Why do people hate Liberals?

[Pogo]

We've defined it ad nauseum, Pogo. So I won't bother again. But here's a start for you:

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Modern liberalism in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wrong page Foxy. The definition of the topic here, from the same site, is here.

Again that is, if we want a finite and specific definition. If OTOH what we want is a vague wispy idea of "them"ness, well have fun in the echo chamber because that's all it is.

I gave you the proper link. And I won't comment further on it out of respect for the integrity of the thread and because of my experience that I can give you a dozen authorities who will concur that modern American social liberalism bears no resemblance to classical liberalism, and you have refused to even read the commentaries, much less acknowledge them. And I really try to resist in engaging in exercises of futility. .

I figure, if the thread meant "social liberalism" it would have said that. And again, the fact that a few leftists may call themselves Liberals when it suits a purpose doesn't make them poster children, any more than David Duke calling himself conservative does.

As I've said before I am a linguistic archconservative. I don't cotton to you "liberal" dictionaristas

We can re-agree to disagree; all I know is I'm the one with the working definition.

And let's toss this in: it occurs to me that "liberalism", however we define it, is secondary in the question of this thread. The primary question is "why do people hate?".
That's a legitimate query, it's what brought me here originally, and to the best of my knowledge hasn't been touched.

In that sense the question posed by the thread really isn't about liberalism or about political philosophies. It's about the tenor of discourse in general, on this board and in the greater public. Just a scan back of the last few pages in this thread alone gives these adjectives attributed to alleged "liberals":

"arrogant", "spew lie after lie", "gullible", "blame everyone else", "ends justify the means", "know it all freeloaders" and of course "libtards". Perhaps Brownie summed it up in a convenient bite-size morsel: "Liberalism is all about being stupid, ignorant, lazy, and good for nothing anchors on society. The only work a liberal does is steal from people and whine and complain about their shitty little lives". -- and that's just this thread; we could fill the page with the vitriol from countless other threads.

What do we notice about all of these terms? Not just that they're blanket statements, that's fallacious enough, but that they're all personal traits and none are political. This isn't political analysis. It's demonization pure and simple. It's the Eliminationist mindset that seeks not to understand but to destroy. And the question of this thread as originally laid out was why this dynamic is.

 

[Wyld Kard]

Another reason that I hate liberals is that they tend to play the "race card" alot.

 

[Hoffstra]

In my experience, the people who hate Liberals love their Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, 40 hour work week, clean air, clean water, public transportation, clean streets, fixed up highways & bridges, child labor laws, public schools, meat inspected, vegetables & fruit inspected, etc etc..

which means they hate Liberals but love what Liberals have accompished.

game...set...match.

 

[Wyld Kard]

25 Reasons To Dislike Liberals
John Hawkins | May 11, 2013

Is every liberal an immoral, nasty tempered, habitual liar who accuses people of racism for fun and trashes his own country because he thinks it makes him look sophisticated? Of course, not! On the other hand, is that a fairly accurate description of most liberals in politics? Yes, it is. Most of them aren't evil per se, but as Margaret Thatcher said,

"Left-wing zealots have often been prepared to ride roughshod over due process and basic considerations of fairness when they think they can get away with it. For them the ends always seems to justify the means. That is precisely how their predecessors came to create the gulag."

Liberals view themselves as good people because they're liberals. People who are outside of that ugly little bit of circular reasoning don't have such a benign view of their horrible behavior. So, what reason could you have to dislike liberals?

1) Only liberals would be cruel enough to pick on kids running lemonade stands with a permit, children putting on Christmas plays at school and the Boy Scouts.

2) Because the closest thing to Sodom and Gomorrah in the modern world is San Francisco and Berkeley.

3) Whether you're talking about cop killers, terrorists, radical Islamists or dictators, all you have to do is say, "I hate America," and liberals start to sympathize with you.

4) Liberals are actually bothered by people who do love America. On the rare occasion when you do see a liberal waving a flag, look for a camera.

5) The same people who voted Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama into office think they're smarter than tradition, the Founding Fathers and God Himself.

6) Liberals might not want to admit it, but the world would have been a better place if Mary Jo Kopechne had crawled up out of that car instead of Ted Kennedy.

7) Only an ass could like Bill Maher, Alan Grayson or Sheila Jackson Lee.

8) Liberals believe in taking money from people who earn it, handing it out as bribes in order to get more power and then using that power to hurt the people that are giving them money.

9) The same liberal who'll laugh at a rape joke about Sarah Palin and then attack Michele Bachmann's family will then turn around and accuse someone else of being sexist for respectfully noting that a woman is attractive.

10) Liberals view hooking people on welfare and food stamps as a core part of their election strategy, which is terrible for the country, shows they have no character and requires more than a little hatred for poor people.

11) The dumbest, most close-minded and mean spirited people in all of politics are inevitably liberals who are convinced they're brilliant, open-minded and compassionate because they call themselves liberals.

