Why do Democrats Trivialize The Threat From Radical Islam

[AllieBaba]

Pfft.

This is so incredibly stupid.

Imagine that, your usual nonresponsive BS. This is how you claim to have responded when you clearly cite no post and can only troll even as you run away from proof of your LIES. Good job. LOL

You're an idiot. I'm plenty responsive. To things that deserve a response.

 

[drsmith1072]

Sheesh I can't keep the stupid threads straight:

The fact that you admit this even as you calim to have provided proof of your other claims even thought you haven't is hilarious.

"Approving the wearing of the burka is a bit like approving masochism - if a woman is found with bruises all over her body but says this is fine because she is a masochist is it then acceptable to ignore another woman who has bruises all over her body because her husband beat her up? The second woman will probably tell you that she "fell downstairs" so should the assumption be that a woman who presents with all the signs of assault and battery should be treated as if she has been battered until it can definitely be shown that she permitted this assault voluntarily? There is another parallel in prostitution, a large minority of prostitutes are sex-slaves but a sizeable number are keen to earn money from prostitution of their own free will. Are we condoning sex slavery if we condone prostitution?

If the burka is an unwelcome imprisonment forced upon 30% of muslim women but welcomed by 30% how do we deal with this?

The willing wearing of the burka is more difficult to separate from the forced wearing of the burka than, say, separating willing prostitution from sex-slavery or masochism from battery. Given this problem the French are probably right to have banned it. The burka is not necessary dress for an Islamic woman and by approving it we are also approving bullying and coercion. If women who wear the burka were not self-righteous they would understand that relinquishing the burka is a small price to pay to save some of their sisters from suffering.

Those who frame the wearing of the burka as a feminist issue of the "right to choose" a mode of dress are in grave danger of colluding in the bullying of those who have no "right to choose" and are compelled to live in stifling darkness. Perhaps the greatest irony in the debate over the burka is that the rise in Islamic fundamentalism is a reaction to the rise of feminism in the West yet it is feminists who are the most vocal non-Islamic supporters of the burka. There was little appetite for Islamic extremism in the 1950s when women in the West were kept to the kitchen and family and forced to wear modest clothing and divorce was relatively rare. It is the reaction to the growth and spread of Western feminist culture over the past 40 years that has changed Islamic countries from places where even head-scarves were becoming rare to places where women are entombed in fabric. Extreme Islam is a reaction to feminism."

Political thoughts: Do Muslim women want to wear the Burka?

Thanks for the spam but what does that have to do with you outlawing the burka for your stated reason of

I would love to see the burka outlawed, though.

Why??

Because it's a symbol of the barbarity of Islam; because it's the primary outward symbol of their oppression of women. Because it can hide a lot of pain and suffering.

But mostly because I think if we outlawed the burka, the shitheels wouldn't be able to send women all over the world...they hide behind those women. Make it more difficult and they're a little more exposed.

And it's psychological. We can't outlaw the religion, but we can sure as shit bring pressure to bear when it comes to the practice of it.

Private empoyers can also put into place policies that tightens screws. No skull caps, no prayer.

Little things like that. It is exactly how the south and Mormons were brought to heel. So I guess the analogy of the South was apt to a degree.

Still waiting on you to explain how that isn't harassment as you try to inhibit their practice of their religion.

What are you afraid of??

 

[drsmith1072]

Sure do defend "bod" a lot .... just sayin'.

Well that is what the current argumnet is about isn't it?? These dishonest cowardly rightwing hacks have accused both bod and I of lying so I am posting what was ACTUALLY said as well as what these trolls are saying now which shows them to be dishonest and nothing they say will cahnge that FACT.

However, thanks for trolling in and offering your two cents.
Now if you could provide the relevant books and excerpts from both the bible and the quran and make your point by doing a head to head comparison that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

You do have a point don't you??

