Why does anyone care about slavery in America 153 years ago?

.... when most of what you purchase is made by slaves today?
How is it possible for people to lament so much about our slave history, when day after day they gleefully buy products basically made by slaves?
Today's slaves are not forced into labor, they are not bought and sold like 150 years ago.... but make no mistake about it - they exist everywhere. And you are wearing the results of their labor right now.
Did you know most slave owners in America paid their slaves? In many counties they were required by law to do so.
Is it not disingenuous to cry about slavery that existed 150+ years ago....and then consistently choose products made using slave wages?

It is simply easy. It is easy for about half of Americans and the rest of the world to pretend that America invented slavery and colonization and blame America for all those ills.=.

Its easy for an idiot like you to make stupid claims like above.

Why exactly are you trying to apologize for American slavery?

It was an evil institution that did exist- no reason to pretend it didn't or that it wasn't evil.

America didn't invent it or colonization- but we did both.


yes, a sad part of our history. But today dems are trying to bring it back up as a political wedge issue. Because they have nothing else to run on.


Funny because the usual ones I see bringing it up here are Right wing Confederate fanboy apologists.

Because in the end, Conservatives like yourself still miss the days when you could own your own African Americans.


totally wrong, like 99% of your posts. The left is trying to create a race war because its all they have left, all of their policies have failed, their leaders are incompetent and corrupt, and their socialist ideology has never worked anywhere in the world. So, what do you have left----------------race baiting, and even that is no longer working for you losers.
 
.... when most of what you purchase is made by slaves today?
How is it possible for people to lament so much about our slave history, when day after day they gleefully buy products basically made by slaves?
Today's slaves are not forced into labor, they are not bought and sold like 150 years ago.... but make no mistake about it - they exist everywhere. And you are wearing the results of their labor right now.
Did you know most slave owners in America paid their slaves? In many counties they were required by law to do so.
Is it not disingenuous to cry about slavery that existed 150+ years ago....and then consistently choose products made using slave wages?

It is simply easy. It is easy for about half of Americans and the rest of the world to pretend that America invented slavery and colonization and blame America for all those ills.=.

Its easy for an idiot like you to make stupid claims like above.

Why exactly are you trying to apologize for American slavery?

It was an evil institution that did exist- no reason to pretend it didn't or that it wasn't evil.

America didn't invent it or colonization- but we did both.


yes, a sad part of our history. But today dems are trying to bring it back up as a political wedge issue. Because they have nothing else to run on.


Funny because the usual ones I see bringing it up here are Right wing Confederate fanboy apologists.

Because in the end, Conservatives like yourself still miss the days when you could own your own African Americans.


totally wrong, like 99% of your posts. The left is trying to create a race war because its all they have left, all of their policies have failed, their leaders are incompetent and corrupt, and their socialist ideology has never worked anywhere in the world. So, what do you have left----------------race baiting, and even that is no longer working for you losers.

yeah... except I am not a liberal.
If 99% of my post are wrong, then it would be conservatives that are what you describe
 
The government can't sell your son to another family when he is 5. A man with guns cannot legally rape your wife (or husband). You are not considered 3/5 of a person with no right to vote. You are not legally prohibited from sitting in certain parts of a restaurant or using a certain bathroom or water fountain because of your color.

What you are describing may be too much government intervention, but it is not slavery.

LOL, if one has no idea what the 3/5ths clause meant one shouldn't talk about it.
LOL. It was for the census and representation in Congress, wasn't it? Because in some southern states there were actually more blacks than whites and they of course could not vote? Which would give them an unfair advantage over states that did not have so many slaves?

If you know you can understand that it would have given the South control over congress. Talk about it correctly or don't talk about it all. Was it fair to blacks? No, but it kept their owners from gaining and controlling the power.
A tangential argument having almost nothing to do with the main ideas of this thread. You got something a little more on point to say, now that you got that out of your system?

So what would you call it then?
And how is it not a global disgrace that people knowingly buy products every single day made using said labor?
And how do you bring about awareness?
It is true, modern slaves are not owned. But they are absolutely forced into labor. Read about it.
Read about Foxconn, the worlds largest electronics manufacturer.
The concrete bunkers they keep their workers in have chain nets around the whole building to catch people trying to kill themselves. 13 suicides in one year at one factory.
How is this not slave labor?
And is it useful to argue that semantic instead of concentrating on how globalism and corporatism is using this labor to enrich themselves and put people out of jobs all over the world?

