Why does the Bible have authority?

[Avatar4321]

And yet their were still prophets in the new testament church after Christs assension. And you are still ignoring pauls statements that we are to have apostles and prophets until we come to a unity of faith.

if you haven't noticed, we don't have unity.

even John prophesied of two prophets defending Jerusalem in the last days right before Christ returns. To say that prophets have ceased is to ignore the new testament.

ill share a secret with you. The Lord is calling us all to be prophets. Moses wanted all of Israel to be prophets. In fact, we are all expected to seek out the spirit of prophecy. We are to learn to receive revelation for ourselves in our own lives.

the age of prophets hasn't ended. It's just about to become a golden age for prophets.

 

[norwegen]

I don't understand how it is given more weight than other religious texts from other religions.

thank God it is since the Bible is the basis of Western Civilization without which you would have Hitler Stalin Mao and ISIS.

Do you understand?

The Bible was the basis for monarchs in Europe to claim absolute authority as their divine right.

Who decided God was wrong about that?

NYC shows up again to prove what an ignoramus he is.

The Bible was the justification for LIMITING the absolute authority of the monarchy, and the eventual establishment of democracy.

But that's okay. Nobody expects more from you.

This is closer to the truth. In England, the ecclesiastical and civil states had essentially become one and the same, even rejecting the Pope so the King could head the church. Everyone was taxed to pay tribute to the church, and dissent from Anglicanism could be considered as much treason as it was heresy.

The monarchs did not base their behavior on biblical precepts. Their demands were entirely arbitrary.

A few brave souls did end up dissenting, however, some migrating to the New World in order to recover the pure and unencumbered church of Jesus Christ and His apostles. For a century and a half, the Calvinism of the Puritans proved a lasting and powerful force in America, being present even at its founding and at the creation of its limited government.

 

[Gadawg73]

Founders of this country ran from religion and based our Constitution on classical Greek and Roman societies during a time when we were struggling and had a war with Great Britain, a country same as all other states in Europe that was based and run by the church and religious teachings. We ran from that shit like a monkey on fire.

 

[guno]

I would like to ask you a Simple question, maybe you've heard it before. The Bible is the primary source of Christian knowledge, some Christians take it literally, others don't, some pick and choose.
But what gives it its authority?
It seems to me that the authority of the Bible is given by itself, which makes no sense to me. It says it's the word of God, therefore it is? I don't understand how it is given more weight than other religious texts from other religions.
Does Bible have a weight in our life?

 

[guno]

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[Mr.Right]

Founders of this country ran from religion and based our Constitution on classical Greek and Roman societies during a time when we were struggling and had a war with Great Britain, a country same as all other states in Europe that was based and run by the church and religious teachings. We ran from that shit like a monkey on fire.

Incorrect. They did not run away from religion. They ran away from religious tyranny. You do appreciate the difference, right?

 

[Derideo_Te]

Founders of this country ran from religion and based our Constitution on classical Greek and Roman societies during a time when we were struggling and had a war with Great Britain, a country same as all other states in Europe that was based and run by the church and religious teachings. We ran from that shit like a monkey on fire.

Incorrect. They did not run away from religion. They ran away from religious tyranny. You do appreciate the difference, right?

And now people like you are trying to impose religious tyranny on this nation.

 

[Mr.Right]

Founders of this country ran from religion and based our Constitution on classical Greek and Roman societies during a time when we were struggling and had a war with Great Britain, a country same as all other states in Europe that was based and run by the church and religious teachings. We ran from that shit like a monkey on fire.

Incorrect. They did not run away from religion. They ran away from religious tyranny. You do appreciate the difference, right?

And now people like you are trying to impose religious tyranny on this nation.

That's your opinion. What I see is people of faith wanting the government to leave them in peace, so that they can worship God as they see fit. If you see that as religious tyranny, then there is something wrong with you.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Founders of this country ran from religion and based our Constitution on classical Greek and Roman societies during a time when we were struggling and had a war with Great Britain, a country same as all other states in Europe that was based and run by the church and religious teachings. We ran from that shit like a monkey on fire.

Incorrect. They did not run away from religion. They ran away from religious tyranny. You do appreciate the difference, right?

And now people like you are trying to impose religious tyranny on this nation.

That's your opinion. What I see is people of faith wanting the government to leave them in peace, so that they can worship God as they see fit. If you see that as religious tyranny, then there is something wrong with you.

BZZZT Wrong!

What you are doing in Indiana and Arkansas is trying give Christians "special rights" that put them "above the law". Too bad that is unconstitutional and you are going to lose.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

I would like to ask you a Simple question, maybe you've heard it before. The Bible is the primary source of Christian knowledge, some Christians take it literally, others don't, some pick and choose.
But what gives it its authority?
It seems to me that the authority of the Bible is given by itself, which makes no sense to me. It says it's the word of God, therefore it is? I don't understand how it is given more weight than other religious texts from other religions.
Does Bible have a weight in our life?