Didn't you start the whole "lying" thing? Didn't you take peoples' words out of context and attack them because you want to "trivialize the threat" from radical muslims? I have given you the book out of the Bible and the chapters out of the quran. You claimed that you wanted to read them yourself. Here is your chance. Come on, champ, you can do it!

Nanny, nanny, boo, boo

No I didn't but thanks for showing that you can't even follow the content of this thread even as you make statements about it. LOL

NO I never claimed I wanted to read them myself but thanks for LYING again. I cleary said that you should list them and make a head to head comparison in order to make your point but apparently that is too difficult for you to accomplish.

You post them side by side and make your comparison thus making yourt point and then we can debate your point IF you actually have one.

 

[AllieBaba]

When practicing your religion requires you to behave in a manner that intimidates others or affects their way of life, you don't get to practice it. So if you work in a place that has a dress code, you don't get to dress differently. You may work elsewhere. If your religious garb is a safety risk or being used to cover abuse, bye bye religious garb. If your prayers are interfering with traffic or service...guess what? You can quit and pray all day long.

That sort of thing isn't harassment.

Harassment is burning the American Flag and chanting "death to Americans". Harassment is beating up your wife and forcing your 14 year old daughter into a suffocating tent.

If only a few here and there are being *forced* to wear a burka, the women who want to wear it, but can't, should be okay with that if it protects others from abuse.

Often, it's older or dominant women in the family who force other family members into wearing it. Not very pleasant. And altogether illegal.

 

[AllieBaba]

I wonder if the people whining about eliminating the burka would whine if we were talking about KKK klansmen who wanted to wear their hoods whenever they went out in public.

 

[TheBrain]

Sheesh I can't keep the stupid threads straight:

The fact that you admit this even as you calim to have provided proof of your other claims even thought you haven't is hilarious.

"Approving the wearing of the burka is a bit like approving masochism - if a woman is found with bruises all over her body but says this is fine because she is a masochist is it then acceptable to ignore another woman who has bruises all over her body because her husband beat her up? The second woman will probably tell you that she "fell downstairs" so should the assumption be that a woman who presents with all the signs of assault and battery should be treated as if she has been battered until it can definitely be shown that she permitted this assault voluntarily? There is another parallel in prostitution, a large minority of prostitutes are sex-slaves but a sizeable number are keen to earn money from prostitution of their own free will. Are we condoning sex slavery if we condone prostitution?

If the burka is an unwelcome imprisonment forced upon 30% of muslim women but welcomed by 30% how do we deal with this?

The willing wearing of the burka is more difficult to separate from the forced wearing of the burka than, say, separating willing prostitution from sex-slavery or masochism from battery. Given this problem the French are probably right to have banned it. The burka is not necessary dress for an Islamic woman and by approving it we are also approving bullying and coercion. If women who wear the burka were not self-righteous they would understand that relinquishing the burka is a small price to pay to save some of their sisters from suffering.

Those who frame the wearing of the burka as a feminist issue of the "right to choose" a mode of dress are in grave danger of colluding in the bullying of those who have no "right to choose" and are compelled to live in stifling darkness. Perhaps the greatest irony in the debate over the burka is that the rise in Islamic fundamentalism is a reaction to the rise of feminism in the West yet it is feminists who are the most vocal non-Islamic supporters of the burka. There was little appetite for Islamic extremism in the 1950s when women in the West were kept to the kitchen and family and forced to wear modest clothing and divorce was relatively rare. It is the reaction to the growth and spread of Western feminist culture over the past 40 years that has changed Islamic countries from places where even head-scarves were becoming rare to places where women are entombed in fabric. Extreme Islam is a reaction to feminism."

Political thoughts: Do Muslim women want to wear the Burka?

Thanks for the spam but what does that have to do with you outlawing the burka for your stated reason of

Why??

Because it's a symbol of the barbarity of Islam; because it's the primary outward symbol of their oppression of women. Because it can hide a lot of pain and suffering.