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Yes, Iam, people have been forced to work long hours and sacrifice their leisure and their happiness, and have sometimes lived short brutish lives in order to feed themselves long enough to survive for awhile. Whether that was when they were wrenching their crops from the soil or when they were working for pennies paid by a greedy corporatist, it is the way this world works. It sucks, but it is not slavery, anymore than shutting down hate speech groups off Facebook is Nazi fascist.
 
It is simply easy. It is easy for about half of Americans and the rest of the world to pretend that America invented slavery and colonization and blame America for all those ills.=.

Its easy for an idiot like you to make stupid claims like above.

Why exactly are you trying to apologize for American slavery?

It was an evil institution that did exist- no reason to pretend it didn't or that it wasn't evil.

America didn't invent it or colonization- but we did both.


yes, a sad part of our history. But today dems are trying to bring it back up as a political wedge issue. Because they have nothing else to run on.


Funny because the usual ones I see bringing it up here are Right wing Confederate fanboy apologists.

Because in the end, Conservatives like yourself still miss the days when you could own your own African Americans.


totally wrong, like 99% of your posts. The left is trying to create a race war because its all they have left, all of their policies have failed, their leaders are incompetent and corrupt, and their socialist ideology has never worked anywhere in the world. So, what do you have left----------------race baiting, and even that is no longer working for you losers.

yeah... except I am not a liberal.
If 99% of my post are wrong, then it would be conservatives that are what you describe


my comment was directed to syrously, not you.
 
Its easy for an idiot like you to make stupid claims like above.

Why exactly are you trying to apologize for American slavery?

It was an evil institution that did exist- no reason to pretend it didn't or that it wasn't evil.

America didn't invent it or colonization- but we did both.


yes, a sad part of our history. But today dems are trying to bring it back up as a political wedge issue. Because they have nothing else to run on.


Funny because the usual ones I see bringing it up here are Right wing Confederate fanboy apologists.

Because in the end, Conservatives like yourself still miss the days when you could own your own African Americans.


totally wrong, like 99% of your posts. The left is trying to create a race war because its all they have left, all of their policies have failed, their leaders are incompetent and corrupt, and their socialist ideology has never worked anywhere in the world. So, what do you have left----------------race baiting, and even that is no longer working for you losers.

yeah... except I am not a liberal.
If 99% of my post are wrong, then it would be conservatives that are what you describe


my comment was directed to syrously, not you.

Caught by the quote chain again.... I hate that feature.
 
LOL, if one has no idea what the 3/5ths clause meant one shouldn't talk about it.
LOL. It was for the census and representation in Congress, wasn't it? Because in some southern states there were actually more blacks than whites and they of course could not vote? Which would give them an unfair advantage over states that did not have so many slaves?

If you know you can understand that it would have given the South control over congress. Talk about it correctly or don't talk about it all. Was it fair to blacks? No, but it kept their owners from gaining and controlling the power.
A tangential argument having almost nothing to do with the main ideas of this thread. You got something a little more on point to say, now that you got that out of your system?

So what would you call it then?
And how is it not a global disgrace that people knowingly buy products every single day made using said labor?
And how do you bring about awareness?
It is true, modern slaves are not owned. But they are absolutely forced into labor. Read about it.
Read about Foxconn, the worlds largest electronics manufacturer.
The concrete bunkers they keep their workers in have chain nets around the whole building to catch people trying to kill themselves. 13 suicides in one year at one factory.
How is this not slave labor?
And is it useful to argue that semantic instead of concentrating on how globalism and corporatism is using this labor to enrich themselves and put people out of jobs all over the world?

View attachment 211320
Yes, Iam, people have been forced to work long hours and sacrifice their leisure and their happiness, and have sometimes lived short brutish lives in order to feed themselves long enough to survive for awhile. Whether that was when they were wrenching their crops from the soil or when they were working for pennies paid by a greedy corporatist, it is the way this world works. It sucks, but it is not slavery, anymore than shutting down hate speech groups off Facebook is Nazi fascist.


banning free speech is fascist, no matter how offensive the speech may be to you and me
 
LOL, if one has no idea what the 3/5ths clause meant one shouldn't talk about it.
LOL. It was for the census and representation in Congress, wasn't it? Because in some southern states there were actually more blacks than whites and they of course could not vote? Which would give them an unfair advantage over states that did not have so many slaves?

