Why do so many people deny climate change

[mamooth]

An interesting thing about that supposed way-hotter-than-it-was-now MWP is how it had no significant effect on sea levels, ice sheet levels or sea ice levels. Remarkable, how all that planetwide blazing heat over a span of centuries was unable to melt any ice. I await the theory as to how such a thing was possible.

Also interesting how nobody supporting such a theory will submit a paper on it for peer review. That's compared to the dozen or so major studies, all peer-reviewed, using thousands of the best proxies, without a cherrypick in sight. They all said the MWP was not as warm as the modern era.

But then, if you've convinced yourself all the data is a socialist conspiracy, and that there's an active plot to suppress the real data, you'll have no trouble reconciling such pesky facts with your religious beliefs. Just retreat into your conspiracy theory, and all will be well.

 

[bripat9643]

An interesting thing about that supposed way-hotter-than-it-was-now MWP is how it had no significant effect on sea levels, ice sheet levels or sea ice levels. Remarkable, how all that planetwide blazing heat over a span of centuries was unable to melt any ice. I await the theory as to how such a thing was possible.

Also interesting how nobody supporting such a theory will submit a paper on it for peer review. That's compared to the dozen or so major studies, all peer-reviewed, using thousands of the best proxies, without a cherrypick in sight. They all said the MWP was not as warm as the modern era.

But then, if you've convinced yourself all the data is a socialist conspiracy, and that there's an active plot to suppress the real data, you'll have no trouble reconciling such pesky facts with your religious beliefs. Just retreat into your conspiracy theory, and all will be well.

The graph showing a very warm MWP was in the 1990 IPCC report, you fucking moron.

And the reason there was no significant change in sea level is the same reason there is no significant change in sea level now. If the entire arctic ice cap melted, it wouldn't raise sea level 6 inches. The ice in the arctic is already floating, which means it won't change sea level if it melts. Only ice on land melting can change sea level, and it would take much higher temperatures to make the Greenland and antarctic ice sheets melt.

 

[Abraham3]

An interesting thing about that supposed way-hotter-than-it-was-now MWP is how it had no significant effect on sea levels, ice sheet levels or sea ice levels. Remarkable, how all that planetwide blazing heat over a span of centuries was unable to melt any ice. I await the theory as to how such a thing was possible.

Also interesting how nobody supporting such a theory will submit a paper on it for peer review. That's compared to the dozen or so major studies, all peer-reviewed, using thousands of the best proxies, without a cherrypick in sight. They all said the MWP was not as warm as the modern era.

But then, if you've convinced yourself all the data is a socialist conspiracy, and that there's an active plot to suppress the real data, you'll have no trouble reconciling such pesky facts with your religious beliefs. Just retreat into your conspiracy theory, and all will be well.

The graph showing a very warm MWP was in the 1990 IPCC report, you fucking moron.

And the reason there was no significant change in sea level is the same reason there is no significant change in sea level now. If the entire arctic ice cap melted, it wouldn't raise sea level 6 inches. The ice in the arctic is already floating, which means it won't change sea level if it melts. Only ice on land melting can change sea level, and it would take much higher temperatures to make the Greenland and antarctic ice sheets melt.

Nope. All it takes is warm ocean water (like we're building now at a record pace) to knock out the coastal ice shelves and free (and lube) the ice sheets so they can slide right off into the ocean. And how about the bedrock of West Antarctica? Due to the weight of all that ice sitting on it for a gazillion years, it's below sea level save near the coasts. It won't take much more rise to put the whole kit and caboodle at risk of sub-glacial flooding that'll put several FEET worth of ice into the sea virtually overnight.

It will probably flood my own property, but I'd give my right testicle to see your faces when that happens.

 

[bripat9643]

An interesting thing about that supposed way-hotter-than-it-was-now MWP is how it had no significant effect on sea levels, ice sheet levels or sea ice levels. Remarkable, how all that planetwide blazing heat over a span of centuries was unable to melt any ice. I await the theory as to how such a thing was possible.

Also interesting how nobody supporting such a theory will submit a paper on it for peer review. That's compared to the dozen or so major studies, all peer-reviewed, using thousands of the best proxies, without a cherrypick in sight. They all said the MWP was not as warm as the modern era.

But then, if you've convinced yourself all the data is a socialist conspiracy, and that there's an active plot to suppress the real data, you'll have no trouble reconciling such pesky facts with your religious beliefs. Just retreat into your conspiracy theory, and all will be well.

The graph showing a very warm MWP was in the 1990 IPCC report, you fucking moron.

And the reason there was no significant change in sea level is the same reason there is no significant change in sea level now. If the entire arctic ice cap melted, it wouldn't raise sea level 6 inches. The ice in the arctic is already floating, which means it won't change sea level if it melts. Only ice on land melting can change sea level, and it would take much higher temperatures to make the Greenland and antarctic ice sheets melt.

Nope. All it takes is warm ocean water (like we're building now at a record pace) to knock out the coastal ice shelves and free (and lube) the ice sheets so they can slide right off into the ocean.

That's more AGW abracadabra. The water around Antarctica will always be 32 degrees F - even if the average temperature of the Earth increases by 10 degrees.