But mostly because I think if we outlawed the burka, the shitheels wouldn't be able to send women all over the world...they hide behind those women. Make it more difficult and they're a little more exposed.

And it's psychological. We can't outlaw the religion, but we can sure as shit bring pressure to bear when it comes to the practice of it.

Private empoyers can also put into place policies that tightens screws. No skull caps, no prayer.

Little things like that. It is exactly how the south and Mormons were brought to heel. So I guess the analogy of the South was apt to a degree.

Still waiting on you to explain how that isn't harassment as you try to inhibit their practice of their religion.

What are you afraid of??

Burkas should be outlawed for the same reason it is illegal to yell "fire" in a theater or "bomb " in an airport. Public safety > "most" individual rights.

 

[TheBrain]

I wonder if the people whining about eliminating the burka would whine if we were talking about KKK klansmen who wanted to wear their hoods whenever they went out in public.

taking that a step further I wonder if they would scream in fauxrage if one of those klansmen got his ass handed to him for being stupid enough to wear his hood out in public.

 

[TheBrain]

This thread can be answered in one short sentence, but NO liberal has the balls to admit it.

They are at war with Christianity and see Islam as the enemy of my enemy is my friend. And Islam of course sees liberals the same way. The funniest part is that both parties have every intention of destroying each other if they can ever destroy their common enemy first.

It certainly isn't that they admire the ideals of Islam. Let's take Bode for example. She fights tooth and nail to defend a religeon which would see her stoned to death just for existing. There is absolutely NO WAY she doesn't know this is fact, yet when you have discussion with her (which I have just given up on trying with her, God bless to anyone who can tolerate her) , she curses Americans as bigots and hateful people all the while ignoring the atrocities that Islam would like to commit upon her person.


Of course not all liberals are like this, but MANY are. And my problem with the ones who don't are similar to my problem with those Muslims who profess to be moderate. Why don't you stand up and say "enough goddamit, you are perverting OUR message for your own purposes." If that is the case?

I NEVER expect them to admit it, nor do I care if they do.

 

[drsmith1072]

Ya' shouldn't have lied.......Otherwise, there would be no mention of you in the first place.

And, why in the fuck would anybody miss you?.......It's not like you ever debate or add anything of substance other than one line, snarky lil' mindless comments. And then twisting other posters words, and lying about the context.

Seriously, It truly is mind boggling as to why two hacks like you and DRlil'man even bother to post.

This is hilarious coming from a troll like you considering the FACT that you lied about what bod actually said so you could call bod a liar.

In other words your accusation against bod is based on your own LIE and therefore your accusation is FALSE.

Care to explain how you twisted bods words so you could attack bod by falsely accusing her of twisting allie's words??

You claimed that bod was quoting allie's exact words with statements like,



and



and yet here are bod's EXACT words.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/3487659-post875.html (want's burka outlawed to harass Muslims)

http://www.usmessageboard.com/3491228-post921.html (seems to think we do not have enough attacks)

So care to explain how bod is claiming or quoting those statements after the links are allie's exact words as you claimed??

I already have, several times, ya' weird lil' dumbass.

NO you did NOT. claiming that bod lied is not explaining how bod is claiming or quoting those statements after the links are allie's exact words.

YOU falsely claimed that bod was quoting allie's EXACT words and then demanded that bod provide proof of a claim that YOU made up.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/3487659-post875.html (want's burka outlawed to harass Muslims)

http://www.usmessageboard.com/3491228-post921.html (seems to think we do not have enough attacks)

How is putting something in parentheses quoting their exact words?? You have NEVER addressed your false claims and yet even now you still claim that bod was twisting allie's words and yet NOT one of you has addressed what has ACTUALLY been said which I have quoted numerous times.

YOU have been shown to be a LIAR and none of your continued dishonesty will change that FACT.

