Why do the right struggle with the concept of hate crime ?

[Dadoalex]

Why not simply address the topic which is not about 2nd amendment but about crimes committed simply because of the race of the victi8m?

Exactly!
How many hate crimes are black perps attacking victims because they're white or Asian?

Some, I'm sure.
do you have a point beyond being a racist?

Some, I'm sure.

What should we do with those violent black racists?

The same as we should with murderous whitey.
Arrest, prosecute, imprison.

Why is this so complicated for you?

 

[Weatherman2020]

What is hate crime?

Find out how to identify the different types of hate crime and what you can do if you're a victim of hate crime.

www.met.police.uk

This is the argument -

If you are murdered then you are dead. The motivation is immaterial.

Which on the face of it is true. But incredibly simplistic and reflecting of a very limited view of the world.

Lets look at two murders and explain why it matters.

Murder 1 - Fred and Jim fall out over a business deal or a girl or a parking spot. Fred exercises his 2nd amendment right and blows Jims head off.

Murder 2 - Jim, a black guy, is walking through a "white" neighbourhood and is spotted by Fred. Fred is immediately alarmed and exercises his 2nd amendment right and blows Jims head off. Jim isnt doing anything, he is just the wrong person in the wrong place.

Which is the worse murder ?

Of course the 2nd one is the worst due to the randomness of the act. Murder 1 happened as a result of a specific set of circumstances that would be difficult to replicate. Murder 2 could happen at any time just because Fred hates black folks.

Im not sure if I can make it any simpler for you straw sucking shit kickers.

Show me a crime of love.

 

[Hellokitty]

What is hate crime?

Find out how to identify the different types of hate crime and what you can do if you're a victim of hate crime.

www.met.police.uk

This is the argument -

If you are murdered then you are dead. The motivation is immaterial.

Which on the face of it is true. But incredibly simplistic and reflecting of a very limited view of the world.

Lets look at two murders and explain why it matters.

Murder 1 - Fred and Jim fall out over a business deal or a girl or a parking spot. Fred exercises his 2nd amendment right and blows Jims head off.

Murder 2 - Jim, a black guy, is walking through a "white" neighbourhood and is spotted by Fred. Fred is immediately alarmed and exercises his 2nd amendment right and blows Jims head off. Jim isnt doing anything, he is just the wrong person in the wrong place.

Which is the worse murder ?

Of course the 2nd one is the worst due to the randomness of the act. Murder 1 happened as a result of a specific set of circumstances that would be difficult to replicate. Murder 2 could happen at any time just because Fred hates black folks.

Im not sure if I can make it any simpler for you straw sucking shit kickers.

Is Jim a black guy in Murder 1?

He might be. It doesnt really matter in this instance. Fred might be a black man in Murder 1,again it doesnt really matter in this instance.

Sure it does if Jim's a black guy the murder could be charged as a hate crime.

 

[GMCGeneral]

What is hate crime?

Find out how to identify the different types of hate crime and what you can do if you're a victim of hate crime.

www.met.police.uk

This is the argument -

If you are murdered then you are dead. The motivation is immaterial.

Which on the face of it is true. But incredibly simplistic and reflecting of a very limited view of the world.

Lets look at two murders and explain why it matters.

Murder 1 - Fred and Jim fall out over a business deal or a girl or a parking spot. Fred exercises his 2nd amendment right and blows Jims head off.

Murder 2 - Jim, a black guy, is walking through a "white" neighbourhood and is spotted by Fred. Fred is immediately alarmed and exercises his 2nd amendment right and blows Jims head off. Jim isnt doing anything, he is just the wrong person in the wrong place.

Which is the worse murder ?

Of course the 2nd one is the worst due to the randomness of the act. Murder 1 happened as a result of a specific set of circumstances that would be difficult to replicate. Murder 2 could happen at any time just because Fred hates black folks.

Im not sure if I can make it any simpler for you straw sucking shit kickers.

You absolutely fail to establish that murder is ever other than murder.

There are varying degrees of homicide from criminally negligent all the way up to 1st degree murder. But say for instance a defendant killed someone that justifies a manslaughter charge under normal circumstances, now gets bumped to Murder 2 because of "hate crime" laws. How just is that? Plus these supposed "enhancements" never favor whites, Conservatives, or even Evangelicals.