12) A policy that makes liberals feel superior and caring that doesn't work and wastes billions is considered a smashing success because they genuinely DON'T CARE WHETHER THEIR POLICIES ACTUALLY HELP PEOPLE OR NOT.

13) The same liberal who pretends to be angry about Susan Smith or Casey Anthony will then turn around and give the thumbs up to women who do the same thing to their children via abortion.

14) There's a reason why the average homeschooled kid gets a better education than he would in a public school run by liberals. It's because the kid's parents are interested in educating him while his liberal teachers view public schools as just another way to indoctrinate children.

15) Noam Chomsky is an America-hating creep and to think of him as some kind of genius, you have to both despise our country enough to suspend your disbelief and be largely ignorant of world history.

16) Anyone whose first reaction after a terrorist attack is, "Why do they hate us?" is just an intolerable douche.

17) Liberals talk up Hillary Clinton as the most prominent and important female politician in America; yet her entire political career is based on the fact that she married Bill Clinton. That's actually kind of pathetic.

18) Liberals have been big supporters of slavery, Indian massacres, the KKK, eugenics, fascism, communism and Jim Crow laws. Then, down the road, after liberals finally join everyone else, they try to claim that conservatives still support all the practices that we fought liberals on from the beginning.

19) Liberals think black Americans are inferior to whites, which is why the worst, most crime-ridden places to live in America are inevitably run by liberals. That's acceptable to liberals because they don't think black Americans deserve any better.

20) A liberal is more likely to support a man who murders a cop like Mumia Abu Jamal than cops who want to regularly patrol a bad neighborhood in force to keep the criminals from terrorizing the innocent people who live there.

21) The average middle aged Tea Partier who's going to rallies, talking about the Constitution and calling for reduced spending cares more about "the children" than 99% of the liberals out there who demand that we support one stupid program after the other "for the children."

22) You have to be a horrible human being to be okay with terrorists like Bill Ayers teaching kids at a college.

23) Because liberals are unable to ever admit they're wrong, they systematically ruin and destroy everything they become involved with and then either point the finger elsewhere or demand even more government involvement to fix the problems they created.

24) Detroit – and, yes, liberals did that.

25) Even "liberal Christians" are generally supportive of other liberals who attack Christianity, which is why "liberal Christians" is in quotes.


25 Reasons To Dislike Liberals - John Hawkins - Page full

 

[Hoffstra]

next time you meet someone who hates Liberals, ask them if they plan on giving back to the govt. every dollar of Social Security they didn't personally put into it + interest.

cause yeah, we get back from SS much more than we put in + interest.

 

[dblack]

next time you meet someone who hates Liberals, ask them if they plan on giving back to the govt. every dollar of Social Security they didn't personally put into it + interest.

cause yeah, we get back from SS much more than we put in + interest.

Some do. Some don't. I suspect most conservatives and liberals would agree to opt out, if that's what you're suggesting.

 

[American_Jihad]

next time you meet someone who hates Liberals, ask them if they plan on giving back to the govt. every dollar of Social Security they didn't personally put into it + interest.

cause yeah, we get back from SS much more than we put in + interest.

That's the problem...

The Future Financial Status of the Social Security Program


...

 

[Pogo]

25 Reasons To Dislike Liberals
John Hawkins | May 11, 2013

Is every liberal an immoral, nasty tempered, habitual liar who accuses people of racism for fun and trashes his own country because he thinks it makes him look sophisticated? Of course, not! On the other hand, is that a fairly accurate description of most liberals in politics? Yes, it is. Most of them aren't evil per se, but as Margaret Thatcher said,

"Left-wing zealots have often been prepared to ride roughshod over due process and basic considerations of fairness when they think they can get away with it. For them the ends always seems to justify the means. That is precisely how their predecessors came to create the gulag."

Liberals view themselves as good people because they're liberals. People who are outside of that ugly little bit of circular reasoning don't have such a benign view of their horrible behavior. So, what reason could you have to dislike liberals?

1) Only liberals would be cruel enough to pick on kids running lemonade stands with a permit, children putting on Christmas plays at school and the Boy Scouts.

2) Because the closest thing to Sodom and Gomorrah in the modern world is San Francisco and Berkeley.

3) Whether you're talking about cop killers, terrorists, radical Islamists or dictators, all you have to do is say, "I hate America," and liberals start to sympathize with you.

4) Liberals are actually bothered by people who do love America. On the rare occasion when you do see a liberal waving a flag, look for a camera.

5) The same people who voted Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama into office think they're smarter than tradition, the Founding Fathers and God Himself.

6) Liberals might not want to admit it, but the world would have been a better place if Mary Jo Kopechne had crawled up out of that car instead of Ted Kennedy.

7) Only an ass could like Bill Maher, Alan Grayson or Sheila Jackson Lee.

8) Liberals believe in taking money from people who earn it, handing it out as bribes in order to get more power and then using that power to hurt the people that are giving them money.

9) The same liberal who'll laugh at a rape joke about Sarah Palin and then attack Michele Bachmann's family will then turn around and accuse someone else of being sexist for respectfully noting that a woman is attractive.

