

Could it be any more insane????

Your argument is weird. How do you know licensed gun owners are the most law abiding? Where did you get that information? Do you mean they just havent gotten caught breaking a law? Same thing for permit holders. Just because they didnt have a weapons related infraction doesnt mean they obey all laws? How many killers, white collar swindlers, speeding infractions have been done by gun owners?

Its not insane. Its the best method of catching criminals and preventing nutcases from getting guns. if you can think of a better one how come no one has offered an alternative? I'm all ears.

And yet every single mass shooter has passed all the firearm laws to get their firearms. Remind me how those laws prevented them again?

Obviously it didnt stop those mass shooters. Are you one of those people that think if it doesnt make the news then its not working? How many potential mass shooters has it stopped?

You did not say this? Then argue the point?

Yes I asked you question. Since you couldnt answer it you claimed i made a claim.

So you admit the laws don't work thanks.

 

[ZZ PUPPS]

cops aren't any more special than I or my wife is . Normal capacity magazines and guns for cops who are civil servants and the same for their employers Ace !!

I never said they were special. I said their job requires them to have fire power. Yours doesnt.

Pupps' job is to defend his family and Pupps will use whatever firepower Pupps sees fit to accomplish that end. It is Pupps' right and not yours to dictate.

 

[Asclepias]

Its a very big deal if someone is claiming I am a gun banner. Does it make sense that I would want my weapons banned? my guns effectiveness is fine. If I cant kill someone with 10 rounds I shouldnt even pick up a gun.

------------------------------------ yeah , that's why cops can carry normal capacity magazines along with other fully loaded magazines , you are a gun controller or a naïve gun owner Ace !!

Everyone is not a cop and has no need for more than 10 rounds. Their job description involves them shooting people to stop crimes or protect themselves. Dont equate the general public to cops. its apples and oranges.

Where is your proof that 10 rounds is sufficient? We need to see it...just the same as you do.

One round is actually sufficient if you know what you are doing.

Proof...not dodges when you get called out using your own trolling tactic. What if there are 2 shooters? One round gets the job done? Me no thinkee so.

That is proof. He killed that elk with one shot. If you cant do that to a human you need to get out to the range and make your aim active.

 

[Asclepias]

Your argument is weird. How do you know licensed gun owners are the most law abiding? Where did you get that information? Do you mean they just havent gotten caught breaking a law? Same thing for permit holders. Just because they didnt have a weapons related infraction doesnt mean they obey all laws? How many killers, white collar swindlers, speeding infractions have been done by gun owners?

Its not insane. Its the best method of catching criminals and preventing nutcases from getting guns. if you can think of a better one how come no one has offered an alternative? I'm all ears.

And yet every single mass shooter has passed all the firearm laws to get their firearms. Remind me how those laws prevented them again?

Obviously it didnt stop those mass shooters. Are you one of those people that think if it doesnt make the news then its not working? How many potential mass shooters has it stopped?

You did not say this? Then argue the point?

Yes I asked you question. Since you couldnt answer it you claimed i made a claim.

So you admit the laws don't work thanks.

So you admit the laws did work in most cases....Thanks.

 

[Asclepias]

cops aren't any more special than I or my wife is . Normal capacity magazines and guns for cops who are civil servants and the same for their employers Ace !!

I never said they were special. I said their job requires them to have fire power. Yours doesnt.

Pupps' job is to defend his family and Pupps will use whatever firepower Pupps sees fit to accomplish that end. It is Pupps' right and not yours to dictate.

Tell Pupp its not his right to have a machine gun. Tell him I said so.

 

[ZZ PUPPS]

------------------------------------ yeah , that's why cops can carry normal capacity magazines along with other fully loaded magazines , you are a gun controller or a naïve gun owner Ace !!

Everyone is not a cop and has no need for more than 10 rounds. Their job description involves them shooting people to stop crimes or protect themselves. Dont equate the general public to cops. its apples and oranges.

Where is your proof that 10 rounds is sufficient? We need to see it...just the same as you do.

One round is actually sufficient if you know what you are doing.

Proof...not dodges when you get called out using your own trolling tactic. What if there are 2 shooters? One round gets the job done? Me no thinkee so.

That is proof. He killed that elk with one shot. If you cant do that to a human you need to get out to the range and make your aim active.

Wrong poster to try that gambit on. Pupps is a qualified marksman with both shoulder and hand arms - and has been for over 40 years. Elks don't shoot back nor do they threaten you with a firearm. Try an argument other than bluff, bravado and flipping questions to advance your position.

 

[Asclepias]

Everyone is not a cop and has no need for more than 10 rounds. Their job description involves them shooting people to stop crimes or protect themselves. Dont equate the general public to cops. its apples and oranges.

Where is your proof that 10 rounds is sufficient? We need to see it...just the same as you do.

One round is actually sufficient if you know what you are doing.

Proof...not dodges when you get called out using your own trolling tactic. What if there are 2 shooters? One round gets the job done? Me no thinkee so.

That is proof. He killed that elk with one shot. If you cant do that to a human you need to get out to the range and make your aim active.

Wrong poster to try that gambit on. Pupps is a qualified marksman with both shoulder and hand arms - and has been for over 40 years. Elks don't shoot back nor do they threaten you with a firearm. Try an argument other than bluff, bravado and flipping questions to advance your position.

If Pupps is a qualified marksman why does he need more than 10 rounds? You can tell Pupps he just gave himself away as someone that cant shoot straight. Now he is in a hurry to move the goal posts. I am much smarter than Pupps. Please remind him that his claim was what if you need more than 10 rounds and not what if the other person had a gun.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

And yet every single mass shooter has passed all the firearm laws to get their firearms. Remind me how those laws prevented them again?

Obviously it didnt stop those mass shooters. Are you one of those people that think if it doesnt make the news then its not working? How many potential mass shooters has it stopped?

You did not say this? Then argue the point?

Yes I asked you question. Since you couldnt answer it you claimed i made a claim.

So you admit the laws don't work thanks.

So you admit the laws did work in most cases....Thanks.

There is NO evidence anyone was stopped from a mass shooting. That is the second time you made that claim and now you will deny it again.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

cops aren't any more special than I or my wife is . Normal capacity magazines and guns for cops who are civil servants and the same for their employers Ace !!

I never said they were special. I said their job requires them to have fire power. Yours doesnt.

Pupps' job is to defend his family and Pupps will use whatever firepower Pupps sees fit to accomplish that end. It is Pupps' right and not yours to dictate.

Tell Pupp its not his right to have a machine gun. Tell him I said so.

Actually in most States it is quite legal to have a machine Gun.

 

[ZZ PUPPS]

Where is your proof that 10 rounds is sufficient? We need to see it...just the same as you do.

One round is actually sufficient if you know what you are doing.

Proof...not dodges when you get called out using your own trolling tactic. What if there are 2 shooters? One round gets the job done? Me no thinkee so.

That is proof. He killed that elk with one shot. If you cant do that to a human you need to get out to the range and make your aim active.

Wrong poster to try that gambit on. Pupps is a qualified marksman with both shoulder and hand arms - and has been for over 40 years. Elks don't shoot back nor do they threaten you with a firearm. Try an argument other than bluff, bravado and flipping questions to advance your position.

If Pupps is a qualified marksman why does he need more than 10 rounds? You can tell Pupps he just gave himself away as someone that cant shoot straight. Now he is in a hurry to move the goal posts. I am much smarter than Pupps. Please remind him that his claim was what if you need more than 10 rounds and not what if the other person had a gun.

So you intend to provide free marksmanship courses to the entire population of the US? That would be required as part of your argument of limiting rounds based upon shooting skillsets.