Why do so many people deny climate change

[edthecynic]

The guys who didn't lie to fabricate a hockey stick.

Much like Muslims chanting "Allahu Akbar!" loudly in public, denialists also have some sacred lines they repeatedly chant at maximum volume. The purpose of them is not to convince others, since no one outside the cult is dumb enough to fall for it. The purpose is a display of group solidarity, to identify themselves to others of their own religion, and to show how loyal to that religion they are.

There has been no warming since 1998. Climate change is normal. It's not the end of the world.

TD gives us the current meme the mindless drones are parroting!!!

 

[PMZ]

It's been an advantage for Al Gore.

Let me know when you find how much warmer and how deep.

I know learning is hard for you but here's a start. Maybe if you lay down some of the pain will be alleviated.

From Deep Oceans Warming at Alarming Rate : Discovery News

Despite mixed signals from warming ocean surface waters, a new re-analysis of data from the depths suggests dramatic warming of the deep sea is underway because of anthropogenic climate change. The scientists report that the deep seas are taking in more heat than expected, which is taking some of the warming off the Earth’s surface, but it will not do so forever.

"Some of the heat (from human-caused global warming) is going into melting sea ice and heating the surface, but the bulk is going into the oceans,” said climate researcher Kevin Trenberth of the National Center for Atmospheric Research, a coauthor on a new research paper reporting on the deep ocean warming in the journal Geophysical Research Letters.
How Global Warming Will Change Your Life

The study involved the bringing together of a diverse suite of data, ranging from satellite measurements of the surface waters to ship observations at all depths, instruments mounted on elephant seals, ARGO profilers (a large collection of small, drifting-robotic probes deployed worldwide), and data-gathering instruments moored in place. The data includes temperature, salinity, depth, and altimetry of the ocean surface, going back decades.
Ocean heat content from zero to 300 meters deep (grey), 700 meters deep (blue), and total depth (violet). The vertical colored bars indicate a two year interval following volcanic eruptions with a six month and the 1997–1998 El Niño event. On lower right, the linear slopes for a set of global heating rates is given.


Piecing together different kinds of data from different times and sometimes from sparse data sets was the key challenge, Trenberth explains, but that is the specialty of his coauthors at the European Centre for Medium Range Weather Forecasts in the U.K

“They have one of the most sophisticated data assimilation systems,” Trenberth said. That has allowed for a new view of not only how the deep sea is heating up, but how winds and El Niño events play into it all.

Winds blowing on the oceans can drive water into the deep ocean as well as cause upwelling of deep waters, which can release massive amounts of heat. The 1998 El Niño year, for instance, was the hottest on record because the oceans were releasing a lot of heat from the ocean into the atmosphere, Trenberth explained to DNews.
Think the Planet Isn't Warming? Check the Ocean: Analysis

The new re-analysis of ocean data is not the last word on what's happening in the deep seas, but the best estimate of what is happening.

“It's more than speculation and suggestion,” agrees climate scientist Gavin Schmidt of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, “and it's probably right to a reasonable degree. The fact of the matter is we'll never be able to get data from below 400 meters in the middle of the Pacific Ocean” because there is not enough money invested in ocean sensors to cover such places. “So we have to use physics to fill in the gaps.”

The bottom line, says Trenberth is that the heat of global warming is going to different places. “So global warming is continuing even though it’s not always manifested as a strong surface temperature increase. It’s just manifesting itself in different ways.”

I took your advice, but the pain of your ignorance remains unchanged.

Thanks for the awesome link. There was one tiny thing missing, temperature.
Thanks for the laugh.

If you want to take the oceans temperature, first build a very long thermometer.

What science will do, as they do every day in every field, is to deduce proxies for things that can't be measured directly.

You are still suffering from the delusion that if you don't know something, nobody does.

 

[PMZ]

More stuff that Toddster doesn't know and can't imagine others kmow

New analyses find evidence of human-caused climate change in half of the 12 extreme weather and climate events analyzed from 2012

September 5, 2013


The "Explaining Extreme Events of 2012 from a Climate Perspective" report was published today by the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society. (Full report).