 

[meaner gene]

Read it again. The 2nd amendment give him the right to the motive, means and opportunity.

no it doesnt,, it only gives the means,, the rest is made up bullshit,, and it surely doesnt give anyone the right as stated in the OP,,

The 2nd amendment under recent interpretations adds not only the means but the opportunity. As open carry, and public carry, means it's perfectly legal to take that weapon, and it being legal in that persons presence.

Such as the guy in Colorado. The police couldn't have stopped him from going into the store with a loaded weapon.

2nd amendment.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

What is hate crime?

Find out how to identify the different types of hate crime and what you can do if you're a victim of hate crime.

www.met.police.uk

This is the argument -

If you are murdered then you are dead. The motivation is immaterial.

Which on the face of it is true. But incredibly simplistic and reflecting of a very limited view of the world.

Lets look at two murders and explain why it matters.

Murder 1 - Fred and Jim fall out over a business deal or a girl or a parking spot. Fred exercises his 2nd amendment right and blows Jims head off.

Murder 2 - Jim, a black guy, is walking through a "white" neighbourhood and is spotted by Fred. Fred is immediately alarmed and exercises his 2nd amendment right and blows Jims head off. Jim isnt doing anything, he is just the wrong person in the wrong place.

Which is the worse murder ?

Of course the 2nd one is the worst due to the randomness of the act. Murder 1 happened as a result of a specific set of circumstances that would be difficult to replicate. Murder 2 could happen at any time just because Fred hates black folks.

Im not sure if I can make it any simpler for you straw sucking shit kickers.

Is Jim a black guy in Murder 1?

He might be. It doesnt really matter in this instance. Fred might be a black man in Murder 1,again it doesnt really matter in this instance.

Sure it does if Jim's a black guy the murder could be charged as a hate crime.

Nope, not at all.
Why is it a hate crime ? They fell out over an issue not over skin colour. You misunderstand the basic nature of a hate crime.

 

[progressive hunter]

Read it again. The 2nd amendment give him the right to the motive, means and opportunity.

no it doesnt,, it only gives the means,, the rest is made up bullshit,, and it surely doesnt give anyone the right as stated in the OP,,

The 2nd amendment under recent interpretations adds not only the means but the opportunity. As open carry, and public carry, means it's perfectly legal to take that weapon, and it being legal in that persons presence.

Such as the guy in Colorado. The police couldn't have stopped him from going into the store with a loaded weapon.

2nd amendment.

wrong again,, I have hands so I could kill with those

opportunity means you had access to the victim not having a gun,,,

 

[there4eyeM]

"A hate crime is defined as 'Any criminal offence(sic) which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice based on a person's race or perceived race; religion or perceived religion; sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation; disability or perceived disability and any crime motivated by hostility or prejudice against a person who is transgender or perceived to be transgender.'" Quotation from the posted site.
"Perceived"? No one should be able to take this seriously.

 

[meaner gene]

If the justice system is truly just for the original murder charge, then there is no need for "hate crimes". One could argue that hate crimes should be considered unconstitutional based on double jeopardy.

As you pointed out. There are places where hate crimes don't produce murder convictions.

F. Lee Bailey explained Texas law back on an appearance on Johny Carson's tonight show. Explaining how killing a man who "deserved" killing wasn't considered a crime, while they hang horse thieves.

Bailey explained, that in Texas, there are men who deserve to be killed, rather than horses that deserve to be stolen.

 

[protectionist]

I obviously made it too complex for you.

Inanity and Insanity - both often "complex."

Could it be a hate scenario that you chose to talk about a white guy shooting a black guy, when you could just as easily spoke about a black guy shooting white guy ? If you can get off your high horse long enough, you might try thinking about that.

In fact the black on white USA murders would be the more relevant topic.
Here's why >

According to the most recent report of this kind ( the FBI’s Expanded Homicide data from 2018)

1. 8% of the reported murders of Black people were committed by white offenders (234).

2. 15.5% of the murders of white people were committed by Black offenders (514).