The first Bibles were compiled by the Catholic Church. The church had the authority not the book. Rarely did they ever wave a Bible in the air and say you're condemned because this says that. Over the centuries as RCC power waned, and new major denominations came about, authority one wielded by the church was given back to the book. Unfortunately, the only Bibles then were made from the earliest RCC canons.

As in Talmudic Judaism (99%+ of what is Judaism today) the authority was taken away from Torah and given to the rabbinate, by yes you guessed it, the rabbinate. So it's probably the same thing in Christianity. Clergy give themselves authority to "interpret" Scripture in judgement.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

And yet their were still prophets in the new testament church after Christs assension. And you are still ignoring pauls statements that we are to have apostles and prophets until we come to a unity of faith.

if you haven't noticed, we don't have unity.

even John prophesied of two prophets defending Jerusalem in the last days right before Christ returns. To say that prophets have ceased is to ignore the new testament.

ill share a secret with you. The Lord is calling us all to be prophets. Moses wanted all of Israel to be prophets. In fact, we are all expected to seek out the spirit of prophecy. We are to learn to receive revelation for ourselves in our own lives.

the age of prophets hasn't ended. It's just about to become a golden age for prophets.

This doesn't actually help your argument because you haven't refuted the point that the age of prophets is fulfilled in Christ as clearly indicated in the first two verses of Hebrews. You just did a word search on prophets without any real understanding of the role they play, or as the case may be, don't play in the New Covenant.

The only point you come close on is the Lord calling us all to be prophets if it's understood that it's a gift for everyone. A prophet of the Old Testament represented God to the people, but today we are all part of a "royal priesthood" as stated in the epistle of St. Peter. Moses expressed a desire that all the people be prophets, something I alluded to but you seemed to miss. God wanted to interact directly with his people, but his people rejected his offer, preferring instead that Moses represent him.

In the case of the LDS church founder Joseph Smith, he called himself a prophet in exactly the sense that we're discussing here, a special representative of God, which doesn't exist in the New Covenant. "Call no man on earth your father" is something you seem to ignore, that in Christ all are equal and nobody's special except in the sense we all are "called out of darkness and into his marvelous light."

I do suspect you are Mormon. They are unique in insisting that the age of prophets still endures to this day.

 

[indiajo]

The Bible has the same authority as To Kill A Mockingbird, and she was a much better writer with far better editors. The Bible BTW, gave us the Dark Ages and the Crusades, not things to be proud of...

You are right. The crusades were miserably organized and the performance was ridiculous.
Whereas they were absolutely justified, otherwise YOU would bang your head on the floor five times a day and your wife would be a black moving object.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

I don't understand how it is given more weight than other religious texts from other religions.

thank God it is since the Bible is the basis of Western Civilization without which you would have Hitler Stalin Mao and ISIS.

Do you understand?

The Bible was the basis for monarchs in Europe to claim absolute authority as their divine right.

Who decided God was wrong about that?

NYC shows up again to prove what an ignoramus he is.

The Bible was the justification for LIMITING the absolute authority of the monarchy, and the eventual establishment of democracy.

But that's okay. Nobody expects more from you.

This is closer to the truth. In England, the ecclesiastical and civil states had essentially become one and the same, even rejecting the Pope so the King could head the church. Everyone was taxed to pay tribute to the church, and dissent from Anglicanism could be considered as much treason as it was heresy.

The monarchs did not base their behavior on biblical precepts. Their demands were entirely arbitrary.

A few brave souls did end up dissenting, however, some migrating to the New World in order to recover the pure and unencumbered church of Jesus Christ and His apostles. For a century and a half, the Calvinism of the Puritans proved a lasting and powerful force in America, being present even at its founding and at the creation of its limited government.

And the dissent happened long before the voyage to the New World. The Catholics in Ireland and Scotland stubbornly refused to submit to the Anglican "church", and such obstinate defiance was the cause of massive persecution. Christians of all stripes were oppressed by Satan's "church" (who by the way were the first to call themselves "protestants") and that war continued well into the 20th century, with Anglicans exerting control of government to continue to oppress Catholics which is why there were such strong and sometimes even violent contentions until the 1980's.

But Christ said he will build his Church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it, and this is just one of many examples where the forces of Satan prevailed not against the people of God.