Human influences are having an impact on some extreme weather and climate events, according to the report “Explaining Extreme Events of 2012 from a Climate Perspective” released today by the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society. Overall, 18 different research teams from around the world contributed to the peer-reviewed report that examined the causes of 12 extreme events that occurred on five continents and in the Arctic during 2012. Scientists from NOAA served as three of the four lead editors on the report.

The report shows that the effects of natural weather and climate fluctuations played a key role in the intensity and evolution of the 2012 extreme events. However, in some events, the analyses revealed compelling evidence that human-caused climate change, through the emission of heat-trapping gases, also contributed to the extreme event.

“This report adds to a growing ability of climate science to untangle the complexities of understanding natural and human-induced factors contributing to specific extreme weather and climate events,” said Thomas R. Karl, L.H.D, director of NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center (NCDC). “Nonetheless, determining the causes of extreme events remains challenging.”

In addition to investigating the causes of these extreme events, the multiple analyses of four of the events — the warm temperatures in the United States, the record-low levels of Arctic sea ice, and the heavy rain in both northern Europe and eastern Australia — allowed the scientists to compare and contrast the strengths and weaknesses of their various methods of analysis. Despite their different strategies, there was considerable agreement between the assessments of the same events.

Thomas Peterson, Ph.D., principal scientist at NOAA’s NCDC and one of the lead editors on the report, said, “Scientists around the world assessed a wide variety of potential contributing factors to these major extreme events that, in many cases, had large impacts on society. Understanding the range of influences on extreme events helps us to better understand how and why extremes are changing."

Key findings include:

Location and type of events analyzed in the Paper.

Location and type of events analyzed in the Paper.

Heat Wave and Drought in United States:

Human-induced climate change had little impact on the lack of precipitation in the central United States in 2012.
The 2012 spring and summer heat waves in the U.S. can be mainly explained by natural atmospheric dynamics, however, human-induced climate change was found to be a factor in the magnitude of warmth and was found to have affected the likelihood of such heat waves. For example:
High temperatures, such as those experienced in the U.S. in 2012 are now likely to occur four times as frequently due to human-induced climate change.
Approximately 35 percent of the extreme warmth experienced in the eastern U.S. between March and May 2012 can be attributed to human-induced climate change.

Hurricane Sandy Inundation Probability:

The record-setting impacts of Sandy were largely attributable to the massive storm surge and resulting inundation from the onshore-directed storm path coincident with high tide. However, climate-change related increases in sea level have nearly doubled today’s annual probability of a Sandy-level flood recurrence as compared to 1950. Ongoing natural and human-induced forcing of sea level ensures that Sandy-level inundation events will occur more frequently in the future from storms with less intensity and lower storm surge than Sandy.

Arctic Sea Ice:

The extremely low Arctic sea ice extent in summer 2012 resulted primarily from the melting of younger, thin ice from a warmed atmosphere and ocean. This event cannot be explained by natural variability alone. Summer Arctic sea ice extent will continue to decrease in the future, and is expected to be largely absent by mid-century.

Global Rainfall Events:

The unusually high amount of summer rainfall in the United Kingdom in 2012 was largely the result of natural variability. However, there is evidence that rainfall totals are influenced by increases in sea surface temperature and atmospheric moisture which may be linked to human influences on climate.
The magnitude of the extreme rainfall experienced over southeastern Australia between October 2011 and March 2012 was mainly associated with La Niña conditions. However, the likelihood of above-average precipitation during March was found to have increased by 5 percent to 15 percent because of human influences on the climate.
Extreme rainfall events such as the December 2011 two-day rainfall in Golden Bay, New Zealand, are more likely to occur due to a 1 percent to 5 percent increase in available moisture resulting from increased levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.
The July 2012 extreme rainfall events in North China and southwestern Japan were mainly due to natural variability.

The report was edited by Peterson, along with Martin P. Hoerling, NOAA’s Earth System Research Laboratory; Peter A. Stott, UK Met Office Hadley Centre and Stephanie C. Herring of NCDC and written by 78 scientists from 11 countries. View the full report online.

 

[bripat9643]

Makes you wish that you had some science, doesn't it?
Making claims without facts is a tough position to be in except if you're talking politics. Then, it's an advantage.

It's been an advantage for Al Gore.

Let me know when you find how much warmer and how deep.

I know learning is hard for you but here's a start. Maybe if you lay down some of the pain will be alleviated.