And how about the bedrock of West Antarctica? Due to the weight of all that ice sitting on it for a gazillion years, it's below sea level save near the coasts. It won't take much more rise to put the whole kit and caboodle at risk of sub-glacial flooding that'll put several FEET worth of ice into the sea virtually overnight.

Sea level isn't going to rise more than 1 foot over the next century according to the IPCC. These scary scenarios are absurd.

It will probably flood my own property, but I'd give my right testicle to see your faces when that happens.

Your great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandson won't be able to enjoy the pleasure of seeing that on my great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandson's face.

 

[tinydancer]

No warming since 1998.

nuff said.

 

[tinydancer]

The graph showing a very warm MWP was in the 1990 IPCC report, you fucking moron.

And the reason there was no significant change in sea level is the same reason there is no significant change in sea level now. If the entire arctic ice cap melted, it wouldn't raise sea level 6 inches. The ice in the arctic is already floating, which means it won't change sea level if it melts. Only ice on land melting can change sea level, and it would take much higher temperatures to make the Greenland and antarctic ice sheets melt.

Nope. All it takes is warm ocean water (like we're building now at a record pace) to knock out the coastal ice shelves and free (and lube) the ice sheets so they can slide right off into the ocean.

That's more AGW abracadabra. The water around Antarctica will always be 32 degrees F - even if the average temperature of the Earth increases by 10 degrees.

And how about the bedrock of West Antarctica? Due to the weight of all that ice sitting on it for a gazillion years, it's below sea level save near the coasts. It won't take much more rise to put the whole kit and caboodle at risk of sub-glacial flooding that'll put several FEET worth of ice into the sea virtually overnight.

Sea level isn't going to rise more than 1 foot over the next century according to the IPCC. These scary scenarios are absurd.

It will probably flood my own property, but I'd give my right testicle to see your faces when that happens.

Your great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandson won't be able to enjoy the pleasure of seeing that on my great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandson's face.

I say we give all the future generations swimming lessons and fuck the wind farms that are killing raptors at an alarming rate.

 

[PMZ]

The evidence is?

Here's what Wikipedia says about Current.

Current TV was an American television channel from August 1, 2005 to August 20, 2013. Al Gore, Joel Hyatt, and Ronald Burkle each held a sizable stake in Current, and Comcast and DirecTV each held a smaller stake.[1]

On January 2, 2013, it was announced that Current was sold by Gore and Hyatt to Qatar-based broadcaster Al Jazeera Media Network,[2][3][1] which stated that it planned on shutting down the Current TV channel, retaining its off-air staff and launching a new New York-based channel called Al Jazeera America using Current's distribution network.[4] It also planned on scrapping the channel's programming lineup and brand.[5]

No mention of Mann. He gets paid by the state because he works for the state. He gets paid for his book because he wrote it.

No mention anywhere of getting paid by the federal government.

They aren't going to list every shareholder, numbnuts. The state is government. Furthermore, many students pay their tuition with student aid - which are mostly state and federal programs. Furthermore, Mann gets research grants from the federal government.

Where's the evidence that Mann was a shareholder?

 

[PMZ]

If you don't want to accept that graph, don't accept that graph. There was no MWP. There was no LIA. Climate changes didn't begin till the invention and widespread use of the thermometer. Whatever temperature the first thermometer read was the constant temperature of the Earth for the prior 4.5 billion years.

Right?

Right.

Did you notice the CO2 line running in parallel with IfItzMe's graphic? Neither the MWP nor the LIA were associated with any dramatic changes in CO2, either as cause or effect. Yet these days we have a monstrous increase. Do you still think these periods have anything in common?

Quick look at the Vostock Ice core data. See that lag in time (400 to 800 years) between the onset of warming and the rise in CO2, yes, that one right there. How long ago was the MWP? Oh yeah, it ended about 800 years ago. Funny that. Looks like another cause of the current CO2 rise is the MWP of 800 years ago. The Vostock ice core data supports that theory...Not yours though

Why would anyone assume that GHGs are the sole cause of global warming?

 

[PMZ]

Nope. All it takes is warm ocean water (like we're building now at a record pace) to knock out the coastal ice shelves and free (and lube) the ice sheets so they can slide right off into the ocean.

That's more AGW abracadabra. The water around Antarctica will always be 32 degrees F - even if the average temperature of the Earth increases by 10 degrees.



Sea level isn't going to rise more than 1 foot over the next century according to the IPCC. These scary scenarios are absurd.

It will probably flood my own property, but I'd give my right testicle to see your faces when that happens.

Your great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandson won't be able to enjoy the pleasure of seeing that on my great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandson's face.

I say we give all the future generations swimming lessons and fuck the wind farms that are killing raptors at an alarming rate.

That's the bottom line. I don't want my grandchildren swimming for their lives so that you can drive an unnecessary pick up truck.

 

[PMZ]

No cooling since 1998.

nuff said.

Simpleton.

 

[PMZ]

The graph showing a very warm MWP was in the 1990 IPCC report, you fucking moron.