 

[Wicked Jester]

This is hilarious coming from a troll like you considering the FACT that you lied about what bod actually said so you could call bod a liar.

In other words your accusation against bod is based on your own LIE and therefore your accusation is FALSE.

Care to explain how you twisted bods words so you could attack bod by falsely accusing her of twisting allie's words??

You claimed that bod was quoting allie's exact words with statements like,



and



and yet here are bod's EXACT words.




So care to explain how bod is claiming or quoting those statements after the links are allie's exact words as you claimed??

I already have, several times, ya' weird lil' dumbass.

NO you did NOT. claiming that bod lied is not explaining how bod is claiming or quoting those statements after the links are allie's exact words.

YOU falsely claimed that bod was quoting allie's EXACT words and then demanded that bod provide proof of a claim that YOU made up.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/3487659-post875.html (want's burka outlawed to harass Muslims)

http://www.usmessageboard.com/3491228-post921.html (seems to think we do not have enough attacks)

How is putting something in parentheses quoting their exact words?? You have NEVER addressed your false claims and yet even now you still claim that bod was twisting allie's words and yet NOT one of you has addressed what has ACTUALLY been said which I have quoted numerous times.

YOU have been shown to be a LIAR and none of your continued dishonesty will change that FACT.

You truly are stupid. Stupid as it gets.

What don't you understand about Bodey's equally stupid ass putting her words in parentheses?......She quoted Allies words, and then put her own twist and lies as to what Allie actually said in parentheses.

Bodey claimed that Allie said she (wants burka's outlawed to harrass muslims). Allie never said those words. Nor did she anywhere imply that she wants to harrass muslims....Show me the exact words where Allie said that, or simply shut the fuck up

Bodey claimed that Allie said she (seems to think we don't have enough attacks). Allie never said those words. Nor did she anywhere imply that she does think that.....Show me the exact words where Allie actually said that. or simply shut the fuck up.

If you can't figure it out for yourself, you're an idiot.......Bodey took Allies words, twisted them, and then lied........It's as plain as day, ya' ignorant lil' weirdo.

Seriously, you are making yourself, and Bodey, look like complete fucking morons.

 

[bodecea]

This is hilarious coming from a troll like you considering the FACT that you lied about what bod actually said so you could call bod a liar.

In other words your accusation against bod is based on your own LIE and therefore your accusation is FALSE.

Care to explain how you twisted bods words so you could attack bod by falsely accusing her of twisting allie's words??

You claimed that bod was quoting allie's exact words with statements like,



and



and yet here are bod's EXACT words.




So care to explain how bod is claiming or quoting those statements after the links are allie's exact words as you claimed??

I already have, several times, ya' weird lil' dumbass.

NO you did NOT. claiming that bod lied is not explaining how bod is claiming or quoting those statements after the links are allie's exact words.

YOU falsely claimed that bod was quoting allie's EXACT words and then demanded that bod provide proof of a claim that YOU made up.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/3487659-post875.html (want's burka outlawed to harass Muslims)

http://www.usmessageboard.com/3491228-post921.html (seems to think we do not have enough attacks)

How is putting something in parentheses quoting their exact words?? You have NEVER addressed your false claims and yet even now you still claim that bod was twisting allie's words and yet NOT one of you has addressed what has ACTUALLY been said which I have quoted numerous times.

YOU have been shown to be a LIAR and none of your continued dishonesty will change that FACT.

They won't, you know.

 

[Steelplate]

This thread can be answered in one short sentence, but NO liberal has the balls to admit it.

They are at war with Christianity and see Islam as the enemy of my enemy is my friend. And Islam of course sees liberals the same way. The funniest part is that both parties have every intention of destroying each other if they can ever destroy their common enemy first.

It certainly isn't that they admire the ideals of Islam. Let's take Bode for example. She fights tooth and nail to defend a religeon which would see her stoned to death just for existing. There is absolutely NO WAY she doesn't know this is fact, yet when you have discussion with her (which I have just given up on trying with her, God bless to anyone who can tolerate her) , she curses Americans as bigots and hateful people all the while ignoring the atrocities that Islam would like to commit upon her person.