From Deep Oceans Warming at Alarming Rate : Discovery News

Despite mixed signals from warming ocean surface waters, a new re-analysis of data from the depths suggests dramatic warming of the deep sea is underway because of anthropogenic climate change. The scientists report that the deep seas are taking in more heat than expected, which is taking some of the warming off the Earth’s surface, but it will not do so forever.

"Some of the heat (from human-caused global warming) is going into melting sea ice and heating the surface, but the bulk is going into the oceans,” said climate researcher Kevin Trenberth of the National Center for Atmospheric Research, a coauthor on a new research paper reporting on the deep ocean warming in the journal Geophysical Research Letters.

"The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t."

[Trenberth in Climategate1, 2009]



You'll have to forgive us if we don't place much stock in what Kevin Trenberth has to say.

You can read more of Trenberth's faux pas here:

Kevin Trenberth struggles mightily to explain the lack of global warming | Watts Up With That?

 

[bripat9643]

There is no global warming. Not since 1998. And climate change is natural. .

And the mindless drones parrot their programming. It's amazing how many fools will repeat any bullshit they are fed by GOP hate media without even bothering to fact check it!!

So please explain how the decade following 1998 was the warmest in the history of direct instrument measurement if warming STOPPED in 1998??????

Past decade hottest on record, marked by extremes: UN | Fox News

The first decade of the 21st century was the hottest on record, marked by unprecedented climate and weather extremes that killed more than 370,000 people, the United Nations weather agency said Wednesday.
The period from 2001 to 2010 was the warmest decade for both hemispheres since records began in 1850, was the second-wettest since 1901 and saw the most tropical cyclones since 1855, the World Meteorological Organization said in a new report.

Obviously, you're too stupid to understand the fact that both claims can be true. Only the locally impaired believe you claim invalidates the prior claim. Those who post this nonsense only unmask themselves as propagandists.

However, having said that, it's not even true that the last decade was the warmest on record.

 

[bripat9643]

More stuff that Toddster doesn't know and can't imagine others kmow

New analyses find evidence of human-caused climate change in half of the 12 extreme weather and climate events analyzed from 2012

September 5, 2013


The "Explaining Extreme Events of 2012 from a Climate Perspective" report was published today by the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society. (Full report).


Human influences are having an impact on some extreme weather and climate events, according to the report “Explaining Extreme Events of 2012 from a Climate Perspective” released today by the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society. Overall, 18 different research teams from around the world contributed to the peer-reviewed report that examined the causes of 12 extreme events that occurred on five continents and in the Arctic during 2012. Scientists from NOAA served as three of the four lead editors on the report.

Of course, the article doesn't even discuss the basis these "researchers" used for reaching their conclusions. PMS will tell us the hoi polloi are too ignorant to understand the reasons. That is so typical of the AGW priesthood: make sinister proclamations and then keep the information used to generate the so-called "science" a secret. That's exactly how the high priests of the Aztecs operated right before they demanded more human sacrifices to slake the thirsts of Tlaloc and Huitzilopochtli.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I know learning is hard for you but here's a start. Maybe if you lay down some of the pain will be alleviated.

From Deep Oceans Warming at Alarming Rate : Discovery News

Despite mixed signals from warming ocean surface waters, a new re-analysis of data from the depths suggests dramatic warming of the deep sea is underway because of anthropogenic climate change. The scientists report that the deep seas are taking in more heat than expected, which is taking some of the warming off the Earth’s surface, but it will not do so forever.

"Some of the heat (from human-caused global warming) is going into melting sea ice and heating the surface, but the bulk is going into the oceans,” said climate researcher Kevin Trenberth of the National Center for Atmospheric Research, a coauthor on a new research paper reporting on the deep ocean warming in the journal Geophysical Research Letters.
How Global Warming Will Change Your Life

The study involved the bringing together of a diverse suite of data, ranging from satellite measurements of the surface waters to ship observations at all depths, instruments mounted on elephant seals, ARGO profilers (a large collection of small, drifting-robotic probes deployed worldwide), and data-gathering instruments moored in place. The data includes temperature, salinity, depth, and altimetry of the ocean surface, going back decades.
Ocean heat content from zero to 300 meters deep (grey), 700 meters deep (blue), and total depth (violet). The vertical colored bars indicate a two year interval following volcanic eruptions with a six month and the 1997–1998 El Niño event. On lower right, the linear slopes for a set of global heating rates is given.


