Why Do So Many Self-Proclaimed Christians Curse So Much, So Freely and So Publicly?

[rdean]

Why do you assume that "corrupt communication" means cursing?
Could just as well mean lying!

He does not object lying, especially from the liar in chief or murder and violence, for that matter.

But, God forbid if somebody uses the f word

That is called hypocrisy.

I would have to wonder why he doesn't appear to have any problem with the President's corrupt communication, which includes lying as well as cursing. The President is a self proclaimed Christian after all.

However, the President's bad behavior is no excuse for the rest of us.

You lie. What excuse do you have?

 

[chikenwing]

He does not object lying, especially from the liar in chief or murder and violence, for that matter.

But, God forbid if somebody uses the f word

That is called hypocrisy.

I would have to wonder why he doesn't appear to have any problem with the President's corrupt communication, which includes lying as well as cursing. The President is a self proclaimed Christian after all.

However, the President's bad behavior is no excuse for the rest of us.

You lie. What excuse do you have?

People like you?

 

[Avatar4321]

He does not object lying, especially from the liar in chief or murder and violence, for that matter.

But, God forbid if somebody uses the f word

That is called hypocrisy.

I would have to wonder why he doesn't appear to have any problem with the President's corrupt communication, which includes lying as well as cursing. The President is a self proclaimed Christian after all.

However, the President's bad behavior is no excuse for the rest of us.

You lie. What excuse do you have?

Refuting your nonsense isn't a lie no matter how much you might want it to be.

 

[MarcATL]

How do you know where they are from?

Who is a Christian? Who isn't a Christian? How long have they been Christian? What is their level of sanctification? Are they a born again Christian? Questions you need to ask before making judgments.

Did they just follow Him or were they converted?

James 3:8 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.

What judgement did I make Chuck? I'd like you to point that out.

Moreover, by you posting that particular text, are you advocating Christian cursing or suggesting that Scripture is or has given it some sort of "pass?"

Sidebar: Do you think that people who wear fake police uniforms are real police? What happens to people that are caught pretending to be police officers by actual law enforcement?

Marc,

If you don't like who comes to your door, do you have to open it? If a bird wants to make a nest in your hair, do you have to let them? I don't own this board so I'm not at liberty to do everything I want to or say everything I want to.

I got tired of Christian boards because they wouldn't stop some of the things that came on so I started my own and no one came. One of the people who did come used a lesser known word so I closed the board because I don't behave like that and I closed the board because I was the only one that was "perfect".

Should I give people some sort of "pass" because scripture does?

If I am outnumbered in a forum and if I am getting beat up in the forum, what relevance does someone play who is defending me? They are using language against people mocking Christians. They are defending me, right? The world's enemy is my friend because they are protecting me. Right?

If we judged self proclaimed Christians on a 50/50 scale by works and they used potty language, if they use profanity it could be that they are unsaved and not a Christian. Would you agree?

1 Corinthians 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

If I am not supposed to judge the world then why should I judge them for working for me and not against me?

Mark 9:40 For he that is not against us is on our part.

We didn't really solve the problem but if you are a Christian then maybe you can see it the way I see it.

Matthew 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

And yet there wasn't a prophet greater than John who said these things other than Jesus so if you want to condemn Christians for speech, you should be careful because if you are consistent, you might have to blame God:

Luke 7:28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.

What the disciples used was not profanity in my opinion but strong language. That is another subject in itself.

Matthew 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Matthew 23:16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!

Matthew 23:17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?

There is a lot more that I could say about the "tongue" and why James says that it is set on fire from hell.

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

I theorize (no real proof) that the supernatural world could be in us.

Chuck

OK, I think I see where you are coming from with this one.

 

[MarcATL]

It's the age old ploy...previously used against Jews by the Nazis. In order to close the churches, they must first criminalize believers.

Where have I, or anyone else for that matter, even attempted to criminalize believers?

 

[MarcATL]

Oh look, another thread where anti-christians use the religion thread to attack people for not adhering *properly* to a faith they themselves don't subscribe to.

Who told you that I'm anti-Christian?

I'm a Christian.

Then you should be looking real close to yourself,you don't act like one,your posts are always demeaning and accusatory,and basically very judgmental,hardly Christlike attributes.