And the reason there was no significant change in sea level is the same reason there is no significant change in sea level now. If the entire arctic ice cap melted, it wouldn't raise sea level 6 inches. The ice in the arctic is already floating, which means it won't change sea level if it melts. Only ice on land melting can change sea level, and it would take much higher temperatures to make the Greenland and antarctic ice sheets melt.

Nope. All it takes is warm ocean water (like we're building now at a record pace) to knock out the coastal ice shelves and free (and lube) the ice sheets so they can slide right off into the ocean.

That's more AGW abracadabra. The water around Antarctica will always be 32 degrees F - even if the average temperature of the Earth increases by 10 degrees.

And how about the bedrock of West Antarctica? Due to the weight of all that ice sitting on it for a gazillion years, it's below sea level save near the coasts. It won't take much more rise to put the whole kit and caboodle at risk of sub-glacial flooding that'll put several FEET worth of ice into the sea virtually overnight.

Sea level isn't going to rise more than 1 foot over the next century according to the IPCC. These scary scenarios are absurd.

It will probably flood my own property, but I'd give my right testicle to see your faces when that happens.

Your great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandson won't be able to enjoy the pleasure of seeing that on my great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandson's face.

How much would the coastline of FL change with a one ft change in sea level?

 

[flacaltenn]

If you don't want to accept that graph, don't accept that graph. There was no MWP. There was no LIA. Climate changes didn't begin till the invention and widespread use of the thermometer. Whatever temperature the first thermometer read was the constant temperature of the Earth for the prior 4.5 billion years.

Right?

Right.

Did you notice the CO2 line running in parallel with IfItzMe's graphic? Neither the MWP nor the LIA were associated with any dramatic changes in CO2, either as cause or effect. Yet these days we have a monstrous increase. Do you still think these periods have anything in common?

You talking to yourself here?

 

[edthecynic]

No cooling since 1998.

nuff said.

No cooling for 100 years!

 

[bripat9643]

That's more AGW abracadabra. The water around Antarctica will always be 32 degrees F - even if the average temperature of the Earth increases by 10 degrees.



Sea level isn't going to rise more than 1 foot over the next century according to the IPCC. These scary scenarios are absurd.



Your great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandson won't be able to enjoy the pleasure of seeing that on my great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandson's face.

I say we give all the future generations swimming lessons and fuck the wind farms that are killing raptors at an alarming rate.

That's the bottom line. I don't want my grandchildren swimming for their lives so that you can drive an unnecessary pick up truck.

"Swimming for their lives?" You have to be joking. They'll have to move the lifeguard stands 6 feet closer inland, and that is it.

 

[bripat9643]

Nope. All it takes is warm ocean water (like we're building now at a record pace) to knock out the coastal ice shelves and free (and lube) the ice sheets so they can slide right off into the ocean.

That's more AGW abracadabra. The water around Antarctica will always be 32 degrees F - even if the average temperature of the Earth increases by 10 degrees.



Sea level isn't going to rise more than 1 foot over the next century according to the IPCC. These scary scenarios are absurd.

It will probably flood my own property, but I'd give my right testicle to see your faces when that happens.

Your great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandson won't be able to enjoy the pleasure of seeing that on my great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandson's face.

How much would the coastline of FL change with a one ft change in sea level?

It wouldn't even be noticeable.

 

[Abraham3]

That's more AGW abracadabra. The water around Antarctica will always be 32 degrees F - even if the average temperature of the Earth increases by 10 degrees.



Sea level isn't going to rise more than 1 foot over the next century according to the IPCC. These scary scenarios are absurd.



Your great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandson won't be able to enjoy the pleasure of seeing that on my great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandson's face.

How much would the coastline of FL change with a one ft change in sea level?

It wouldn't even be noticeable.

Then you haven't seen an elevation map of the state. And your physical oceanography is more than a little weak. Tell me, how far from the polar ice does this magical 32F region extend? And why isn't the entire sum of the world's water trapped there?

 

[Geaux4it]

After realizing the person he was talking to was taking visual cues from a picture and ignoring the information in the graph, I started thinking about why people deny climate change.

Um, because it's not true.

That's why

-Geaux

 

[bripat9643]

How much would the coastline of FL change with a one ft change in sea level?

It wouldn't even be noticeable.

Then you haven't seen an elevation map of the state. And your physical oceanography is more than a little weak.

I live in the state of Florida.

Tell me, how far from the polar ice does this magical 32F region extend? And why isn't the entire sum of the world's water trapped there?

It extends quite a ways. Keep in mind that the circumpolar current surrounds Antarctica. It keeps warm water from penetrating to the Continent. This current is what cause Antarctica to freeze over in the first place.

There's nothing "magical" about it.

 

[tinydancer]

No warming since 1998.

nuff said.

Simpleton.

It's the truth. You have politicians panicking globally because they aren't able to justify their heavy taxation for a problem that doesn't exist.

 

[PMZ]

Here's how it's likely to come down. The combination of rising sea levels, and millions of conservatives with their heads stuck in the sand, will be self correcting.

When the water comes, they will treat it as they treat all problems, by ignoring it, and the lemming effect will be their timely end.