Piecing together different kinds of data from different times and sometimes from sparse data sets was the key challenge, Trenberth explains, but that is the specialty of his coauthors at the European Centre for Medium Range Weather Forecasts in the U.K

“They have one of the most sophisticated data assimilation systems,” Trenberth said. That has allowed for a new view of not only how the deep sea is heating up, but how winds and El Niño events play into it all.

Winds blowing on the oceans can drive water into the deep ocean as well as cause upwelling of deep waters, which can release massive amounts of heat. The 1998 El Niño year, for instance, was the hottest on record because the oceans were releasing a lot of heat from the ocean into the atmosphere, Trenberth explained to DNews.
Think the Planet Isn't Warming? Check the Ocean: Analysis

The new re-analysis of ocean data is not the last word on what's happening in the deep seas, but the best estimate of what is happening.

“It's more than speculation and suggestion,” agrees climate scientist Gavin Schmidt of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, “and it's probably right to a reasonable degree. The fact of the matter is we'll never be able to get data from below 400 meters in the middle of the Pacific Ocean” because there is not enough money invested in ocean sensors to cover such places. “So we have to use physics to fill in the gaps.”

The bottom line, says Trenberth is that the heat of global warming is going to different places. “So global warming is continuing even though it’s not always manifested as a strong surface temperature increase. It’s just manifesting itself in different ways.”

I took your advice, but the pain of your ignorance remains unchanged.

Thanks for the awesome link. There was one tiny thing missing, temperature.
Thanks for the laugh.

If you want to take the oceans temperature, first build a very long thermometer.

What science will do, as they do every day in every field, is to deduce proxies for things that can't be measured directly.

You are still suffering from the delusion that if you don't know something, nobody does.

If you want to take the oceans temperature, first build a very long thermometer.

You should do that.

What science will do, as they do every day in every field, is to deduce proxies for things that can't be measured directly.

Sounds like an opportunity for mischief.

You are still suffering from the delusion that if you don't know something, nobody does.

Let me know when you, or anyone, knows the temperatures you claim are warming.....and how deep.

 

[bripat9643]

Use your science. Oh, excuse me. You have none.

Run away from your silly claims, again.

Makes you wish that you had some science, doesn't it?
Making claims without facts is a tough position to be in except if you're talking politics. Then, it's an advantage.

The fact is, there is virtually no record of the temperature of the deep ocean. There are measurements that were taken sporadically in a sprinkling of locations, and that's it. NOAA has just recently completed launching 1250 drifting buoys to measure the surface temperature. What do you supposed the odds are that any nation has any significant number of buoys the record temperatures in the deep ocean?

Any claims about heating of the oceans is pure bovine excrement.

 

[PMZ]

It's been an advantage for Al Gore.

Let me know when you find how much warmer and how deep.

I know learning is hard for you but here's a start. Maybe if you lay down some of the pain will be alleviated.

From Deep Oceans Warming at Alarming Rate : Discovery News

Despite mixed signals from warming ocean surface waters, a new re-analysis of data from the depths suggests dramatic warming of the deep sea is underway because of anthropogenic climate change. The scientists report that the deep seas are taking in more heat than expected, which is taking some of the warming off the Earth’s surface, but it will not do so forever.

"Some of the heat (from human-caused global warming) is going into melting sea ice and heating the surface, but the bulk is going into the oceans,” said climate researcher Kevin Trenberth of the National Center for Atmospheric Research, a coauthor on a new research paper reporting on the deep ocean warming in the journal Geophysical Research Letters.

"The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t."

[Trenberth in Climategate1, 2009]



You'll have to forgive us if we don't place much stock in what Kevin Trenberth has to say.

You can read more of Trenberth's faux pas here:

Kevin Trenberth struggles mightily to explain the lack of global warming | Watts Up With That?

"You'll have to forgive us if we don't place much stock in what Kevin Trenberth has to say"

What you put stock in is meaningless. He's a renown climate scientist and you have clearly demonstrated no literacy in that topic. So we'll pay attention to his expertise in the field of climate science and your expertise when we find it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

More stuff that Toddster doesn't know and can't imagine others kmow

New analyses find evidence of human-caused climate change in half of the 12 extreme weather and climate events analyzed from 2012

September 5, 2013


The "Explaining Extreme Events of 2012 from a Climate Perspective" report was published today by the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society. (Full report).