Always? Isn't that a bit of a stretch to put it nicely?
In my assessment, the majority of my threads pose some sort of question.
They are largely observation based or responding to a major and/or underlying issue going on in the media at the given time.
A few may come off as accusatory or judgmental, however, I believe I keep those to a minimum. At least I try to.
We're all human...right?

 

[MarcATL]

Oh look, another thread where anti-christians use the religion thread to attack people for not adhering *properly* to a faith they themselves don't subscribe to.

Who told you that I'm anti-Christian?

I'm a Christian.

One would rightfully presume you to be a Muslim or an FOI member by the way you post as well as the fact of your Malcolm X avatar.

Not sure what FOI is.

And I'm sorry your hatred and rage for such a great man as Malcolm X is so overwhelming that it blinds you to how great a man he was, regardless of his religious beliefs.

 

[MarcATL]

Doesn't Scripture state "Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth?"

What's worse, is that many of them curse in the very "Religion and Ethics" threads, while discussing spiritual things.

It's as if they're demon-possessed.

Interestingly enough, the self-proclaimed Christians of USMB don't even call out the ones that do. They just let the curse words fly as if it's A-OK.

Why do you think that is? Are you guys co-signing on that type of behavior? Or is it something else I'm not aware of?

Please advise.

Have cussed only twice in threads, one was a quoted adage, the other I full-on lost my cool for a moment. But Scripturally speaking, words we consider now to be profanity aren't what's being forbidden in Scriptures.

Not as familar with NT texts so will limit my response to my own faith's book (oh if that only worked the other way as well hehe.)

Not to blaspheme (Ex. 22:27; in Christian texts, Ex. 22:28), the penalty for which is death (Lev. 24:16)
Not to profane G-d's name (Lev . 22:32)
Not to swear needlessly (Ex. 20:7)
Not to curse a judge (Ex. 22:27)

These and other commandments don't refer to English's 4-letter words. In ancient times, 'Don't curse a judge' meant it much more literally, as casting a spell onto them. And swearing needlessly, wasn't cussing but making a sacred promise of some sort.

You could perhaps make an arguement that prohibiting lashon hora "evil speech" would include modern and future cuss-words, but it'd get kinda iffy.

What would apply more readily is not hating your brother in your heart (Lev 19:17 think it is.)

If you say something you intend to hurt somoene's feelings you're breaking that oner egardless of the words used. But in and of themselves, 'cuss words' aren't breaking any commandment. It's more about your intent than the actual words.

I have to disagree with you slightly here Brother Delta.

Scripture does speak out against using profanity, which would include four letter words of any age. In fact, especially for four letter words of any age.

I've already posted a list of texts that covers that. Another poster also posted a similar list.

Check them out and you'll see for yourself.

 

[rdean]

We have children who are not food secure. Who have no health care and whose food stamps were cut. Those are all dirty words to me.

 

[Chuckt]

Doesn't Scripture state "Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth?"

What's worse, is that many of them curse in the very "Religion and Ethics" threads, while discussing spiritual things.

It's as if they're demon-possessed.

Interestingly enough, the self-proclaimed Christians of USMB don't even call out the ones that do. They just let the curse words fly as if it's A-OK.

Why do you think that is? Are you guys co-signing on that type of behavior? Or is it something else I'm not aware of?

Please advise.

Have cussed only twice in threads, one was a quoted adage, the other I full-on lost my cool for a moment. But Scripturally speaking, words we consider now to be profanity aren't what's being forbidden in Scriptures.

Because there weren't any curse words in Hebrew. They essentially had to make them up if there were.

 

[Mojo2]

Who told you that I'm anti-Christian?

I'm a Christian.

One would rightfully presume you to be a Muslim or an FOI member by the way you post as well as the fact of your Malcolm X avatar.

Not sure what FOI is.

And I'm sorry your hatred and rage for such a great man as Malcolm X is so overwhelming that it blinds you to how great a man he was, regardless of his religious beliefs.

Fruit of Islam.

The Fruit of Islam (FOI), or "Fruit" for short, is the male-only paramilitary wing of the Nation of Islam (NOI). The Fruit of Islam wear distinctive blue or white uniforms and caps and have units at all NOI temples. Louis Farrakhan, as head of the Nation of Islam, is commander-in-chief of the Fruit of Islam, and his son, Mustapha Farrakhan Sr, is second in command. The women's counterpart to the Fruit of Islam is Muslim Girls Training (MGT).