10) Liberals view hooking people on welfare and food stamps as a core part of their election strategy, which is terrible for the country, shows they have no character and requires more than a little hatred for poor people.

11) The dumbest, most close-minded and mean spirited people in all of politics are inevitably liberals who are convinced they're brilliant, open-minded and compassionate because they call themselves liberals.

12) A policy that makes liberals feel superior and caring that doesn't work and wastes billions is considered a smashing success because they genuinely DON'T CARE WHETHER THEIR POLICIES ACTUALLY HELP PEOPLE OR NOT.

13) The same liberal who pretends to be angry about Susan Smith or Casey Anthony will then turn around and give the thumbs up to women who do the same thing to their children via abortion.

14) There's a reason why the average homeschooled kid gets a better education than he would in a public school run by liberals. It's because the kid's parents are interested in educating him while his liberal teachers view public schools as just another way to indoctrinate children.

15) Noam Chomsky is an America-hating creep and to think of him as some kind of genius, you have to both despise our country enough to suspend your disbelief and be largely ignorant of world history.

16) Anyone whose first reaction after a terrorist attack is, "Why do they hate us?" is just an intolerable douche.

17) Liberals talk up Hillary Clinton as the most prominent and important female politician in America; yet her entire political career is based on the fact that she married Bill Clinton. That's actually kind of pathetic.

18) Liberals have been big supporters of slavery, Indian massacres, the KKK, eugenics, fascism, communism and Jim Crow laws. Then, down the road, after liberals finally join everyone else, they try to claim that conservatives still support all the practices that we fought liberals on from the beginning.

19) Liberals think black Americans are inferior to whites, which is why the worst, most crime-ridden places to live in America are inevitably run by liberals. That's acceptable to liberals because they don't think black Americans deserve any better.

20) A liberal is more likely to support a man who murders a cop like Mumia Abu Jamal than cops who want to regularly patrol a bad neighborhood in force to keep the criminals from terrorizing the innocent people who live there.

21) The average middle aged Tea Partier who's going to rallies, talking about the Constitution and calling for reduced spending cares more about "the children" than 99% of the liberals out there who demand that we support one stupid program after the other "for the children."

22) You have to be a horrible human being to be okay with terrorists like Bill Ayers teaching kids at a college.

23) Because liberals are unable to ever admit they're wrong, they systematically ruin and destroy everything they become involved with and then either point the finger elsewhere or demand even more government involvement to fix the problems they created.

24) Detroit – and, yes, liberals did that.

25) Even "liberal Christians" are generally supportive of other liberals who attack Christianity, which is why "liberal Christians" is in quotes.


25 Reasons To Dislike Liberals - John Hawkins - Page full

Thanks for profusely illustrating post 2643.

 

[Bfgrn]

25 Reasons To Dislike Liberals
John Hawkins | May 11, 2013

Is every liberal an immoral, nasty tempered, habitual liar who accuses people of racism for fun and trashes his own country because he thinks it makes him look sophisticated? Of course, not! On the other hand, is that a fairly accurate description of most liberals in politics? Yes, it is. Most of them aren't evil per se, but as Margaret Thatcher said,

"Left-wing zealots have often been prepared to ride roughshod over due process and basic considerations of fairness when they think they can get away with it. For them the ends always seems to justify the means. That is precisely how their predecessors came to create the gulag."

Liberals view themselves as good people because they're liberals. People who are outside of that ugly little bit of circular reasoning don't have such a benign view of their horrible behavior. So, what reason could you have to dislike liberals?

1) Only liberals would be cruel enough to pick on kids running lemonade stands with a permit, children putting on Christmas plays at school and the Boy Scouts.

2) Because the closest thing to Sodom and Gomorrah in the modern world is San Francisco and Berkeley.

3) Whether you're talking about cop killers, terrorists, radical Islamists or dictators, all you have to do is say, "I hate America," and liberals start to sympathize with you.

4) Liberals are actually bothered by people who do love America. On the rare occasion when you do see a liberal waving a flag, look for a camera.

5) The same people who voted Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama into office think they're smarter than tradition, the Founding Fathers and God Himself.

6) Liberals might not want to admit it, but the world would have been a better place if Mary Jo Kopechne had crawled up out of that car instead of Ted Kennedy.

7) Only an ass could like Bill Maher, Alan Grayson or Sheila Jackson Lee.

8) Liberals believe in taking money from people who earn it, handing it out as bribes in order to get more power and then using that power to hurt the people that are giving them money.

9) The same liberal who'll laugh at a rape joke about Sarah Palin and then attack Michele Bachmann's family will then turn around and accuse someone else of being sexist for respectfully noting that a woman is attractive.

10) Liberals view hooking people on welfare and food stamps as a core part of their election strategy, which is terrible for the country, shows they have no character and requires more than a little hatred for poor people.

11) The dumbest, most close-minded and mean spirited people in all of politics are inevitably liberals who are convinced they're brilliant, open-minded and compassionate because they call themselves liberals.