Human influences are having an impact on some extreme weather and climate events, according to the report “Explaining Extreme Events of 2012 from a Climate Perspective” released today by the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society. Overall, 18 different research teams from around the world contributed to the peer-reviewed report that examined the causes of 12 extreme events that occurred on five continents and in the Arctic during 2012. Scientists from NOAA served as three of the four lead editors on the report.

The report shows that the effects of natural weather and climate fluctuations played a key role in the intensity and evolution of the 2012 extreme events. However, in some events, the analyses revealed compelling evidence that human-caused climate change, through the emission of heat-trapping gases, also contributed to the extreme event.

“This report adds to a growing ability of climate science to untangle the complexities of understanding natural and human-induced factors contributing to specific extreme weather and climate events,” said Thomas R. Karl, L.H.D, director of NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center (NCDC). “Nonetheless, determining the causes of extreme events remains challenging.”

In addition to investigating the causes of these extreme events, the multiple analyses of four of the events — the warm temperatures in the United States, the record-low levels of Arctic sea ice, and the heavy rain in both northern Europe and eastern Australia — allowed the scientists to compare and contrast the strengths and weaknesses of their various methods of analysis. Despite their different strategies, there was considerable agreement between the assessments of the same events.

Thomas Peterson, Ph.D., principal scientist at NOAA’s NCDC and one of the lead editors on the report, said, “Scientists around the world assessed a wide variety of potential contributing factors to these major extreme events that, in many cases, had large impacts on society. Understanding the range of influences on extreme events helps us to better understand how and why extremes are changing."

Key findings include:

Location and type of events analyzed in the Paper.

Location and type of events analyzed in the Paper.

Heat Wave and Drought in United States:

Human-induced climate change had little impact on the lack of precipitation in the central United States in 2012.
The 2012 spring and summer heat waves in the U.S. can be mainly explained by natural atmospheric dynamics, however, human-induced climate change was found to be a factor in the magnitude of warmth and was found to have affected the likelihood of such heat waves. For example:
High temperatures, such as those experienced in the U.S. in 2012 are now likely to occur four times as frequently due to human-induced climate change.
Approximately 35 percent of the extreme warmth experienced in the eastern U.S. between March and May 2012 can be attributed to human-induced climate change.

Hurricane Sandy Inundation Probability:

The record-setting impacts of Sandy were largely attributable to the massive storm surge and resulting inundation from the onshore-directed storm path coincident with high tide. However, climate-change related increases in sea level have nearly doubled today’s annual probability of a Sandy-level flood recurrence as compared to 1950. Ongoing natural and human-induced forcing of sea level ensures that Sandy-level inundation events will occur more frequently in the future from storms with less intensity and lower storm surge than Sandy.

Arctic Sea Ice:

The extremely low Arctic sea ice extent in summer 2012 resulted primarily from the melting of younger, thin ice from a warmed atmosphere and ocean. This event cannot be explained by natural variability alone. Summer Arctic sea ice extent will continue to decrease in the future, and is expected to be largely absent by mid-century.

Global Rainfall Events:

The unusually high amount of summer rainfall in the United Kingdom in 2012 was largely the result of natural variability. However, there is evidence that rainfall totals are influenced by increases in sea surface temperature and atmospheric moisture which may be linked to human influences on climate.
The magnitude of the extreme rainfall experienced over southeastern Australia between October 2011 and March 2012 was mainly associated with La Niña conditions. However, the likelihood of above-average precipitation during March was found to have increased by 5 percent to 15 percent because of human influences on the climate.
Extreme rainfall events such as the December 2011 two-day rainfall in Golden Bay, New Zealand, are more likely to occur due to a 1 percent to 5 percent increase in available moisture resulting from increased levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.
The July 2012 extreme rainfall events in North China and southwestern Japan were mainly due to natural variability.

The report was edited by Peterson, along with Martin P. Hoerling, NOAA’s Earth System Research Laboratory; Peter A. Stott, UK Met Office Hadley Centre and Stephanie C. Herring of NCDC and written by 78 scientists from 11 countries. View the full report online.