The Fruit of Islam draws its membership from male members in Nation of Islam temples. While NOI does not release membership figures, estimates for total membership in the NOI range from 10,000 to 50,000.[1]

Read his autobiography. Saw the film with Denzel. Attended religious services at a NOI mosque. Frequented the local bakery.

I recognize NOW what I didn't then.

Islam is an aggressive religion which stands as a clear and present threat to our own form of government and freedoms and is the complete antithesis of ANY other religion or form of government.

You may admire the man but don't EVEN try acting surprised that people think you are a Muslim or a Black Muslim (or a member of the Nation of Islam or NOI).

You knowingly INVITE the faulty assumption with the avatar and the content of your posts.

P.S. Are you a fanboi of the Pimp era Malcolm or the NOI era Malcolm or the post-Hajj era Malcolm? If he represents a step up for you, God bless you, Brother.

 

[Mojo2]

We have children who are not food secure. Who have no health care and whose food stamps were cut. Those are all dirty words to me.

And your posting helps alleviate those problems how?

 

[Papageorgio]

My OP already addresses this Chuck.

I'm referring to self-proclaimed Christians, particularly of USMB. Not the athiests in Europe, but the self proclaimed Christians of USMB.

Many of which I've observed using curse words...regularly.

If you haven't observed this, that's fine, you're still a newbie, or you may just be turning a blind eye to that sort of thing, but I'm telling you, it occurs.

Have you not cursed Marc? I believe you have used curse words on this very board. Also until now, I have not seen you utter anything about this. You are perceived as a very self righteous individual.

Also you are passing a judgement of Chuck, by accusing him of turning a blind eye.

Best to get the rafter out of your own eye.

What curse words have you observed me using sir?

You should have some handy based on your post.



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Look at about a dozen posts, damn was one of the words, don't have the time to look at all your baloney, plus you never addressed any of the other questions I had.

Have a good day.

 

[Papageorgio]

We have children who are not food secure. Who have no health care and whose food stamps were cut. Those are all dirty words to me.

So what are you doing personally to help with this problem?

Since it is so vile in your mind, you must be doing something day and night, night and day.

 

[koshergrl]

I was raised a Christian and know what Christian values are. I know the religion very well, and I know when someone who claims to be a Christian isn't acting like one.

Again, the hypocrisy.

You reject Christianity and yet maintain you know better than believers how they should behave in order to be *good* Christians..by people like you. Why should we adhere to the tenets YOU assign us, instead of those our faith dictates, pray tell?

Have you forgotten that all but one fall short of the power of God? Surely you understand the concept of "we are all sinners". Right?

 

[koshergrl]

What I notice is that anti-Christian loons REALLY object to the fact that Christians maintain that everybody sins.

They seem to believe that all their depraved behavior should be given a pass...but that all the sins of Christians should be held up as an example of how UN Christian they are.

Not only illogical, but sad, and hateful..hypocritical, and indicative of their innate belief that they are sin-free, just by the nature of their being...but everybody else is unworthy. Particularly if they dare to recognize sin and strive to avoid it.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Doesn't Scripture state "Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth?"

What's worse, is that many of them curse in the very "Religion and Ethics" threads, while discussing spiritual things.

It's as if they're demon-possessed.

Interestingly enough, the self-proclaimed Christians of USMB don't even call out the ones that do. They just let the curse words fly as if it's A-OK.

Why do you think that is? Are you guys co-signing on that type of behavior? Or is it something else I'm not aware of?

Please advise.

Have cussed only twice in threads, one was a quoted adage, the other I full-on lost my cool for a moment. But Scripturally speaking, words we consider now to be profanity aren't what's being forbidden in Scriptures.

Not as familar with NT texts so will limit my response to my own faith's book (oh if that only worked the other way as well hehe.)

Not to blaspheme (Ex. 22:27; in Christian texts, Ex. 22:28), the penalty for which is death (Lev. 24:16)
Not to profane G-d's name (Lev . 22:32)
Not to swear needlessly (Ex. 20:7)
Not to curse a judge (Ex. 22:27)

These and other commandments don't refer to English's 4-letter words. In ancient times, 'Don't curse a judge' meant it much more literally, as casting a spell onto them. And swearing needlessly, wasn't cussing but making a sacred promise of some sort.