If you know you can understand that it would have given the South control over congress. Talk about it correctly or don't talk about it all. Was it fair to blacks? No, but it kept their owners from gaining and controlling the power.
A tangential argument having almost nothing to do with the main ideas of this thread. You got something a little more on point to say, now that you got that out of your system?

So what would you call it then?
And how is it not a global disgrace that people knowingly buy products every single day made using said labor?
And how do you bring about awareness?
It is true, modern slaves are not owned. But they are absolutely forced into labor. Read about it.
Read about Foxconn, the worlds largest electronics manufacturer.
The concrete bunkers they keep their workers in have chain nets around the whole building to catch people trying to kill themselves. 13 suicides in one year at one factory.
How is this not slave labor?
And is it useful to argue that semantic instead of concentrating on how globalism and corporatism is using this labor to enrich themselves and put people out of jobs all over the world?

View attachment 211320
Yes, Iam, people have been forced to work long hours and sacrifice their leisure and their happiness, and have sometimes lived short brutish lives in order to feed themselves long enough to survive for awhile. Whether that was when they were wrenching their crops from the soil or when they were working for pennies paid by a greedy corporatist, it is the way this world works. It sucks, but it is not slavery, anymore than shutting down hate speech groups off Facebook is Nazi fascist.

You didn't read about Foxconn did you?
I encourage you to.
Built purposefully in the middle of nowhere, it is a city. A large city where every person living in these massive concrete bunkers work only for Foxconn. At best estimate they have nearly 500,000 "employees".
Working 12 - 16 hour days.
Armed guards.
Patrol floor guards that publicly humiliate and harass workers who they see not working when they walk buy.
High security fences surrounds the entire city, with armed guards to keep people out.
If you want to quit working there, you lose everything. You will leave with nothing. No transportation provided to the outside world.

Not slavery?
 
LOL. It was for the census and representation in Congress, wasn't it? Because in some southern states there were actually more blacks than whites and they of course could not vote? Which would give them an unfair advantage over states that did not have so many slaves?

If you know you can understand that it would have given the South control over congress. Talk about it correctly or don't talk about it all. Was it fair to blacks? No, but it kept their owners from gaining and controlling the power.
A tangential argument having almost nothing to do with the main ideas of this thread. You got something a little more on point to say, now that you got that out of your system?

So what would you call it then?
And how is it not a global disgrace that people knowingly buy products every single day made using said labor?
And how do you bring about awareness?
It is true, modern slaves are not owned. But they are absolutely forced into labor. Read about it.
Read about Foxconn, the worlds largest electronics manufacturer.
The concrete bunkers they keep their workers in have chain nets around the whole building to catch people trying to kill themselves. 13 suicides in one year at one factory.
How is this not slave labor?
And is it useful to argue that semantic instead of concentrating on how globalism and corporatism is using this labor to enrich themselves and put people out of jobs all over the world?

View attachment 211320
Yes, Iam, people have been forced to work long hours and sacrifice their leisure and their happiness, and have sometimes lived short brutish lives in order to feed themselves long enough to survive for awhile. Whether that was when they were wrenching their crops from the soil or when they were working for pennies paid by a greedy corporatist, it is the way this world works. It sucks, but it is not slavery, anymore than shutting down hate speech groups off Facebook is Nazi fascist.


banning free speech is fascist, no matter how offensive the speech may be to you and me

Fascist making a decision not to allow certain clients is less 'banning of free speech' than the use of non-disclosure agreements to prevent free speech by employees as the Trump campaign and administration are doing.

If you are morally opposed to what FB is doing- I am sure you are also appalled by the use of NDA's to prevent 'free speech' by Trump and Company.
 
.... when most of what you purchase is made by slaves today?
How is it possible for people to lament so much about our slave history, when day after day they gleefully buy products basically made by slaves?
Today's slaves are not forced into labor, they are not bought and sold like 150 years ago.... but make no mistake about it - they exist everywhere. And you are wearing the results of their labor right now.
Did you know most slave owners in America paid their slaves? In many counties they were required by law to do so.
Is it not disingenuous to cry about slavery that existed 150+ years ago....and then consistently choose products made using slave wages?