Wow, very convincing.

I guess we're to blame for the record number of hurricanes every year for the last 5 years?

 

[bripat9643]

I know learning is hard for you but here's a start. Maybe if you lay down some of the pain will be alleviated.

From Deep Oceans Warming at Alarming Rate : Discovery News

Despite mixed signals from warming ocean surface waters, a new re-analysis of data from the depths suggests dramatic warming of the deep sea is underway because of anthropogenic climate change. The scientists report that the deep seas are taking in more heat than expected, which is taking some of the warming off the Earth’s surface, but it will not do so forever.

"Some of the heat (from human-caused global warming) is going into melting sea ice and heating the surface, but the bulk is going into the oceans,” said climate researcher Kevin Trenberth of the National Center for Atmospheric Research, a coauthor on a new research paper reporting on the deep ocean warming in the journal Geophysical Research Letters.

"The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t."

[Trenberth in Climategate1, 2009]



You'll have to forgive us if we don't place much stock in what Kevin Trenberth has to say.

You can read more of Trenberth's faux pas here:

Kevin Trenberth struggles mightily to explain the lack of global warming | Watts Up With That?

"You'll have to forgive us if we don't place much stock in what Kevin Trenberth has to say"

What you put stock in is meaningless. He's a renown climate scientist and you have clearly demonstrated no literacy in that topic. So we'll pay attention to his expertise in the field of climate science and your expertise when we find it.

Trenberth is a con-artist. He made his unhappiness about the fact of flat global temperatures quite plain. Then, wadda ya know, he comes up with an explanation for it!
Only a congenital fool would believe anything this weasel has to say.

 

[bripat9643]

Wow, very convincing.

I guess we're to blame for the record number of hurricanes every year for the last 5 years?

How do you suppose they determined that global warming caused extreme weather event 'A' but not extreme weather event 'B?'

 

[PMZ]

It's been an advantage for Al Gore.

Let me know when you find how much warmer and how deep.

I know learning is hard for you but here's a start. Maybe if you lay down some of the pain will be alleviated.

From Deep Oceans Warming at Alarming Rate : Discovery News

Despite mixed signals from warming ocean surface waters, a new re-analysis of data from the depths suggests dramatic warming of the deep sea is underway because of anthropogenic climate change. The scientists report that the deep seas are taking in more heat than expected, which is taking some of the warming off the Earth’s surface, but it will not do so forever.

"Some of the heat (from human-caused global warming) is going into melting sea ice and heating the surface, but the bulk is going into the oceans,” said climate researcher Kevin Trenberth of the National Center for Atmospheric Research, a coauthor on a new research paper reporting on the deep ocean warming in the journal Geophysical Research Letters.

"The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t."

[Trenberth in Climategate1, 2009]



You'll have to forgive us if we don't place much stock in what Kevin Trenberth has to say.

You can read more of Trenberth's faux pas here:

Kevin Trenberth struggles mightily to explain the lack of global warming | Watts Up With That?

What do you disagree with here?

[Trenberth] “Warming” really means heating, and so it can be manifested in many ways. Rising surface temperatures are just one manifestation. Melting Arctic sea ice is another. So is melting of glaciers and other land ice that contribute to rising sea levels. Increasing the water cycle and invigorating storms is yet another…Another prominent source of natural variability in the Earth’s energy imbalance is changes in the sun itself, seen most clearly as the sunspot cycle. From 2005 to 2010 the sun went into a quiet phase and the warming energy imbalance is estimated to have dropped by about 10 to 15%.

"…Human induced global warming really kicked in during the 1970s, and warming has been pretty steady since then…Focusing on the wiggles and ignoring the bigger picture of unabated warming is foolhardy, but one promoted by climate change deniers. Global sea level keeps marching up at a rate of over 30 cm per century since 1992 (when global measurements via altimetry on satellites were made possible), and that is perhaps a better indicator that global warming continues unabated."

 

[bripat9643]

I know learning is hard for you but here's a start. Maybe if you lay down some of the pain will be alleviated.