You could perhaps make an arguement that prohibiting lashon hora "evil speech" would include modern and future cuss-words, but it'd get kinda iffy.

What would apply more readily is not hating your brother in your heart (Lev 19:17 think it is.)

If you say something you intend to hurt somoene's feelings you're breaking that oner egardless of the words used. But in and of themselves, 'cuss words' aren't breaking any commandment. It's more about your intent than the actual words.

I have to disagree with you slightly here Brother Delta.

Scripture does speak out against using profanity, which would include four letter words of any age. In fact, especially for four letter words of any age.

I've already posted a list of texts that covers that. Another poster also posted a similar list.

Check them out and you'll see for yourself.

Scriptural 'profanity' meant doing things which would profane a temple. Not 'profanity' as used today. They're completely different terms. Our profanity is more or less arbitraily chosen words. I could start using poop, tushy, and sex and over time they might become cuss words too yet obviously they're not. Same with shit, ass, and fuck. They're cuss words to us, but not words which can profane a religious site.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

What I notice is that anti-Christian loons REALLY object to the fact that Christians maintain that everybody sins.

They seem to believe that all their depraved behavior should be given a pass...but that all the sins of Christians should be held up as an example of how UN Christian they are.

Not only illogical, but sad, and hateful..hypocritical, and indicative of their innate belief that they are sin-free, just by the nature of their being...but everybody else is unworthy. Particularly if they dare to recognize sin and strive to avoid it.

Not everybody sins because not everybody belongs to a given religion with those sins. Further, even if we held everyone to the Noahide Commandments as the Tanach claims, with just 7 commandments, not everybody would be sinning.

People hold people of faith to a higher standard only when the members of a given faith are obviously breaking their own commandments.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

there is MORE than your one verse on it Chuck, look!

35 Bible Verses about Using Profanity




Colossians 3:8 ESV / 523 helpful votes

But now you must put them all away: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and obscene talk from your mouth.


Ephesians 4:29 ESV / 414 helpful votes

Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.


Matthew 15:10-11 ESV / 376 helpful votes

And he called the people to him and said to them, “Hear and understand: it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person.”


James 3:10 ESV / 292 helpful votes

From the same mouth come blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things ought not to be so.


Matthew 12:36-37 ESV / 289 helpful votes

I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak, for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”


Ephesians 5:4 ESV / 259 helpful votes

Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving.


James 3:6-8 ESV / 152 helpful votes

And the tongue is a fire, a world of unrighteousness. The tongue is set among our members, staining the whole body, setting on fire the entire course of life, and set on fire by hell. For every kind of beast and bird, of reptile and sea creature, can be tamed and has been tamed by mankind, but no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.


2 Timothy 2:16 ESV / 133 helpful votes

But avoid irreverent babble, for it will lead people into more and more ungodliness,


Proverbs 21:23 ESV / 129 helpful votes

Whoever keeps his mouth and his tongue keeps himself out of trouble.


Psalm 19:14 ESV / 86 helpful votes

Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in your sight, O Lord, my rock and my redeemer.


Matthew 5:37 ESV / 77 helpful votes

Let what you say be simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything more than this comes from evil.


Luke 6:45 ESV / 70 helpful votes

The good person out of the good treasure of his heart produces good, and the evil person out of his evil treasure produces evil, for out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks.


Romans 12:2 ESV / 66 helpful votes

Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.


Proverbs 4:24 ESV / 65 helpful votes

Put away from you crooked speech, and put devious talk far from you.


Psalm 141:3 ESV / 63 helpful votes

Set a guard, O Lord, over my mouth; keep watch over the door of my lips!


James 1:26 ESV / 62 helpful votes

If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless.


James 3:11-13 ESV / 59 helpful votes

Does a spring pour forth from the same opening both fresh and salt water? Can a fig tree, my brothers, bear olives, or a grapevine produce figs? Neither can a salt pond yield fresh water. Who is wise and understanding among you? By his good conduct let him show his works in the meekness of wisdom.


Proverbs 6:12 ESV / 59 helpful votes

A worthless person, a wicked man, goes about with crooked speech,


1 Timothy 4:12 ESV / 53 helpful votes

Let no one despise you for your youth, but set the believers an example in speech, in conduct, in love, in faith, in purity.