12) A policy that makes liberals feel superior and caring that doesn't work and wastes billions is considered a smashing success because they genuinely DON'T CARE WHETHER THEIR POLICIES ACTUALLY HELP PEOPLE OR NOT.

13) The same liberal who pretends to be angry about Susan Smith or Casey Anthony will then turn around and give the thumbs up to women who do the same thing to their children via abortion.

14) There's a reason why the average homeschooled kid gets a better education than he would in a public school run by liberals. It's because the kid's parents are interested in educating him while his liberal teachers view public schools as just another way to indoctrinate children.

15) Noam Chomsky is an America-hating creep and to think of him as some kind of genius, you have to both despise our country enough to suspend your disbelief and be largely ignorant of world history.

16) Anyone whose first reaction after a terrorist attack is, "Why do they hate us?" is just an intolerable douche.

17) Liberals talk up Hillary Clinton as the most prominent and important female politician in America; yet her entire political career is based on the fact that she married Bill Clinton. That's actually kind of pathetic.

18) Liberals have been big supporters of slavery, Indian massacres, the KKK, eugenics, fascism, communism and Jim Crow laws. Then, down the road, after liberals finally join everyone else, they try to claim that conservatives still support all the practices that we fought liberals on from the beginning.

19) Liberals think black Americans are inferior to whites, which is why the worst, most crime-ridden places to live in America are inevitably run by liberals. That's acceptable to liberals because they don't think black Americans deserve any better.

20) A liberal is more likely to support a man who murders a cop like Mumia Abu Jamal than cops who want to regularly patrol a bad neighborhood in force to keep the criminals from terrorizing the innocent people who live there.

21) The average middle aged Tea Partier who's going to rallies, talking about the Constitution and calling for reduced spending cares more about "the children" than 99% of the liberals out there who demand that we support one stupid program after the other "for the children."

22) You have to be a horrible human being to be okay with terrorists like Bill Ayers teaching kids at a college.

23) Because liberals are unable to ever admit they're wrong, they systematically ruin and destroy everything they become involved with and then either point the finger elsewhere or demand even more government involvement to fix the problems they created.

24) Detroit – and, yes, liberals did that.

25) Even "liberal Christians" are generally supportive of other liberals who attack Christianity, which is why "liberal Christians" is in quotes.


25 Reasons To Dislike Liberals - John Hawkins - Page full

Pure hate disguised as knowledge. It is really sad that you right wingers believe this shit.

The history of conservatism is an abyss with ZERO accomplishments. Name ONE thing conservatives have ever done for anyone other than the hierarchy they worship? It is crucial to conservatism that the people must literally love the order that dominates them.

Liberalism is trust of the people, tempered by prudence; conservatism, distrust of people, tempered by fear.
William E. Gladstone (1809 – 1898)

 

[Wolfsister77]

Pure hate disguised as knowledge. It is really sad that you right wingers believe this shit.

The history of conservatism is an abyss with ZERO accomplishments. Name ONE thing conservatives have ever done for anyone other than the hierarchy they worship? It is crucial to conservatism that the people must literally love the order that dominates them.

Liberalism is trust of the people, tempered by prudence; conservatism, distrust of people, tempered by fear.
William E. Gladstone (1809 – 1898)

What I see in that list is nothing but a bunch of nasty personal attacks and a bunch of lies that show more about the person using it for anything at all, then it does about Liberals.

 

[Immanuel]

Pure hate disguised as knowledge. It is really sad that you right wingers believe this shit.

The history of conservatism is an abyss with ZERO accomplishments. Name ONE thing conservatives have ever done for anyone other than the hierarchy they worship? It is crucial to conservatism that the people must literally love the order that dominates them.

Liberalism is trust of the people, tempered by prudence; conservatism, distrust of people, tempered by fear.
William E. Gladstone (1809 – 1898)

What I see in that list is nothing but a bunch of nasty personal attacks and a bunch of lies that show more about the person using it for anything at all, then it does about Liberals.

The idea that bfgrn bitches about someone else's hate is absolutely hilarious and hypocritical.

Immie

 

[Foxfyre]

Pure hate disguised as knowledge. It is really sad that you right wingers believe this shit.

The history of conservatism is an abyss with ZERO accomplishments. Name ONE thing conservatives have ever done for anyone other than the hierarchy they worship? It is crucial to conservatism that the people must literally love the order that dominates them.

Liberalism is trust of the people, tempered by prudence; conservatism, distrust of people, tempered by fear.
William E. Gladstone (1809 – 1898)

What I see in that list is nothing but a bunch of nasty personal attacks and a bunch of lies that show more about the person using it for anything at all, then it does about Liberals.

The idea that bfgrn bitches about someone else's hate is absolutely hilarious and hypocritical.

Immie

LOL, I was just thinking the same thing. Actually neither side of the ideological spectrum does their group good service with insults and flaming rhetoric. Or by rewriting history or by denying the shortcomings of those people or philosophies that we admire.