From Deep Oceans Warming at Alarming Rate : Discovery News

Despite mixed signals from warming ocean surface waters, a new re-analysis of data from the depths suggests dramatic warming of the deep sea is underway because of anthropogenic climate change. The scientists report that the deep seas are taking in more heat than expected, which is taking some of the warming off the Earth’s surface, but it will not do so forever.

"Some of the heat (from human-caused global warming) is going into melting sea ice and heating the surface, but the bulk is going into the oceans,” said climate researcher Kevin Trenberth of the National Center for Atmospheric Research, a coauthor on a new research paper reporting on the deep ocean warming in the journal Geophysical Research Letters.

"The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t."

[Trenberth in Climategate1, 2009]



You'll have to forgive us if we don't place much stock in what Kevin Trenberth has to say.

You can read more of Trenberth's faux pas here:

Kevin Trenberth struggles mightily to explain the lack of global warming | Watts Up With That?

What do you disagree with here?

[Trenberth] “Warming” really means heating, and so it can be manifested in many ways. Rising surface temperatures are just one manifestation. Melting Arctic sea ice is another. So is melting of glaciers and other land ice that contribute to rising sea levels. Increasing the water cycle and invigorating storms is yet another…Another prominent source of natural variability in the Earth’s energy imbalance is changes in the sun itself, seen most clearly as the sunspot cycle. From 2005 to 2010 the sun went into a quiet phase and the warming energy imbalance is estimated to have dropped by about 10 to 15%.

"…Human induced global warming really kicked in during the 1970s, and warming has been pretty steady since then…Focusing on the wiggles and ignoring the bigger picture of unabated warming is foolhardy, but one promoted by climate change deniers. Global sea level keeps marching up at a rate of over 30 cm per century since 1992 (when global measurements via altimetry on satellites were made possible), and that is perhaps a better indicator that global warming continues unabated."

Trenberth even admits that the sun has a massive impact on our climate. On that I agree with him. However, even if you accept everything he claims as true, it still doesn't prove that humans are responsible. The Earth has been warming for 10,000 years.

 

[PMZ]

Or here?

[Q:] I know this kind of extreme weather is part of the territory in the middle of the country, but is climate change going to make such extreme weather more likely or more powerful?

[A: Trenberth] Of course, tornadoes are very much a weather phenomenon. They come from certain thunderstorms, usually supercell thunderstorms that are in a wind shear environment that promotes rotation. That environment is most common in spring across the U.S. when the storm track is just the right distance from the Gulf [of Mexico] and other sources of moisture.

The main climate change connection is via the basic instability of the low-level air that creates the convection and thunderstorms in the first place. Warmer and moister conditions are the key for unstable air. The oceans are warmer because of climate change.

The climate change effect is probably only a 5 to 10 percent effect in terms of the instability and subsequent rainfall, but it translates into up to a 33 percent effect in terms of damage. (It is highly nonlinear, for 10 percent it is 1.1 to the power of three = 1.33.) So there is a chain of events, and climate change mainly affects the first link: the basic buoyancy of the air is increased. Whether that translates into a supercell storm and one with a tornado is largely chance weather.

 

[bripat9643]

Or here?

[Q:] I know this kind of extreme weather is part of the territory in the middle of the country, but is climate change going to make such extreme weather more likely or more powerful?

[A: Trenberth] Of course, tornadoes are very much a weather phenomenon. They come from certain thunderstorms, usually supercell thunderstorms that are in a wind shear environment that promotes rotation. That environment is most common in spring across the U.S. when the storm track is just the right distance from the Gulf [of Mexico] and other sources of moisture.

The main climate change connection is via the basic instability of the low-level air that creates the convection and thunderstorms in the first place. Warmer and moister conditions are the key for unstable air. The oceans are warmer because of climate change.

The climate change effect is probably only a 5 to 10 percent effect in terms of the instability and subsequent rainfall, but it translates into up to a 33 percent effect in terms of damage. (It is highly nonlinear, for 10 percent it is 1.1 to the power of three = 1.33.) So there is a chain of events, and climate change mainly affects the first link: the basic buoyancy of the air is increased. Whether that translates into a supercell storm and one with a tornado is largely chance weather.

What about it? None of those claims are proven.

 

[PMZ]

"The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t."

[Trenberth in Climategate1, 2009]



You'll have to forgive us if we don't place much stock in what Kevin Trenberth has to say.