 

[Avatar4321]

And yet their were still prophets in the new testament church after Christs assension. And you are still ignoring pauls statements that we are to have apostles and prophets until we come to a unity of faith.

if you haven't noticed, we don't have unity.

even John prophesied of two prophets defending Jerusalem in the last days right before Christ returns. To say that prophets have ceased is to ignore the new testament.

ill share a secret with you. The Lord is calling us all to be prophets. Moses wanted all of Israel to be prophets. In fact, we are all expected to seek out the spirit of prophecy. We are to learn to receive revelation for ourselves in our own lives.

the age of prophets hasn't ended. It's just about to become a golden age for prophets.

This doesn't actually help your argument because you haven't refuted the point that the age of prophets is fulfilled in Christ as clearly indicated in the first two verses of Hebrews. You just did a word search on prophets without any real understanding of the role they play, or as the case may be, don't play in the New Covenant.

The only point you come close on is the Lord calling us all to be prophets if it's understood that it's a gift for everyone. A prophet of the Old Testament represented God to the people, but today we are all part of a "royal priesthood" as stated in the epistle of St. Peter. Moses expressed a desire that all the people be prophets, something I alluded to but you seemed to miss. God wanted to interact directly with his people, but his people rejected his offer, preferring instead that Moses represent him.

In the case of the LDS church founder Joseph Smith, he called himself a prophet in exactly the sense that we're discussing here, a special representative of God, which doesn't exist in the New Covenant. "Call no man on earth your father" is something you seem to ignore, that in Christ all are equal and nobody's special except in the sense we all are "called out of darkness and into his marvelous light."

I do suspect you are Mormon. They are unique in insisting that the age of prophets still endures to this day.

That's because we believe the new testament and don't conveniently ignore it to try to explain away why God isn't communicating with our church. Precisely because He still is.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Founders of this country ran from religion and based our Constitution on classical Greek and Roman societies during a time when we were struggling and had a war with Great Britain, a country same as all other states in Europe that was based and run by the church and religious teachings. We ran from that shit like a monkey on fire.

"Ran from religion"? Are you deliberately deceiving or just stupid? The people who came to this country starting in the 17th century were very religious, and religion was prevalent nigh to being an inescapable construct of the New World. Only a complete ass or a liar would suggest otherwise.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

And yet their were still prophets in the new testament church after Christs assension. And you are still ignoring pauls statements that we are to have apostles and prophets until we come to a unity of faith.

if you haven't noticed, we don't have unity.

even John prophesied of two prophets defending Jerusalem in the last days right before Christ returns. To say that prophets have ceased is to ignore the new testament.

ill share a secret with you. The Lord is calling us all to be prophets. Moses wanted all of Israel to be prophets. In fact, we are all expected to seek out the spirit of prophecy. We are to learn to receive revelation for ourselves in our own lives.

the age of prophets hasn't ended. It's just about to become a golden age for prophets.

This doesn't actually help your argument because you haven't refuted the point that the age of prophets is fulfilled in Christ as clearly indicated in the first two verses of Hebrews. You just did a word search on prophets without any real understanding of the role they play, or as the case may be, don't play in the New Covenant.

The only point you come close on is the Lord calling us all to be prophets if it's understood that it's a gift for everyone. A prophet of the Old Testament represented God to the people, but today we are all part of a "royal priesthood" as stated in the epistle of St. Peter. Moses expressed a desire that all the people be prophets, something I alluded to but you seemed to miss. God wanted to interact directly with his people, but his people rejected his offer, preferring instead that Moses represent him.

In the case of the LDS church founder Joseph Smith, he called himself a prophet in exactly the sense that we're discussing here, a special representative of God, which doesn't exist in the New Covenant. "Call no man on earth your father" is something you seem to ignore, that in Christ all are equal and nobody's special except in the sense we all are "called out of darkness and into his marvelous light."

I do suspect you are Mormon. They are unique in insisting that the age of prophets still endures to this day.

That's because we believe the new testament and don't conveniently ignore it to try to explain away why God isn't communicating with our church. Precisely because He still is.

So you think that only Mormons believe that God still speaks to his church today?

 

[Avatar4321]

I don't understand how it is given more weight than other religious texts from other religions.

thank God it is since the Bible is the basis of Western Civilization without which you would have Hitler Stalin Mao and ISIS.

Do you understand?

The Bible was the basis for monarchs in Europe to claim absolute authority as their divine right.

Who decided God was wrong about that?

NYC shows up again to prove what an ignoramus he is.

The Bible was the justification for LIMITING the absolute authority of the monarchy, and the eventual establishment of democracy.

But that's okay. Nobody expects more from you.

This is closer to the truth. In England, the ecclesiastical and civil states had essentially become one and the same, even rejecting the Pope so the King could head the church. Everyone was taxed to pay tribute to the church, and dissent from Anglicanism could be considered as much treason as it was heresy.

The monarchs did not base their behavior on biblical precepts. Their demands were entirely arbitrary.