Overall, liberalism, as it is usually defined in modern day America, has proved to be a failed system and to have produced more negatives than positives everywhere it has been tried. But to say that some good policy has never been produced in a 'liberal' administration is intellectually dishonest.

Conservatism, as it is usually defined in modern day America and as it was practiced by our Founding Fathers, has much more to commend it. But because policy and flawed objectives have been included in administrations we generally deem 'conservative', the liberals point to that and refuse to acknowledge any positives. And that too is intellectually dishonest.

I wonder if I will live long enough to find a group of people who can focus on concepts instead of personalities, and who can discuss principles instead of throwing insults at those with whom they disagree?

 

[RKMBrown]

next time you meet someone who hates Liberals, ask them if they plan on giving back to the govt. every dollar of Social Security they didn't personally put into it + interest.

cause yeah, we get back from SS much more than we put in + interest.

What's this we shit? You pull that out of your ass?

I don't know anyone other than people who don't work that will get more out than they put in.

It is designed to screw the people in the middle class income bracket the most for the benefit of the low income bracket.

 

[HUGGY]

Why do people hate Liberals?

Are mouth breathers really people?

 

[Wyld Kard]

25 Reasons To Dislike Liberals
John Hawkins | May 11, 2013

Is every liberal an immoral, nasty tempered, habitual liar who accuses people of racism for fun and trashes his own country because he thinks it makes him look sophisticated? Of course, not! On the other hand, is that a fairly accurate description of most liberals in politics? Yes, it is. Most of them aren't evil per se, but as Margaret Thatcher said,

"Left-wing zealots have often been prepared to ride roughshod over due process and basic considerations of fairness when they think they can get away with it. For them the ends always seems to justify the means. That is precisely how their predecessors came to create the gulag."

Liberals view themselves as good people because they're liberals. People who are outside of that ugly little bit of circular reasoning don't have such a benign view of their horrible behavior. So, what reason could you have to dislike liberals?

1) Only liberals would be cruel enough to pick on kids running lemonade stands with a permit, children putting on Christmas plays at school and the Boy Scouts.

2) Because the closest thing to Sodom and Gomorrah in the modern world is San Francisco and Berkeley.

3) Whether you're talking about cop killers, terrorists, radical Islamists or dictators, all you have to do is say, "I hate America," and liberals start to sympathize with you.

4) Liberals are actually bothered by people who do love America. On the rare occasion when you do see a liberal waving a flag, look for a camera.

5) The same people who voted Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama into office think they're smarter than tradition, the Founding Fathers and God Himself.

6) Liberals might not want to admit it, but the world would have been a better place if Mary Jo Kopechne had crawled up out of that car instead of Ted Kennedy.

7) Only an ass could like Bill Maher, Alan Grayson or Sheila Jackson Lee.

8) Liberals believe in taking money from people who earn it, handing it out as bribes in order to get more power and then using that power to hurt the people that are giving them money.

9) The same liberal who'll laugh at a rape joke about Sarah Palin and then attack Michele Bachmann's family will then turn around and accuse someone else of being sexist for respectfully noting that a woman is attractive.

10) Liberals view hooking people on welfare and food stamps as a core part of their election strategy, which is terrible for the country, shows they have no character and requires more than a little hatred for poor people.

11) The dumbest, most close-minded and mean spirited people in all of politics are inevitably liberals who are convinced they're brilliant, open-minded and compassionate because they call themselves liberals.

12) A policy that makes liberals feel superior and caring that doesn't work and wastes billions is considered a smashing success because they genuinely DON'T CARE WHETHER THEIR POLICIES ACTUALLY HELP PEOPLE OR NOT.

13) The same liberal who pretends to be angry about Susan Smith or Casey Anthony will then turn around and give the thumbs up to women who do the same thing to their children via abortion.

14) There's a reason why the average homeschooled kid gets a better education than he would in a public school run by liberals. It's because the kid's parents are interested in educating him while his liberal teachers view public schools as just another way to indoctrinate children.

15) Noam Chomsky is an America-hating creep and to think of him as some kind of genius, you have to both despise our country enough to suspend your disbelief and be largely ignorant of world history.

16) Anyone whose first reaction after a terrorist attack is, "Why do they hate us?" is just an intolerable douche.

17) Liberals talk up Hillary Clinton as the most prominent and important female politician in America; yet her entire political career is based on the fact that she married Bill Clinton. That's actually kind of pathetic.

18) Liberals have been big supporters of slavery, Indian massacres, the KKK, eugenics, fascism, communism and Jim Crow laws. Then, down the road, after liberals finally join everyone else, they try to claim that conservatives still support all the practices that we fought liberals on from the beginning.

19) Liberals think black Americans are inferior to whites, which is why the worst, most crime-ridden places to live in America are inevitably run by liberals. That's acceptable to liberals because they don't think black Americans deserve any better.

20) A liberal is more likely to support a man who murders a cop like Mumia Abu Jamal than cops who want to regularly patrol a bad neighborhood in force to keep the criminals from terrorizing the innocent people who live there.