Of course not all liberals are like this, but MANY are. And my problem with the ones who don't are similar to my problem with those Muslims who profess to be moderate. Why don't you stand up and say "enough goddamit, you are perverting OUR message for your own purposes." If that is the case?

I NEVER expect them to admit it, nor do I care if they do.

First off... I know you think that they are at war with Christianity... and even their rhetoric suggests it. However, they are really at war with Imperialism. Not the traditional version where some country invades and takes over their shit... but the modern kind, where very wealthy people from the West come in and buy off their people in charge and then takes over their shit.

I know... Socialism Alert!!!. Fuck you, I don't care. the truth is the truth. If we would have left them the hell alone to begin with, all would be much different than it is now. The religious rhetoric is for their people. You have to give them a reason to strap a bomb onto themselves or fly a Fucking plane into a building.

 

[Wicked Jester]

I already have, several times, ya' weird lil' dumbass.

NO you did NOT. claiming that bod lied is not explaining how bod is claiming or quoting those statements after the links are allie's exact words.

YOU falsely claimed that bod was quoting allie's EXACT words and then demanded that bod provide proof of a claim that YOU made up.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/3487659-post875.html (want's burka outlawed to harass Muslims)

http://www.usmessageboard.com/3491228-post921.html (seems to think we do not have enough attacks)

How is putting something in parentheses quoting their exact words?? You have NEVER addressed your false claims and yet even now you still claim that bod was twisting allie's words and yet NOT one of you has addressed what has ACTUALLY been said which I have quoted numerous times.

YOU have been shown to be a LIAR and none of your continued dishonesty will change that FACT.

They won't, you know.

I just did, clown...Christ, you are one ignorant lil' fool to be sure.

Next time, don't fuckin' lie, and twist peoples words. You get caught everytime you try.

 

[bodecea]

NO you did NOT. claiming that bod lied is not explaining how bod is claiming or quoting those statements after the links are allie's exact words.

YOU falsely claimed that bod was quoting allie's EXACT words and then demanded that bod provide proof of a claim that YOU made up.



How is putting something in parentheses quoting their exact words?? You have NEVER addressed your false claims and yet even now you still claim that bod was twisting allie's words and yet NOT one of you has addressed what has ACTUALLY been said which I have quoted numerous times.

YOU have been shown to be a LIAR and none of your continued dishonesty will change that FACT.

They won't, you know.

I just did, clown...Christ, you are one ignorant lil' fool to be sure.

Next time, don't fuckin' lie, and twist peoples words. You get caught everytime you try.

You say you do...you all say you do....but you never really do it.

 

[TheBrain]

I already have, several times, ya' weird lil' dumbass.

NO you did NOT. claiming that bod lied is not explaining how bod is claiming or quoting those statements after the links are allie's exact words.

YOU falsely claimed that bod was quoting allie's EXACT words and then demanded that bod provide proof of a claim that YOU made up.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/3487659-post875.html (want's burka outlawed to harass Muslims)

http://www.usmessageboard.com/3491228-post921.html (seems to think we do not have enough attacks)

How is putting something in parentheses quoting their exact words?? You have NEVER addressed your false claims and yet even now you still claim that bod was twisting allie's words and yet NOT one of you has addressed what has ACTUALLY been said which I have quoted numerous times.

YOU have been shown to be a LIAR and none of your continued dishonesty will change that FACT.

You truly are stupid. Stupid as it gets.

What don't you understand about Bodey's equally stupid ass putting her words in parentheses?......She quoted Allies words, and then put her own twist and lies as to what Allie actually said in parentheses.