Note that blacks are only 13% of the US population, yet they kill twice as many whites, as the reverse.

 

[meaner gene]

There are varying degrees of homicide from criminally negligent all the way up to 1st degree murder. But say for instance a defendant killed someone that justifies a manslaughter charge under normal circumstances, now gets bumped to Murder 2 because of "hate crime" laws. How just is that?

A hate crime only gives another category of "premeditation"

 

[there4eyeM]

By the way, it is not only the "right" that struggles to understand this concept. Any rational person would struggle with it until the person finally realized its pure absurdity and just forgot about it.

 

[there4eyeM]

There are varying degrees of homicide from criminally negligent all the way up to 1st degree murder. But say for instance a defendant killed someone that justifies a manslaughter charge under normal circumstances, now gets bumped to Murder 2 because of "hate crime" laws. How just is that?

A hate crime only gives another category of "premeditation"

At the very most.

 

[progressive hunter]

There are varying degrees of homicide from criminally negligent all the way up to 1st degree murder. But say for instance a defendant killed someone that justifies a manslaughter charge under normal circumstances, now gets bumped to Murder 2 because of "hate crime" laws. How just is that?

A hate crime only gives another category of "premeditation"

wrong again,,
it gives another motive,,,

 

[JoeMoma]

As you pointed out. There are places where hate crimes don't produce murder convictions.

Where are those places? Is double jeopardy okay?

 

[meaner gene]

wrong again,, I have hands so I could kill with those

opportunity means you had access to the victim not having a gun,,,

You can't kill somebody with your hands from 6 feet away. Ironically coronavirus mandates come to the rescue.

 

[Hellokitty]

What is hate crime?

Find out how to identify the different types of hate crime and what you can do if you're a victim of hate crime.

www.met.police.uk

This is the argument -

If you are murdered then you are dead. The motivation is immaterial.

Which on the face of it is true. But incredibly simplistic and reflecting of a very limited view of the world.

Lets look at two murders and explain why it matters.

Murder 1 - Fred and Jim fall out over a business deal or a girl or a parking spot. Fred exercises his 2nd amendment right and blows Jims head off.

Murder 2 - Jim, a black guy, is walking through a "white" neighbourhood and is spotted by Fred. Fred is immediately alarmed and exercises his 2nd amendment right and blows Jims head off. Jim isnt doing anything, he is just the wrong person in the wrong place.

Which is the worse murder ?

Of course the 2nd one is the worst due to the randomness of the act. Murder 1 happened as a result of a specific set of circumstances that would be difficult to replicate. Murder 2 could happen at any time just because Fred hates black folks.

Im not sure if I can make it any simpler for you straw sucking shit kickers.

Is Jim a black guy in Murder 1?

He might be. It doesnt really matter in this instance. Fred might be a black man in Murder 1,again it doesnt really matter in this instance.

Sure it does if Jim's a black guy the murder could be charged as a hate crime.

Nope, not at all.
Why is it a hate crime ? They fell out over an issue not over skin colour. You misunderstand the basic nature of a hate crime.

I fully understand the nature of a hate crime. If Fred at anytime during his falling out with black Jim called him a racist slur or something someone else could view as racist, the murder could be charged as a hate crime. The problem with hate crime laws is they often require other to determine intent and they award unequal justice. In our example if murdered Jim is black Fred could face a harsher sentence. Fred should receive the same sentence for murder regardless of Jim's assigned at birth race.

 

[progressive hunter]

wrong again,, I have hands so I could kill with those

opportunity means you had access to the victim not having a gun,,,

You can't kill somebody with your hands from 6 feet away. Ironically coronavirus mandates come to the rescue.

nice deflection there,,,

my guess is youre starting to see how wrong you are,,

 

[JoeMoma]

wrong again,, I have hands so I could kill with those

opportunity means you had access to the victim not having a gun,,,

You can't kill somebody with your hands from 6 feet away. Ironically coronavirus mandates come to the rescue.

progressive hunter can, because he is a progressive hunter.

 

[meaner gene]

"Perceived"? No one should be able to take this seriously.

No different than when a christian was killed because they looked jewish.