21) The average middle aged Tea Partier who's going to rallies, talking about the Constitution and calling for reduced spending cares more about "the children" than 99% of the liberals out there who demand that we support one stupid program after the other "for the children."

22) You have to be a horrible human being to be okay with terrorists like Bill Ayers teaching kids at a college.

23) Because liberals are unable to ever admit they're wrong, they systematically ruin and destroy everything they become involved with and then either point the finger elsewhere or demand even more government involvement to fix the problems they created.

24) Detroit – and, yes, liberals did that.

25) Even "liberal Christians" are generally supportive of other liberals who attack Christianity, which is why "liberal Christians" is in quotes.


25 Reasons To Dislike Liberals - John Hawkins - Page full

Pure hate disguised as knowledge. It is really sad that you right wingers believe this shit.

The history of conservatism is an abyss with ZERO accomplishments. Name ONE thing conservatives have ever done for anyone other than the hierarchy they worship? It is crucial to conservatism that the people must literally love the order that dominates them.

Liberalism is trust of the people, tempered by prudence; conservatism, distrust of people, tempered by fear.
William E. Gladstone (1809 – 1898)

The history of conservatism is an abyss with ZERO accomplishments. Name ONE thing conservatives have ever done for anyone

Really?

Let me ask you something. Do you enjoy road trips? Do you like traveling by highway because you can get from point A to point B much quicker, right? Truck drivers can get merchandise to stores much quicker while traveling the highway road system, right?

If you answered "yes", to any of the questions, then who the hell do you think is responsible for those roads that you drive on? It sure the hell wasn't the liberals. It's was the conservatives! The conservatives helped to strenghten the American infrastructure, by improving the road system.

You are wrong, so deal with it.

Liberalism is trust of the people

Really? I don't trust them.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are offended to discover that there are other views.
William F. Buckley, Jr. (1925-2008)

 

[American_Jihad]

When Liberals Preach Fairness, Hold On To Your Wallet

David Brunori
10/17/13

In a few weeks, voters in Colorado will have a chance to reform one of the most significant tax limitations ever enacted. Amendment 66, designed to raise nearly a billion dollars a year for education, would end the state’s flat income tax structure. It would mandate a progressive income tax – higher rates on the rich – and use the extra money for the children. In other words, it is a chance to take money from the Scrooge-like robber barons and give it to the poor, angelic urchins living in the squalor of the streets. That’s how it’s being sold, at least.

...

Just who will be treated more fairly if the measure passes? Not the working poor – that’s for sure. The amendment would raise taxes not only on the rich, but on everyone. The current flat rate of 4.63 percent will go up for all people. It would rise to 5 percent if you make up to $75,000 and 5.9 percent if you make more than that. Yes, poor workers will pay more than they do now!

The only winners are the teachers’ unions and friends of politicians who sell stuff to school districts. I’m not sure how raising the tax burden on someone who earns $30,000 a year can ever be characterized as fair. What’s fair about asking the auto mechanic or waitress to pay more so that the governor’s supporters are enriched?

...

Sure, the rich will pay more (and relatively much more). But supporters of the measure are asking the working poor to pay as well. There is nothing fair or just or noble about that. And Coloradans have rejected similar proposals. Indeed, in 2011 voters overwhelmingly rejected Proposition 103, which would have raised $3 billion for the schools. The working stiffs in Colorado can only hope for a repeat.

When Liberals Preach Fairness, Hold On To Your Wallet - Forbes

 

[Bfgrn]

Pure hate disguised as knowledge. It is really sad that you right wingers believe this shit.

The history of conservatism is an abyss with ZERO accomplishments. Name ONE thing conservatives have ever done for anyone other than the hierarchy they worship? It is crucial to conservatism that the people must literally love the order that dominates them.

Liberalism is trust of the people, tempered by prudence; conservatism, distrust of people, tempered by fear.
William E. Gladstone (1809 – 1898)

What I see in that list is nothing but a bunch of nasty personal attacks and a bunch of lies that show more about the person using it for anything at all, then it does about Liberals.

The idea that bfgrn bitches about someone else's hate is absolutely hilarious and hypocritical.

Immie

The word 'hate' only appears in your post, not mine Immie.

The history of mankind has been a struggle between those who want to increase freedom, opportunity and rights to all people and those who want to restrict them. The people who have always fought to increase freedom, opportunity and rights are liberals. The people who have fought to restrict them are conservatives.

And to address Foxfyre's ad nauseam false claim that somehow conservatives are really liberals...

Classical liberals assume a natural equality of humans; conservatives assume a natural hierarchy.
James M. Buchanan

 

[westwall]

What I see in that list is nothing but a bunch of nasty personal attacks and a bunch of lies that show more about the person using it for anything at all, then it does about Liberals.

The idea that bfgrn bitches about someone else's hate is absolutely hilarious and hypocritical.

Immie

The word 'hate' only appears in your post, not mine Immie.