You can read more of Trenberth's faux pas here:

Kevin Trenberth struggles mightily to explain the lack of global warming | Watts Up With That?

What do you disagree with here?

[Trenberth] “Warming” really means heating, and so it can be manifested in many ways. Rising surface temperatures are just one manifestation. Melting Arctic sea ice is another. So is melting of glaciers and other land ice that contribute to rising sea levels. Increasing the water cycle and invigorating storms is yet another…Another prominent source of natural variability in the Earth’s energy imbalance is changes in the sun itself, seen most clearly as the sunspot cycle. From 2005 to 2010 the sun went into a quiet phase and the warming energy imbalance is estimated to have dropped by about 10 to 15%.

"…Human induced global warming really kicked in during the 1970s, and warming has been pretty steady since then…Focusing on the wiggles and ignoring the bigger picture of unabated warming is foolhardy, but one promoted by climate change deniers. Global sea level keeps marching up at a rate of over 30 cm per century since 1992 (when global measurements via altimetry on satellites were made possible), and that is perhaps a better indicator that global warming continues unabated."

Trenberth even admits that the sun has a massive impact on our climate. On that I agree with him. However, even if you accept everything he claims as true, it still doesn't prove that humans are responsible. The Earth has been warming for 10,000 years.

You keep finding new ways go say the same thing.

You don't understand climate science. How do climate scientists?

 

[PMZ]

Or here?

[Q:] I know this kind of extreme weather is part of the territory in the middle of the country, but is climate change going to make such extreme weather more likely or more powerful?

[A: Trenberth] Of course, tornadoes are very much a weather phenomenon. They come from certain thunderstorms, usually supercell thunderstorms that are in a wind shear environment that promotes rotation. That environment is most common in spring across the U.S. when the storm track is just the right distance from the Gulf [of Mexico] and other sources of moisture.

The main climate change connection is via the basic instability of the low-level air that creates the convection and thunderstorms in the first place. Warmer and moister conditions are the key for unstable air. The oceans are warmer because of climate change.

The climate change effect is probably only a 5 to 10 percent effect in terms of the instability and subsequent rainfall, but it translates into up to a 33 percent effect in terms of damage. (It is highly nonlinear, for 10 percent it is 1.1 to the power of three = 1.33.) So there is a chain of events, and climate change mainly affects the first link: the basic buoyancy of the air is increased. Whether that translates into a supercell storm and one with a tornado is largely chance weather.

What about it? None of those claims are proven.

None of the proof of those claims is known by you. Why would you expect it to be?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Wow, very convincing.

I guess we're to blame for the record number of hurricanes every year for the last 5 years?

How do you suppose they determined that global warming caused extreme weather event 'A' but not extreme weather event 'B?'

They dusted for prints.

 

[PMZ]

"The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t."

[Trenberth in Climategate1, 2009]



You'll have to forgive us if we don't place much stock in what Kevin Trenberth has to say.

You can read more of Trenberth's faux pas here:

Kevin Trenberth struggles mightily to explain the lack of global warming | Watts Up With That?

What do you disagree with here?

[Trenberth] “Warming” really means heating, and so it can be manifested in many ways. Rising surface temperatures are just one manifestation. Melting Arctic sea ice is another. So is melting of glaciers and other land ice that contribute to rising sea levels. Increasing the water cycle and invigorating storms is yet another…Another prominent source of natural variability in the Earth’s energy imbalance is changes in the sun itself, seen most clearly as the sunspot cycle. From 2005 to 2010 the sun went into a quiet phase and the warming energy imbalance is estimated to have dropped by about 10 to 15%.

"…Human induced global warming really kicked in during the 1970s, and warming has been pretty steady since then…Focusing on the wiggles and ignoring the bigger picture of unabated warming is foolhardy, but one promoted by climate change deniers. Global sea level keeps marching up at a rate of over 30 cm per century since 1992 (when global measurements via altimetry on satellites were made possible), and that is perhaps a better indicator that global warming continues unabated."

Trenberth even admits that the sun has a massive impact on our climate. On that I agree with him. However, even if you accept everything he claims as true, it still doesn't prove that humans are responsible. The Earth has been warming for 10,000 years.

Show us some chemistry or physics or even alchemy that suggests that GHGs do not absorb OLR.