A few brave souls did end up dissenting, however, some migrating to the New World in order to recover the pure and unencumbered church of Jesus Christ and His apostles. For a century and a half, the Calvinism of the Puritans proved a lasting and powerful force in America, being present even at its founding and at the creation of its limited government.

And the dissent happened long before the voyage to the New World. The Catholics in Ireland and Scotland stubbornly refused to submit to the Anglican "church", and such obstinate defiance was the cause of massive persecution. Christians of all stripes were oppressed by Satan's "church" (who by the way were the first to call themselves "protestants") and that war continued well into the 20th century, with Anglicans exerting control of government to continue to oppress Catholics which is why there were such strong and sometimes even violent contentions until the 1980's.

But Christ said he will build his Church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it, and this is just one of many examples where the forces of Satan prevailed not against the people of God.

Problem with the gates of hell/hades/death reference is if you are worried about the gate prevailing over you, it requires you to be dead first.

Why? Because gates are designed to do two things. Keep people in or keep people out.

So let's think about this logically. If isChrist promising that the church will prevail over the gates of Hades/death than either the gate won't stop the church from dying, which makes no sense. Or He is promising that though the Church will die, death will not prevail over it and it will rise again.

The Church of Jesus Christ is a type of Christ. It symbolically represents the body of Christ. Like Christ, His body was to be rejected and broken up and rise in glory.

Peter called this the restitution of all things. Paul prophecied that in the dispensation of the fullness of times that the Lord would restore all things into one. Truth would be gathered together in one body. And Israel would be gathered ultimately into one.

The Lord's work in the last days is one of the most talked about events in scripture, and yet it's ignore by most of the world.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

That's because we believe the new testament and don't conveniently ignore it to try to explain away why God isn't communicating with our church. Precisely because He still is.

Out of curiousity, do you/does LDS believe God only communicates with LDS?

 

[Avatar4321]

And yet their were still prophets in the new testament church after Christs assension. And you are still ignoring pauls statements that we are to have apostles and prophets until we come to a unity of faith.

if you haven't noticed, we don't have unity.

even John prophesied of two prophets defending Jerusalem in the last days right before Christ returns. To say that prophets have ceased is to ignore the new testament.

ill share a secret with you. The Lord is calling us all to be prophets. Moses wanted all of Israel to be prophets. In fact, we are all expected to seek out the spirit of prophecy. We are to learn to receive revelation for ourselves in our own lives.

the age of prophets hasn't ended. It's just about to become a golden age for prophets.

This doesn't actually help your argument because you haven't refuted the point that the age of prophets is fulfilled in Christ as clearly indicated in the first two verses of Hebrews. You just did a word search on prophets without any real understanding of the role they play, or as the case may be, don't play in the New Covenant.

The only point you come close on is the Lord calling us all to be prophets if it's understood that it's a gift for everyone. A prophet of the Old Testament represented God to the people, but today we are all part of a "royal priesthood" as stated in the epistle of St. Peter. Moses expressed a desire that all the people be prophets, something I alluded to but you seemed to miss. God wanted to interact directly with his people, but his people rejected his offer, preferring instead that Moses represent him.

In the case of the LDS church founder Joseph Smith, he called himself a prophet in exactly the sense that we're discussing here, a special representative of God, which doesn't exist in the New Covenant. "Call no man on earth your father" is something you seem to ignore, that in Christ all are equal and nobody's special except in the sense we all are "called out of darkness and into his marvelous light."

I do suspect you are Mormon. They are unique in insisting that the age of prophets still endures to this day.

That's because we believe the new testament and don't conveniently ignore it to try to explain away why God isn't communicating with our church. Precisely because He still is.

So you think that only Mormons believe that God still speaks to his church today?

No. They just don't know which Church is His.

Many of them have deluded themselves into thinking God no longer speaks at all. That the Bible is all there is and can be.

Many have convinced themselves there are no apostles or prophets, that they have been done away with despite the promises contrary. They ignore the scriptures and the Holy Spirit when they testify otherwise

But the beauty of all that is God still speaks to man. He calls apostles prophets and other offices of the church to minister to and perfect the saints. And you don't have to take my word for Tim listen for yourself. They are speaking today and tomorrow at conference that is broadcast throughout the world. You can hear a prophets voice yourself in less than an hour.

 

[Avatar4321]

That's because we believe the new testament and don't conveniently ignore it to try to explain away why God isn't communicating with our church. Precisely because He still is.

Out of curiousity, do you/does LDS believe God only communicates with LDS?

No. The spirit communicates all people inviting them to believe in Christ and come to the church.

But God doesn't force Himself on people. The Spirit cannot testify intuitive lied to yourself and told yourself God cannot speak. Well He can but you've hardened your heart against Him.