The history of mankind has been a struggle between those who want to increase freedom, opportunity and rights to all people and those who want to restrict them. The people who have always fought to increase freedom, opportunity and rights are liberals. The people who have fought to restrict them are conservatives.

And to address Foxfyre's ad nauseam false claim that somehow conservatives are really liberals...

Classical liberals assume a natural equality of humans; conservatives assume a natural hierarchy.
James M. Buchanan

The problem with you and yours is you aren't really "liberal". You're "progressives" which is terrible. Liberals are good people who are interested in fairness for all. They sometimes let emotion take over for common sense but in the whole their goals are laudable.

You clowns on the other hand, there is nothing good about progressives.

"Progressives generally greeted the 1917 Bolshevik revolution in Russia with great enthusiasm, embracing it as a worthy effort to create a socialist utopia. In the 1920s and 1930s, a host of credulous progressive journalists traveled to Russia to chronicle the the revolution's afterglow, so as to inform Americans about the historic significance of what was transpiring there. According to author Jonah Goldberg: “Most liberals saw the Bolsheviks as a popular and progressive movement.... Nearly the entire liberal elite, including much of FDR's Brain Trust, made the pilgrimage to Moscow to take admiring notes on the Soviet experiment.”

"Just as progressives were generally enthusiastic about socialist movements in the Soviet Union and Europe, they were also overwhelmingly supportive of the fascist movements in Italy and Germany during the 1920s and 1930s. “In many respects,” writes journalist Jonah Goldberg, “the founding fathers of modern liberalism, the men and women who laid the intellectual groundwork of the New Deal and the welfare state, thought that fascism sounded like ... a worthwhile 'experiment'”:

•H. G. Wells, one of the most influential progressives of the 20th century, said in 1932 that progressives must become “liberal fascists” and “enlightened Nazis.” Regarding totalitarianism, he stated: “I have never been able to escape altogether from its relentless logic.” Calling for a “‘Phoenix Rebirth’ of Liberalism” under the umbrella of “Liberal Fascism,” Wells said: “I am asking for a Liberal Fascisti, for enlightened Nazis.”
•The poet Wallace Stevens pronounced himself “pro-Mussolini personally.”
•The eminent historian Charles Beard wrote of Mussolini’s efforts: “Beyond question, an amazing experiment is being made [in Italy], an experiment in reconciling individualism and socialism.”
•Muckraking journalists almost universally admired Mussolini. Lincoln Steffens, for one, said that Italian fascism made Western democracy, by comparison, look like a system run by “petty persons with petty purposes.” Mussolini, Steffens proclaimed reverently, had been “formed” by God “out of the rib of Italy.”
•McClure’s Magazine founder Samuel McClure, an important figure in the muckraking movement, described Italian fascism as “a great step forward and the first new ideal in government since the founding of the American Republic.”
•After having vistited Italy and interviewed Mussolini in 1926, the American humorist Will Rogers, who was informally dubbed “Ambassador-at-Large of the United States” by the National Press Club, said of the fascist dictator: “I’m pretty high on that bird.” “Dictator form of government is the greatest form of government,” Rogers wrote, “that is, if you have the right dictator.”
•Reporter Ida Tarbell was deeply impressed by Mussolini's attitudes regarding labor, affectionately dubbing him “a despot with a dimple.”
•NAACP co-founder W. E. B. DuBois saw National Socialism as a worthy model for economic organization. The establishment of the Nazi dictatorship in Germany, he wrote, had been “absolutely necessary to get the state in order.” In 1937 DuBois stated: “there is today, in some respects, more democracy in Germany than there has been in years past.”
•FDR adviser Rexford Guy Tugwell said of Italian fascism: “It's the cleanest, neatest, most efficiently operating piece of social machinery I've ever seen. It makes me envious.”
•New Republic editor George Soule, who avidly supported FDR, noted approvingly that the Roosevelt administration was “trying out the economics of fascism.”
•Playwright George Bernard Shaw hailed Stalin, Hitler, and Mussolini as the world’s great “progressive” leaders because they “did things,” unlike the leaders of those “putrefying corpses” called parliamentary democracies.


Progressive Support for Italian and German Fascism - Discover the Networks

See? All of your goals end with the death of millions and either you're too stupid to understand that or you don't care. Either way you are despicable.

 

[Immanuel]

What I see in that list is nothing but a bunch of nasty personal attacks and a bunch of lies that show more about the person using it for anything at all, then it does about Liberals.

The idea that bfgrn bitches about someone else's hate is absolutely hilarious and hypocritical.

Immie

The word 'hate' only appears in your post, not mine Immie.

The history of mankind has been a struggle between those who want to increase freedom, opportunity and rights to all people and those who want to restrict them. The people who have always fought to increase freedom, opportunity and rights are liberals. The people who have fought to restrict them are conservatives.

And to address Foxfyre's ad nauseam false claim that somehow conservatives are really liberals...