It is simply easy. It is easy for about half of Americans and the rest of the world to pretend that America invented slavery and colonization and blame America for all those ills.=.

Its easy for an idiot like you to make stupid claims like above.

Why exactly are you trying to apologize for American slavery?

It was an evil institution that did exist- no reason to pretend it didn't or that it wasn't evil.

America didn't invent it or colonization- but we did both.


yes, a sad part of our history. But today dems are trying to bring it back up as a political wedge issue. Because they have nothing else to run on.


Funny because the usual ones I see bringing it up here are Right wing Confederate fanboy apologists.

Because in the end, Conservatives like yourself still miss the days when you could own your own African Americans.


totally wrong, like 99% of your posts. The left is trying to create a race war because its all they have left,.

And again- the ones who keep bringing up race are you contards, in your attempt to convince minorities that they are 'enslaved' by the Democrats- even though of course- they are the Democrats. You contards are the ones who keep promoting the lie that only non-whites are racists and the lily white Republican Party is of course composed entirely of non-racists while the entire Democrat Party is full of racists.

Because that kind of race politics has worked with your base- the scared Conservative white men who feel threatened by those who don't look like themselves.
 
The government can't sell your son to another family when he is 5. A man with guns cannot legally rape your wife (or husband). You are not considered 3/5 of a person with no right to vote. You are not legally prohibited from sitting in certain parts of a restaurant or using a certain bathroom or water fountain because of your color.

What you are describing may be too much government intervention, but it is not slavery.

LOL, if one has no idea what the 3/5ths clause meant one shouldn't talk about it.
LOL. It was for the census and representation in Congress, wasn't it? Because in some southern states there were actually more blacks than whites and they of course could not vote? Which would give them an unfair advantage over states that did not have so many slaves?

If you know you can understand that it would have given the South control over congress. Talk about it correctly or don't talk about it all. Was it fair to blacks? No, but it kept their owners from gaining and controlling the power.
A tangential argument having almost nothing to do with the main ideas of this thread. You got something a little more on point to say, now that you got that out of your system?

So what would you call it then?
And how is it not a global disgrace that people knowingly buy products every single day made using said labor?
And how do you bring about awareness?
It is true, modern slaves are not owned. But they are absolutely forced into labor. Read about it.
Read about Foxconn, the worlds largest electronics manufacturer.
The concrete bunkers they keep their workers in have chain nets around the whole building to catch people trying to kill themselves. 13 suicides in one year at one factory.
How is this not slave labor?
And is it useful to argue that semantic instead of concentrating on how globalism and corporatism is using this labor to enrich themselves and put people out of jobs all over the world?

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How is this not slave labor?

See unlike yourself I have actually been to factories in China and have seen first hand the conditions there- and the alternatives.

First of all some inconvenient facts
  • 20 years ago it really was pretty much slave labor in many Chinese factories- workers needed internal passports/work permits to work and factories would hold onto such documents to prevent workers from leaving. Dormitories were common and required.
  • 20 years of Western influence and growth have changed things.
  • Exploitation of workers made the news and whether you believe it or not- Western companies- American, European, Canadian- started social responsibility programs to bring things up to minimum standards- it didn't happen overnight- but pushed to eliminate child labor and prison labor- pushed to eliminate abuses which prevented workers from voluntarily leaving companies- and to get companies to follow the law in paying overtime.
  • Frankly now- most of which you think is happening at Foxxcon is not happening in China. Most factories I have gone to in the last 3 years don't house workers in factories. Most pay their workers legal wages(though many still try to cheat on overtime).
  • Competition for workers has caused much of this- there are extensive local labor shortages in China and factories have to compete not only with other factories- but with retail- as one factory manager told me- kids prefer to work in a shop for less pay than at a factory.
  • Oh- and if you want to see the really big difference- 20 years ago factory parking lots basically would have 2-5 cars(the owners and their hired cars) and hundreds of bicycles. Now factory parking lots have lots of cars, tons of motorized scooters owned by their more affluent workers.
I wouldn't want to work at most of these factories- factory work is tedious and conditions are often uncomfortable- hot and humid in the summer, cold in the winter- but I have never been to a factory in the last 5 years that I would consider to be anything like 'slave labor'

And I have seen the alternatives- the reason why these people work in factories is generally that they grew up on farms and have few skills. The alternative to working 10-12 hours a day, 6 days a week for low wages in a factory- is working 10-12 hours a day 7 days a week for virtually no wages- on the family farm.
 