Colossians 4:6 ESV / 53 helpful votes

Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how you ought to answer each person.


Psalm 34:13-14 ESV / 49 helpful votes

Keep your tongue from evil and your lips from speaking deceit. Turn away from evil and do good; seek peace and pursue it.


Proverbs 10:31-32 ESV / 48 helpful votes

The mouth of the righteous brings forth wisdom, but the perverse tongue will be cut off. The lips of the righteous know what is acceptable, but the mouth of the wicked, what is perverse.


1 Corinthians 10:13 ESV / 43 helpful votes

No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.


Romans 12:21 ESV / 34 helpful votes

Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.


Psalm 10:7 ESV / 34 helpful votes

His mouth is filled with cursing and deceit and oppression; under his tongue are mischief and iniquity.


Titus 2:6-8 ESV / 32 helpful votes

Likewise, urge the younger men to be self-controlled. Show yourself in all respects to be a model of good works, and in your teaching show integrity, dignity, and sound speech that cannot be condemned, so that an opponent may be put to shame, having nothing evil to say about us.


Proverbs 8:13 ESV / 32 helpful votes

The fear of the Lord is hatred of evil. Pride and arrogance and the way of evil and perverted speech I hate.


Ecclesiastes 5:6 ESV / 31 helpful votes

Let not your mouth lead you into sin, and do not say before the messenger that it was a mistake. Why should God be angry at your voice and destroy the work of your hands?


James 4:7 ESV / 28 helpful votes

Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.


Philippians 4:8 ESV / 21 helpful votes

Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things.


Exodus 20:7 ESV / 21 helpful votes

“You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.


Proverbs 18:21 ESV / 17 helpful votes

Death and life are in the power of the tongue, and those who love it will eat its fruits.


Matthew 5:22 ESV / 13 helpful votes

But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.


Proverbs 31:26 ESV / 12 helpful votes

She opens her mouth with wisdom, and the teaching of kindness is on her tongue.


Proverbs 1:1-33 ESV / 9 helpful votes

The proverbs of Solomon, son of David, king of Israel: To know wisdom and instruction, to understand words of insight, to receive instruction in wise dealing, in righteousness, justice, and equity; to give prudence to the simple, knowledge and discretion to the youth— Let the wise hear and increase

Do you want me to jump all over you, or does me pointing out the silliness of Marc attempting to condemn Jesus suffice?

quantum, please show us where Jesus did the opposite of what the Bible teaches on this, as you stated.....as fact. Don't run, just show us...back up what you said please.

I didn't say Jesus did the opposite of what the Bible teaches, I said he does things you say the Bible tells people not to do. There is a significant difference between the two positions, one which many idiots have trouble understanding.

For example, Jesus actually reacted with anger and rage to people selling things, and beat the holy fuck out of them. (Matt 21:12) He also called people names (Matt 23:27) and even had the gall to tell them that their behavior was wrong.

Yet self righteous assholes who feel free to judge others while insisting that that the Bible prevents anyone from judging them, continue to misrepresent the teachings of Jesus because it facilitates there self importance. Don't let the fact that Marc pretends he read the Bible fool you.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I think you folks are sadly mistaken.

In either case, here's a list of Scriptural passages that speak against cursing, aka using profanity...

Colossians 3:8 - But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.

Ephesians 4:29 - Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

Ephesians 5:4 - Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.

Matthew 12:36-37
36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

2 Timothy 2:16 - But shun profane [and] vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

Proverbs 21:23 - Whoso keepeth his mouth and his tongue keepeth his soul from troubles.

Romans 12:2 - And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Psalms 19:14 - Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.

Matthew 5:37 - But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

Romans 12:21 - Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

Luke 6:45 - A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.

Colossians 4:6 - Let your speech [be] alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.

James 4:7 - Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

1 Timothy 4:12 - Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity.

I can think of examples of Jesus violating every single one of those, does that mean he was a self proclaimed Christian, or does it mean you are an idiot?

Please do so. Please provide examples of that which you claim.

Seems as if you're suggesting that Jesus used profanity. Are you? If so please provide the passages indicating as much.

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I am suggesting no such thing, I am stating outright that you are full of shit.