Classical liberals assume a natural equality of humans; conservatives assume a natural hierarchy.
James M. Buchanan

Sorry, but everyone of your posts in this thread and most of the ones you participate in wreak of hatred for conservatives. You simply cannot deny that and continue to live as an honest human being.

Immie

 

[Bfgrn]

The idea that bfgrn bitches about someone else's hate is absolutely hilarious and hypocritical.

Immie

The word 'hate' only appears in your post, not mine Immie.

The history of mankind has been a struggle between those who want to increase freedom, opportunity and rights to all people and those who want to restrict them. The people who have always fought to increase freedom, opportunity and rights are liberals. The people who have fought to restrict them are conservatives.

And to address Foxfyre's ad nauseam false claim that somehow conservatives are really liberals...

Classical liberals assume a natural equality of humans; conservatives assume a natural hierarchy.
James M. Buchanan

The problem with you and yours is you aren't really "liberal". You're "progressives" which is terrible. Liberals are good people who are interested in fairness for all. They sometimes let emotion take over for common sense but in the whole their goals are laudable.

You clowns on the other hand, there is nothing good about progressives.

"Progressives generally greeted the 1917 Bolshevik revolution in Russia with great enthusiasm, embracing it as a worthy effort to create a socialist utopia. In the 1920s and 1930s, a host of credulous progressive journalists traveled to Russia to chronicle the the revolution's afterglow, so as to inform Americans about the historic significance of what was transpiring there. According to author Jonah Goldberg: “Most liberals saw the Bolsheviks as a popular and progressive movement.... Nearly the entire liberal elite, including much of FDR's Brain Trust, made the pilgrimage to Moscow to take admiring notes on the Soviet experiment.”

"Just as progressives were generally enthusiastic about socialist movements in the Soviet Union and Europe, they were also overwhelmingly supportive of the fascist movements in Italy and Germany during the 1920s and 1930s. “In many respects,” writes journalist Jonah Goldberg, “the founding fathers of modern liberalism, the men and women who laid the intellectual groundwork of the New Deal and the welfare state, thought that fascism sounded like ... a worthwhile 'experiment'”:

•H. G. Wells, one of the most influential progressives of the 20th century, said in 1932 that progressives must become “liberal fascists” and “enlightened Nazis.” Regarding totalitarianism, he stated: “I have never been able to escape altogether from its relentless logic.” Calling for a “‘Phoenix Rebirth’ of Liberalism” under the umbrella of “Liberal Fascism,” Wells said: “I am asking for a Liberal Fascisti, for enlightened Nazis.”
•The poet Wallace Stevens pronounced himself “pro-Mussolini personally.”
•The eminent historian Charles Beard wrote of Mussolini’s efforts: “Beyond question, an amazing experiment is being made [in Italy], an experiment in reconciling individualism and socialism.”
•Muckraking journalists almost universally admired Mussolini. Lincoln Steffens, for one, said that Italian fascism made Western democracy, by comparison, look like a system run by “petty persons with petty purposes.” Mussolini, Steffens proclaimed reverently, had been “formed” by God “out of the rib of Italy.”
•McClure’s Magazine founder Samuel McClure, an important figure in the muckraking movement, described Italian fascism as “a great step forward and the first new ideal in government since the founding of the American Republic.”
•After having vistited Italy and interviewed Mussolini in 1926, the American humorist Will Rogers, who was informally dubbed “Ambassador-at-Large of the United States” by the National Press Club, said of the fascist dictator: “I’m pretty high on that bird.” “Dictator form of government is the greatest form of government,” Rogers wrote, “that is, if you have the right dictator.”
•Reporter Ida Tarbell was deeply impressed by Mussolini's attitudes regarding labor, affectionately dubbing him “a despot with a dimple.”
•NAACP co-founder W. E. B. DuBois saw National Socialism as a worthy model for economic organization. The establishment of the Nazi dictatorship in Germany, he wrote, had been “absolutely necessary to get the state in order.” In 1937 DuBois stated: “there is today, in some respects, more democracy in Germany than there has been in years past.”
•FDR adviser Rexford Guy Tugwell said of Italian fascism: “It's the cleanest, neatest, most efficiently operating piece of social machinery I've ever seen. It makes me envious.”
•New Republic editor George Soule, who avidly supported FDR, noted approvingly that the Roosevelt administration was “trying out the economics of fascism.”
•Playwright George Bernard Shaw hailed Stalin, Hitler, and Mussolini as the world’s great “progressive” leaders because they “did things,” unlike the leaders of those “putrefying corpses” called parliamentary democracies.


Progressive Support for Italian and German Fascism - Discover the Networks

See? All of your goals end with the death of millions and either you're too stupid to understand that or you don't care. Either way you are despicable.

There was a time when I thought you were a moderate conservative. But something has changed...drastically. I suspect you have been listening to right wing propaganda. Turn it off Immie. It is rotting your brain.

Your post has nothing to do with today. All you need to do is look at the recent shutdown of government to see who the radicals really are. Teabaggers who loathe everything about America are trying to destroy this nation. WAKE UP Immie.