A really, really, really shitty analogy.

There is a YUGE difference between chattel slavery and economic servitude.

Learn it. Meanwhile, this thread's premise is a pile of shit.

Guilty conscience eh?
Obviously today's slaves are not like slaves throughout the world in every nations past.
But that doesn't mean they don't still exist. They exist everywhere.
Working 16 hour days, many 6 days a week, some 7... no benefits of any kind... living in 300-400 sq ft concrete bunkers (and they are the lucky ones) making wages that barely-barely covers just the amount needed to buy meager groceries.... IS slave labor.
No, actually it isn't. Unless one wants to redefine a term in order to promote an agenda.
 
It is simply easy. It is easy for about half of Americans and the rest of the world to pretend that America invented slavery and colonization and blame America for all those ills.=.

Its easy for an idiot like you to make stupid claims like above.

Why exactly are you trying to apologize for American slavery?

It was an evil institution that did exist- no reason to pretend it didn't or that it wasn't evil.

America didn't invent it or colonization- but we did both.


yes, a sad part of our history. But today dems are trying to bring it back up as a political wedge issue. Because they have nothing else to run on.


Funny because the usual ones I see bringing it up here are Right wing Confederate fanboy apologists.

Because in the end, Conservatives like yourself still miss the days when you could own your own African Americans.


totally wrong, like 99% of your posts. The left is trying to create a race war because its all they have left,.

And again- the ones who keep bringing up race are you contards, in your attempt to convince minorities that they are 'enslaved' by the Democrats- even though of course- they are the Democrats. You contards are the ones who keep promoting the lie that only non-whites are racists and the lily white Republican Party is of course composed entirely of non-racists while the entire Democrat Party is full of racists.

Because that kind of race politics has worked with your base- the scared Conservative white men who feel threatened by those who don't look like themselves.


who keeps bringing up slavery? you fools on the left.

black and Hispanic unemployment today is the lowest in history. I think it would be accurate to say that Trump has saved minorities from the slavery of the welfare system.
 
IMHO, more to the REAL point is....


Why does anyone care about BLACK slavery in America 153 years ago?

** Blacks were not the only slaves. There were Irish/non-black 'slaves', also referred to as indentured servants' who also lived in harsh conditions and worked for their 'masters'.

It was wrong, it was an atrocity....yup, got it, and I don't agree.

Do Liberals think blacks are the only ones who got a 'raw deal'? Or do they think blacks are just the only ones who deserve to be compensated for getting screwed?

'Americans' engaged in near genocide, actually making it legal at one point, to kill a native American on sight...punishment for being on OUR land before we got here and refusing to give it all up.

The Irish, Chinese, and others got treated like crap when they were abused for their labor in building the railroads

Then there's the Japanese Internment Camps during WWII....


There are STILL Democrats pushing the latest 'Compensation' bill calling for reparations to be paid for slavery.

NEWSFLASH. There is not one person who was ever a slave alive today.
-- How about we agree to pay the 30 acres and a mule to any slave who did not received them, as promised when they were freed...anyone who used to be a slave who shows up gets it?!

The idea of compensating today's blacks for something that did not even happen to THEM is as ridiculous as the idea of giving an illegal alien tax-payer funded food stamps, welfare, unemployment, etc....

The US government can't even afford to pay the people they DO realistically / legally owe and will owe - Social Security recipients / future recipients....so do you really want to create more reasons to give out free money so the social programs / social security will go bankrupt faster?

If you give money to blacks who were never slaves reparations for slavery, then I want my reparations for my ancestors who got screwed out of their land and was forced to walk the Trail of Tears. The Japanese will l/ should follow suit and file for reparations for the Internment Camps.....then Syrian 'refugees' will demand to be paid 'reparations' for being destitute and homeless due to Obama illegally invading Syria...


I think all this is actually covered under the terms and conditions of LIFE, specifically the part that states, "SHIT HAPPENS!"

It sucks. Our job is to try to make sure it never happens again...but demanding reparations for something that happened so long ago is just, IMHO, someone trying to get free $$$ for Nothing...
 
Nobody does since slave owners were lazy spineless people. Instead of paying they used fear to control their workers. Truly classless. This coming from a white guy.
 

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