Bodey claimed that Allie said she (wants burka's outlawed to harrass muslims). Allie never said those words. Nor did she anywhere imply that she wants to harrass muslims....Show me the exact words where Allie said that, or simply shut the fuck up

Bodey claimed that Allie said she (seems to think we don't have enough attacks). Allie never said those words. Nor did she anywhere imply that she does think that.....Show me the exact words where Allie actually said that. or simply shut the fuck up.

If you can't figure it out for yourself, you're an idiot.......Bodey took Allies words, twisted them, and then lied........It's as plain as day, ya' ignorant lil' weirdo.

Seriously, you are making yourself, and Bodey, look like complete fucking morons.

As if Bode needs any fucking help looking like a moron.

or a liar.

 

[bodecea]

NO you did NOT. claiming that bod lied is not explaining how bod is claiming or quoting those statements after the links are allie's exact words.

YOU falsely claimed that bod was quoting allie's EXACT words and then demanded that bod provide proof of a claim that YOU made up.



How is putting something in parentheses quoting their exact words?? You have NEVER addressed your false claims and yet even now you still claim that bod was twisting allie's words and yet NOT one of you has addressed what has ACTUALLY been said which I have quoted numerous times.

YOU have been shown to be a LIAR and none of your continued dishonesty will change that FACT.

You truly are stupid. Stupid as it gets.

What don't you understand about Bodey's equally stupid ass putting her words in parentheses?......She quoted Allies words, and then put her own twist and lies as to what Allie actually said in parentheses.

Bodey claimed that Allie said she (wants burka's outlawed to harrass muslims). Allie never said those words. Nor did she anywhere imply that she wants to harrass muslims....Show me the exact words where Allie said that, or simply shut the fuck up

Bodey claimed that Allie said she (seems to think we don't have enough attacks). Allie never said those words. Nor did she anywhere imply that she does think that.....Show me the exact words where Allie actually said that. or simply shut the fuck up.

If you can't figure it out for yourself, you're an idiot.......Bodey took Allies words, twisted them, and then lied........It's as plain as day, ya' ignorant lil' weirdo.

Seriously, you are making yourself, and Bodey, look like complete fucking morons.

As if Bode needs any fucking help looking like a moron.

or a liar.

Thank you for trying to make this about me....again. Sure beats actually having to have an intelligent point to make, doesn't it?

 

[Uncensored2008]

You say you do...you all say you do....but you never really do it.

You lied, you got caught.

It happens all the time.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Thank you for trying to make this about me....again. Sure beats actually having to have an intelligent point to make, doesn't it?

I would say "Be honest bod, your whole purpose here was to derail the thread and distract from the criticism of Islam and the appeasement policies of the shameful democrats," but you aren't honest. It isn't in your nature to be honest. You are a dishonest person in general, that is very clear.

 

[bodecea]

Thank you for trying to make this about me....again. Sure beats actually having to have an intelligent point to make, doesn't it?

I would say "Be honest bod, your whole purpose here was to derail the thread and distract from the criticism of Islam and the appeasement policies of the shameful democrats," but you aren't honest. It isn't in your nature to be honest. You are a dishonest person in general, that is very clear.

The taking out of OBL is such trivializing of Radical Islam, isn't it....? Pretty much says it all how this Democratic Administration just trivializes the heck out of those Radical Islamic terrorists.

 

[TheBrain]

Thank you for trying to make this about me....again. Sure beats actually having to have an intelligent point to make, doesn't it?

I would say "Be honest bod, your whole purpose here was to derail the thread and distract from the criticism of Islam and the appeasement policies of the shameful democrats," but you aren't honest. It isn't in your nature to be honest. You are a dishonest person in general, that is very clear.

She just once again proved her dishonesty. This thread turned into a thread about her lies at least 3 pages before I made a single comment, yet she just tried to claim that I am the one who attempted to make it a thread about her lies.

I wonder if she's ever considered the possibility that if she didn't lie in threads, that threads wouldn't turn into discussions about her lies.